[MERGED] Frog was in LA inter d1 today

So I've been hoarding materials, gold, rubies and sapphires for nothing? Sun of a.........well.....I guess fissure armor here I come.

how come I never see the frog!!!! !!!!

To catch the frog.

Try the international lions arch districts. Usually early morning 6am - 8 am Uk time GMT.

New info on Sorrows

Sorrow's Furnace Update


If there is a name for evil, it echoes from the walls.
If there is a glimmer of hope, it will be swallowed in the darkness.
If there is a way to get out alive, it has not yet been found.
Sorrow's Furnace ... while it burns, none of us is safe.



On Wednesday, September 7th, the way to Grenth's Footprint and Sorrow's Furnace will be open to all in Tyria. Here is what you and your fellow adventurers will find in this update:

Grenth's Footprint: A snow-covered explorable area with numerous NPCs offering challenging quests of all kinds.

Sorrow's Furnace: A depleted mine carved into the depths of the Shiverpeak Mountains, filled with many monsters and the source of rich rewards.
The Sorrow's Furnace Update is a free update for all Guild Wars players. These new areas are challenging and are intended for Ascended characters (those who have reached Level 20). To acquire this content, simply log in to Guild Wars the evening of September 7th, and you will find:

New Monsters – Some of the most challenging adversaries in Tyria lurk in the depths of Sorrow's Furnace.

New Quests – Nearly two dozen new, treacherous quests offer a unique level of replayability that encourages creative thinking and rewards you for finding novel ways to complete challenges.

New Weapons – Those who seek new weapons can find them within the subterranean depths.

New Collector's Items – Sorrow's Furnace is a source of many unique new collectible items.

New Collectors – Three new collectors will be present in the Fire Island Chain, offering XP-enhancing scrolls in exchange for certain items.

New Boss Monsters – Named by Guild Wars players, two dozen dangerous Stone Summit Dwarf leaders and their hundreds of minions await your challenge.

New Vendors – The local vendors sell items that you may have acquired in the past, but in versions that make them more useful or valuable.

New Story Quests – High-level characters crave a worthy challenge. Beyond the quests specific to Sorrow's Furnace, Ascended characters will find new trials especially for them!

Ease of Accessibility – The journey through Grenth's Footprint and Sorrow's Furnace will not be easy, but entering the area will be! There is no restriction on timing, nor is there a cost to visit the region. Enter if you dare!

If you [ANet] consider the toggeling of a purely asthetic element as important or moreso than other pressing issues your priorities are skewed indeed. Is fixing skill bugs an equally hugely popular notion? How about making your PvP actually playable to its full extent? What about fixing the entirely screwed 'economy?' What about finishing the game content? What about including features that were promised a year ago? What about adding statistics? What about making a decent AI system? What about retaining interest and players so people actually buy Chapter 2? Nobody cares about those things, but 'em on the back burner and toggle them capes!

If the frog says anything about an updated 15k tormentors set, let me know. Other than that, I really don't care.

May I politely ask that you settled down? Hold a few days and see what we do with the update, hmmmm? After all, making a sweeping and err-filled assessment of our unknown-to-you priorities would be likely to make one look foolish.

If you think the fact that we are considering toggle-able capes means we cannot possibly be considering anything else, you're just not thinking clearly! Let's put it this way: Wait until Wednesday, and then feel free to share your thoughts. BUT, when you do, make your input constructive, or all of us will just keep on moving without giving your posts a second look. Yep, there's a sure way to be listened to: You have something worth saying, and you say it in an acceptable manner. I know, it's asking a lot, but oh well...

I truly agree with The Frog, that surely those items are going to be useful for something. Armor? I cannot say. But you have not been saving them for nothing, I'm sure!

Sekkira what happened to GWPUGS?

You mean to tell me I should wait until Wednesday's update until I start bitching about wanting the updated 15k tormentors armor? *sigh* Fine, I'll wait until Wednesday if that's what Gaile thinks we should do. ...Then I'll bitch some more.

OK Gaile, if popular responses are valued, don't tell me you guys haven't seen all the requests to restore all 24 attribute refund points when in town. People have been requesting that since the first few weeks and I know I've seen it in threads moreso than toggle capes (which I support).... it in no ways disrupts any system in the current play structure, but makes it a lot easier for people to switch around their builds for various reasons.

Secondaries are easily switchable, as are the skills that support them. Why not refund the attribute points that support the skills we change around when in town? It really only affects PvP players... what's the official word on attribute refund points?

thanks gaile, i can now start collecting items for fow armor... (even if probably I won't get it before chapter 2 armors arrive... )

Gaile < Frog but only by a slight margin

3 cheers for Gaile, I'm sure that as a rep of Anet she always has to give political answers when at heart she probably just wants to say stfu...

3 cheers for Anet as well. It's obvious that there are many focuses and equally obvious that if I say "let's eat grapes" those who like oranges will be pissed off... even if I just finished saying "let's eat oranges" before that... in fact... if I'm so bold as to say "let's eat oranges and grapes" those on both sides will likely tear me to shreds.

