[MERGED]Green items: rant or praise

Narcissus

Narcissus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

North Carolina, USA

Evolution

Me/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirtypercent
secondly, they are perfect modded, infact they are better. +60 health? who would need a +30 health gold anymore? There are NO green items that have a +60 mod built in. There are green items that have two innate +30hp bonuses that would have been the staff wrapping and the staff head if the mods show up.

There is no magical +60hp innate mod that is going to eliminate the regular +30hp mods.

Learn wtf you are talking about before you scream oversomething you heard without getting the facts.

Nawn Centz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Tombs of Primeval Kings.

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Yeah necrozsi, you have 300 ectos and 2 FoW sets, but your WAY above 90% of the people that play this game. Such as me, I had like a 13-19 sword and I've beaten this game on 2 chars. I only have like 12k in my storage and that's total. So the other day I happened to come across a green sword in sorrows furnace, and this had to be the best thing that ever happened to me on GW. Mainly because, I'm not as fortunate as you to have everything in the game and gold godly weapons and FoW armors and etc. So I'm sorry for all of you with either no lives or just alot of time on your hands to make 293009239023 million plat and whine when your complaining about something that people such as me LOVE. If you wan't a 15>50 sephis axe, go buy one. Yeah, there's a green one but you can tell all your GW friends that you have a non-green godly axe.

DJ Josh

DJ Josh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Narcissus
There are NO green items that have a +60 mod built in. There are green items that have two innate +30hp bonuses that would have been the staff wrapping and the staff head if the mods show up.

There is no magical +60hp innate mod that is going to eliminate the regular +30hp mods.

Learn wtf you are talking about before you scream oversomething you heard without getting the facts. i think he may have miss heard some 1 you can get +60 health green staffs but its +30 head +30 wrap

TheArrow

TheArrow

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

USA

The Illuminati [Illu]

Mo/

Who cares? ANet added a new type of weapon that is better/more rare and now the "economy" is ruined. QQ more.

thirtypercent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Narcissus
There are NO green items that have a +60 mod built in. There are green items that have two innate +30hp bonuses that would have been the staff wrapping and the staff head if the mods show up.

There is no magical +60hp innate mod that is going to eliminate the regular +30hp mods.

Learn wtf you are talking about before you scream oversomething you heard without getting the facts. ok i meant 2 +30s. 30+30=60. would people bother buying any other mods when they already have 2 perfect health mods inside? +30 health mods are v rare previously, let alone 2 of them. now u pick up an item with 2 of them on it together with other mods, would people be buying the +30 health mods at the price they are supposed to be at?

Theos

Theos

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

River Dancing

Eternal Treachery [TimE]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thirtypercent
ok i meant 2 +30s. 30+30=60. would people bother buying any other mods when they already have 2 perfect health mods inside? +30 health mods are v rare previously, let alone 2 of them. now u pick up an item with 2 of them on it together with other mods, would people be buying the +30 health mods at the price they are supposed to be at? That, in my opinion, is a bad example. I would personally prefer to get a staff with +energy than the stupid +60 health green. Why? My casters don't need some high health like a tank, I will be safe enough in the back... if I am taking to much damage then either someones is letting things reach me or I need to pay more attention .

One and Two

One and Two

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

The economy is not at all, ruined. Instead, it has greatly shifted. Ruining the economy would lead to depression, which leads to nobody with money, which has not happened...

thirtypercent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Theos
That, in my opinion, is a bad example. I would personally prefer to get a staff with +energy than the stupid +60 health green. Why? My casters don't need some high health like a tank, I will be safe enough in the back... if I am taking to much damage then either someones is letting things reach me or I need to pay more attention . flints fleshcleaver

John Waffletord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Baltimore, MD, USA

Green didnt ruin the economy at all.

From what i can see.. green items give the players with not a whole lot of money an opportunity to have a weapon with max stats. Most players are still coveting the gold max stat weapons rather than being content with the green items. Green items are selling in game for <20K for the most part, because there are so many of them. Gold items that arent that great are selling for less and perfect gold items are still selling for a lot.

