Crazy Or Stupid Build?

magmore

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04 Sep 2005 at 17:44 - 1

wolfy3455

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04 Sep 2005 at 18:27 - 2

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Originally Posted by magmore

Ok , I have played this game for a bit now .
I never played PVP before but this game got me hooked . went from 9 -20 all pvp .
Now I'm doing some missions cause frankly I'm broke .
Anyway here is my build . I am looking for comments , advice , whatever .
warrior primary , ranger secondary .
sklills are str13, swd12, a smidge in tactics and beastmastery 3 and 4 if memory serves. I use a sword and shield .
I take with me the rez sig, gash, sever artery, tigers fury, endure pain, power attack, sprint , and I will avenge you, .
I am starting to think this is not the best I can do.
Maybe I should respec for tactics?
TIA First off, your weapon mastery is much more important than strength. It adds damage to your attack skills as well as your weapon damage. Also, swords generally aren't that good outside of niche builds; however, if you insist on using a sword, add galrash slash and final thrust for your spike. Endure pain isn't that great; there's just too much downtime as well as the fact that if you're being targeted, your team has probably lost. Using a skill that requires your teamates to be dead to be good is probably a bit stupid. Tactics is mainly only good for shouts and PvE. Defensive stances are wasted damaging slots on a pvp warrior.

I'm not going to comment on TF, but if you feel like reading on why a certain other speed buff is more useful, use search.

Mercury Angel

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04 Sep 2005 at 19:06 - 3

I'm confused. You have a lot of poor starter skills you get early on, and then Tiger's Fury, which isn't available until the desert o_O

What exactly do you have at this point to work with?

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04 Sep 2005 at 19:55 - 4

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I'm confused. You have a lot of poor starter skills you get early on, and then Tiger's Fury, which isn't available until the desert o_O

What exactly do you have at this point to work with? I think his reasoning behind is that, the more crappy skills I spam, the crappiness will add up to something good. Actual fact is, the more crappy skills you spam, the crappier you will be.

Now for some real advice. Snoop around the forums for some R/W or W/R builds. You won't find too many sword users here though.

magmore

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04 Sep 2005 at 19:56 - 5

Thanks for the info . I may have missed out on some skills as I jumped from 9-20 almost entirely pvp . I am at work atm and will list all my skills a little later .
I have two swords one extends deep wounds and one extends bleeding .
I swap them for gash and sever artery. I hit TF as hitting faster seems to charge my skills faster it lasts 7 second 33% faster and recharges pretty quickly . IF they are casting I use power attack . I always go after the runners and they usually die . I now see that it is more their bad playing than my good playing which allows me to win in that instance .
I always use rez on the first person down . I have once or twice pulled our team out defeat to victory using "I will avenge you " .
I originally though a pet would be cool . Takes up to many slots though.
Hopefully we will get more input when I list what skills I have . I have 3 sp to spend . and 24 refund points to respec . Also a gold tactics shield I would like to try .

xpuppetmaster

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04 Sep 2005 at 20:23 - 6

This build is pretty stupid. First of all, sword wars do about zero damage and can be ignored by good monks. They help make heals bigger by applying crappy conditions. Also, whats the point of having sprint and tigers fury? Any good monk will rend your tigers fury useless. Use frenzy instead. The fact that you res the first person down means that you have potential. Most people that play random arena don't realize there isn't frozen soil.

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04 Sep 2005 at 20:27 - 7

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First of all, sword wars do about zero damage and can be ignored by good monks.

Wrong.

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Also, whats the point of having sprint and tigers fury? Any good monk will rend your tigers fury useless. Wow yeah, all Monks carry Wild Blow ftw. Even Mo/Mes, OMFG.

