Well, I for one am in the market for a new game. Please don't start singing now that I am pissed off about some particular nerf. I think the fact that there are skill nerfs altogether poses a problem because I put in an effort to acquire--possibly even buy with gold and a skill point--a certain skill ... and let's face it, I don't accept the dealer to steal a car I test-drove and purchased to replace it with a tricycle.
I am not going into this whole discussion as to what constitutes balanced gameplay, every participant in this discussion defines balance on the basis of personal playing preference, regardless of the suggested reasons.
The reasons that were given for the nerfing--encouraging players to PvP, play in teams etc.--may be well intentioned, however, it can also be seen as a lack of flexibility to let players enjoy this world the way they see fit ... and for me, that is just not good enough.
PS: Considering the amount of graphics errors this program causes on a number of my PCs, I find it amusing that Anet has the time to play with the skills while their product keeps crashing out.
New update!!!
Jessy
Sinbios
It just occured to me that this will signify a disruption in the balance of power between the regions, too. America has the most farmers, since American has favour most of the time. Now take all those people who used to be farmers, and toss them into the pvp pool. And face it, once somebody's been through UW hundreds of times, they're a lot calmer in a mess of 20 bodies. Will this mean further dominace of pvp by America?
AeroLion
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the nerf to hex breaker does nothing, dont worry.
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Russell.Crowe
I won't heal any of you anyway, so eh =). Also, just because they nerfed protective bond, doesn't mean there aren't other ways to solo UW. Not all builds are public, this includes mine.
2_fingers
Its interesting to see the varied responses here
Mine would be a mixed reaction. Firstly being that the nerfing will cause a shortage of monks. Back then, there was an incentive to create a monk for pve - so that u can eventually do smite runs etc. Now, the only incentive i see is u create a monk to get yelled at, abused for not having 99999 energy, instant 1000 life heal, 1/2 sec resurrection/rebirth or not healing someone because u were being disrupted/attacked/energy drained etc. Oh wait... that isnt an incentive. People are going to stop creating monks - frankly healing someone is not as fun as dishing damage. Coupled with the insults and abuse we going to look at a serious fall in the number of monks.
2ndly, the only good thing i can think off is this: we probably wont see a billion monks running off into twin serpant lakes or emberlight. Botters would be the hardest hit imo. But i doubt that would stop them for long. These guys probably would figure out a way to bot despite the patch.
This is what i think about the 105 nerf.
Mine would be a mixed reaction. Firstly being that the nerfing will cause a shortage of monks. Back then, there was an incentive to create a monk for pve - so that u can eventually do smite runs etc. Now, the only incentive i see is u create a monk to get yelled at, abused for not having 99999 energy, instant 1000 life heal, 1/2 sec resurrection/rebirth or not healing someone because u were being disrupted/attacked/energy drained etc. Oh wait... that isnt an incentive. People are going to stop creating monks - frankly healing someone is not as fun as dishing damage. Coupled with the insults and abuse we going to look at a serious fall in the number of monks.
2ndly, the only good thing i can think off is this: we probably wont see a billion monks running off into twin serpant lakes or emberlight. Botters would be the hardest hit imo. But i doubt that would stop them for long. These guys probably would figure out a way to bot despite the patch.
This is what i think about the 105 nerf.
Maiyn
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The invicimonk needed to be nerfed and everyone knows it. No other class can solo with such effeciency and ease.
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The invicimonk needed to be nerfed and everyone knows it. No other class can solo the underworld with such effeciency and ease.
Other classes are much better at soloing than the monk was in my opinion. I will be going back to my W/Mo build now
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Now, the only incentive i see is u create a monk to get yelled at, abused for not having 99999 energy, instant 1000 life heal, 1/2 sec resurrection/rebirth or not healing someone because u were being disrupted/attacked/energy drained etc. Oh wait... that isnt an incentive.
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id0l
I'm a bit disappointed with the protective bond nerfing...but definatly not as much as the healing seed nerf. Why did they have to mess with this...
