Weapon-Smiths should be able to increase max-min damage of a weapon

I agree with Broken Arrow, there is no need to change the mods on a weapon, this idea is based on the contruction and improvement of an UN-modded weapon, mods can be applied as found and salvaged. Improvment to based damage can happen only up to a max of say 20%, then a new drop or a newly constructed weapon from a weaponsmith later on in the game to produce high base stats.
Another Idea I had and I'm not sure if its a good one or not, but you guys tell me. What if a constructed weapon could gain xp as well? The weapon as it gains xp starts to have some inherant mods come though. The more xp gained the higher percentage of the mod. These would be like a gold drop with no mods but built in stats to affect the character.

IDEAS???

The ONLY people that would be against this are the campers buying and selling weapons and upgrades.

They would have nothing left to do...........


EXCEPT PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!



If they don't want to do play, they can leave, less lagg for us all.

I kinda skimmed quickly, but it seems like this idea would be best If these things happened:

1: The weapon would have to be stepped up in damage through progression of areas. For example, lets say you had a 4-7 damage pre-Searing Longsword. Once you get to post searing, you can increase the damage of the weapon to a max (for that area) of lets just say 8-10. Even if the weapon was 7-9 to start with, you can only increase it to a max of 8-10. Now, once you got to Yak's bend, you can upgrade it to a 9-12.

2: The upgrades would have to be required in succession. This means if you simply pick up a 4-7 damage sword (lets call it level 0) then you'd have to take it through all the upgrades stages, (lets say 1-5) before it is max damage. A crafter will NOT upgrade an item that hasn't been upgraded in succession. Now, thinking, I suggest there be weapon levels to track this. They could be hidden if necessary. This is so that if you find a level 3 sword, let say a 11-15, you can upgrade it directly to a 13-19 (level 4) without having to go through previous upgrade (since they'd be meaningless, and this would make higher damage weapons much more valuable, since cheaper to upgrade, as it should be)

3: The upgrades have to cost exceeding values of gold and resources. Just use relevant resources, and require the items and gold based on type of item and upgrade level. This is pretty simple and self explanitory.

4: Each upgrade adds extra requirement levels. I personally think that self-upgraded items should have higher base requirement levels (to help prevent newer characters having their low-level items upgraded by 'Trade-up' services. I think that a level 5 item, for example, should require level 10 in the appropriate skill to use. This allows players tied to that weapon to have it around always, at an appropriate price, and also makes it so that those 8 require items are still popular and sell just as well as always. This helps prevent hurt to farmers, as their goods will likely be cheaper and 'better' while allowing people to keep their favorite items and have fun.

5: An item cannot be upgraded until it is customized to yourself. This is to prevent it from being sold to any other people, and again a countermeasure to 'trade-up' services. Additonally this will cause the weapon itself to be 'better' than other weapons, since it is easier to customize something you know can't be sold otherwise.

6: Additionally, I agree that customizations to items, such as look or size should be services that can be purchased, since they are simply a look. This way characters can be distinguished by their items looks, just as much as they are now by their capes. I also think that we should be allowed to purchase upgrades to items (requiring more resources or more 'special' of an item to be obtained before a certain upgrade can be created). This will help give every upgraded 'personal' weapon a completely personal feel. In the end, if you spec your weapon enough, it'll be a great thing to show off to friends, but may cost quite a bit in the process. Ideally the finished form of this weapon (the upgrades, since they can be unique costing the most) should cost approximately twice as much as an equally powerful 'found' weapon since it is unique in so many ways.

I'm giving big props to this idea. I hope the devs take a good look at this...I would definitely have a ton of fun with it.

(Obviously I summed up most of this thread. I am not trying to create the idea as my own.....it's just such a good idea I wanted to give detailed input)

Pretty much everything you have said, has been said, The only thing I will disagree with you on is #6, I still maintain that these OPTIONS of persoanlized and customized weapons are only for the base damage. ANY mods applied to the weapon have to be found and salvaged from drops. THIS IS ONLY A OPTION, this is not intended to replaced the current system for weapons and drop system, only to give people a chance to have a completly unique LOOKING weapon while still having the ablilty to mod it to keep it useful.