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Use frenzy instead. Absolutely correct, use Frenzy instead of Tiger's Fury because they will only stop Tiger's Fury, which is a stance for some odd reason.

rii

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04 Sep 2005 at 20:27 - 8

Sword warriors dont do zero damage, in fact they average somewhat higher than that.
However, this build, which uses sever artery, gash and power attack, is not quite at mex efficiency.

xpuppetmaster

Ascalonian Squire

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04 Sep 2005 at 20:43 - 9

Wow you must be really good at this game!!! I have never seen a sword war kill anything. It's hilarious when they go off and try to solo our priest and just still there attacking in vain for 5 min. I'd like to thank all the pvp sword wars for there condition spamming that make healing so much more efficient.

Whats the point of tigers fury? So you can attack faster I assume. Well omg maybe you didn't notice, but tigers fury disables sprint. Anyone that is half way decent will just be saying k thx bye. If you frenzy and someone runs just hit sprint, you lose the frenzy but at least still do damage.

rii

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04 Sep 2005 at 20:46 - 10

He says hes doing missions, which i assume is pve. Therefore, as a warrior (unless there are tanks around) hes the best candidate to stand at the front, and taking double damage isnt the best thing there. tf gets around that, and in pve sprint isnt too necessary unless your running places

thekolman

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04 Sep 2005 at 21:08 - 11

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Originally Posted by UberRusty

Wow yeah, all Monks carry Wild Blow ftw. Even Mo/Mes, OMFG. I think when he is referring to rending tiger's fury, he means simply running from them since they won't have a run buff up.

magmore

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04 Sep 2005 at 22:15 - 12

I seem to have stirred things .
As far as a monk is concerned if I want em I usually get em .
Of course there are the easy ones that run . I do not use TF in conjunction with Sprint . I save that for when they run , and they frequently do .
I have done virtually no PVE since 9 its all been PVP , And have been succesfull . I have had several very long runs before I was even 20 .
Nothing sweeter than kickin a noobs but at 16 .
I always attributed it to me being lucky and them being noobs .
I have gotton many props for doing good work and not even being 20 .
I have not done team pvp and do want to be very succesful there. I just dont want to another w/Mo like SO SO many .

UberRusty

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04 Sep 2005 at 23:29 - 13

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I think when he is referring to rending tiger's fury, he means simply running from them since they won't have a run buff up.

A R/W can afford to run Hamstring.

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04 Sep 2005 at 23:38 - 14

Power attack is a great skill... when you're lvl 6. Use final thrust instead. As said, "I Will Avenge You!" isn't a great skill for pvp. Drop tactics too, unless you need them for your shield. Switch TF with frenzy. The 2x dmg isnt important when you're not being attacked. That way you can move the points from beastmastery into whatever else you need. So basically replace everything but sever, gash and rez sig.

xpuppetmaster

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04 Sep 2005 at 23:56 - 15

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I do not use TF in conjunction with Sprint

Because you can't. Once you use TF it is physcially impossible to use Sprint until TF ends, which means they can run from you if they are aware and you can't chase and still do damage.

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A R/W can afford to run Hamstring. Wow, who's the inexperienced one? Are you use to playing comp arenas where mend aliment is a rare commodity and hex removal hasn't even been invented? I can tell you if cripple stays in a monk for more than 1-2 seconds your team blows.

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No wonder you sound inexperienced, all you play is Comp Arena. wtf are you talking about? Last time I checked team areans and tombs had priests. As for sword wars killing nothing it's not that complicated. They have one good skill, Final Thurst. It's not to hard to count adren to set up for a prot spirit or guardian.

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05 Sep 2005 at 00:48 - 16

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Wow, who's the inexperienced one? Are you use to playing comp arenas where mend aliment is a rare commodity and hex removal hasn't even been invented? I can tell you if cripple stays in a monk for more than 1-2 seconds your team blows.

Still you. Do you realise that I said a R/W can AFFORD, not that OMG IT WEEL PWNZ EVERIFING LOLOLOLX.