Link Ironhammer

Link Ironhammer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Hyrule (Kokiri Village)

W/Mo

Grren Items didn't ruin the economy, they are just boss weapons that can't be custimized, u could probably do almost the same thing with a plain old weapon

Eskimo Bob

Eskimo Bob

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada, Alberta

Angelic Knights

W/Mo

Well I like the green items and I am a "Have-er person dude guy human". What do I do with my money? Guild mates, damn best gold sink in the game!

Hell Zell

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

NC

Tourted Souls

E/Mo

This topic makes PERFECT sense!

Crowskie

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

AR, US

FLA

R/Me

More than likley, Anet is going to tapper off the abundance of green items as they work thier way into the marketplace. Think about game console launches. They ship more the first few weeks than any other time because that is the peek demand time. Probally will be the same here.

Moltov joss

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by necrozsi
before the new patch came out, gold items ( especially the nice lookin graphic like crystalline sword/sephis axe and other popular ones ) were in high demand if 15>50 or etc. Also perfect upgrades would be about 100k each for lets say 30life pommel on bow/sword and furious would be also 100K+ . However with the green items that drop so easily now, with perfect mods and upgrades.

i have about 300 ectos just sittin in my storage and there is nothin in the market that interests me. Before the patch i would of prob payed millions for a max 15>50 sephis axe...but now there is a green one with low req, 15>50.
Even as we speech more and more of these are being found. and i already got 2 sets of fissure armor for my war and necro so i really dont know why i should continue to farm or even play pve.

To me green items actually take away the fun in playin PVE, this is because before the patch lets say i go on a mission and find a gold max sword, i would be somewhat excited because maybe it would be 15>50 or with +30life. But now i can just walk outside war camp and do 2 boss runs and i have a perfect item with perfect upgrades. There is no more excitment or joy in finding gold items anymore. so the conclusion i have come to is that i dont really need gold at all now, since green items basically owns everything and its everywhere.

Anyone got suggestions on what i should spend my money on?
Green items never took away the fun of playing pve for me. Having to pay "millions" for a gold would have. Now I don't have to pay millions! Anet rocks!!! Its just more fair to the pve pvpers. I personally am a UAS with only 30 skills and most upgrades and runes unlocked. Did I get a uber weapon untill the patch? Nope. Now my pve toons dont have to be at a disadvantage.
What do you have to whine about anyways? With the introduction of green items you wont have to pay millions for your sephis axe or crystaline crap shoot.

eppuJ

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Wondercats

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First of all I think green items are great. I have farmed now about 200 hours in high level places, never to find 15>50 weapon. Now I just had to go out of Deldimor war camp, solo one boss and find 15>50 weapon first time in my life. It was great. I have about 1000k in my storage, so I have more money than I can spend on reasonable things. I also play a lot with pvp characters so I don't have to buy 15>50 items, because pve doesn't require them. It is still a thrill to find a golden item and identify it, and I think that is the funniest part in farming and it is still there, the green items didn't change that.

Plague

Plague

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

N/E

Personally, I still favor rare items over green items. Greens will always be the same, while a rare could be anything. It's more of a collector's item. I would never pay that much if I was wanting it for its stats.

Fred Kiwi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

[cola]

To all those that are happy because the green items gave a good option for pvp, why didn't you just go to the crystal desert and get a collector item? okay, yes, you'll want some good mods for it, but anet could have brought the mods down somehow else and perhaps put more attention to the desert collectors ingame. The main reason greens piss me off though is cause there are one million clones of the same thing out there, anet (yes i've said it before but I'll say it again) could just have random mods and names based on weopon type/boss.

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Kiwi
The main reason greens piss me off though is cause there are one million clones of the same thing out there.
Actually they are very rare, they drop less often than ecto, do not drop at all with henches, impossible to solo for one, and the chances of you getting into a group that have enough brain function to even get to the bosses where they might drop is less than the chances of the drop in the first place.

Narcissus

Narcissus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

North Carolina, USA

Evolution

Me/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirtypercent
ok i meant 2 +30s. 30+30=60. would people bother buying any other mods when they already have 2 perfect health mods inside? +30 health mods are v rare previously, let alone 2 of them. now u pick up an item with 2 of them on it together with other mods, would people be buying the +30 health mods at the price they are supposed to be at?
Why would people bother with the other mods over the innate 60?

Because two +5 armor mods for a caster makes two +30hp mods look like crap.

