sorry if it's common knowledge : but most people i talked to so far have not seen this pop up message before.
I was trying to get 5 dune burrower jaws for collector armour. There happened to be a dune burrower just outside thirsty river : so i went out, killed it, then reset the map. After doing this 10 times I got a pop up (the sort which happens in pre searing, for example, when you pick up your first loot) - the pop up said "repeatedly resetting a map and killing the first few monsters will cause them to run low on loot, it is better for you to play through the mission fully"
o_o
Anyone know if this is true or not? I can't say for sure, but there were a few times that particular Dune Burrower did not drop anything at all. I was only after the Burrower Jaws, so I didn't really notice any drop in quality of loot even after the 15th reset.
Wonder if this has an effect of, say, using a monk to repeatedly solo UW.
Game Devs discourage farming? new pop up msg i have not seen before
Aetherfox
Jaythen Tyradel
Maybe a implementation to suggest people to not farm repeatedly the same thing over and over.
If truly how it works, it may be an "auto-nerf" of the drops in that area.
If truly how it works, it may be an "auto-nerf" of the drops in that area.
Howling Wind
Its pretty obvious they discourage farming with all the nerfs thats going on for the past few weeks, they just don't like farming and that auto-nerf is only temporary, loots go back to normal after a while.
Shinsei
My experiences show that the decrease of drops is decided on how long you spend in each map. Usually, the time required is much lower than your typical UW farm runs, but enough to hurt troll runs (eventhough you don't care about drops here). Not 110% sure, and I don't have the time or will to put more effort into finding out because the GW economy system was created by someone with the same economics knowledge as an 8 year old, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
Sagius Truthbarron
The anti-extreme-farmer system is made so that you will get less drops the more you enter an area. The way to reset this is simply to go and do something else for 15 minutes and then come back.
This isn't a "nerf", it's just trying to stop botters.
This isn't a "nerf", it's just trying to stop botters.
Aracos79
Yeah it's more anti-bot code than anything. It's designed to stop bots who go into a zone, kill the first mob or two near the entrance, then rezone to do it again. If you clear the whole zone, or at least spend a decent amount of time in it, you shouldn't ever trigger it. I spent a whole evening clearing Perdition Rock one night and never had that problem. Of course I was slaughtering everything on the island each time though. 
Tactical-Dillusions
Aracos said it perfectly.
The pop-up is to deter people killing the same monster or group of monsters repeatedly but farming the whole zone will not cause this message.
I farmed the entire group of desert griffons in 30 consecutive runs to study the loot patterns and never received any messages.
Killing that same burrower and getting "no loot" for a long time afterwards? Yes, i have been there and done that
Even going to Ascalon, relogging or apologising over the chat channel doesn't work. I think it's a time punishment.
Do the crime...do the time.
The pop-up is to deter people killing the same monster or group of monsters repeatedly but farming the whole zone will not cause this message.
I farmed the entire group of desert griffons in 30 consecutive runs to study the loot patterns and never received any messages.
Killing that same burrower and getting "no loot" for a long time afterwards? Yes, i have been there and done that
Do the crime...do the time.
Loviatar
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"repeatedly resetting a map and killing the first few monsters will cause them to run low on loot, it is better for you to play through the mission fully"
Anyone know if this is true or not? UW. |
it is truethe second message pops up a bit later (maybe 5 more runs) and announces that the mobs will stop giving loot shortly and to play the game.
best way is to rotate your crops by having several places and going from one to the next in random order.
i got my messages going after exp on those 4 mergoyles by the zone in Kryta at at 64 each to get the level i was close to gaining
salja Wachi
yes it is normal they instituted this a couple months ago.
Judas Paladin
sad truth is, if it wasnt for farming and the ability to do so solo, this game would be a lot smaller and a lot less played
Xue Yi Liang
That's why a good farmer will rotate his/her crops.
Crowskie
Let me start by saying, I know nothing of how the code works in GW.