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wtf are you talking about? Last time I checked team areans and tombs had priests. As for sword wars killing nothing it's not that complicated. They have one good skill, Final Thurst. It's not to hard to count adren to set up for a prot spirit or guardian. GOOD. WARRIOR. MONKS. DON'T. RUN. OFF. If all you do is invite n00b W/Mos, why the hell are you bitching?

xpuppetmaster

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05 Sep 2005 at 00:50 - 17

the only reason they can afford to have it is because all their other skills are so ungodly aweful. just because they can afford to have it doesn't make it good. good warrior monks? the only reason i can think for having a war monk is if you are using str and honor or want to look like a newb to throw the other team off. if i am wrong please share with me a "good warrior monk" build. usually war monks run off because they realize they are so gimped they can't damage anything so try their luck with the priest.

UberRusty

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05 Sep 2005 at 00:55 - 18

I refuse to outright flame people. It is not proper, everybody starts out a n00b. Maybe when you win more Team Arenas, you will realise that not every W/Mo is a useless n00b.

Bast

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05 Sep 2005 at 01:20 - 19

NooberRusty:
Instead you'll make ridiculous posts like "Wow yeah, all Monks carry Wild Blow ftw. Even Mo/Mes, OMFG." or "GOOD. WARRIOR. MONKS. DON'T. RUN. OFF." or "A R/W can afford to run Hamstring." Thank god you're not trying to "outright flame people."

Wild Blow isn't even a counter to TF; oh noes, they can recast it in 5 seconds and you blew all your adrenaline doing it. Great tactic. Why do that when you can just run from the Warrior for the 5 seconds his TF locked his Sprint out? Stupid, stupid stupid!

Posting in all caps makes you seem like you know what you're talking about when it's pretty obvious your limited intelligence is paired with an overly high self esteem

The original poster is a W/R. Why would you post stupidity like R/Ws? Hamstring is a lousy substitute for the sprint your newbie TF locks you out of anyway. Stop being a pussy and run Frenzy.

To the OP:
Drop Endure Pain and Power attack for Galrath Slash and Final Thrust. Keep your Sword attribute at 12+minor rune+helmet (14), drop Strength down a bit to the 8-10 range and use the liberated points on something from your secondary or stick it in Tactics for some defensive stances since you're doing PVE. Bonetti's Defense is quite good in PVE.

thekolman

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05 Sep 2005 at 01:28 - 20

Instead of calling puppetmaster a n00b, why don't you actually refute what he is saying. Right now he is stating why he thinks W/Mo's are bad (rightfully so), and all you are doing is calling him a n00b comp. arena runner.

puppetmaster: "why would you be a W/Mo, your secondary skills are subpar, (insert valid points)"

uber rusty: "you are just a n00b obviously, i don't have to talk to you anymore, get some more experience and then maybe we can continue later."

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05 Sep 2005 at 01:36 - 21

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Wild Blow isn't even a counter to TF; oh noes, they can recast it in 5 seconds and you blew all your adrenaline doing it. Great tactic. Why do that when you can just run from the Warrior for the 5 seconds his TF locked his Sprint out? Stupid, stupid stupid!

You do realise I was being sarcastic right?

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Posting in all caps makes you seem like you know what you're talking about when it's pretty obvious your limited intelligence is paired with an overly high self esteem As is a big ego.

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The original poster is a W/R. Why would you post stupidity like R/Ws? Hamstring is a lousy substitute for the sprint your newbie TF locks you out of anyway. Stop being a pussy and run Frenzy. "Stop being a pussy and run Frenzy." <-- I like that. But being a pussy, wins the game. And it's the game we're playing. I already said I am of the Tiger's Fury > Frenzy mentality. And it's been argued so many times that I don't wish to waste time on such an overly sized ego forumer such as you. And why would I post "stupidity such as R/Ws?" Maybe because I'm offering advice, as he is new to the game he may not have played a R/W? And maybe, if he runs R/W he can afford to run Tiger's Fury?

Have a cookie.

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Instead of calling puppetmaster a n00b, why don't you actually refute what he is saying. Right now he is stating why he thinks W/Mo's are bad (rightfully so), and all you are doing is calling him a n00b comp. arena runner. W/Mos are not bad. That's like saying Healers are bad. People who think W/Mos are bad are because they CHOOSE bad W/Mos. Why don't you go, get a bunch of PvP buddies, and ask one of them to W/Mo. I'm sure you'll have a great time.

