How rare is 15 > 50 ?

Pure Domination

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ok, this is not whining, this is a serious question. We all know there are many possibilies for the mods a weapon can have (hexed, under 50, over 50, always with neg. effects as long with the dmg %). I have to say, I farmed like a mofo for the last weeks and only found one (in numbers "1") weapon with 15>50 which was, oh well, a hammer :/ I gained ~3.2 million exp in this time but not even a sword with acceptable stats (most are 11% (hexed) or such a crap or just donĀ“t even have extra dmg :P). So I wonder how rare these 15>50 really are ? Is there some kind of statistic so maybe every 100th gold swod has a perfect dmg mod ?

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

can't give you any real numbers, but i rough guess on how many gold weapons i've had as drops so far would be around 100-150, 2 of them had 15>50. judging from own experience, the higher the lvl of the monster that drops the gold, the better the dmg mod will be ...

Starsky-sama

Starsky-sama

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Land of the Z Chest \o/

[NOT]-Nomads of Turmoil.

W/

/luck.

most ppl are happy to use the collector's w/ +15%dmg(hp>50%).

* I would say maybe every 1 mil. sword is a +15%dmg(hp>50%), but again, some ppl probably have gotten one of these in consecutive runs (farm/missions/etc...).

* same w/ +15%dmg (constant)

/me thinks it's random luck/chance.

(If someone ever finds out the "average". plz do not hesistate to share it.lol)

-cheers.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Starsky-sama
most ppl are happy to use the collector's w/ +15%dmg(hp>50%).

* I would say maybe every 1 mil. sword is a +15%dmg(hp>50%), but again, some ppl probably have gotten one of these in consecutive runs (farm/missions/etc...).

* same w/ +15%dmg (constant)

/me thinks it's random luck/chance.

(If someone ever finds out the "average". plz do not hesistate to share it.lol)

-cheers.
As far as I remember collector only has 15 in stance or enchanted.

I have only found one 15>50 item, and it was a 8 req. Flamberge, so I am using it because I will never be able to purchase one if I had not found one.

If it were up to me, I'd use 15>50 instead of 15 always. Why? 15% always has the -10 armor while attacking, -5 energy, or -1 energy regen modifier.
If you get a 15% always with no such modifiers, never sell it because it is one in a lifetime and is priceless (not even 500 million should lue you to sell it because you won't find another one like it).

I have found plenty of 10-13 over 50 items, however. That includes a longsword 13 over 50, but it is not max damage

EDIT: Your best bet is to go in southern shiverpeaks, fire island chain,or the Underworld or Fissure. That is where the best items drop, for some reason.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

i like 15% while enchanted, because i'd never be able to afford 15>50, and also, as a w/mo, I just keep Mending on at all times anyway, so its just as good as 15>50

rabwatt

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/Me

Ive got 2.4mill exp and I only found one 15%>50 and it wasn't even max damage!!!!!!
Found 2 14%>50 though

Elythor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

Elysium Protectorate [EP]

Buy a +14%>50 and be happy. Do you seriously think extra 1% dmg amounts to anything?

Max hammer:
+15% -> 35 * 1.15 = 40.25
+14% -> 35 * 1.14 = 39.9

Max Axe:
+15% -> 28 * 1.15 = 32.2
+14% -> 28 * 1.14 = 31.92

Max Sword:
+15% -> 22 * 1.15 = 25.3
+14% -> 22 * 1.14 = 25.08

Statistically +15% makes no difference compared to +14%. So why pay the extra 50k for it??

Sciros Darkblade

Sciros Darkblade

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio

Archons Ascendant [Arch] - Leader

W/

Elythor what are you doing? Do not release top-secret information! I must continue to make $$$ off playing the 15>50 market!

Xonic

Xonic

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/Me

I like 15 if in stance. my warrior is in some sort of stance usually.

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

only find 2 14%>50%

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elythor
Buy a +14%>50 and be happy. Do you seriously think extra 1% dmg amounts to anything?

Max hammer:
+15% -> 35 * 1.15 = 40.25
+14% -> 35 * 1.14 = 39.9

Max Axe:
+15% -> 28 * 1.15 = 32.2
+14% -> 28 * 1.14 = 31.92

Max Sword:
+15% -> 22 * 1.15 = 25.3
+14% -> 22 * 1.14 = 25.08
People Ebay gold. lol
Oh no, the fraction of a point of damage makes such a big difference.

Just to prove how insane people are...There was a warrior ingame that told me he had 400 armor and that his sundering forked sword (no clue what the percent was) is better than a 3/1 vampiric. I argued with him about how armor doesn't stack...How he can get to fissure I do not know. He then proceeded to say that sundering ignores 10% of armor, and said that he woudl do double damage to people with 400 armor since 360 armor takes double damage compared to 400. Cruel world.

Anyway, the point is people are dumb, they don't have anything better ot do than ebay gold and farm for hours to get their 10/10 sundering fellblades of +30Hp fortitude for hundreds of thousands of gold or w/e it costs.

Offtopic: I am looking for a Long sword 13-15 over 50% health with 10 req or less (clean or with crap mods, no sundering/fortitude because I want to find my own mods to put on). Will pay a decent amount.

Raumoheru

Raumoheru

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
As far as I remember collector only has 15 in stance or enchanted.

I have only found one 15>50 item, and it was a 8 req. Flamberge, so I am using it because I will never be able to purchase one if I had not found one.

If it were up to me, I'd use 15>50 instead of 15 always. Why? 15% always has the -10 armor while attacking, -5 energy, or -1 energy regen modifier.
If you get a 15% always with no such modifiers, never sell it because it is one in a lifetime and is priceless (not even 500 million should lue you to sell it because you won't find another one like it).

I have found plenty of 10-13 over 50 items, however. That includes a longsword 13 over 50, but it is not max damage

EDIT: Your best bet is to go in southern shiverpeaks, fire island chain,or the Underworld or Fissure. That is where the best items drop, for some reason.
maybe the best items drop there because they are the higher level, harder to fight in areas.

LiQuId StEeL

LiQuId StEeL

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

/u/liquidsteel30

Ego Trip From Rank [ZERO]

W/Mo

I have gotten probably 300 golds (max dmg... i have good luck finding them, but always get pruning). Total 15>50's are 3 bows, 1 sword, one axe and 3 hammers. I seem to always get 15 enchant (and am damn happy to get it)

zehly

zehly

Sunshine

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Wired

Daughters of Ananke

Mo/E

I'm with Elythor on this topic. The only time I love 15>50 is when I find it on a gold item... then I know I've got some money comin my way.

Eternal Equinox

Eternal Equinox

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Manhattan, New York

lolumad

E/A

Meh, in my 1000+ hours of playing this game i've only found about 3 15>50 items. But i do get alot of 14,15>50 while hexed,enchanted and stuff like that.

So i'd say 15>50 items are pretty rare.

Zrave

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

I've gotten a few thousand rares, but I didn't keep any detailed records. Here are my estimates, assume large error margins :P

16% Health Above 50%
16% Health Below 50%
16% Vs Hexed Foes
16% Enchanted
16% Hexed
16% In Stance
1.5% -5 energy
1.5% -10 Armor While Attacking
0.5% -1 Health Regen
0.5% -1 Energy Regen

Of the 16% Health Above, I estimate the distribution to be:

2/16 - 15%
6/16 - 14%
6/16 - 13%
2/16 - 12%

The mod chance seems to be irrelevant of requirement and weapon damage. Hope that's useful.