Observation: less teams playing in tombs?

ElderAtronach

ElderAtronach

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/Me

So I'm running with the guys I usually tomb with, and in the past few days, we've been bumped ahead to the halls far more often than we've ever been in the past. I remember a few runs where we only had to fight 2 rounds before getting pushed into HoH, and there was one time we got there right after the unworthy round.

Is anyone else noticing this? I know it was possible to get pushed ahead in the past, but now it seems like it's happening more often. Perhaps related to "faction withdrawal" after PVPX?

Phades

Phades

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Why do you think pvp "incentives" were placed in there in the first place?

Autumn_Leaf

Autumn_Leaf

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Taunton, Mass.

the pvp x is over but it probably has to do more with that school just started a week ago.
last week my guild had ~5-7 people on at all times.
now we have like 1 maybe 2 if lucky. i wasn't on all week until today, and i usually play alot ea. day. just wait for the weekends or vacation time.

Kai Nui

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

I've noticed that I've been bumped up after unworthy to hall several times late at night. Depends on when you play, being what time of day and what time of year.

stryphe

stryphe

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Brutananadilewski Clan [Carl]

Mo/Me

I haven't been going to the tombs lately. I stopped after smiting teams and spirit spammers. Don't get me wrong, they are brilliant builds, that I never though of, wish I had, but I didn't. I also don't like fighting them. I'm not one of those "if you can't beat them join them people".... I just don't bother with it. I like balanced teams, that's how I like to play. But my way is not so favored so my PvP hours, are spent in random and team arenas and some GvG.

Weezer_Blue

Weezer_Blue

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Just a Box in a Cage

Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]

I can nearly count on going from the anti-whimp round to the Hall of Heroes if I do it late at night.

ElderAtronach

ElderAtronach

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/Me

That's the thing though, I always do tombs "late at night", so all my observations have been done from that perspective and time frame. We've never been bumped this much in the past...

/shrug

School starting may be a big culprit, I guess.

Spartan2

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

The Intarweb

Wrath of Nature [WoN]

E/Mo

Yes, this happened to my guild while doing a tombs run today, at 7pm Eastern. We went straight to Tombs right after he first match, which was a 1v1 Flawless. It was a pretty even fight in Tombs but I hate to see all of these Smiting/Healing Ball builds. While it is strategy, it doesn't take away the absolute cheapness of it. /shakesfist at Ascalon Electric Company and the other team we fought. At least we got revenge on AEC for beating us earlier by keeping them from winning.

Ristaron

Ristaron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Canada, eh?

Legion Of Valhalla

E/

I need to start PvPing more at night, then...

And, by the way, it's "fewer teams in Tombs lately". If you can count something it's a factor of 'many', if it's uncountable (such as grains of sand on a beach, of blades of grass on a field) then it's a factor of 'much'.
I don't mean to be a stickler, but a lot of people make this mistake and hopefully posting something will remind them... or let them know.

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

Every time i got to find a group everyone is looking for TS people only.. perhaps the lack of skilled typing teams is the reason less people join in, i know thats why i never do it..

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
Every time i got to find a group everyone is looking for TS people only.. perhaps the lack of skilled typing teams is the reason less people join in, i know thats why i never do it..
Agreed... I as well is put off by people asking for TS or Vent... I been in great PUGs which weren't using voice and did great

Mumblyfish

Mumblyfish

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Blighty

Kansas City Hotsteppers [KCHS]

Withdrawal of Faction isn't enough to kill Tombs. People PvP because they enjoy it, not because they're after unlocks. My guess is the overreliance on Smiting is causing the sharp decline in interest; it's why I'm not playing, and many others in my Guild aren't, either. Pretty sure we're not alone, there. Tombs is now the same thing, every round. If I wanted mind-numbing repetition and inevitability, I'd play PvE all over again.

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

I need voice com so that the surrounded monk can yell for a smiter to take the heat off of him. I don't smite for a team without voice coms. I'll prot or heal. My own guild has decided to goof around with a warrior build. *rollseyes* Since I don't melee AT ALL, I get to play healer for their latest one-trick pony.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Question... Why do people use Teamspeak, when Ventrilo has much better sound quality and is free? I don't get it.

Kampfkeks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Question... Why do people use Teamspeak, when Ventrilo has much better sound quality and is free? I don't get it.
Because the "fact" about sound quality is pure imagination and it gest down to personal flavor and brand. Don't start yet another holy war please. Both programs are fine and good as they are. Chose your own favorite but don't try to preach others.

/Edit:
What REALLY Is killing tombs is the elitist attitude.

Experienced group looking for monk, Rank 6+.
Bam. Yeah great. You can't get into tombs if you haven't allready been before. It is just natural for longtime players to lose interest in tombs. But with the current blocking of newer players you are killing your own income of fresh players and teams.
The Tombs are getting deserted this way but i doubt people will change.
I know of a few friends of mine who gave up trying to do tombs just because everyone expected them to be Rank 6 and higher.

