So essentially, because a large group of players weren't good enough at PVP to stop a certain build, Anet decided to nerf the hell out of Rangers. Again.
Since when did carebears control this game?
Congrats Anet, I have just finished uninstalling the game. I haven't been this sad since whining, bitching, and moaning from a few people led UO to introduce Trammel.
ANET nerfs Rangers again
Dan Mega
a_scrawny_gnoll01
They nerfed NR, yes, but some changes are nice. Cripple shot is now a 1 second recast. Quick spammable cripple. I don't do much pvp, but I do know that could prove useful when you can prevent a group from advancing in seconds...?
Even though it is an 8 second duration, it still appears to be useful. Like I said, I don't do much pvp, so if you think I am dumb, flame me.
...I liked the changes done to rangers.
Even though it is an 8 second duration, it still appears to be useful. Like I said, I don't do much pvp, so if you think I am dumb, flame me.
...I liked the changes done to rangers.
lishi
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They nerfed NR, yes, but some changes are nice. Cripple shot is now a 1 second recast. Quick spammable cripple. I don't do much pvp, but I do know that could prove useful when you can prevent a group from advancing in seconds...?
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you are the only ranger so 
like you said you dont play pvp much, so probably you arent using spirit so much.
now you can spam the spirit, so you need protect them but how you can protect them agaist all indirect spell?
DrSLUGFly
I can guess that either:
1- you're a spirit ranger in pvp
2- you've never encountered a spirit wall
3- you've never tried to take out a ghost with spam heals on him + about 2000 life
uninstalled huh... that angry cuz you can't spam spirits? It's okay, you've always got CS... and I'm sure I'll still be able to find a group for tombs.
1- you're a spirit ranger in pvp
2- you've never encountered a spirit wall
3- you've never tried to take out a ghost with spam heals on him + about 2000 life
uninstalled huh... that angry cuz you can't spam spirits? It's okay, you've always got CS... and I'm sure I'll still be able to find a group for tombs.
Koroh
Dan Mega,
I'm sorry to hear you've uninstalled GW.
I hope you find a MOG where you are happy with the power of the ranger. Rangers are fantastic in Tolkien's "LOTR", so maybe MEO will be to your liking?
Dunno if they'll have PvP anywhere near as competitive as GW, but the graphics do look pretty impressive. Unfortunately you'll have to wait a while until it comes out. Oh, and it will probably have balance issues in it's own right, but I'm sure it will be awesome just the same. Especially for Rangers. Just don't name your character "Aragorn, Aragron, 'Aragorn, Aaragoorn" or anything like that. They'll probably be taken
There's a saying in my profession: "Adapt and overcome". I'm sorry they've changed this game beyond your ability or desire to overcome.
Koroh
PS, you can adapt and overcome. Just think how amazed people will be when you're kicking @ss with your nerfed Ranger! Think of it as a challenge to find a new way to frustrate the hell out of other players. I know this post was sarcastic, but I know you'll find a reason to keep playing.
I'm sorry to hear you've uninstalled GW.
I hope you find a MOG where you are happy with the power of the ranger. Rangers are fantastic in Tolkien's "LOTR", so maybe MEO will be to your liking?
Dunno if they'll have PvP anywhere near as competitive as GW, but the graphics do look pretty impressive. Unfortunately you'll have to wait a while until it comes out. Oh, and it will probably have balance issues in it's own right, but I'm sure it will be awesome just the same. Especially for Rangers. Just don't name your character "Aragorn, Aragron, 'Aragorn, Aaragoorn" or anything like that. They'll probably be taken
There's a saying in my profession: "Adapt and overcome". I'm sorry they've changed this game beyond your ability or desire to overcome.
Koroh
PS, you can adapt and overcome. Just think how amazed people will be when you're kicking @ss with your nerfed Ranger! Think of it as a challenge to find a new way to frustrate the hell out of other players. I know this post was sarcastic, but I know you'll find a reason to keep playing.
stefan16
Ranger pets have 80 armor at lvl 20 now and move 20% faster, not really nerfing..
