I was just in a few tombs matches where the group leader insisted on calling but was going pretty slow with it. I kept confirming his calls after he would call a target and keep the T fresh.
The idiots in the group reading the text and then using their mouse to target were complaining that having two callers was confusing them.
Keep in mind here that I'm calling the same exact thing that the guy is, just keeping the call fresh.
Well, about the 5th match we played the leader was starting to catch on and calling in short spralls of 3-8s and then stoping for a good 45 seconds. Being that calls drop out of the T every time someone talks or after 10 seconds or so I was keeping it up by spamming whatever he called.
The guy just couldn't have it. Oh, noes! Some one is stealing my calling authority by backing me up!!11
Durring the 6th game I made one confirm call in the middle of 8. Instantly the Necromancer who was previously spam calling the Unworthy Warrior even before the Elementalist was dead shouts "SAGGIUS STOP CALLING".
I just pressed the "X". I'm tired of these little random pugs that think they are experts at the game just becuase they asenced.
Lots of idiots again
Sagius Truthbarron
trelloskilos
On the one hand, Sagius, I can't see any real problem with what you were doing. As far as I can tell, backing up the called target to keep it fresh is a reasonable thing to do.
On the other hand, you have to work with the team. OK, so the leader thinks he's the voice of God, or there are idiots who don't recognise what you are trying to do and that you're doing it with the best of intentions. If one person in the team is playing his preferred method and it is causing frustration amongst the other team members, it's usually good form to stop doing it.
On the other hand, you have to work with the team. OK, so the leader thinks he's the voice of God, or there are idiots who don't recognise what you are trying to do and that you're doing it with the best of intentions. If one person in the team is playing his preferred method and it is causing frustration amongst the other team members, it's usually good form to stop doing it.
DrSLUGFly
This is one of the reasons I'm glad I always call... I don't mind being an obedient team member, in fact, it's relaxing... but it seldom seems to work out. My advice is when you find a good caller, group with him/her for an evening and pay close attention then just start calling yourself. It's easy enough to leave and find a good group. After my first week of PvP I had more than enough people who would whisper me (often within seconds) after logging on to see if I was putting a team together. Now I have a team of regulars and when I do tombs there's usually not more than 3 people I don't recognize, and these are usually brought in through connections from the others. No more pick up groups.
nohooiam
it seems like ppl online have the shortest fuses and anything you do/say will set them off. best bet is to join some guild tomb groups, since ppl in those groups are more likely to have a simliar mindset.
Sofonisba
I hate to sound, well, I don't know, but Sagius, did you whisper the leader at all between these 5 matches? Just to say, "Refreshing the target you called" or something along those lines?
Subtlety--such as hoping the leader will take a hint and call more often--is usually lost in PvP...
Subtlety--such as hoping the leader will take a hint and call more often--is usually lost in PvP...
ayb
if the leader didnt realize what he was doing after 5 freaking matches, i dont think subtlety would do much good. this is the same type of noob that goes on a mission in pve and doesnt bring a res spell/signet.
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it seems like ppl online have the shortest fuses and anything you do/say will set them off. best bet is to join some guild tomb groups, since ppl in those groups are more likely to have a simliar mindset.
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Lol at Puddin :>
zehly
The only thing I don't like in seeing that there is more than one target on the P-list is that I'm not always sure if they are the same one, so I always try to have a designated caller, if not myself.
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I was just in a few tombs matches where the group leader insisted on calling but was going pretty slow with it. I kept confirming his calls after he would call a target and keep the T fresh.
The idiots in the group reading the text and then using their mouse to target were complaining that having two callers was confusing them. Keep in mind here that I'm calling the same exact thing that the guy is, just keeping the call fresh. Well, about the 5th match we played the leader was starting to catch on and calling in short spralls of 3-8s and then stoping for a good 45 seconds. Being that calls drop out of the T every time someone talks or after 10 seconds or so I was keeping it up by spamming whatever he called. The guy just couldn't have it. Oh, noes! Some one is stealing my calling authority by backing me up!!11 Durring the 6th game I made one confirm call in the middle of 8. Instantly the Necromancer who was previously spam calling the Unworthy Warrior even before the Elementalist was dead shouts "SAGGIUS STOP CALLING". I just pressed the "X". I'm tired of these little random pugs that think they are experts at the game just becuase they asenced. |
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smurfhunter
ive been in a group where multiple people called, and man is it annoying/confusing.