With that said, the problem my have something to do with server load. I'd think that the biggest draw of info off of the server is when you are creating a new instance. Even if your computer does all the work of loading and rendering, the server still has to figure out where all the baddies have spawned at and everything(I assume). The decrease in drops could have more to do with the server than farming.
With that said, the problem my have something to do with server load. I'd think that the biggest draw of info off of the server is when you are creating a new instance. Even if your computer does all the work of loading and rendering, the server still has to figure out where all the baddies have spawned at and everything(I assume). The decrease in drops could have more to do with the server than farming.
Red Sonya
Nope, it's from farming like a bot for sure. And has been said rotating your crops (farm areas) is the way to prevent it or get reduced drops for that area. You're basically cheating and manipulating the mechanics of the game when you try to farm that way, go out kill a couple of mobs, zone back in rince and repeat and they discourage this and have implemented a catchall that detects this from players when they do it. It's mostly for bots, but, as the OP found it it can happen to the common joe as well when they try to exploit the system/mechanics of the game. Good job A-Net. 
Tuna
Yes, the are against having to farm. To counter this, they implement abysmal drop rates and punish you for killing the same monsters over and over.
Numa Pompilius
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sorry if it's common knowledge : but most people i talked to so far have not seen this pop up message before.
- the pop up said "repeatedly resetting a map and killing the first few monsters will cause them to run low on loot, it is better for you to play through the mission fully" |
EDIT: On the other hand, leaving hints enabled, lets you know when it's time to move to another area...
tripplesix
i got that msg the first time days before the big nerf on june 29 but not recently.
Soul Shaker
Oh...so that's how to turn off those annoying help messages. They've pissed me off so many times i pre-sear, i was looking for how to turn it off.....never seen it in options though.
lasteele
Hell i get that msg at least once a week since sf has been around.The green has mad me an evil evil man.My solution is to play a different char for a day or two then go back to farming with the original.
Doctor Death
What if a farmer joins a group doing a quest/mission or whatever that he has just been farming. Put another way I wonder if the decreased drops caused by the farmer overfarming an area follows him into a group and as a consequence affects the drops of the entire team.
*Read the names of my group with a sense of paranoia*
*Read the names of my group with a sense of paranoia*
chippxero
Surely if you want the jaws enough you'd be better to farm the 4 that around that small area, sure there are a few scarabs(sp?) but they arn't much trouble if you only have to fight 2-3.
This is what i've been doing to get jade mandables and burrowers jaws and i have never had that message as i am guessing i am out there long enough.
This is what i've been doing to get jade mandables and burrowers jaws and i have never had that message as i am guessing i am out there long enough.
Kauh
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That's why a good farmer will rotate his/her crops.
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This same method applies to produce good 420.
jibikao
I think the idea is great!!! At least it prevents those bots...somehow. I am glad that A.Net is doing something.
Loviatar
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omg. too funny. coming from a family of RL farmers and gardeners myself. rofl
This same method applies to produce good 420. |
welcome.i think you may enjoy the people here at least as much as ....that other place...
i garden as well
grim reefer
lol, the sad truth is, in there atempts to make it more of a "social game", they've destroyed the comfidence there true followers had in them. in there attempts to make it so more people play insted of farm, there killing the economy of the game. it's having the same effect the american economy (only using it because im there) should they pass a law saying that you cannot do any given job without having atleast 5 other people helping you and shareing the profit. the mods and the other people controling the game are going the way of the george w., there sending the game into a downward spiral of inflated prices along with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer
The Unknown Enemy
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lol, the sad truth is, in there atempts to make it more of a "social game", they've destroyed the comfidence there true followers had in them. in there attempts to make it so more people play insted of farm, there killing the economy of the game. it's having the same effect the american economy (only using it because im there) should they pass a law saying that you cannot do any given job without having atleast 5 other people helping you and shareing the profit. the mods and the other people controling the game are going the way of the george w., there sending the game into a downward spiral of inflated prices along with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer
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Sir Skullcrasher
I haven't seen this message when i was at Sorrow Furnace 5 times in a row!
wilebill
In WOW repeatedly resetting an instance can get you banned for an extended period of time, like two weeks would you believe?
