http://forums.gwonline.net/showthrea...5&page=1&pp=10
apparently the Invincimonk still lives.
or so it is said.
have they secretly nerfed the 105/55 build
JMadisonIV
Cobalt
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Originally Posted by noblepaladin
with the healing hands buff expect warrior monks to be much stronger farmers now
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May all you who would cheer the solo Monks demise have to wait for hours to get a single monk in your group and may your heaps of gold be reduced to nothing with the inevitable sky rocketing prices the Monks demise will bring!
JMadisonIV
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Originally Posted by Cobalt
May all you who would cheer the solo Monks demise have to wait for hours to get a single monk in your group |
because 85% of Monks are solo invincimonks, and as such, are unwilling to join a group in PvE.
the other day in Ring of Fire I spent almost an hour trying to get a single monk for my group. after an hour, 5 monks who had been there the entire time started having a conversation over Local chat about their a solo builds and why they will never join groups.
BierStark
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Originally Posted by coolsti
Hurray for Anet! Stop the "loopholes" and make people play this game properly!
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BTW, I'm NOT a solo'ing monk, I just don't CARE that other people were doing this...
ayb
all the time when i join a group with my monk/ranger im asked "are you healing?" that should be a given. when i say "yes i am all healing and beast mastery" it's like i've just announced there will be two christmases this year.
Robos Stavanis
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Originally Posted by FatherNurgle
"Power gamers who spend 4-5 hours (and more) a day will farm no matter what. For them, it is an addiction.
And I do think it is silly for Anet to change the game because of a pretty creative build. However, because so many copied the build it created unwanted wrinkles to the game including: a huge gap between the have and have-nots, the economy (specifically rune prices, ectos, shards), and allowing bots to farm a new area because of the build, not the ease of getting to chests, good dropping mobs, etc. Because of these undesired effects the build had to be nerfed." This guy has no clue. It was the smiters solo that began to lower prices of items. They get so many items they sell em off cheaper and cheaper. They kept the prices of ecto down! Smiters did not spend the gold, often they are saving up for fissure armor... LIKE ME! and then the build is nerfed. Farming is possible, just not as good as it was, and now takes 10 times longer. Anyone who says yea! Your we ta did! Build your own damn monk and go smite! Don't hate because you never saved that much gold to buy those freaking runes! W/in 10 minutes of the new patch, merchants were out of ecto and the price went upto the cap of 11k. Ppl were offering it for 50k. ANET your a bunch of idiots. Stop looking for shit that is not broke. You made some skills now almost worthless! |
Mormegil
Nah, let the idiots think the invinci monk build is dead.
No one will bother us again, and while most of the mediocre farmers who bashed and bash on the solo monk build will keep getting their crappy drops while we're full of ectos.
Not to mention, now we'll rob the shit out of you, because ectos' prices will reach the stars.
No one will bother us again, and while most of the mediocre farmers who bashed and bash on the solo monk build will keep getting their crappy drops while we're full of ectos.
Not to mention, now we'll rob the shit out of you, because ectos' prices will reach the stars.
JMadisonIV
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Originally Posted by ayb
all the time when i join a group with my monk/ranger im asked "are you healing?" that should be a given.
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it is very rare that I come across a monk primary that is a dedicated healer, regardless of what their secondary. and when I do, I count my blessings.
I've resorted to taking secondary monks, and asking them if they are willing play to their secondary, as opposed to standing around for an hour spamming local chat looking for a Healer, only to pick up a Monk primary and watching him start smiting without regard to the rest of the group, as soon as we get into the mission/quest zone, when we all expected him to be a healer.
so now, I always ask. that way at least I know in advance that he won't heal, and I can look for an additional healer.