Eh? I said that in my first post.

Um... that's completely differant things. Staffs and wands ALWAYS have +energy on them. The whole "+energy" on them is like the equivelant of the min-max damage on a combat weapon. Point - There is always a "+Energy" on wands and staffs, there is not always a mod. You cannot salvage the "+energy" portion to get a mod. You cannot unlock the base "+energy" for PvP because the wands/staffs already have the maxed energy. 2 Completely differant things.

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You also said this would get rid of some of the frustrating grind, WHAT GRIND?! I can't see where you would come up with that.
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If you think there is zero grind in this game, you have never played through the 75+ Hours to complete this game (or you are just a moron, either one works).



I agree with the customization-before-maxing suggestion, too. I will update my original post to include it, if nobody minds.

Your original post didn't say anything about ADDING a req... only increasing an existing one

But as I said I do think this would be an interesting idea and would make the weapons NPC more useful...

"Increasing" can also mean "adding". As in something has a "0" requirement, so I increase the "0" to a "2"

This is a great idea. It creates a phenominal gold sink. The first requirement is obvious, the weapon needs to be customized to take it out of the economy. Then allow them to increase the damage of the weapon up to max (in increments.) The cost of increments would grow based on how many times the weapon has been upgraded. Create a base level for each upgrade, say 2,000 gold to upgrade to max damage from one under. However that number would be multiplied by how many times the weapon has already been upgraded. So this 2-4 weapon that has already had 10 upgrades would cost 20,000 to push from slightly below max to max (plus all the upgrades beneath that.) Additionally ever few upgrades the requirement goes up (so you can't have a max damage req 0 weapon.) Thus you can improve your natural mod and your damage, but as you do it becomes prohibitively expensive and ups the requirement. This would still leave a market for selling found weapons cheap or for finding the basic model and innate mode you want.

I love this. It lets you keep your favorite weapon with you the entire game. No more going from ascolon to Kryta and having to ditch that pretty pre-sear crystaline collectors sword for a short sword. For a soldier, His/her weapon should be more than just a tool that can be replaced by the next new thing. Its the only thing separating him/her from Necromancer fodder.

/signed

Quick thought:

Perhaps something could be done similar to how weapon enhanceing worked in the PS2 game "Way of the Samurai" (Which was an awsome game btw). Basicly you could increase one stat but then a different stat would be decreased, the thing was that some stats might increase by more than they decrease a different stat, or a few didn't decrease a stat at all, etc. Basicly it was a situation where you could make a sword more customized and enhanced but couldn't right out and make a super sword. It was also nice because a unenhanced sword became an all arounder instead of simply being weaker like in most games. ((FWI the stats in that particular game where HP, Defence, Damage, and Sword Hardness/HP))

Why not put upgrades into the game that increase max damage and don't show. Like you get a +1 damage upgrade and if your weapon is max, it will say that it already has that upgrade, and you can keep using them to up the damage. These would be a special type of rune. just a thought.

Or an upgrade that makes a max damage axe be something like 28-150 chaos damage.


NO, we have balance.

There is a good thing going here with requests for PvE characters to be on par with PvP characters, lets not screw it up with childish pleas for weapons that do not fit the game.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but what about the 7-20 axes. Would they become 7-28 or would the minimum value lower to the proper 6-28?

Well, in any case I agree completely with the mentioned conditions.

You would have to pay seperatly for increasing minimum/maximum damage.

Great idea !
As long as it is customised prior to maxing it i say its gr8


I do think that the price should go up per point of min /max damage added lets say +1 min 200g +1 max 100g so to get a 3-7 sword to 15-22 would cost 3.9k and perhaps require some materials.

Of course one should never be allowed mo increase dmg over its types maximum.

/signed

You could make it so that these "improved" (not customized) weapons could not be salvaged.

then you could make it possible to increase the mods as well (take a +25hp to +30), and no-body could abuse it to sell +30 mods.

I would LOVE to have a max damage sickle.

I've actualy had the same idea in a previous thread.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=67916

I don't think people got my idea correctly and i would like evryone to review it and realy think about my suggestions.