And why so many changes to every class but Warrior? Maybe I should keep my mouth shut...they might nerf them too.
Meteor = 5e...I don't even get that.
Distracting shot is even faster now. But they made crippling shot near useless (IMO). 8 second cripple is pretty lame for a 15e skill. Wow, they lowered the recharge to 1 second...lol, it can be spammed twice (for most rangers)! Huzzah!
Thank god no more spirit spam...that's all I gotta say about that...shouldn't be able to "overlap" spirits anyway - in both respects. Can you double up on healing breeze? I think not... ;P
I cannot comment on the Nec nerfs, I don't have enough experience with them. Same for mes...
And why so many changes to every class but Warrior? Maybe I should keep my mouth shut...they might nerf them too.
Meteor = 5e...I don't even get that.
Distracting shot is even faster now.
But they made crippling shot near useless (IMO). 8 second cripple is pretty lame for a 15e skill. Wow, they lowered the recharge to 1 second...lol, it can be spammed twice (for most rangers)! Huzzah!Thank god no more spirit spam...that's all I gotta say about that...shouldn't be able to "overlap" spirits anyway - in both respects. Can you double up on healing breeze? I think not... ;P
I cannot comment on the Nec nerfs, I don't have enough experience with them. Same for mes...
Sandman Uk
LOL Its a great update.
All you greedy Uw solo farmers are crying because you now cant make your millions. Giving us who play the game properly a chance to bid for weapons in auctions without being outpriced by a Monk who has 1 Million in Plat and thinks nothing of paying 400 plat for a weapon.
Stop crying and get on with it ya greedy monkeys.
As a Necro/Ranger Its made my build a little stronger in PVE
All you greedy Uw solo farmers are crying because you now cant make your millions. Giving us who play the game properly a chance to bid for weapons in auctions without being outpriced by a Monk who has 1 Million in Plat and thinks nothing of paying 400 plat for a weapon.
Stop crying and get on with it ya greedy monkeys.
As a Necro/Ranger Its made my build a little stronger in PVE
Eet GnomeSmasher
I love how some people can heartily and gleefully applaud some nerfs, and then turn around and cry about how unjust another nerf was because it affected them.
AeroLion
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The invicimonk needed to be nerfed and everyone knows it. No other class can solo the underworld with such effeciency and ease.
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Kishin
Some nice work here. No Enchantment Removal buffs though, that's a problem.
Sinbios
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LOL Its a great update.
All you greedy Uw solo farmers are crying because you now cant make your millions. Giving us who play the game properly a chance to bid for weapons in auctions without being outpriced by a Monk who has 1 Million in Plat and thinks nothing of paying 400 plat for a weapon. Stop crying and get on with it ya greedy monkeys. As a Necro/Ranger Its made my build a little stronger in PVE |
Vwoss
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LOL Its a great update.
All you greedy Uw solo farmers are crying because you now cant make your millions. Giving us who play the game properly a chance to bid for weapons in auctions without being outpriced by a Monk who has 1 Million in Plat and thinks nothing of paying 400 plat for a weapon. Stop crying and get on with it ya greedy monkeys. As a Necro/Ranger Its made my build a little stronger in PVE |
Dac Vin
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Er, thing is, a monk still can. It just goes slightly slower now.
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Russell.Crowe
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LOL Its a great update.
All you greedy Uw solo farmers are crying because you now cant make your millions. Giving us who play the game properly a chance to bid for weapons in auctions without being outpriced by a Monk who has 1 Million in Plat and thinks nothing of paying 400 plat for a weapon. Stop crying and get on with it ya greedy monkeys. As a Necro/Ranger Its made my build a little stronger in PVE |
Lady Ting
Lets all send death threats to anet its our only chance >:| !
Savio
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I am not going into this whole discussion as to what constitutes balanced gameplay, every participant in this discussion defines balance on the basis of personal playing preference, regardless of the suggested reasons.