Charcoal Ann
look up big jim beef if you need a healer. i am happy about this update... maybe i can buy some runes now.........
nailz
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Originally Posted by JMadisonIV
not necessarily, with the mindstate of the playerbase at this moment.
it is very rare that I come across a monk primary that is a dedicated healer, regardless of what their secondary. and when I do, I count my blessings. I've resorted to taking secondary monks, and asking them if they are willing play to their secondary, as opposed to standing around for an hour spamming local chat looking for a Healer, only to pick up a Monk primary and watching him start smiting without regard to the rest of the group, as soon as we get into the mission/quest zone, when we all expected him to be a healer. so now, I always ask. that way at least I know in advance that he won't heal, and I can look for an additional healer. |
why don't you just learn how to play the game without a healer....it IS possible you know...it just requires that you don't play like a moron. Don't blame the monks because you can't find a good PUG...it's not the monks fault you haven't figured out that every class can heal itself.
Sanji
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Originally Posted by Mormegil
Nah, let the idiots think the invinci monk build is dead.
No one will bother us again, and while most of the mediocre farmers who bashed and bash on the solo monk build will keep getting their crappy drops while we're full of ectos. Not to mention, now we'll rob the shit out of you, because ectos' prices will reach the stars. |
Elistan Theocrat
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Originally Posted by kuji
yes it dose almost inpossable u dont get any were near enuff enargy back full stop only way u can is with benoffiis defence areana net blow me!
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Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions
Gaile Gray - "We have nothing against an honest farmer."
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Yes, I rather agree with you, it IS a nice way of proving they have nothing against an honest farmor and are interested in maintaining balance within the game. Very nice.
EAT U ALIVE
anet are dicks its nothing illegal against the game so why nerf it?
it was just a great build... i was working on my uw/solo monk.. so i deleted my trapper to make room for him.. now that they nerfed.. i cant trap any more so thanks alot anet
god thats so stupid. i hate how they do that its just ways of farming and its not cheating.. bullcrap
it was just a great build... i was working on my uw/solo monk.. so i deleted my trapper to make room for him.. now that they nerfed.. i cant trap any more so thanks alot anet
god thats so stupid. i hate how they do that its just ways of farming and its not cheating.. bullcrap
Sanji
You are playing the wrong game if you want to farm.
Severe
UW farming is still alive and well, already 2 ecto this morning 
"Not to mention, now we'll rob the shit out of you, because ectos' prices will reach the stars"--Mormegil
Amen Brother.
"Not to mention, now we'll rob the shit out of you, because ectos' prices will reach the stars"--Mormegil
Amen Brother.
noblepaladin
Actually since level 17 protective bond is no longer the best skill for farming... I have a feeling that we will be seeing some 55hp farmers of different primary classes because the new UW monk farmers don't use level 17 bond. Elementalists come to mind, but I think I maybe be able to pull it off really well with a Mesmer, the class that seems to never get a good farming build.
nailz
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Originally Posted by Sanji
You are playing the wrong game if you want to farm.
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I farm because I don't want to complete the game for a 5th time...and I know that if I stop playing and pick up a different game I'll just never come back. So I picked up farming for the last couple weeks waiting on the summer update so I atleast get a chance to check that out. I'm sure there are others in the same situation...please don't tell people how they should or shouldn't play the game...thats the most pompous, pretentious thing you could possibly do.
noblepalladin: there is a VERY good farming build for Me/* and */Me.
Arton
Lol, I can still solo UW and I got 3 ectos in one run. Did they decide to increase the drops since they nerfed protective bond? I hope so
cat1982
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Originally Posted by Arton
Lol, I can still solo UW and I got 3 ectos in one run. Did they decide to increase the drops since they nerfed protective bond? I hope so
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Sanji
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Originally Posted by nailz
I farm because I don't want to complete the game for a 5th time...and I know that if I stop playing and pick up a different game I'll just never come back. So I picked up farming for the last couple weeks waiting on the summer update so I atleast get a chance to check that out. I'm sure there are others in the same situation...please don't tell people how they should or shouldn't play the game...thats the most pompous, pretentious thing you could possibly do.
