A wild and crazy solution to the bot problem

Shanaeri Rynale

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

Just thinking the other day(dangerous I know)

A few facts

1. It is impossible to stop bots/sweat shop gamers
2. The demand for GW ebay money fuels 1
3. Guild wars relies on people buying the game to pay for its running.
4. People will buy gold no matter the effects on the economy

Therefore why does'nt AN sell GW Gold on their own website?

This would
1. Put the botters out of buisness as AN just has to run a create gold script and not bot/farm, so less overheads
2. Put more real money in AN's pot to fund the game
3. AN could control the economy better, by adjusting the price/availability of gold

The demand is there so if people are going to spend real money on pretend, I would rather see it go to AN and the running of the game.

Just a wild idea.....

Lord Bentam

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Around the corner.

Muffins of Wrath (MoW)

Mo/Me

I agree. Don't ask why but I do.

Amand

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/N

Sony's doing this already for a time, why not Anet? I'd totally support it. Money drain the botters

Teh Azman

Teh Azman

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

I Used Charm Animal On Your [MOM]

Me/R

Never really thought about it but actually yeah, this would work really well for this game considering how it's set up and what ANET promised...

the drizzle

the drizzle

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

E/N

this could work. and speaking of sony, i think they should implement a /pizza feature.

Xue Yi Liang

Xue Yi Liang

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Northern CA

Outlaws of the Water Margin

Mo/Me

You mean the "Legalize it" Principle?
Why not?
It worked for liquor in the US during prohibition.
Maybe it will work for GW Gold, pot and heroin, too.

Kai Nui

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

This is the most horrible idea ever. No one would be on equal footing. Some people bought this game because they can't afford the monthly of some games, and this is like making them pay a monthly because once people start buying money we'll have a fine line between people who buy money and people who don't. It's just not equal.

Whispering Siren

Whispering Siren

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

while this is true... people already buy money on ebay. of course, if A.net offered it, more people would buy.

not sure how i feel about the idea. i think it's crappy people buy game money (and items too) for real money.

MCS

MCS

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

Equal footing for what? Equal footing for PvE? Who cares all the players are on your side. If you're talking about PvP then gold is worthless so you're still on equal footing.

Besides anyone who wants to buy gold can buy gold and will never be caught unless they are IDIOTS.

One and Two

One and Two

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCS
Equal footing for what? Equal footing for PvE? Who cares all the players are on your side. If you're talking about PvP then gold is worthless so you're still on equal footing.

Besides anyone who wants to buy gold can buy gold and will never be caught unless they are IDIOTS.
truth

Tarot Ribos

Tarot Ribos

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/E

It sounds like a solid idea at first... but... a few problems I'm seeing:

1) Couldn't the gold get sold on ebay for less than AN's prices? This change would hinder bots, but I doubt it would discourage too many from simply lowering their prices. Also, if AN kept lowering the price to match, eventually the inflation would get insane.

2) Speaking of inflation... you aren't simply "legalizing" the purchase of GW money, but this would actually ENCOURAGE it. There is that difference. When the 21st Amendment was passed (repealing the 18th, which was the Prohibition law), the government didn't turn around and start selling its own liquor. They simply said it was okay for people to buy it. This would give a widely accessible, easily found, and encouraged hole for people to bring in more money into the game world. Yes, AN could change their own price to stop rampant inflation, but nonetheless there would be inflation. Which is bad for the people who, as mentioned before, don't want to spend money on the game beyond getting the game.

Again, I'm not saying this idea is a bad one, it's just it would mess up the economy and not really solve the problem of bots. Only make them less profitable. There needs to be a bit of a tweak somehow... that's all. Details.

Shanaeri Rynale

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

I know, as I said in the title it's a wild and crazy idea. Having a wild week this week..

Flame

Flame

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

I have an equally good idea. Find people (ArenaNet employees, trusted volunteers, et cetera) to "buy" the money on eBay. And then when they find the player doing the selling, ban their account. This would mean that unless they could make $55+ per account selling gold (price of game plus gas :P), they couldn't make money selling gold. And it also means that, since they are buying more copies of the game, ArenaNet still profits!

