Why is everyone finding ways to totally kill off Monks every week?

I don't get it, why are the whiners coming out and trying ti figure out all the builts that Monk's use to either prot. the whole team with enchanments, or solo smite uw or any area. First around 2-3 weeks ago there was a discussion topic about Prot. Bond and that talked about nerfing it's super ability to make monk's invincible. Later that was nerfed. Then people talked about Aura of Lich as a secondary way to coup with the lost of Prot Bond and making people go back to useing spirit. Next people are discussion about removing the -50 offhand weapon to screw the 55 builts. And now there is a post this week about Etherrenewel being overpowered. Although it's a elementalist skill, it is being used in unlimited energy builts which goes both ways of soloing and pvping and pveing.

My own insight of this week's topic on ether renewel: I for one play a elementalist and use ether renewel to help me regain energy while casting fire spells. This has nothing to do with using that skill for proting peopel with monk spells. Yet, people keep referencing it back to monk's enchantment's and using that as an excuse for saying Ether Renewel is too powerful. It makes no sense for an argument as the topic doesn't relate to the main class's abilty to use it to cast elemental spells. It seems that all that topic's discussion is aimed back to monks.

So the question is, what is up with the haters of monks? Most likely those that whine about monk skills or monks that use other class skills to become powerful, they probaly use other classes besides monks. So what if people start complaining about other character's skills that are not related to a monk's built. So for those who want to nerf this and that, then why not do an eye for an eye exchange. Every one skill of a class type that gets nerf should equally nerf one of every other class too. To see how the whiners feel to get there own class's skills get nerfed too.

Ether Renewal is being used by Elementalists... not monks...

As for this topic... rant... the situation's been discussed numerous times before :|

I know it's being used by elementalist but after they cast it, the energy regain is not used to cast elementalist skills, thus how can it be discussed as being overpowered?

Even you say it's being used my elementalist, what you see them using after they cast that spell..........MONK SPELLS. Hench it's another useless bashing thread on monks.

It's a shame indeed Homo.
Not only do monks get ganked to death in PvP by bloodthirsty players, but their best lines of defense get ganked because people can't be bothered to figure out a counter.

People always find something to whine about. It's just pitiful that they get the attention they don't deserve.

When everyone has the same cut and paste skills and professions mean nothing, they will still find a cause for complaint.

What's next...healing hands changed to "target other ally" ?
I would put money on it.

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45301
Foundations of Balance and Diversity, prior to Ether Renewal being on the forefront (Because Nature's Renewal environment had made it impractical to run).

The same reasoning applies now as it did then, only Ether Renewal wasn't prominent enough to get the spotlight. Now it is.

Well that would get rid of half the w/mos out there in the PvP arenas...

I don't know, it is strange. Monks are such an asset as you get into the game, and PvP it takes one hell of an organized team to get by without them. Smiting e/mos in the random arenas are just a nuisance, and when you encounter them every fight, you just get frustrated. More so when your class has almost no options to stop it.

Subconciously, it seems almost like people no longer want the class to exist. With all the hate that gets thrown around.

That is the message i was trying to convey.

Lets say we have a box of nails. The nails vary in size, shape and length.

They need sorting, so we start by removing all the really long ones. Then we take out all the damaged ones. Then we take out the shortest ones etc etc.
In the end we will end up with a handful of nails which are all identical and in no way have any advantages or outstanding features when compared to the rest of the nails in the box.

Ether renewal gets a nerf...time to find another to whine about because all our nails must be the same!!

in PvP you are not going to get along with ZERO MONKS. it is not going to happen

Nature's Renewal spam pretty much halted the developement of enchantment heavy builds for the Tombs.

Speaking of which, the Nature's Renewal nerf actually helped enchanters, of which monks have the most enchantments in the entire game. If that's monk hate, well, I'll leave the rest of the comment to your imagination.

It does seem that if most had their way they would nerft Monks and Eles in to non-existence.

When the whiners get their way and that happens and so few wanting to team with Rangers, Necros, and Mesmers you might as well just change them name of Guild Wars to Guild Warriors since Warriors will be only class left in viable numbers.

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Don't you know that monks are only supposed to heal? Anything else should be nerfed completely....
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No, your analogy is flawed. We want to remove all the damaged nails. Every now and then the box is shifted a bit, revealing nails that were damaged the whole time, but are now more visible. A clairvoyant could simply have removed all damaged nails at the outset, but none were around. Some specialists using x-rays and such had said that it appears that certain nails are defective, but they were buried in the box and not everyone can read an xray. Now that the box has been shaken a round a bit a few more defective nails are poking out.

There are still plenty of short, long/spiral, smooth/galvanised, stainless steel/ finishing, framing nails left in the box. And there are still defective nails. I won't stop complaining about them till the nails are either fixed or removed, but that doesn't mean that all nails will be the same. Just no more broken nails.

Oh, and all those complaining because their favorite skill might get fixed, you are short-sighted if you don't see that balancing a game is key to it being fun. Nobody wants to nerf anything, we want balance - that doesn't mean all things equal, but things in good opposition to one another.

Holy crap quit overgeneralizing and actually look at the important issues here.

There are problems, there are vastly overpowered skills, and they need to be fixed. There is a huge difference from something being plain good (fear me, energy drain, ward v melee, etc) to being downright abusive (ether renewal).

If you wish to remain ignorant, suit yourself, just don't post retarded stuff and make these forums worse than they are.

Dont kid yourself ... go do a search for nerf pets in screenshot exposition ... a new flavor, W/R running pets and I will survive is on the prowl with no monks ... another team of 7 W/N and and 1 R/N recently did a decent run ... its not that teams wont win without monks ... its that to the norm metagamer who can't see outside the box will never go outside his comfort zone unless it is proven to work extremely well ... hence the metagame cycle will always exist because there are far more of these people then the ones who took the HoH with 8 W/R, or 8 Spirit Spammers first win.

I feel for monks ... I mean the amount of bruising going on is ridiculous, but without a doubt ER is broken. If you cant see this then actually compare it to its relative elite skills (energy management), sad but true it far outpowers both e drain and offering of blood.

Anyways ... I gotta lighten up ... just wanted to notethat it is possible ...

sorry for the double post ... but this irked me ... I hope your using sarcasm ... or
<rip your head off while informing you>
then they would have only 1 attribute line up ... but I'm sure your joking now aren't you ...
</rip your head off while done talking>

PvP always whines and complains about this and that, wanting everything changed to suit them which messes it up for us PvE'ers who then have an even harder time trying to manage. I think the PvPers need to piss off, shut up, leave things as is. I think when changes are made, they should only effect PvP and not everyone. That way, I could care less what got changed as long as it didn't effect PvE.

Dur dur dur why dey nerf invinci-builds it make no sense dur dur dur.

C'mon, it's not hard to figure out.

People call for a nerf because they lack the mental capacity to find a simple solution to destroy the build. OMFG That guy used eviscerate along with 5 other axe warriors to destroy me! NERF that PLZ !1!!11!1!!!1!!

Kinda like what you just did? Ether renewal is strong. But why nerf it because of one secondary class problem. Look at the big picture here. Most Elementalist power skills are a 25 Energy Cast. Then go into things like E/N's or E/Me's who also have huge energy problems then. A Necro never has much energy, but an E/N has huge ammounts and one with Ether Renewal really helps them out.

You talk about looking at the big picture, then look at it. Because Ether Renewal isnt just about E/Mo's and their enchantment casting. Nerfing that spell would cause people to be pissed on who had nothing to do with Emos.

i not sure why other play the role of a Monk when they are Elementalist as I see in screenshots with most monks skills in there bar.