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What I said is that if you wish to not only farm, but farm in Guild Wars, you are in for some disappointment. Take my advice or leave it, but don't put words in my mouth or insult me because you are too stubborn to get a game that can actually satiate your desire to beat up monsters for their stuff.
nailz
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Originally Posted by Sanji
I didn't tell you to do a damn thing, jack. I definately did not tell anbody how to play Guild Wars.
What I said is that if you wish to not only farm, but farm in Guild Wars, you are in for some disappointment. Take my advice or leave it, but don't put words in my mouth or insult me because you are too stubborn to get a game that can actually satiate your desire to beat up monsters for their stuff. |
do the words just come out of your mouth(or to your keyboard for this instance) or do they actually go through a thought process first?
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Nikita Firestorm
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Originally Posted by nailz
I farm because I don't want to complete the game for a 5th time...and I know that if I stop playing and pick up a different game I'll just never come back. So I picked up farming for the last couple weeks waiting on the summer update so I atleast get a chance to check that out. I'm sure there are others in the same situation...please don't tell people how they should or shouldn't play the game...thats the most pompous, pretentious thing you could possibly do.
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UW isn't ment to be (partly) done by 1 player, it's for groups of players who finished the game, and want to spend their time by farming ecto's for armour, or xp for skillpoints.
(You know, a group of people from your guild, whom you know, so you can't use that stupid "omfg all pugs are n00bz" argument.)
Sanji
"You are playing the wrong game if you want to farm" is an observation, not an order.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have better things to do like playing Guild Wars than talking to someone who is clearly illiterate and spoiling for a fight because he's a little cranky about investing so much time in the wrong game.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have better things to do like playing Guild Wars than talking to someone who is clearly illiterate and spoiling for a fight because he's a little cranky about investing so much time in the wrong game.
Mithie
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Originally Posted by nailz
that's pretty freaking pretentious....Jack |
He's not telling you NOT to farm, he's telling you that if you enjoy farming, then you should look to other games which would give you more enjoyment.
nailz
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Originally Posted by Nikita Firestorm
I hope they nerfed the monk 105/55 build to make it impossible, and let that be a lesson to all of the solo farmers:
UW isn't ment to be (partly) done by 1 player, it's for groups of players who finished the game, and want to spend their time by farming ecto's for armour, or xp for skillpoints. (You know, a group of people from your guild, whom you know, so you can't use that stupid "omfg all pugs are n00bz" argument.) |
1) there are atleast 3 classes that I know of that can solo UW...one of them was made possible by the update
2) I don't have a guild...and I won't until they give me an option to toggle that stupid cape
3) I'm still soloing the UW...what changed?
Mithie: the enjoyment is in designing builds that can handle large mobs by themselves...that's the enjoyment. The money required to purchase expensive armor is simply a byproduct. There was a time I felt farming was pointless...but after completing the game with 4 characters I really don't feel the need to do it again. Farming keeps my interest long enough to experience the summer update. Farming also allows me the challenge of developing builds that can take massive mobs....sorry, I find that entertaining. I will continue to find it builds for entertainment...however, I won't be able to share my builds with the people, which is what a community is about. Telling people "they are playing the wrong game" is a statement designed to tell people what they should or should not do without the balls required to be blatent about it. It allows the coward a blanket to hide under.
Mormegil
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Originally Posted by Sanji
It's totally awesome how you play a multiplayer online game to solo AND use it to be a petty jerk over fake internet money.
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All this blame on the solo monks is ridiculous, and I just stopped by to point out that, like many others, I will still farm the UW solo with no problems. Last update will generate inflation especially for UW items and materials: I will benefit from it while the people who bashed and bashed and complained will be left in pants.