Why does everyone think their idea is the most popular?

Maybe because all the threads on that were basically split. Some of us don't mind having to go get 250 exp to get a refund point back. Then again, some of us can handle going out and getting that exp when we need to alter our builds.

I personally see no poing in changing that system. I've not seen anyone change their attributes outside of town except when they level up, and they want to add in their new points they just aquired for higher stats overall.

It does change the scope of the game then to make it so that you can only map back to town change for free... oops, f'd up, map to another town and get 24 refund points right back.

Being able to just go to town and get all of them back would basically give unlimited refund points in that manner.

in which case you might as well eliminate them completely (which i oppose)

So you know the differance between something like toggling capes on/off and things like bumping up AI, adding new armor, switching around abilities, and "fixing" the econmy (though the economy seems fine as is)?

I'll give you a clue - one takes only weeks to program; the others takes months of programming and testing.



And I don't know about you, but I don't want a good game that's buggy as hell (see: Vampire Masquared: Bloodlines). So that does have a top priority because the fixes are usually very quick. Mabey if you'd read some of Gaile's previous posts, you'd know that half the things you are complaining about are things that are currently being worked on as we speak.

But I suppose you are too close minded to actually be able to wait for them to finish throughly programming and testing and would rather have an update that flops because it was completely buggy and rushed?

I'm Mr. Toad.

Good job missing the point. Lets try this again.

There are unresolved issues in Guild Wars that far exceed the toggleing of capes in importance. In fact, the capes issue is so minute that it shouldn't even be considered while the other issues remain.

As for testing updates etc: Its pretty clear that ANet didn't think to far when they made some updates, perticularly those pertaining to farming. You'll hear more on this after the omgnewupdate comes out.

Settle down? I beleive I have the right to be disgruntled. "err-filled assessment?" Perhaps you would like to defend that claim; I'll be more than happy to back up my side of it. Actually, I'll do my side anyway:

Skill Bugs: Virulence, Aura of the Lich (I believe)
Playable PvP: Unlocking speed, KotH tombs, real tournaments
Economy: buy/sell system, wealth distribution
Finish Game Content: 15k armor anyone?
Features Promised Never Got: Dynamic quest system, streaming updates, tournaments, etc.
Stats: I don't think I have to back this one up. GStats doesn't count.
AI System: Pets mainly. Nobody could agree that these things are smart.
Retaining Interest + Customers: Argueable. However, the Tuna-o-Meter is giving grim results.

Now of course, all these might be fixed with the late summer update. Kudus to you if they do, but untill then...

First part of this I addressed to BigTru.

As for the personal attack: There was a time when I posted in an 'acceptable manner' However, it doesn't seem that anyone payed attention then either. In fact, I am getting more of a responce by being blunt/rude. If you say that you will listen to well thought out posts, prove it and show interest in them by posting. The only places we get a responce from you is in a few game bashing threads and inane questions about future updates. Practice what you preach.

I think what most people don't realize is, that software development (and especially game development) costs a hell lot of money. You dont get all the updates/fixes u wish @Tuna ?! So ANet should hire some more programmers to work faster?! Sure... now you only tell me how they should pay them. From the non-existing monthly fee?!
Since ANet doesn't get as much money out of this game as other companies do from their projects, everything is slower and take (sometimes a lot) more time.

Attacking Gail isn't the right way as well Tuna. You're unhappy with the slow/non-existing updates?! Why is this Gail's fault?!
I think if you have to attack somebody get the attention you want you're doing something wrong youself!!!

OnTopic: I think toggling capes aren't very important as well. Some inGame pools would be usefull, so ANet can really identify problems and wishes from the community. They could e.g. make pools that are only accessible for PvP chars, so they get information from the pvp community or pools for guilds who are in the top 100, so they get informaiton from the hight end PvPers.

How are they bugged? virulence gives one more condition i believe, but aura of the lich is working fine.
They are working on trying out a faction increase, I don't think KotH is that broken. How would you set up a real tournament?!?
They are working on that as well.
Sorrows furnace is coming out, and they are working on the expansion.
There were streaming updates, Tombs could be considered a tournament. Whats a dynamic quest system?
Just press "h" to see how much faction you have collected.
And how would they fix that?
Pure opinion.

Pets need to be able to cast skills like Meteor Shower, Arcane Echo Meteor Shower, and other spells. They should also have a "morph into Power Rangers and call upon big huge fighting machines" so they wouldn't be so UNDERPOWERED.

Btw, ignore the "I Will Avenge You" build because pets are useless FTW.

It wasn't last time I used it. The "Receive half healing from all sources" bit. [Edit; I was getting full healing from all sources]

Also, there're a couple of spells with poorly worded, or HIGHLY misleading descriptions.
Crystal Wave, for example.

just to pick a bit at you

they do have streaming updates

happens all the time

that little lightning bolt in the corner? that's a streaming update

major updates can't be streamed, however

the computer can't write to what's so majorly in use, windows doesn't like that

I doubt they'd put new armor into a free expansion, unless it was like one set per class just to give people enough of a taste that they want to buy the expansion in Jan.