Quote: No, not really. At least not the ones dropping close to the war camp.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thirtypercent
flints fleshcleaver That's perfect for whom? Definately not an E/*.
How many ele's are water elementalists now adays? Right.
How many ele's need +5 energy when they have access to Energy Storage?
Need we discuss +5 armor > +30hp again?

Like has been said MANY times already, Most of the green items are perfect or near perfect for some specific builds, but definately not across the board.

Oh, and PLEASE tell me how many people will be trampling each other to get Wroth's Holy Rod?

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt
Actually they are very rare
they drop less often than ecto, do not drop at all with henches, impossible to solo for one, and the chances of you getting into a group that have enough brain function to even get to the bosses where they might drop is less than the chances of the drop in the first place. Well, I got me a green wotshisface staff with 5 henches yesterday, so they do drop even if you're playing with henches - it's just that with 5 henches there's an 83% chance one of the henches will get it.

Got it from the first boss I killed after fighting my way through Snakedance from Rankor. I then spent a couple of hours mucking about in Grenths Footprint, found a couple of superior runes and gold items, all worthless but I'm sure better stuff is out there.

However, I wont bother farming in Grenths Footprint. Just didn't strike me as very fun. So my mesmer picked up the storyline again.

Incidentally I decided to test the waters, and tried selling the staff for 20K. Jumped between district 1-2 of LA, Ascalon, and Droknars. Not a single serious offer (best offer I got was 600 gold).

Caedrel Larrere

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

Crimson Brethren

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Green items aren't ruining the economy. They are decent weapons that are uncommonly dropped. If you have tons of money, there are still plenty of gold items that you can buy and sell. For example look at this thread.

Arturo02

Arturo02

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

See that third planet from the sun?

Sacred Forge Knights

R/Me

I'm willing to guess most people who feel they are broke in the game are tasting what it is like to be in a system where your not supported by anyone else. And further, how do people have no money if they farm for uber items? The gold and the loot you sell to npc's alone should be enough.

Money management people. Your not taking care of your gold, it's taking care of itself. And gold is just like rl money, it wants to be separated from you.

I have 50 plat so far after two months. I'm not rich by any means, just financially free. I didn't farm, I didn't do any market trading. I played the game, did the missions, and didn't buy the next upgrade in armor the minute I arrived at a town that had it.

I got my armor from collectors which cost 0 gold. I get as many skills as possible from the quests, to save skill points and gold. I got my weapons from drops, another 0 gold. Picking up everything that drops in missions is huge too.

Not to mention, every mission from Kryta on is about 1k in plat. And some missions your gonna do over because of difficulty, or a bad group, or mistakes. Heck, the other night I did thunderhead 6 times before our group pulled it off, and with all the loot and gold, there was about 9k more in my bank.

And all I did was have fun and play the game. And manage my money.

Stop worrying about gold and items and trying to be rich. Find some friends and go have fun bashing stuff or people. PvE in any MMO is always about the camraderie and fun of going things together as a group. It's like anything, it's not just what your doing, it's who your doing it with.

I know this reply won't turn a light on, and everyone will suddenly wake up and realize they control their money supply, not Anet. But it won't happen. No biggie, while you guys and gals are blaming the economy, I'll be playing the game and not having to worry about gold cause I know the secret to MMO happiness.

On a side note whoever said why farm for a 15/50 gold item when you can get one for free in pvp, is that correct? I thought you had to unlock it, and even when you do it only unlocks what you got so far, not the max.

I can only use a +20 health hale because I haven't unlocked the 30 yet.

NeXuS8

NeXuS8

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Wild Bladez

W/Mo

They wont ruin economy:
1.There arent that much greens
2.You cant mod them
3.They arent that expensive since they geting repetitive

wiz12268

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

California

Men In Black

Arturo has it right on the money.

If you actually PLAY the game (pvE that is) you sould EASILLY get between 15-20K in gold byt the time you finish. That isn't counting selling any nice weapons you might find along the way.

When I first started out, I slavaged everything, not really knowing that it is actually THE SMARTEST thing to do. Those early weapons in pre seraring and in the first few maps that get you 2-5 gold can garner you mulitple mataerials, that sell for much more to players hwo are lawyas looking.