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Firstly being that the nerfing will cause a shortage of monks.
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AeroLion
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Note the "with such efficiency and ease" part. Maybe they still can, but now that prot bond got nerfed, it's not quite easy
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Note the "slightly" portion of my post. It still is quite easy.
Sandman Uk
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See? Petty jealousy. Doesn't matter if it f*cks up the economy, as long as the GREEDY get screwed.
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Greedy is as Greedy does
All you that threaten to leave the game will go for a max two weeks then you will be back because its such a great game. You just all fell into the Greedy trap and seen an easy way to make millions.
Im not jelouse else I would have gone out and built a 105/55 build and done it myself.
Stop moaning
/Applauds Isaiah Cartwright and the Anet team for having the balls to make such a big change
ratatass
Freaking awesome changes.!!!
Freaking nnnnnobs complaining already. Hey you guys sucked anyway. You should be put out of your misery.
This is a good change.I really look forward to this again. Can't wait to play!
Good Job Gaile and Company!
Man, am I gonna have some fun!
Ratatass
Freaking nnnnnobs complaining already. Hey you guys sucked anyway. You should be put out of your misery.
This is a good change.I really look forward to this again. Can't wait to play!
Good Job Gaile and Company!
Man, am I gonna have some fun!
Ratatass
Kakumei
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Lets all send death threats to anet its our only chance >:| !
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lg5000
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LOL Its a great update.
All you greedy Uw solo farmers are crying because you now cant make your millions. Giving us who play the game properly a chance to bid for weapons in auctions without being outpriced by a Monk who has 1 Million in Plat and thinks nothing of paying 400 plat for a weapon. Stop crying and get on with it ya greedy monkeys. As a Necro/Ranger Its made my build a little stronger in PVE |
And why do I get the feeling that gw is trying to push people towards pvp and away from pve?
TheCrusader
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It is somewhat unfortunate that people like myself (who don't farm, but have a primary healer) are affected by the nerfs too.. but you just believe what you want to believe, I'm sure as hell not gonna stand in your way.
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Maybe because PvP is the strong point of this game?
PieXags
I don't really give a shit about PvP, especially faction, but I agree with all the changes they made to the skills, finally spirit spamming is ****ed, no more unskilled players just spamming their skillbar! Also except for putrid explosion, they made my primary character...a necromancer, even stronger, and in good ways too, now there's more reason to be a primary necromancer to boost up some of those skills.
A good update overall, IMO.
But I want my GODDAMN 15k TORMENTOR'S SET, why the HELL hasn't it been released yet?! It's the only one left!
A good update overall, IMO.
But I want my GODDAMN 15k TORMENTOR'S SET, why the HELL hasn't it been released yet?! It's the only one left!
Sinbios
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Maybe because PvP is the strong point of this game?
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Ultimate_Gaara
I love you Anet, your the greatest... meteor is only 5 energy now so my monk can finaly defend himself in PvP more than he use to, happy days. 
I like to keep the AOL speak to myself but i just can't hold it in, ROFL on "invin" monks. LMAO to SS.. thank you for your time
ps: none of this effects me in a negative way so im happy...
I like to keep the AOL speak to myself but i just can't hold it in, ROFL on "invin" monks. LMAO to SS.. thank you for your time
ps: none of this effects me in a negative way so im happy...
Divine Elemental
WOOTAGE!
My Monk Got Owned....
finally no more idiot mo/w's
ok time to switch back to mo/me
My Monk Got Owned....
finally no more idiot mo/w's
ok time to switch back to mo/me
zidane888
A better way to have "nerfed" would have been to make UW harder, perhaps adding hp degen enemies or something, not make a useful skill useless...my 2 cents
Sandman Uk
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It is somewhat unfortunate that people like myself (who don't farm, but have a primary healer) are affected by the nerfs too.. but you just believe what you want to believe, I'm sure as hell not gonna stand in your way.