I think a second area with high level charr would be awesome...I find myself missing the charr once I get past Ascalon area.

I didn't miss the point, that's exactly what I was addressing - You whining about not getting what you want immediatly and not wanting them to work on the little things that make this game nice and only takes few weeks to program while working on big stuff as opposed to only, soley, focusing on big stuff, ignoring easily programmable things such as bug fixes.

Please, give me an example. The only update thus far pertaining to farming that I can only really complain about is the Trader's reset, but that's not really farming related and it worked out in the end, even if some people got away with items they shouldn't have.

Weren't you just complaining about them doing bug fixes instead of "more important" updates?


GUESS WHAT!? They said they are working on all of the above! Mabey you should read the State of the Game letter on the official website or lookup some of Gaile's previous posts.

Yep, working on it...

Working on it... Sorrow's Furnace anyone?

Working on tournaments; We do have Streaming Updates

Working on it...


Working on it... Mabey you should actually do a search before posting all your pointless whining?

So quit? Nobody cares. You certainly got your $30-$40s worth if you have been playing long enough to know all about what "they promised".

Ah... I get it... so your tactic is to b**** and moan untill you get, even though nobody cares about your whining? BRILLIANT!

I feel the same way too

I had fun helping my friends hunt Charr in my 15k Ascalon armor... just for the shear coolness factor of killing of enemies in their own skin XD

But yeah, a Charr comback would be nice. Just have Charr cousins, just like the Tengu-Aviarca thing.

I crave another match with the Charr myself. They are, I think, my favourite foe. And I don't know, the fur I collected isn't quite to my liking, so we must meet again. After all, I want THE best pair of Charr Slippers in all of Tyria.

I personally prefer my Charr bathrobe, myself. It feels so nice

But really, where are the level 24 Charr? I want a real match this time around.

Wait, she probably ignored me, I'll have to make another account :/

Have you not seen them? Why they are in the ... ah, but wait, that would be telling!

Sandals of Charr Fleeing

Armor: 60
Value: 20 gold

33% running speed increase when Charr are near you.

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Frog's Wisdom Helm

Armor: 5
Value: 2,200,000 gold

Reduces length of Dazed
All frogs in the area temporaily become your pets.

I have a strong feeling that rubies and sapphires are going to be used for the purchase of skills, not new armor

people like tuna dont RP ...

my advise to them is , go play a non online sinlge player game

i mean , why be so selfish ? if you have finish the game content , that means fissure armor etc etc , if you dont like pvp , becose you suc at it , then try to help others from the start ,,, you will see its fun , humans relations

for me is the best that the game gives , the simple fact that is online , you can actulay have fun with other humans , and for that you dont need to be in fissure or Uw , pre-searing works fine ...

on/off on capes , /signed , my guild doesnt have a cape atm becose a monk wants to see the tatus on is back , hehe


PS : I want those sandals !!!!!!!

ehm..a simple..newbie question..who..or what is "the frog"????

While we are addressing the game I think I must revisit the topic of the guild hall. I would rather see that enhanced before i see any cooler looking armor and or anything like that. I almost hope that they dont make better armor and the new update bosses harder so that anyone who fights there must think about it and work togther.

The reason i would i like to see the hall improve as it would make PvPing much more strategy based. Image in the hall if any number of guild memeber could fight each other and figure out how well spells blend. I think this would make people think of new starts because they could test them far better. I think a stash for Officers and Leader could help out too. I find myself as an officer helping out people a lot and finding things that are good that i dont need. So i could share it there with my officers and allow better distrubtion. However i can understand that this will also pose a problem in the an officer stole everything from my stash and left. I think the dev team will not do it for this reason. I also do not think you should be able to go into a rated guild match with 4 henchies. I think this servers no interest, nor the people who start it or the people who draw them. Guild wars is unquie in the 8 v8 combat and i would prefer to see that made better.

I think there should be a way to vote kick people in a group while out of town.

personally i dont understand everyones desire to be able to take off there cape but thats just me

Thought of something more
There should be more spots for chars or an easier way to unlock skills. Think about starting a new char for PvP only- 3k faction for elite another 7-10k for other skills- another 10k for runes and other add ons so 23k worth of faction. Lets say you get 300 faction from each guild win (which i think is a little high) thats over 75wins you need. If each round is done in 10mins that over 12 hours of just GvG to unlock stuff for a new char. Thats a lot of time. And based on a lot of presuppositions. The extreme weekend was great i got a lot done for some char builds i had but could not start a new one. I understand you reason for not putting it on all the time as thats a lot of faction but i think like the first weekend of every month would be good.


thats my 2 cents

increase lvl cap to 25 plz!!!

keep lvl cap at 20 plz!!!!

Grr, it wasn't talking when I was there...but whatever, i guess its because i accidently stepped on it.

sometimes the name says it all...

How about we keep the level at 20 and offer 1 Attribute mission in every expansion they release.

You get stronger, but not very fast. Just enough to keep up with the game.

Yes, and throw all balancing ever done right out the window. Brilliant!