Bingley Joe
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Originally Posted by sambotheman
They have changed protective bond energy loss u now cant get -1 energy with a 17 cast can some1 tell if if this makes a very big differnce to this build
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Another thing they've done that no one seems to be paying any attention to is the fact that you no longer need 17 there to receive the max benefit of the skill now. No skill needs 17 anymore, apparently (at least for the sake of skill potentcy):
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Originally Posted by The People who make The Rules
All skill ranges are for Attribute Level 0 through 15. For example, "Fertile Season: reduced duration to 15..45 seconds" would indicate that with 0 Attribute points, the duration would be 15 seconds, and with 15 Attribute points, the duration would be 45 seconds.
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Yeah they're going to lose lots more energy if they keep getting bashed on like they used to, but maybe the 1 or 2 creative souls out there who even understood the build to begin with can figure out something to do with those extra att points, no?
Spura
I can understand that. I was also very good at designing builds in other RPGs that could handle large mobs, there is lots of joy in that.
However in GW I play mostly pvp, I tried pve, but really isn't my forte. I play necromancers and mesmers mostly and they are more of a single target classes who can't take much of a beating. So without large mob design this gets pretty boring. Good thing they boosted faction. I'm off to arena.
Edit I don't give a shit about monks because Europe never has favor anyway and I think monks are way overpowered in pve.
However in GW I play mostly pvp, I tried pve, but really isn't my forte. I play necromancers and mesmers mostly and they are more of a single target classes who can't take much of a beating. So without large mob design this gets pretty boring. Good thing they boosted faction. I'm off to arena.
Edit I don't give a shit about monks because Europe never has favor anyway and I think monks are way overpowered in pve.
noblepaladin
The question on my mind now is, does level 16 give any benefit over level 15? It should but why would they list the range from level 0 to 15 when the max attainable is level 16 (17 is extremely rare and only attainable through +20% chance items).
JMadisonIV
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Originally Posted by nailz
why don't you just learn how to play the game without a healer....it IS possible you know...it just requires that you don't play like a moron. Don't blame the monks because you can't find a good PUG...it's not the monks fault you haven't figured out that every class can heal itself.
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I'm just sick of being in groups that won't friggin go anywhere unless we have two damn Monks when practically none of the Monks in the damn game are interesting in grouping.
why don't you quit trying to incite and flame for no good reason. don't blame me because you have to change your farming strategy. it's not my fault, I didn't call for any nerfs.
k? thanks. bye.
I swear, the arrogance of some of these people.............
Bingley Joe
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Originally Posted by noblepaladin
The question on my mind now is, does level 16 give any benefit over level 15? It should but why would they list the range from level 0 to 15 when the max attainable is level 16 (17 is extremely rare and only attainable through +20% chance items).
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Well for any of the effects like +AP from Strength, or +Energy from Energy Storage, etc., I would imagine that it probably does give a small benefit, but if what you are talking about is the listed potentcy of your skills, then I'm thinking this new change means NO.
The listed potentcy of your skills will now reach it's maximum when you have lvl15 in the governing attribute.
Santanus_Perro
FatherNurgle, you have no class. I did not attack anyone, kept a positive tone and stated my case as to why something had to be done about the build. You, on the other hand insult me by saying I have no clue! I stated my argument in a civil tone, I would suggest you do the same.
You act as if the invinci-monks were providing a service to the community. That is laughable. Anyone who created the build was there to get ecto and shards for their armor, or were wanting to horde the drops until demand was so high that one could price gouge. The prices of ectos today is price gouging pure and simple. It is pure speculation that supply of ectos will plummet. I believe more people will have ectos instead of a relative few having all the ectos.
More over, the build created such a demand for monk runes, that the casual player couldn't even afford to buy a rune. So, I say here and now that Anet did the right thing.
You act as if the invinci-monks were providing a service to the community. That is laughable. Anyone who created the build was there to get ecto and shards for their armor, or were wanting to horde the drops until demand was so high that one could price gouge. The prices of ectos today is price gouging pure and simple. It is pure speculation that supply of ectos will plummet. I believe more people will have ectos instead of a relative few having all the ectos.