granted you may have been calling the same target but half way thru jamming the 1-8 buttons it is pretty depressing to go confirm the ridiculous name of the person that was called.
although i fully understand your good intentions, it may have been wiser to simply let him not call, and have everyone in the group realise the problem, and it would give you more grounds to call the next target.
but it is really usefull to work as a team, i was once in a group where we all chose separate targets; it was your job to know who to attack. so maybe if your team worked better that way, hey, dont fix it if it aint baroke.
and if you cant work like that, i applaud your decision. instead of being a nuisance to a team you can always find another that works better with you.
just my two cents
oh and communication is key - dont just go by the simple formula "monks, casters, warriors", have your monks talk to you. many times a monk will say "player (8) is eating my energy" so we all switch to him to help out our monks.
its what makes a team really a team and not just 8 players reluctantly thrown together
granted you may have been calling the same target but half way thru jamming the 1-8 buttons it is pretty depressing to go confirm the ridiculous name of the person that was called.
although i fully understand your good intentions, it may have been wiser to simply let him not call, and have everyone in the group realise the problem, and it would give you more grounds to call the next target.
but it is really usefull to work as a team, i was once in a group where we all chose separate targets; it was your job to know who to attack. so maybe if your team worked better that way, hey, dont fix it if it aint baroke.
and if you cant work like that, i applaud your decision. instead of being a nuisance to a team you can always find another that works better with you.
just my two cents
oh and communication is key - dont just go by the simple formula "monks, casters, warriors", have your monks talk to you. many times a monk will say "player (8) is eating my energy" so we all switch to him to help out our monks.
its what makes a team really a team and not just 8 players reluctantly thrown together
dansamy
I bite at calling, but I'm my guild's only spiker that will actually step up to the plate and count, which I don't see the need for counting anymore but whatever.
Sagius Truthbarron
It seems to me that the only person who would have a problem with it would be those who target and attack with their mouse.
Otherwise, if you just trusted the calls, you would only have to press T. Isn't trusting the calls the basis of a call respecting team anyway?
Otherwise, if you just trusted the calls, you would only have to press T. Isn't trusting the calls the basis of a call respecting team anyway?
zehly
LMFAO @ SOT.
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Myodato
I'm fully with the original poster. On a number of occassions previously I've had the situation where a target has been called but for whatever reason no target appears next to the callers name, and pressing t does nothing. In that situation, all you can do is scan through targets until you find the one that has been called. Once you're there it's a simple matter of an extra key stroke to re-call the target in case others have the same problem.
If you then find your team is too stupid to recognise what is going on, then who should be calling becomes a minor issue in your overall chances of success. I don't condone leaving just because people aren't perfect, but sometimes there really is no other choice.
If you then find your team is too stupid to recognise what is going on, then who should be calling becomes a minor issue in your overall chances of success. I don't condone leaving just because people aren't perfect, but sometimes there really is no other choice.
SOT
Personally, I have issues with some sod telling me what to do when they've never played at my side before, yes, at MY side. You see, I am not that person's grunt. My build was not made from farming, botting, hacking, or being 'run'. My build was made by ME, and the decisions that I made in making it so, not Captain Badass Ascended Plethora Of Overused Dark Gothic Naming Conventions.
I do what I want when I want, and I seem to make out fine on runs of consecutive wins. This of course speaks NOTHING of my flawless streaks, which would make those people weep with inane fury, because I am the "idiot" who manages to remain standing.
Curious.
I do what I want when I want, and I seem to make out fine on runs of consecutive wins. This of course speaks NOTHING of my flawless streaks, which would make those people weep with inane fury, because I am the "idiot" who manages to remain standing.
Curious.
Sagius Truthbarron
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Personally, I have issues with some sod telling me what to do when they've never played at my side before, yes, at MY side. You see, I am not that person's grunt. My build was not made from farming, botting, hacking, or being 'run'. My build was made by ME, and the decisions that I made in making it so, not Captain Badass Ascended Plethora Of Overused Dark Gothic Naming Conventions.
I do what I want when I want, and I seem to make out fine on runs of consecutive wins. This of course speaks NOTHING of my flawless streaks, which would make those people weep with inane fury, because I am the "idiot" who manages to remain standing. Curious. |
You're the only person in the universe who wasn't ran or hacked! They're all out to get you too!!!1
Sanji
I don't care what side you're on in the "You're supposed to do it like this"/"Shut up, I do what I want! I stay up past my bedtime!" arguments, my way or the highway attitudes suck in PvP and make for terrible group members.