And what kind of "Experienced Player" would make a statement such as; Swords do zero damage.

thekolman

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05 Sep 2005 at 01:44 - 22

Wow, so much for it being improper to flame people. There is just so much irony in that post, rusty, I don't really think I have to explain. This thread is probably gonna be closed soon since it has downgraded back to a TF vs. frenzy debate, but it was very entertaining while it lasted!

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05 Sep 2005 at 01:45 - 23

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This thread is probably gonna be closed soon since it has downgraded back to a TF vs. frenzy debate, but it was very entertaining while it lasted! Don't think it didn't entertain me.

thekolman

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05 Sep 2005 at 01:54 - 24

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Originally Posted by UberRusty

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05 Sep 2005 at 02:03 - 25

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Why are you comparing a W/Mo to a healer? It's more like saying "R/W's are bad". If I was going to make a W/Mo, I'd use 7 warrior skills and a rez signet. But that's not a W/Mo, it's just a warrior. I still have yet to see you post on what makes a monk class a worthy secondary to use as a warrior.

I'm comparing it in terms of YOU saying that x/x is bad. Remember how people used to think Rangers sucked shit? Then came the Ranger prime time? Now Ranger builds are dying off a bit, but still used.

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Swords don't do zero damage, Exactly my point.

Bast

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05 Sep 2005 at 02:03 - 26

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Originally Posted by UberRusty

W/Mos are not bad. That's like saying Healers are bad. People who think W/Mos are bad are because they CHOOSE bad W/Mos. Why don't you go, get a bunch of PvP buddies, and ask one of them to W/Mo. I'm sure you'll have a great time.

And what kind of "Experienced Player" would make a statement such as; Swords do zero damage. No, that's like saying Warriors that heal themselves are bad, which they are. The typical W/Mo does shit damage and everyone knows this because the Paladin build is, for lack of a better term, shit. Sword's only really good damage combo is Galrath+Final Thrust, and while strong in some situations, a lot of the time using it is wasteful because you won't get the full damage out of it. A warrior running Strength of Honor is okay though. Note the lack of self-healing.

The only time I'd even consider running a sword warrior in PVP is if the team build needed someplace to stick an elite other than the obvious choices for axe and hammer. Hamstring is okay, but there's way better and harder to counter snares out there.

And maybe the OP is running a Warrior primary because that's what he has, not some ridiculous gimped sword R/W with Apply Poison and a bunch of energy skills for "spamming." Get out of here.

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05 Sep 2005 at 02:11 - 27

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No, that's like saying Warriors that heal themselves are bad, which they are. The typical W/Mo does shit damage and everyone knows this because the Paladin build is, for lack of a better term, shit.

LOL @ this. WHAT? Who said that I supported Mending W/Mos? Smiting W/Mos is what I support.

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And maybe the OP is running a Warrior primary because that's what he has, not some ridiculous gimped sword R/W with Apply Poison and a bunch of energy skills for "spamming." Get out of here. LOL @ this. Have you even tried putting some thought into a GOOD R/W. And I know what you're thinking. "There is no good SWORD R/W."

xpuppetmaster

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05 Sep 2005 at 02:18 - 28

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"There is no good SWORD R/W." Yep thats right, there isn't and their aren't any good smiting w/mo other than those using only one skill, str and honor, which I already commented on. I can't comprehend how you actually thought when I said swords do zero damage you throuhgt I meant zero (as in -0). Are you a complete moron or what, of course they do some damage, but compare to an axe or hammer war their dam output is terrible and their attack speed doesn't make up for it. All you do is talk, why don't you post some builds to help out the OP. I'm not posting any because I don't there are any seriously good sword builds.

There are a few things when pvping I can look for and say yep, instant win. On that list is metor shower, firestorm, frag builds, w/r and r/w.

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05 Sep 2005 at 02:47 - 29

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I can't comprehend how you actually thought when I said swords do zero damage you throuhgt I meant zero (as in -0).