Dan Mega
I was a spirit ranger for a while before I switched to another build that was made solely to take out spirit teams. And we took out spirit teams fast and effectively. I heard many people say "oh you must have not fought against good spirit teams"...lol. There were ways to beat them, people were too lazy to figure out how to beat the good spirit builds so they whined.
Yeah, thats right, I was on both ends of the coin. I noticed that most people complaining about spirits were mad that they couldn't do their "uber 1337" damage fast enough and they got creamed. I ALSO noticed that many, if not most, of the whiners didn't want to change their builds. So since they became so stubborn in their ways, Anet nerfed Rangers (again) to accomodate the carebears.
Yeah, thats right, I was on both ends of the coin. I noticed that most people complaining about spirits were mad that they couldn't do their "uber 1337" damage fast enough and they got creamed. I ALSO noticed that many, if not most, of the whiners didn't want to change their builds. So since they became so stubborn in their ways, Anet nerfed Rangers (again) to accomodate the carebears.
DrSLUGFly
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you can adapt and overcome.
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edit: where exactly was the suggestion in this thread?
Dan Mega
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There's a saying in my profession: "Adapt and overcome". I'm sorry they've changed this game beyond your ability or desire to overcome.
PS, you can adapt and overcome. Just think how amazed people will be when you're kicking @ss with your nerfed Ranger! Think of it as a challenge to find a new way to frustrate the hell out of other players. I know this post was sarcastic, but I know you'll find a reason to keep playing. |
How long have you been playing GW? Rangers get nerfed to hell every single time we find an advantage! Good rangers are constantly having to adapt and overcome, by far more than ANY other race in the game.
I no longer have the time to have to find yet another dominating build, so I uninstalled the game because its not fun anymore, having to grind in PvE just to get what I needed to make a decent PvP character, now PvP will just be back to spike teams like IS and SB winning every match. Guess what will happen when rangers come up with yet another build (interrupting/trapping combo will be the next one) that owns most of the teams? Anet will nerf that too.
FengShuiBundi
Echo + Debil Shot + Debil Shot + Signet of Weariness + Power Leak.
Rangers are still good.
Rangers are still good.
Lu Cheng Ying
The problem with NCSoft is that they're trying too hard to please everyone. They're are always in reactive mode. They need to kick out of this mode. It is having negative impact on the game.
They need to realize that people are creature of habit and if they negate people's habit, people will have extreme reactions.
Their are "spirit pwning" teams & there are "spike pwning" teams, etc. NCSoft is idiotic to try to control every aspect of every advantage that players come up with. THIS HAS TO STOP! If it doesn't, the vicious cycle will never end.
NCSoft needs to draw a line for themselves. Once the design of the game is finished, LET IT BE! Fix only the bugs, not the advantages that people come up with!
Because NCSoft is continually forcing people to change habit, they are hurting themselves because hardcores are turned off.
Once hardcores leaves, this game dies.
They need to realize that people are creature of habit and if they negate people's habit, people will have extreme reactions.
Their are "spirit pwning" teams & there are "spike pwning" teams, etc. NCSoft is idiotic to try to control every aspect of every advantage that players come up with. THIS HAS TO STOP! If it doesn't, the vicious cycle will never end.
NCSoft needs to draw a line for themselves. Once the design of the game is finished, LET IT BE! Fix only the bugs, not the advantages that people come up with!
Because NCSoft is continually forcing people to change habit, they are hurting themselves because hardcores are turned off.
Once hardcores leaves, this game dies.
DrSLUGFly
You don't get it do you? Every build regardless of class (not race) that owns most of the teams will be nerfed... why? Because the purpose of the game is skill and strategy not class and build. If a guild owns most teams then fine, if a regular group owns most teams this is fine... but if a certain build owns most teams (witness spirit spammers) regardless of their skill level, this is an issue.
edit in response to Korah's edit: this post was aimed at the OP'er's response not yours.
edit in response to Korah's edit: this post was aimed at the OP'er's response not yours.