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You can still heal its just hitting at the Greedy solo builds that want to reap all the rewards in Underworld to themselves.
Guild Wars = Team Wars Is about teamplay not solo building for Greed.
strungout
well overall the patch and skill changes weren't to bad for me... except putrid explode... i really hate the 5 second recharge i don't know why they slapped that on it. the need for a corpse holds it back enough IMHO
but oh well i'm gonna accept it and just replace it with a different skill
R.I.P. putrid explode, i shall miss you
i don't know why they slapped that on it. the need for a corpse holds it back enough IMHObut oh well i'm gonna accept it and just replace it with a different skill
R.I.P. putrid explode, i shall miss you
burai
So much negativity. I don't like some of the nerfs, but let's get a grip. The game is still fundamentally the same; they have just provided some balance to what were unbalanced skills. Whatever it is you think you have lost you will find again some other way. Isn’t this update simply going to refresh the challenge?
A slightly off-topic side question. This title underneath the userid in the posts – what does it represent? I had assumed that it had some significance to seniority and respect within the forums. I am apparently a ‘Quiet Traveller’, which sounds rather nice So what is a Councillor, Professor, etc.? Some of these sound rather high in the forum pecking order. But this can’t be the case, as it seems that some people with these titles (not all of you, before you all start flaming me) are rather immature, and just resort to abuse and bad language when someone says something that they disagree with.
Let's have a few more of these titles - like 'Potty Training', etc.
A slightly off-topic side question. This title underneath the userid in the posts – what does it represent? I had assumed that it had some significance to seniority and respect within the forums. I am apparently a ‘Quiet Traveller’, which sounds rather nice
Let's have a few more of these titles - like 'Potty Training', etc.
aron searle
WHAAAAAAAAAAA mummy
I got bored on about page 4 of the whing post of the year.
For those that are complaining half of you blatently havnt even played it since the update.
OMG theve ruined this game
no ive not played it yet BUT i assure you they have????????
Everyone new this was coming so dont winge you just bought 100k runes, you gambled and you lost.
Take this as an opertunity to creat YOUR OWN build and not a copy of the latest fad.
I got bored on about page 4 of the whing post of the year.
For those that are complaining half of you blatently havnt even played it since the update.
OMG theve ruined this game
no ive not played it yet BUT i assure you they have????????
Everyone new this was coming so dont winge you just bought 100k runes, you gambled and you lost.
Take this as an opertunity to creat YOUR OWN build and not a copy of the latest fad.
00039
the monks are still soloing UW...looks like mesmers are the only way to stop it
Divine Elemental
but man am i happy to know theres no more w/mo i meant mo/w who are idiots and think theyre all good
more u post the better sounding ur thinkg below ur name is
more u post the better sounding ur thinkg below ur name is
Ultimate_Gaara
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the monks are still soloing UW...looks like mesmers are the only way to stop it
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some necros would not hurt either...
Divine Elemental
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the monks are still soloing UW...looks like mesmers are the only way to stop it
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since prot bond was nerfed
how can they maintain enchants or atleast the energy management?
they have mending/protbond/essence bond?/bals spirit
lol
dude that would so kill them
only having 3-4 reg without watchful spirit?
Divine Elemental
Life is a gamble
u win some u lose some
although the sup runes in my armor hmmm *ARG!*
just gotta buy some sup vigs and yes
u win some u lose some
although the sup runes in my armor hmmm *ARG!*
just gotta buy some sup vigs and yes
Anomaly
It's still very easy to solo UW. I just tested it, I did a riverside run, a griffon run, and a UW run. None of which caused any problems.
People do realize that elementalist, warriors, and I believe necros have found ways to solo as well. Yet it's only the monk everyone is so angry about.
People do realize that elementalist, warriors, and I believe necros have found ways to solo as well. Yet it's only the monk everyone is so angry about.
m1970c
Good job imoa i am not one for farming and as the game title says "GUILD" wars not "solo farmers" wars !!
TheCrusader
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And why might that be?
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