Someone who is flexible and having a thicker skin than your average hothead is better than someone who is more knowledgeable or self-confidence but prone to invalidate his usefulness by virtue of his ego.
Someone who is flexible and having a thicker skin than your average hothead is better than someone who is more knowledgeable or self-confidence but prone to invalidate his usefulness by virtue of his ego.
Racthoh
If it was working with the backup calls, keep doing it. As long as it was the same target fine by me.
zehly
Your statement of
in terms of
is a contradiction in and of itself. Regardless.
The idea that you've invested so much time into your character and that it is yours is certainly a compelling reason to feel as though another player ordering you around is an intrusion into your space. You have three options:
(1) Leave the match,
(2) Do what he says, be compliant, and when you lose, you can blame it on him;
(3) Don't do what he says, and when you lose, he can blame it on you.
@SOT
My naming convention is after Anime characters I've dreamed up...
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The idea that you've invested so much time into your character and that it is yours is certainly a compelling reason to feel as though another player ordering you around is an intrusion into your space. You have three options:
(1) Leave the match,
(2) Do what he says, be compliant, and when you lose, you can blame it on him;
(3) Don't do what he says, and when you lose, he can blame it on you.
@SOT
My naming convention is after Anime characters I've dreamed up...
Sanji
It isn't a contradiction whatsoever. I didn't say I was indifferent to the issue nor do I enforce my way of playing on someone else as much as making an observation that random groups are equally ruined by control freaks and people who have their own special brand of common sense.
Silmor
I love it when people claim their God incarnate in groups and consider the fact that they were the last man standing to be a sign of skill and good build. Staying alive is only one side of the coin - there's also an enemy team to kill, and if your team fails at that, you fail along with the group. Not to mention that a warrior stacked with protection and healing can certainly survive a long time, and will quite likely be the last man standing on his team, but that's mostly because he'll simply be ignored for not being any threat to the opposition. Once all the real dangers are eliminated, they'll take out the trash.
SOT
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Yes, always remember that the warrior is always the primary damage dealer in a party!
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if the leader didnt realize what he was doing after 5 freaking matches, i dont think subtlety would do much good. this is the same type of noob that goes on a mission in pve and doesnt bring a res spell/signet.
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It isn't a contradiction whatsoever. I didn't say I was indifferent to the issue nor do I enforce my way of playing on someone else as much as making an observation that random groups are equally ruined by control freaks and people who have their own special brand of common sense.
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I love it when people claim their God incarnate in groups and consider the fact that they were the last man standing to be a sign of skill and good build. Staying alive is only one side of the coin - there's also an enemy team to kill, and if your team fails at that, you fail along with the group. Not to mention that a warrior stacked with protection and healing can certainly survive a long time, and will quite likely be the last man standing on his team, but that's mostly because he'll simply be ignored for not being any threat to the opposition. Once all the real dangers are eliminated, they'll take out the trash.
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What they did to you might have been wrong, but your response ended up being worse.
SOT
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This wasn't your first match with them. If you didn't like something you could have left in-between matches but from your post it sounds like you left right in the middle. It wasn't like they were a gimp team either - you probably cost them the round/streak.
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Was that a rimshot at me? LOL. If so, goody goody. Even though you couldn't possibly be referring to me, because I have no runes on my armor. Curios. This thread is filled with curiosity.
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I posted it because your attitude reminds me of those players: the players that think that teamwork consists of four/eight players solo'ing to the best of their ability without a shred of consideration what their teammates are up to. Target calling is there for a good reason: to focus fire, to mark one opponent a priority target to take down as soon as possible. Not everyone will call decent targets, but they're not 'telling you what to do', they're attempting to work as a team. It is mostly still better to follow a bad target call than to ignore it, because if everyone does whatever they like, typically none of the opponents are going to be dying.
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sorry that took so long for me to type - I just thought I may get this across. TELL THEM WHAT YOUR DOING! 5 seconds to type "I'm keepin the initial call fresh!" shouldn't be that hard...
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sorry that took so long for me to type - I just thought I may get this across. TELL THEM WHAT YOUR DOING! 5 seconds to type "I'm keepin the initial call fresh!" shouldn't be that hard...