Granted that market has gone WAY down hill the past few days, but I have to think it will rebound ot settle down again soon. You just have to know what kind of salvages you are going to get. If you know you wil get 8-12 wood from the bow and the merchant is only offering 40 gold for it, salvage it. Wood is generally 8 gold per, but most guys know enough to use the wood to make parchment, that even now that it has dropped is worth at least 80, and most assuredly 100 gold per can stil be gotten.

You dont HAVE to famr t make money. Especially farming for rare weapons t sell. I famred the griffons and got nothing but wings. But I could get 3-4 hundred wings in 5-6 hours of farning, that is 10K alone, and any other weapons or rare weapons was all gravy.

Depending on how much time per day you have to lay the game, you could buy any perfect upgrade(100K) after about 20-25 hours I would guess. That is assuming you only got modest drops and wings.

Now you can probably farm the chests. Obviously you have to buy the keys, although they do drop, but not very often. But for 700 you have a 50/50 chance of getting something you cansalvage and sell for a deent price. Even if the market gets flooded the demand wil be there.

Gold is FAR AND AWAY better weaponry, especially when it comes to staffs. I have yet to see a green staf with both faster cast and fast recharge for ALL skills, and still have 2 perfect UPGRADES. BIG difference between MODS and UPGRADES. 15% >50 is a MOD, +30 HP is an UPGRADE. Before people start arguing about how much better green is than gold they should understand that.

Also as far as I know they ALL require a 9 in whatever attribute they are focused on. So right there that eliminates bows. Most ranger primaries, and especially ranger secondaries want a bow with a 8 req, that gives them a lot more attribute points to put elsewhere. Similar with other classes, but with rangers and their diversity basically any other skill they have is important, so those extra points elsewhere most definately outweigh the couple extra points of damage a 9 versus an 8 will supply.

Grrens are perfect collector weapons. They are not all that rare, but they are also not all that plentiful either. They have some value, just imited value as they are as is. Same as buying a very nice hi requirement wepon. It has nice mods and nice upgrades, but you understand you have to sacrifice somethings to get all that, namely points you might like to spend elsewhere.

I will bet that once the fad has gone the golds will be right where they have always been. Probably a little cheaper because of the chests, but definately the best options, at least for those that have some money.

Which as stated isn't hard to get if you aren't getting rushed everywhere and PAYING for that. And when you get there you don't have enough money to do anything. So not only did you waste what little money you have, you wasted time when you could have ben making money doing waht you bought the game for in the first place ... PLAYING it.

GuildWarsPlayer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by wiz12268
I have yet to see a green staf with both faster cast and fast recharge for ALL skills, and still have 2 perfect UPGRADES. There's one i dropped with henches... it's a necro staff :

I'm not trying to make any point really just saying that such item exists.

wiz12268

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

California

Men In Black

touche'... and while +5 armor is underated, I am not thinking that it would be anyone's first choice to add two to the same staff.

If that staff was gold/upgradeable it would be worth a ton for sure, even with a 9 req.

Narcissus

Narcissus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

North Carolina, USA

Evolution

Me/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirtypercent
yeah yeah i know +5 armor is better. but look at the price of it. would +5 armor mod cost the same as +30 health mod? one +30 health mod costs arnd 40k. one +5 armor mod costs around 2k.
this is because the rarity of +30 health mod is high, and on that particular green item there are 2 perfect ones on them, so u think thats the way it should be? get those perfect mods so easily? +30 hp mods are far and away more expensive than +5 armor mods because-

:drumroll:

-people think that bigger numbers = stronger/better. Go to Lion's Arch D1 and ask, "Which is a better weapon upgrade for a caster, +30hp or +5armor?" and I guarentee you there will be a flood of people saying the +30hp.

Then again I actually like the misinfo people spread. It keeps the good mods cheap

necrozsi

necrozsi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caedrel Larrere
Green items aren't ruining the economy. They are decent weapons that are uncommonly dropped. i hope ur drunk when u said they are uncommonly dropped..........with a farming group of 5, every boss drops green and sometimes even 2.............

they are not decent, the word ur looking for is perfect

FireMountain

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

I am a have not and am quitting the game. I see people selling items or asking for items I've never even seen. The inconsistent drops make me not just sick of this game they make me angry at it.