The economy of GW needs a lot of work. It should not be necessary to farm as much as most of us do. Try collecting five bleached shells sometime, ooo what fun!
The economy of GW needs a lot of work. It should not be necessary to farm as much as most of us do. Try collecting five bleached shells sometime, ooo what fun!
Theos
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In WOW repeatedly resetting an instance can get you banned for an extended period of time, like two weeks would you believe?
The economy of GW needs a lot of work. It should not be necessary to farm as much as most of us do. Try collecting five bleached shells sometime, ooo what fun! |
H2SO4
but discouraging the *only* mehtod of getting 15K or FoW armour is rediculous
Tiq
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but discouraging the *only* mehtod of getting 15K or FoW armour is rediculous
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theyre not discouraging farming, theyre trying to counter bots who continually farm the same area over and over.
Why are you even complaining? how hard is it to go to another area and farm, even if only for 15 minutes, if your so obsessed with farming the same area.
Also, to those of you saying farming is too hard, thats your personal experience, Ive never had to farm a place more than two or three times, when looking for specific materials for armor or whatever. *maybe some of you arent salvaging enough? just a thought)
Believej00
Hate to sound noobish...but can someone explain nerfing?
AtlasLingua
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The economy of GW needs a lot of work. It should not be necessary to farm as much as most of us do. Try collecting five bleached shells sometime, ooo what fun! |
hilkos
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
LOL! It's the auto-help, it's simply a helpful tip, not an ominous warning. Go into 'options'/'control setup' and check 'disable hints' and you wont get the warning. I'm guessing most people never see it because most disable hints way back in pre-searing.
EDIT: On the other hand, leaving hints enabled, lets you know when it's time to move to another area... |
"you are repeatedly attacking the same creature, try attacking once and see wat happens" or something in this line. Just remember that loot is decreasing if you do this and put off the hints like numa said.
aron searle
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Last I checked it wasn't necessary to farm. The only reason you would farm is for those "leet" golds/greens or looks. Other than that farming is not "necessary".
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playing the game is not "necessary", I always find that argument so pointless.
D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
I got that message when i was farming trolls
too bad the "loot" I was going for was 504 xp per guy, cant nerf that
I Belive I got after a million xp from trolls alone...
But the reason for this was combating the bot users from over farming a place like Twin Serpent Lakes(outside Riverside Prov.)
too bad the "loot" I was going for was 504 xp per guy, cant nerf that
I Belive I got after a million xp from trolls alone...
But the reason for this was combating the bot users from over farming a place like Twin Serpent Lakes(outside Riverside Prov.)
neoteo
sounds to me like a anti farm bot code ...
Ashleigh McMahon
I think they are trying to nerf it, and I think they should.
Players shouldn't be allowed to repeatedly kill spawn of monsters to aquire gold.
Ash.
Players shouldn't be allowed to repeatedly kill spawn of monsters to aquire gold.
Ash.
Lasher Dragon
Anyone else notice that this thread is 3 months old?
I remember the first time I saw the pop-up; I had rezoned to kill one of those drakes near Fisherman's Bay about 5 or 6 times.
I remember the first time I saw the pop-up; I had rezoned to kill one of those drakes near Fisherman's Bay about 5 or 6 times.
Kai Nui
If they just got rid of all 15K armours, Vigor, Absorbtion, Golden items, Green items, Upgrades, Ectos, Obsidian, FoW and UW then we'd have no reason to farm. Droknors armor is so easy to get, and no one would be worrying about getting any other special runes.
Seriously, this game just gets more ridiculous day after day. Buy money off ebay while you still can, prices will rise. (I am against buying money off ebay, but now I'm starting to wonder... do I have a choice?)
Seriously, this game just gets more ridiculous day after day. Buy money off ebay while you still can, prices will rise. (I am against buying money off ebay, but now I'm starting to wonder... do I have a choice?)