And for me this idea is ofcourse /SIGNED

Eh... a noble idea, but I think it may interfere too much with PvP, or put too much emphasis on max damage weapons, especially rares.

I'm all for raising the min damage, but not max damage when it's already max damage. Max damage rares exist to sink gold, making it easier to just make them would be bad unless it was also a gold sink.

More like this:

Let us say the weaponsmiths have a "perfect weapon" of each class and type that they use for comparison. For each point of minimum or maximum damage they raise, the initial cost is 100 gold, doubling an additional amount of gold towards the "perfect form" for every 10% of that type's maximum min/max damage without going over that weapons' stats, starting with 100 gold for 10%-19%, 0 gold for 0%-9%.

In other words:

10%: 100g
20%: 200g
30%: 400g
40%: 1,600g
50%: 3,200g
60%: 6,400g
70%: 12,800g
80%: 25,600g
90%: 51,200g
100%: 102,400g

So, raising up a starter weapon, for instance, may not be feasible. But getting a hold of a rare weapon with excellent modifiers but with crummy stats isn't a problem if you have the money. And it's great for the economy because it gives the gold back to A.Net instead of allowing it to circulate with players.

Raising a starter hammer that starts at 4-7 to 19-35 would cost, in total, 738,900 gold, raising the minmum damage 15 points and the maximum 18 points. In contrast, just raising a 18-33 hammer to 19-35 would cost only 256,300 gold.

I think that's a fair gold sink to keep trading active but making blacksmiths tempting enough to be active, to max out those rascally barely non-perfects.

Haha, no. No mod in the entire world is worth even 50 plat.
100g each time you want to upgrade sounds more reasonable.

problem is some of the items in pre searing have crazy mods and low base damage.. think saw someone post that in here

Wasn't that one of the conditions? No upgrading quest reward/collectors items.

I like the idea. I thought of it before. It would make my Ithas bow actually worth using over a collectors.

this is a great idea, no more grinding to get enough gold to buy expensive max golden/purple/green weapons. It would also be nice if the smiths can also upgrade shields.

While I agree that upgrading a min-damage weapon should be costly, I disagree with the rates that you propose. If the game were played the first time through without help from friends, or EBay, a person would not be able to afford upgrades as they reach the areas that they can upgrade thier weapons.

While I do not feel that upgrading your first weapon should be cheap, it should be feasable without farming.

Please explain how this would be a gold sink.

You can already buy a Max Damage weapon from a camping ascalon spam seller for less than 2k gold. Basically, as soon as you get to post searing, you have someone trying to pawn off a max this or a perfect that.

My first time playing the game, I got to ascalon city (just finished pre-searing) and the guy I was with was like, "Hey, you should get a better sword! I have a 1 from max fiery dragon sword that I can sell you for 1.5k."

Sold.

What is the incentive to upgrade that item that you were using in pre-sear. I definitely agree that customization (naming the item, etc.) would/could be a viable option.

EDIT: I might use it for the Ithas Bow, though, as mentioned above.

Gold Sink = Anything that takes gold out of the in-game economy (ie, not trading gold to another player).

The point is that the option is still there, just as the option to craft your own weapons is there. Perhaps you have 2 perfect mods equipped on your less-than-max weapon, but don't want to salvage them. Or mabey the weapon has a model that you like better than the norm, but is less than max damage. Or, if you're like me, just hate trading with other players.

it's a good idea but i think the be kind of like upgrading a weapon, and if they did make it would hope for the weapon to be ugpraded to cost 15,000 gold for each point added because the items you get are, if they did do this every item could be overpriced like non max dmg crystalline swords with a good +dmg on them because you could just upgrade them, and then there would be another discussion about removing the traders because people can't afford the item

i dunno if this has already been mentioned, but weapons have levels, and the levels predetermines the min-max dmg. you cant individually change the min or max dmg of the weapon...u should only be able to increase the level (which then increases the min-max dmg) of the weapon

there are 24 levels for weapons. an item should only be raised about 5 more level and must be customised. the cost would be predetermined by what level the item is being raised to.