GuildWars is the most royal screw job I've ever seen. The person who said 80-90% of the people are the have nots are right.

And they are the people who are going to say SEE YA to GuildWars.

Like me I'm coming by here to blow off steam and say SEE YA...

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diabloâ„¢
Green items are the future poor-man's weapon. So what's the future 'rich' man's weapon?
You do know pvp chars get perfect weapons right? So does that make them rich?

Does having millions of in-game gold make you think you're somehow better at the game than someone else? Not everyone likes to farm like you.

This game is about combat skills, not accumulating wealth.

Allvah

Allvah

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akilles
I just need to remember to sell gold armor and not salvage it anymore, ppl may pay more than 150gp for the chance it is a superior Absorption. Uh, dude, salvage the armor BEFORE you identify it. You'll get an unidentified rune. If it's a class rune, it'll say like "Monk Rune: Unidentified" or somesuch. If it just says "Rune" than it's a vigor. If it's a small tattered square graphic, it's a minor. Solid square, it's a major. Scroll with rolled sides, it's a superior. People will pay decent money for unID'd runes because they get the PvP unlock when they identify them themselves. Granted, most runes (like ranger and mesmer) won't go for much, but if you monitor the rune prices on the traders, you can make some decent cash. Last night the absolute CHEAPEST superior monk rune was 4.5 on the trader. I sold an unID'd superior monk rune for 8k, and out of curiosity, asked the guy what it was when he ID'd. It was a protection prayers rune, which he got unlock for, and those were going for 7k at the trader. He got his unlock, I got MORE sellback than the trader buy cost, when it would have sold at the trader for like, 50gp. Everyone's happy.

Sai of Winter

Sai of Winter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

[ale]

Mo/

Every since the update I've getting a lot of Gold items but nobody seems to want them. I try to sell those items and they're pretty decent Gold items. I don't know what to do now.

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Nova Alliance

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I was just browsing through the trade forums.

There are atleast 3 threads in the Sell area that are trying to sell Flint's Fleshcleaver and have recieved no bids.

Now, obviously, Water Magic is one of the things that's rare in this game. But that a green item is already getting no bids shows something.


One thing I dont think anyone has counted on concerning the greens is the Off hands. While the weapons will probably decrease in price, the offhand items probably never will. So I would suggest getting them while you can at the current price.

Lasareth

Lasareth

Aquarius

Join Date: Jun 2005

Somewhere between Boardwalk and Park Place

I think this concern addressed itself... there are virtually no hydromancers these days, hence virtually no desire for a mediocre item like that.

A particular offhand to keep track of is the Rockmolder. It's the only item in the game with a 20% recast on ALL skills. I tested it and it does seem to be 20% of the time.

theVariable

theVariable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

CA, USA

Knights of the Hokuten [KotH] (hokuten.org)

Mo/Me

Awww. And I gave my Rockmolder to a guild mate... Oh well. He's a mesmer. He deserves something nice

Warskull

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2005

[out]

I have seen players offering 100k+ for the green swords, fire wands/staves, and green healing items.

If it fits into the Tanks, nukers, and monks it will be desired.

Thus Swords, Strength shields, healing wands/staves/offhands, fire wands/staves/offhands.

necrozsi

necrozsi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

for example the green shield with 45/2 enchant completely ended all market for all other gold shields...unless of course same modded one but gold,,which u barely see.

Fred Kiwi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

[cola]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt
Actually they are very rare, they drop less often than ecto, do not drop at all with henches, impossible to solo for one, and the chances of you getting into a group that have enough brain function to even get to the bosses where they might drop is less than the chances of the drop in the first place. If there was a million or 2 then it's still the same principal for me. And what you said is an exaggeration.

EternalTempest

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt
Actually they are very rare, they drop less often than ecto, do not drop at all with henches, impossible to solo for one, and the chances of you getting into a group that have enough brain function to even get to the bosses where they might drop is less than the chances of the drop in the first place I did quests in SF during the 5 pugs, we cleared out all the outter mobs (including the boses) and a total of 3 green where dropped. I do pug's all the time, it's a mixed bag of nuts but there not that bad as a whole. No where near refined as guild party, party with friends.