Yes and when people tell me to piss off I actually go and try and urinate in the toilet.

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Are you a complete moron or what, of course they do some damage, but compare to an axe or hammer war their dam output is terrible and their attack speed doesn't make up for it. Oh absolutely, I am a moron and I apologize for this. You are absolutely right, supreme leader. I will kiss your every word on the monitor, nevermind the radiation, and worship your every post in this forum.

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All you do is talk, why don't you post some builds to help out the OP. I'm not posting any because I don't there are any seriously good sword builds. Actually, all all we do is type. What else do you think we do? Oh wait, that's right, get angry and flame each other. You guys can do that, I'll laugh my way through. And I've posted some good sword builds for PvE (not that you would take a look at what I've done, you're intent on flaming me) But not for PvP. Because I don't use swords in PvP for damage. I use them because others players's builds compliment my build.

smurfhunter

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my w/mo uses mending, orison, and healing breeze. you cant kill him.

Sand Scorpions [SS]

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05 Sep 2005 at 02:55 - 30

ive been killed by a sword warrior plenty, and im not afraid to admit it. even the nooby ones with mending. what i think people are trying to get at is that other weapons are just that much better.

and yea i did see a warrior who had like 4/8 smiting skills (i was hit by smite, symbol of wrath, bane signet, etc) and although i dont think it was a completely fair 1-1 doppleganger style fight, yes i was owned.

does that mean sword/smite warriors are good? no, and it doesnt mean they suck.

the point i think is that any sword build can be switched to axe/hammer and be at least the same (usually better). and honestly, what do you mean by a sword warrior 'complimenting' another build... like what exactly is that supposed to mean? can you give me a brief example?

and if a warrior isnt supposed to do damage in pvp.. what is he suppoed to do... no one intentionally goes for them first anyway.... (im not counting some necro dumping spitefull on a warrior or something)

if you could clear up those points it would help alot, thanks

xpuppetmaster

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05 Sep 2005 at 03:02 - 31

Maybe Spinal Shivers is what he means, but that is a complete waste of a character slot and probably would only work against newbie teams.

thekolman

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05 Sep 2005 at 04:00 - 32

Swords don't do zero damage,

Exactly my point.

Way to distort (haha a gw connection!) the actual point of my paragraph. You'd make a good politician.

All I see here from you are lots of cute comeback one-liners and lots of "my W/Mo is a valuable player, seriously!", but no reasons backing that up. If it is some super secret build, don't worry I won't copy it.

The Red Griffin

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05 Sep 2005 at 08:02 - 33

In my opinion, the reason people are having such a hard time accepting sword warriors as good spots in a pvp lineup is because, as people have said, you don't see enough good builds. I'm not saying there are, and I'm not saying there arn't. I wouldn't be surprised if there is one, just waiting to be found. But I have yet to see one, and I play a warrior primary. In all my experimenting, the reason I'd want a sword is to build up adrenaline for my stances. Although, I would not knock a cripple skill or somthing that would keep the enemy close by. I think no one has really, truely, tried to do a good pvp sword warrior, and kept with it for an amount of time.

Another reason is that Anet has gotten its priorities misaligned. Sure, swords work faster than anything else, but just not fast enough to make them better than the axes damage output. That, and the lack of power behind the sword skills make them almost obselete compared to other skills from axe or hammer. Anet tried to balance out the other classes, but they have made too many counters to warriors, and not enough things warriors can do to counter other classes without help from a secondary profession. At best, a warrior useing a sword can annoy someone with bleeding, deep wound, and cripple. Also as stated before, that doesn't mean too much to a healer.

Edit - Also, does apply poison work for poisoning your swords? If so, thats a good degen to throw up onto a monk or somthing. Just a thought.

Vusak

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05 Sep 2005 at 13:37 - 34

W/Me 16 Sword 9 Strength 10 Domination (zealous haft and vampiric haft) for pvp
Hundred Blades
Savage Slash
Pure Strike
Hamstring
Frenzy
Sprint
Blackout
Resig

basically you just run around being smited off and ruin the day of a caster. given that blackout is total shutdown - best target would be a mesmer because they are the most likely to be able to circumvent other shutdown methods.