Koroh
I think this was more of a rant than a thread. It's okay though, I give Dan Mega a day or two before he gets all twitchy from GW withdrawl. It's like freakin' heroin!
I liken claims of "I'm not playing anymore because ANet are stupid-heads" to people complaining about gas prices. No one will stop driving, but it gives them a way to vent frustration.
I just hope he didn't make the mistake of going cold turkey and giving away all his stuff. Makes it a bitch when you skulk back to the game
Koroh
[edit] I don't play a Ranger if that's what you're asking. My primary is a W/Mo. Last time I checked we don't have any "pwning" builds. On the plus side we didn't get nerfed so hah!
I liken claims of "I'm not playing anymore because ANet are stupid-heads" to people complaining about gas prices. No one will stop driving, but it gives them a way to vent frustration.
I just hope he didn't make the mistake of going cold turkey and giving away all his stuff. Makes it a bitch when you skulk back to the game
Koroh
[edit] I don't play a Ranger if that's what you're asking. My primary is a W/Mo. Last time I checked we don't have any "pwning" builds. On the plus side we didn't get nerfed so hah!
Calnaion Blackhawk
meh, rangers are nerfed to poo, mesmers will become the new domintating class, smiting is back as nothing can stop it bar lingering curse, it seems that A.Net favors the smiting build, co-oincidently the build that takes the least brains to use....
but AS per usual im sure our guild will be coming up with some ideas, i also see fragility+virulence coming back in since this update...
but AS per usual im sure our guild will be coming up with some ideas, i also see fragility+virulence coming back in since this update...
nightwing
it seems we rangers get zero respect...8(
Lu Cheng Ying
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You don't get it do you? Every build regardless of class (not race) that owns most of the teams will be nerfed... why? Because the purpose of the game is skill and strategy not class and build. If a guild owns most teams then fine, if a regular group owns most teams this is fine... but if a certain build owns most teams (witness spirit spammers) regardless of their skill level, this is an issue.
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As far as I know, there is not a single class that pwns everything other classes. It's more luck of the draw in most cases. For example, my E/Mo is quite undefeatable until she compes up against a good mesmer or necro.
So just because I can pwn Warriors, Rangers and Elemantalist, my build will be nerfed? This is stupid!
A failure to counter me has nothing to do with the fact that my class (build) is unkillable, but it's because of the incompetence and sometimes luck of my opponents.
Charcoal Ann
Rangers were not nerfed; NR was.
the NR build was not hard to do, took no skill.
the point is that the classes should be equal.
a good elementalist should have an equal fight against whatever class they fight (as long as it is played well)
a good ranger now will still have a place on their skill bar for NR. and the other ranger skills have been buffed. so that rangers have more options when fighting other classes.
the NR build was not hard to do, took no skill.
the point is that the classes should be equal.
a good elementalist should have an equal fight against whatever class they fight (as long as it is played well)
a good ranger now will still have a place on their skill bar for NR. and the other ranger skills have been buffed. so that rangers have more options when fighting other classes.
Neo-LD
All strats are/were beatable, but if you deny that spirit groups were overpowered, unskilled, and took the fun out of the game, then you are just stupid. Spirit groups were the #1 worst thing to happen to guild wars pvp. This patch has breathed life back into a game that would otherwise have died. Now people can actually use most of the skills in this game, instead of just 25% of them. Now pvp is open and frzntic, not the monotonous, boring, retarded gameplay that spirits lead to.
They were overpowered. They took the fun out of the game. It was 1 strategy that morons could use to completely pwn 95% of all other strategies. Spirit Spam is quite simply indefensible. As far as I know you are the only person who is unhappy that spirits are fair again. You are leaving? Good riddance. You are one of few. Thousands of gamers who left will come back.