maybe using a formula like this for each lvl

cost = Level^3.025+100

so the cost to raise the lvl would be:
to lvl 2: 100
3:130
4:160
5:230
....
19:7450
20:8700
21:10000
22:11600
23:13250
24:15000

so that improving a lvl 1 to lvl 2 would cost about 100g, but improving lvl 23 to lvl 24 would cost about 15000g. and if u found a lvl 20 sword (14-19 dmg), to raise it to lvl 24 would cost 10000+11600+13250+15000=49850g

this is gold cost only, u should also need raw materials

I agree. Also perhaps buying the modifier one point at a time (e.g. 26 to 27 and then 27 to 28). Or just making it cost more to upgrade for starting at lower mods.

/signed

Worty of getting implemented. However, I probably wouldn't find much use of it myself. Every time I find a rare item, it's almost always max damage. And if it isn't, it has crappy mods. The main use of this function would be, as mentioned, to upgrade poor damage, great mod items from collectors or quest rewards.

In my opinion it's a useful, but not great idea. Would only use it for my lower level chars, which by the way are in need of good damage weapons

So I'm all for it!

While I agree that upgrading a min-damage weapon should be costly, I disagree with the rates that you propose. If the game were played the first time through without help from friends, or EBay, a person would not be able to afford upgrades as they reach the areas that they can upgrade thier weapons.

While I do not feel that upgrading your first weapon should be cheap, it should be feasable without farming.

Remember, not everyone sits in LA and buys and sells till they have a full storage full of money. I realize that sellers are threatened by this idea, but proposing prices that are out of reach of playeres that do not farm 12 hours a day is obsurd.

like i said earlier, weapons have predetermined min-max dmg based on their weapon lvl 1-24...weapons should only gain level (thus increasing dmg).

anyways, the rates i made up are just a suggestion...i made up the formula really quickly...but it shouldn't be cheap because then it would defeat the purpose of farming, whether for good or for bad is not for me to decide. but it would slow down the weapon trading for sure

Excelent Idea, Im all for it!

I really had no inspiration on a good rate of cost prior to today, but I have an idea now.

If we were to compare the price of max AL armor, and max damage weapons from Draknars Forge, we would see that these items cost 5-7.5 plat. A max damage sword, with +15% while health is above 50% costs 5k plus materials. A full set of armor costs 7.5k plus materials.

I think it would be fair to charge 7.5 plat, plus materials for the upgrade from level 23 to 24. This would keep cost some where in the range of these items from NPCs. While this is still not be cheap, it would be an amount of money that is attainable without farming. A.Net has said that they are not against farmers, they want to remove the need to farm. Pricing in this way would keep the need to farm down.

Good idea!

I thought so at the time. Almost two months ago, lol. I think I still like the idea today.

Will this ever get implimented? Or does A.Net know about the idea? Or the grind it could remove? Ehh, let's hope for the best.

here's my 2 cents.

Forget about Req, lower rarity of item.

/signed

Awesome idea. One question, though, should this work on Collector's Items? I don't have an opinion one way or another, just curious what other's thought....

(I apologize if I missed this question earlier)

I don't think lowering the rarity of the items will solve this issue. This idea was created to help the person that finds a weapon that they like the looks of, but is not up to par with PvP only weapons. Frankly, this idea is to help cripple the buy and sell market and bring some balance to the economy, farmers will always find more weapons than players.

Should it apply to collector items? I think not. I say this because some collector items have special properties that are only allowed because of other lower stats.

Imagine the Henge of Denravi sword, it has an extra 5 energy, but slightly lower stats. I am sure that +5 energy and 15-22 damage +15% while health is above 50% would not only make these weapons valueable to the extent that guild wars has not seen, but would significantly shift the balance.

So, I would proplse that these upgrades only apply to weapons that are found in the world of Guild Wars.

I like this idea alot. it should be quite expensive but not more than 10k to max out a weapon. also should only be able to upgrade weapons that are customized. perhaps also you could choose what to upgrade, maybe make it max dmg, or add 2% improve cast/recharge each time you upgrade, or add to it quick recovery from condidtions? You should not be able to upgrade existing weapon mods though in this way, so that +19% longer enchanting pommel can not be upgraded to 20%.