90% of the time when blackout finishes on your target they will cast something, so savage slash half a second after blackout drops. use the blackout down time to renew hamstring if needed, use pure strike for melee ward, renew frenzy, and use hundred blades in a group to get heaps of energy.

this will not work in a QZ environment though.

you could equally use flurry - as long as youre hitting to provide energy - the damage will add up over time.

also a good way to stop a ghostly hero from capping

Eet GnomeSmasher

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05 Sep 2005 at 19:09 - 35

Can we have one thread in this forum where it isnt a bunch of low self esteem geeks screaming about how build x/x is crap and then filling up the thread with childish fighting? Please?

smurfhunter

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my w/mo uses mending, orison, and healing breeze. you cant kill him.

Sand Scorpions [SS]

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05 Sep 2005 at 19:21 - 36

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Originally Posted by Vusak

point is you could NOT do this with an axe war - too many adrenaline requirements, and although it could be a nice hammer concept - it works a bit better with the faster hitting and hence energy buildup that a sword offers.

W/Mo 16 Axe 13 Strength 3 Healing (zealous axe)
Eviscerate
Axe Rake
Penetrating Blow
Disrupting Chop
Sprint
Frenzy/Flurry
Succor
Restore Life

succor a team monk, then continue as normal using predominantly adrenaline skills, rake is to help lower the usage of sprint, and allows frenzy usage to further offset the energy use.

depending on the setup it may or may not be useful to succor the prot monk, on one hand they might be doing bonds/barriers and they could use the extra energy pip meanwhile they dont cast much so it doesnt cost you much.

or it could be a more active guardian/rof etc. prot and you might find yourself low on energy if they are spamming a bit.

in the right tombs build (omg dont even bother with arena lol) either of these wars can find a useful part to play. i just dont see how this is better than a warrior/axe build that uses the same concept. more damage, eviscrate > hundred blades, axe rake = hamstring, disrupting chop = savage slash, exec strike ~ pure strike and the rest is the same. thats the big problem with swords, everything can be made better with another weapon.

and fyi apply poison + cyclone axe is the way people use it i believe. and yes it does work on a melee weapon

oh and yes you can do this with an axe warrior - you dont need the 'approved list' of attacks in one, heck i barely ever use penetrating blow or succor or whatever. i just dont really see why an axe "cant do it"

Wilymo

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05 Sep 2005 at 20:48 - 37

Actually you got something wrong. Axe Rake < Hamstring. No argument there.

xpuppetmaster

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05 Sep 2005 at 20:57 - 38

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Originally Posted by Wilymo

Actually you got something wrong. Axe Rake < Hamstring. No argument there. Well actually, they both suck. Using cripple for a snare is a terrible idea just do the fact condition removal is cheap and any good team will have at least 1-2 people with it.

magmore

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05 Sep 2005 at 21:08 - 39

Thanks for the constructive replies . Interesting community here

Thanks also to red griffon.
After reading these posts some things are clear.
A build is a lot of personal preference . TF verses frenzy ... tried em both and for me TF works best . I dont like thre double damage in the comp arenas . And I never need to use sprint at the same time as tf .
One stipd question though . When it sasys 25% faster movement does that increase attack speed as well? I am guessin no .
Maybe its because this isn't an off the shelf pvp build but a character played up from 0 . It is also clear that I need to go find some more skills .
A good sword build ? maybe this is it .
my guild is teaching me about gvg and we shall then truely see .
To bad there is no way to have a duel in this game.
ultimately all I wanted to know was str, tactics or sw and that was answered . take care all.
Thanks
My next post may be inteeresting .

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05 Sep 2005 at 21:21 - 40

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Using cripple for a snare is a terrible idea just do the fact condition removal is cheap and any good team will have at least 1-2 people with it. You really need to get your facts right. Not everybody uses JUST cripple for a snare. Smite teams = 1 second of person slowing down = Lots of damage.