They were overpowered. They took the fun out of the game. It was 1 strategy that morons could use to completely pwn 95% of all other strategies. Spirit Spam is quite simply indefensible. As far as I know you are the only person who is unhappy that spirits are fair again. You are leaving? Good riddance. You are one of few. Thousands of gamers who left will come back.
Lu Cheng Ying
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Rangers were not nerfed; NR was.
the NR build was not hard to do, took no skill. the point is that the classes should be equal. a good elementalist should have an equal fight against whatever class they fight (as long as it is played well) a good ranger now will still have a place on their skill bar for NR. and the other ranger skills have been buffed. so that rangers have more options when fighting other classes. |
It's not so much about trying to balance everything every time. If NCSoft tries to do this, the vicious cycle will never end!
They need to stop operating in reactive mode. They need to just let things be. NCSoft needs to stop "playing" this game for us.
Let us play the dammed game!
Cameela
The problem was that any person could easily create a dozen spirits, any ONE person could do this, now you have a team of people creating them in various patterns to wall in certain areas. By the time another group even shows up, there are so many spirits everywhere that you have to move around very selectively to even get to this team. All this while they are still creating more and more spirits, which are limiting your hexes, enchantments, movements, damage, basically creating a senario where the odds are infinitely stacked up against you.
Sure, there are counters available to this kind of behavior, but honestly, I think anybody who would actually say spirits everywhere all the time in huge quantities is fun for anybody is just being dishonest. Its like playing a soccer game, where your team is 100x larger than the other team, and you effectively block the goal with a huge encampment of spirits which are constantly being replaces with new ones.
Its not fun, I know personally when I saw spirits everywhere in pvp games I just got irritated. I know if they are using any kind of decent setup, It will take me quite a bit of effort to kill any of the spirits and what is the point in killing them anyways when there are dozens more being made all over the place.
And NR was the most powerful ability in the game. No other skill has such a huge range, removes so much and leaves a lasting effect. Not to mention it was spammed everywhere in huge numbers to keep the effect up.
If you cannot take having a very cheeseball aspect of this game being fixed, then you should uninstal and take a break.
Sure, there are counters available to this kind of behavior, but honestly, I think anybody who would actually say spirits everywhere all the time in huge quantities is fun for anybody is just being dishonest. Its like playing a soccer game, where your team is 100x larger than the other team, and you effectively block the goal with a huge encampment of spirits which are constantly being replaces with new ones.
Its not fun, I know personally when I saw spirits everywhere in pvp games I just got irritated. I know if they are using any kind of decent setup, It will take me quite a bit of effort to kill any of the spirits and what is the point in killing them anyways when there are dozens more being made all over the place.
And NR was the most powerful ability in the game. No other skill has such a huge range, removes so much and leaves a lasting effect. Not to mention it was spammed everywhere in huge numbers to keep the effect up.
If you cannot take having a very cheeseball aspect of this game being fixed, then you should uninstal and take a break.
Lu Cheng Ying
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All strats are/were beatable, but if you deny that spirit groups were overpowered, unskilled, and took the fun out of the game, then you are just stupid. Spirit groups were the #1 worst thing to happen to guild wars pvp. This patch has breathed life back into a game that would otherwise have died. Now people can actually use most of the skills in this game, instead of just 25% of them. Now pvp is open and frzntic, not the monotonous, boring, retarded gameplay that spirits lead to.
They were overpowered. They took the fun out of the game. It was 1 strategy that morons could use to completely pwn 95% of all other strategies. Spirit Spam is quite simply indefensible. As far as I know you are the only person who is unhappy that spirits are fair again. You are leaving? Good riddance. You are one of few. Thousands of gamers who left will come back. |
Obviously if you hadn't been able to defeat sprits team then you are the one that is incompetence.
Why are you flaming him? Has he personally harmed or disparaged you? (And, yes, I'm flaming you because you built the fire!)
Just so you know, Spirit teams do not pwn 95% of the time. They only pwn noobs and morons.