More over, the build created such a demand for monk runes, that the casual player couldn't even afford to buy a rune. So, I say here and now that Anet did the right thing.
Sanji
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Originally Posted by Mormegil
Actually, farming is nothing more than a hobby... I've finished the game 3 times and don't feel joining PuGs too often. I play PvP mostly, but I'm devilishly glad to sell my ectos for higher prices - prices driven up by the always invoked nerf bat.
All this blame on the solo monks is ridiculous, and I just stopped by to point out that, like many others, I will still farm the UW solo with no problems. Last update will generate inflation especially for UW items and materials: I will benefit from it while the people who bashed and bashed and complained will be left in pants. |
However, I do believe skills that can be mindlessly be abused need some looking into and there should not be inequity when it comes to your class choice. Solo play in Guild Wars, however, obviously is a touchy subject, because Anet is obviously having problems doing anything decisive much less beneficial to the player and game about the process of obtaining content.
nailz
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Originally Posted by JMadisonIV
how about erm..ah....I HAVE BEEN PLAYING WITHOUT A HEALER. and if not without a healer, I've been playing with Mhenlo. I'm perfectly capable of healing myself on both of my characters, and I have an almost insta-cast etherfeast on my Mesmer. no problems there. none whatsoever. I know how to take care of myself, thanks.
I'm just sick of being in groups that won't friggin go anywhere unless we have two damn Monks when practically none of the Monks in the damn game are interesting in grouping. why don't you quit trying to incite and flame for no good reason. don't blame me because you have to change your farming strategy. it's not my fault, I didn't call for any nerfs. k? thanks. bye. I swear, the arrogance of some of these people............. |
I'd be surprised if finding a monk is any easier....the majority of the people that made the solo build created a monk specifically for that reason...they aren't going to now go an join PUGs to heal..they're gonna figure out a new farming build. So your comment had little to do with anything.
Sanji
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Originally Posted by Bingley Joe
Well for any of the effects like +AP from Strength, or +Energy from Energy Storage, etc., I would imagine that it probably does give a small benefit, but if what you are talking about is the listed potentcy of your skills, then I'm thinking this new change means NO.
The listed potentcy of your skills will now reach it's maximum when you have lvl15 in the governing attribute. |
Audhumla
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Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions
Gaile Gray - "We have nothing against an honest farmer."
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The 105/55 build was hardly "honest".
jdwoody
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I still say the build only really hurt one segment, the very wealthy who have an interest in keeping the cost of ecto high. (Which is where I believe all this "UW wasn't meant to be solo'd BS started")
JMadisonIV
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Originally Posted by nailz
I'd be surprised if finding a monk is any easier....
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I was responding to someone saying that "I hope you have to wait for hours to find a monk for your group."
and my response was that, nothing changed, because we had to wait for hours anyway as it was.
if you read posts #42 and #43 before flaming, you'd have picked that one up.
and then after that, someone said that "if I join a group with my Monk/R it should be a Given that I am healing."
and I said not quite, because in my own experience, it is rare to see a dedicated healing Monk. nowhere did I say that I couldn't heal myself. nowhere did I say that I am solely dependant on a Monk for success. nowhere did I say it wasn't possible to play without a Monk.
so nothing you've said to me thus far has any real meaning, that I can see.
but thanks for offering an opinion.
K? Thanks! Bye.
neoflame
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Originally Posted by noblepaladin
It should but why would they list the range from level 0 to 15 when the max attainable is level 16 (17 is extremely rare and only attainable through +20% chance items).
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Bingley Joe
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Originally Posted by Sanji
No, everything works as it did before. If you look on the actual update page, you'll see that it isn't a change, but a note. He's just stating that for the skill changes, the Min was 0 and the Max was 15. 16 still works the same as always.
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But if that's the case, what were people worrying about boosting the attribute to 17 for? What do you get for going from 15 to 17 with that build?