ElderAtronach

ElderAtronach

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/Me

1.) Teamspeak is also free. Whoever said it wasn't was misinformed
2.) Some people's microphones hate Ventrilo. And Ventrilo hates them back. I personally know of several people that cannot get their mic to respond well to Vent, while it works perfectly on TS.

/shrug

Diomedes

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Blue Island (think Chicago)

Me/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Question... Why do people use Teamspeak, when Ventrilo has much better sound quality and is free? I don't get it.
In addition to the other reasons mentioned, TS Server is much easier to set up. I opened the right ports in my firewall, forwarded the requests to the right computer on my network, and I was done. Vent server continued to mysteriously drop people every five minutes for no reason (and vent support was awful).

Additionally, a free TS server can man 16 people IIRC vs Vent at 8.

Finally, TS often has less lag in my experience.

Although I will grant you, I far prefer the sound quality of vent over TS.

-Diomedes

Zuggy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Pocatello, Idaho

Team FahQ

R/Me

I personally think sound quality for vent is in your imagination. I have both Vent and TS and they use the same codecs, unless Vent can run them at higher sound quality, which would explain the additional lag.

I mostly use TS because that's what my clan and guild use.

Kampfkeks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Seriously people. LET'S NOT START ANOTHER HOLY WAR ABOUT TS VERSUS VENT. Damn, you made my Capslock get stuck -.-

The topic was about the teaming situation in tombs, not about which of those voicetools is better.

Phades

Phades

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diomedes
Although I will grant you, I far prefer the sound quality of vent over TS.
Under which codex are you comparing? Both of them can make the speaker sound like a fuzzy or garbled c-3po with someone standing on his nuts.

Only with vent i had to worry about feedback errors though, depending on setup ,while on TS worked better with fewer adjustments.

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kampfkeks
What REALLY Is killing tombs is the elitist attitude.

Experienced group looking for monk, Rank 6+.
Bam. Yeah great. You can't get into tombs if you haven't allready been before. It is just natural for longtime players to lose interest in tombs. But with the current blocking of newer players you are killing your own income of fresh players and teams.
The Tombs are getting deserted this way but i doubt people will change.
I know of a few friends of mine who gave up trying to do tombs just because everyone expected them to be Rank 6 and higher.
I agree with this.. nothing is worse than going in with a rank N/A team speakless character and hearing " Looking for W w/ TS rank 3 only"

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

Our guild also quit playing in tombs..
Going up agaisnt the same team over and over again is quite boring..
Hmm..this is the same reason why I quit MTG when The Mirrodin block came out..

Phades

Phades

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The desire not to drop a few hundred dollars per expansion was a better reason to quit mtg.

crimsonfilms

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

School people. Pure and simple. Agrivated by the fact that it takes a lot of time to prepare and play HoH.

Several guilds I know have their members not playing as often and at late nights because of school. One of our officers can't log on because he just entered college and needs time to get settled in.

Ask some of the guilds. They wiill tell you that many members are not as active (especially in HS/college age level).

Spartan2

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

The Intarweb

Wrath of Nature [WoN]

E/Mo

It seems that more and more idiots are playing in tombs, which creates a huge divide between the guilds playing and the PuGs from hell. I guess I just get bad luck or something with these groups. However, there is little to no activity during the day anymore. I can no longer test out my builds and see how they work with a dedicated group. This is killing new strategies that could pop-up because everyone wants to play Standard of the Day and will not play anything but.

Divinitys Creature

Divinitys Creature

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Somewhere between the Real World and Tyria ;P

The Gothic Embrace [Goth]

Vent > TS :^P

rii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

UK

Hmmmm, the last few pugs ive been in have actually had varying degrees of success, but now I think about it the reason is because the teams we face are godawful. A lot didnt even have monks, which while technically possible and somewhat original seems a little outlandish.
(vent>ts /signed)

BunnyMaster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Holland

Army of Fairies

R/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by rii
Hmmmm, the last few pugs ive been in have actually had varying degrees of success
/signed
Last groups actually did all the ordinary things: questioning about skillbars, trying out combinations, rearranging group-order etc. etc. This will sound like ubern00b, but it actually was an eye-opener for me to see that this happens with PUG's as well.

Some guilds (like my own) have too many different timezones and/or ppl going back to school to make their own Tombs-group. That's why I have to play with PUG's mainly, which can be a pleasant surprise at some times.




TS > Vent /signed

ElderAtronach

ElderAtronach

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/Me

Thanks for the input, but seriously, the next person who brings up TS vs Vent will get a virtual size 10 up their virtual rear end.

Have a nice day

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Thank goodness school started back, it's been much more peaceful and a lot less noobs since it started back. I make sure and play during school hours now and find the nicest people and the best people to group with now. But, when 330 eastern hits, it's time for tv. Besides football season is here as well.

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

I finaly got into the tombs today... i don't mean to team bash but my leader had no clue what he was doing... he made us try with no monk on our team... possible its people like that who drive people away. I know im sure not in a hurry to go back and lose for an hour staight

INFERNO2K

INFERNO2K

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Toronto

Clan of Elders COE

E/Me

Exploiting smite builds.