My point is not much about spirit team or spike team, it's about NCSoft/A.Net's continual meddling. These morons need to draw a line for themselves and STOP!
This meddling is a vicious cycle. It angers people. Remember the stupid PC design has existed since the early 80s. We're still limited to 16 IRQs for devices, yet the powers the be hasn't force a design change.
My point being is, innovative individuals will always find a "best" way to do things. Don't go nerfing these innovations. (As for the ways around the stupid PC design, the core still exists, but we have DMA, XMS, etc...to get around).
NCSoft needs to stop trying to play the game for us. Us let decide how we should play.
So what if the Ranger's NR pwns, be a fricken Ranger! What's to stop you from being one if you can't beat it? If you personally decide against it, that's your loss and fault, not the person playing as a Ranger!
So what if an area drops too many good items? NCSoft needs to stay off it. If you're too stupid to farm in the area, it's your loss and fault, not those that take advantage of it.
Everything has an equilibrium. We just need to be adult about these things and NCSoft needs to stop being a moronic meddling parent or everyone will be pissed off and leave. (I'm damned close to an uninstall myself.)
There are so many other games out there....Everquest, WoW, FFXI or even trust CS!
DrSLUGFly
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This meddling is a vicious cycle. It angers people.
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Lu Cheng Ying
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and drives away the "undesirable elements"
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Unfortunately, as in real life, the "undesirables" are the ones providing most of the entertainment.
With just the "angelic", you'll have utopia and utopia is a fricken boring place!
Flame
Unless your build is specifically designed to combat spirit spam, you will have trouble beating it. It is a build that does not require any real strategy, beyond "Everyone spam spirits". Even better-organized teams may lose, because it is hard to call and hit targets when there are dozens are spirits everywhere.
ArenaNet should take a less active role and let some of these things work themselves out, but when it reaches the point that the only builds are either one type or a way to combat that type, intervention is required. However, I do not think they should be punishing groups for developing a powerful strategy.
Just because spirit spam is nerfed, does not mean rangers are. A good ranger can easily take out Warriors easily, and cause massive damage to casters.
ArenaNet should take a less active role and let some of these things work themselves out, but when it reaches the point that the only builds are either one type or a way to combat that type, intervention is required. However, I do not think they should be punishing groups for developing a powerful strategy.
Just because spirit spam is nerfed, does not mean rangers are. A good ranger can easily take out Warriors easily, and cause massive damage to casters.
Neo-LD
My point was not that spirits were invincible. My point was that in order to beat them you had to use a VERY specific build. Every team down in tombs was either spirit or anti-spirit. Like I said, 95% of the otherwise viable strategies in the game were left out to dry. No strategy should be able to single handedly destroy so many other strategies, particularly if its such an unskilled strategy as spirits were.
This change is nothing but a good thing. Anyone who defends spirits is an enemy to guild wars.
By the way, rangers still have better damage than eles and disruption that rivals mesmers, and degen that surpasses necros. Rangers still rock.
This change is nothing but a good thing. Anyone who defends spirits is an enemy to guild wars.
By the way, rangers still have better damage than eles and disruption that rivals mesmers, and degen that surpasses necros. Rangers still rock.
Lu Cheng Ying
Have you guys checked the game lately? Since the latest update, A.Net lost more than 50% of it's users.
Lion's Arch used to have up to 20 districts, now less than 10 districts.
It's pretty much the same at Ascalon, too--going from 30+ districts to just under 10.
NCSoft/A.Net needs to let people play the game and make the decisions for themselves.
And players need to be more mature. If you can't beat a certain class/strategy,yet, you're stubborn and refuse to use it, that's your own damned fault. Don't whine to A.Net!
A.Net/NCSoft, stop playing this damned game for us!
Lion's Arch used to have up to 20 districts, now less than 10 districts.
It's pretty much the same at Ascalon, too--going from 30+ districts to just under 10.