Xue Yi Liang

Xue Yi Liang

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Northern CA

Outlaws of the Water Margin

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flame
I have an equally good idea. Find people (ArenaNet employees, trusted volunteers, et cetera) to "buy" the money on eBay. And then when they find the player doing the selling, ban their account. This would mean that unless they could make $55+ per account selling gold (price of game plus gas :P), they couldn't make money selling gold. And it also means that, since they are buying more copies of the game, ArenaNet still profits!
Hey! I'd go for that.
I'll even donate if there's a fund.

One and Two

One and Two

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

fsho~

kill botters, they're annoying

Kai Nui

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

Well if they add this, prices of items will rise astronomically because people will have more money. This will force you to buy money if you want to get anything good in the game. People won't mind paying 10k for black dye or 100k for a rune of absorption because they can afford it with their real life money which might come out to be around 10-20 bucks. Working for the money in game... that's hard. Ebay does happen, although it's not supposed to, the majority of gamers don't buy their cash off ebay.

heist23

Journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flame
I have an equally good idea. Find people (ArenaNet employees, trusted volunteers, et cetera) to "buy" the money on eBay. And then when they find the player doing the selling, ban their account. This would mean that unless they could make $55+ per account selling gold (price of game plus gas :P), they couldn't make money selling gold. And it also means that, since they are buying more copies of the game, ArenaNet still profits!

haha, that's a GREAT idea. hopefully Arena Net might actually see this.....

Timoz

Timoz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

E/Mo

How do you propose Anet would give the money to them in game out of intrest..? just pop it in there invent and storage..

Seems like a good idea overall.. wether it would stop it im not sure but the whole funding the game and everything, i like the idea they would get more money to make the game even better.

Shanaeri Rynale

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

No they would give it to me and I would handle the distribution

Kai Nui

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale
No they would give it to me and I would handle the distribution
And I would handle the gun to your head to make you deposit it into the _proper_ account...(s)...

Armada Hunter

Armada Hunter

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Comic book guys voice

*Worst idea ever*.

Lt.Crumpet

Lt.Crumpet

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Michigan

R/

this reminds me of a section of HHGTTG. u kno the one where all the rejects from teh one planet land on earth and start using leaves as currency. after a few days it took like 10 acres to buy a bath. then they decided to burn down several square miles of forest to prevent inflation. anyone else see the connections?

Phrozenflame

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

I say reward the players Free Gold for helping them catch bots...maybe a free 15k full set would be motivational enough....what wil lthis cause:

- More problems for Boters, need to make code more complex so difficult for ppl to catch bots.

- Higher risk of Bot users loosing their $50.

- Hey..its good for us..I want a 15k armor okay...

-If Idea is approved, the person who suggested this should be given 15k set, and so it will motivate other players to give good suggestions to Anet.

15k armor set can be deposit in the account with name "Darth Somius"

=]

Arathorn5000

Arathorn5000

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Xen of Onslaught Ladder [XoO]

You'd need a tremendous gold sink for this to work. Maybe you can add the ability to transfer gold out of the game as well, in exchange for real money through paypal, at a lower value than you can buy it....talk about wild and crazy ideas

Flame

Flame

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arathorn5000
You'd need a tremendous gold sink for this to work. Maybe you can add the ability to transfer gold out of the game as well, in exchange for real money through paypal, at a lower value than you can buy it....talk about wild and crazy ideas
Except that would encourage people to bot. Or buy multiple computers and copies of the game, bot on all of them, then trade the money for real cash.

Arathorn5000

Arathorn5000

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Xen of Onslaught Ladder [XoO]

Indeed, 'twas a terrible idea.

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

Im not trying to be rude or anything but if Anet does what they are trying to get other people to stop doing how does that help?.. just makes Anet look bad. Anet now becomes the bot and more people will blame them for poor econ than they already do...

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flame
Except that would encourage people to bot. Or buy multiple computers and copies of the game, bot on all of them, then trade the money for real cash.

And arenanet will nerf al farm stop

Flame

Flame

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

"Gold now only drops from bosses with the letter "X" in their names"