NCSoft/A.Net needs to let people play the game and make the decisions for themselves.
And players need to be more mature. If you can't beat a certain class/strategy,yet, you're stubborn and refuse to use it, that's your own damned fault. Don't whine to A.Net!
A.Net/NCSoft, stop playing this damned game for us!
DrSLUGFly
erm... they updated today didn't they? And doesn't it stand to reason that a great many players would be doing PvP now? Perhaps not the full-on PvE enthusiasts but certainly those who are half and half.
Neo-LD
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Have you guys checked the game lately? Since the latest update, A.Net lost more than 50% of it's users.
Lion's Arch used to have up to 20 districts, now less than 10 districts. It's pretty much the same at Ascalon, too--going from 30+ districts to just under 10. NCSoft/A.Net needs to let people play the game and make the decisions for themselves. And players need to be more mature. If you can't beat a certain class/strategy,yet, you're stubborn and refuse to use it, that's your own damned fault. Don't whine to A.Net! A.Net/NCSoft, stop playing this damned game for us! |
Because 50% of players have left, what does that tell you? The current version of the game was bad and NEEDED to be fixed. Leaving it alone made absolutely no sense.
Cameela
Its friday midday EST. Makes sense to me that not many people would be playing the game at this time....
Lu Cheng Ying
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So wait, ANET was losing players daily, the entire community was collectively screaming to save their game, and several obvious flaws in pvp pve were apparent. And you want ANET to just stand by while their game dies?
Because 50% of players have left, what does that tell you? The current version of the game was bad and NEEDED to be fixed. Leaving it alone made absolutely no sense. |
This game is already lame by itself. The nerfing of potential farm areas pretty much sealed the fate of this game for hardcore players.
When hardcore leaves, A.Net will have a harder time repopulating with noobs.
My point being is they need to retain what players they have while incrementally gaining more.
Continual meddling will only drive away larger numbers while attracting less.
Without the interests of long time players, the game will just die.
Again, A.Net/NCSoft need to stop playing the game for people. They need let people play the game. There will always be whiners. The whiners are usually never the good players anyway.
As you all know, I'm not defending one or the other. All I've been saying is that A.Net/NCSoft meddles too much with the game and this is causing a lot of people to be very upset!
Blue Steel
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My point was not that spirits were invincible. My point was that in order to beat them you had to use a VERY specific build. Every team down in tombs was either spirit or anti-spirit. Like I said, 95% of the otherwise viable strategies in the game were left out to dry. No strategy should be able to single handedly destroy so many other strategies, particularly if its such an unskilled strategy as spirits were.
This change is nothing but a good thing. Anyone who defends spirits is an enemy to guild wars. By the way, rangers still have better damage than eles and disruption that rivals mesmers, and degen that surpasses necros. Rangers still rock. |
Lu Cheng Ying
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Its friday midday EST. Makes sense to me that not many people would be playing the game at this time....
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It is still a major drop in the gaming population. I bet most Rangers and Monks stayed away.
I certainly did! (I'm here ranting <g>) (And, no, I don't play as a ranger, but I do play as a monk!)
After I'm done ranting, I'll go back to Mu, which I left for GW. But it's time to get back to Mu and CS, again. At least these host don't dictate so much how I should play!
Loviatar
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I Anet nerfed Rangers (again) to accomodate the carebears.
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they do make a handy whipping boy for anything that you dont like though.
an overpowered skill is nerfed at the request of the supermajority of PVP players and you quit the game
Aniewiel
1. School has started again for a lot of people so fewer will be on during the daylight US hours.
2. The fixes were good things to combat single team builds and actually encourage "thinking outside the box".
3. This is not a rant forum, it is a suggestion forum.
4. Thank you all for your input.
5. /Closed
2. The fixes were good things to combat single team builds and actually encourage "thinking outside the box".
3. This is not a rant forum, it is a suggestion forum.
4. Thank you all for your input.
5. /Closed