guild hoppers

omfg my gay ass guildi who is partially my friend keeps on being a dumbass im not saying out his name becuz i think thats against the forums... First, we were planning to do GVG(non ranked) to test out some builds... him being rank 4, and thinking hes so goood which he isnt(im rank4 also), he took party leader then "accidently" picked ranked, then w/o even 20 seconds it started. he then said" OMG I DIDNT KNOW IT WOULD START SO SOOON!" we were still owning the other guild and for like 20 minutes, we didnt even get morale cuz HIM agan being the dumbass said get flag! get flag! and i did and he didnt even protect flag all he did was take his cooooock..ky ass and chase everyone.. god i hate him im PRobably not sure never taking him bak in the guild agan hes so freakin useless hes so cooockyy and me messed up our rank more then 3 times, once we playid with xen of onslaught and we lost becuz he was like OMG THEY ARE SOO GOOD then he gave up and started to fool around.. reason why i call him a guild "hopper" is cuz he keeps joinin other guilds then joinin bak.. god... whats wrong with dumbasses these days

then stop reinviting him back to the guild?

as i said, hes partially friend =Z

My guild has had an issue like this before.

From what I can gather from your post, this guy is your friend, but he is somewhat.. "Out of it", unloyal, and lacks confidence in the guild.

Kick him, and keep him out.

Even if he is your pal, if you want your guild to grow, keep him out! Chances are his negative attitude will rub off on other guildies and discourage them.

In addition, constantly re-inviting him back makes your guild seem desperate (for members).. Which is not a good thing.

My previous guild have an issue somewhat similar to this. Our guild originally was founded July 4th 2004. We grew slowly and steadily, and there were some struggles but we were overal ok. Then we got a new member. This particular member was overlly arrogant, disrespectful, and caused 6 members to leave the guild the entire time he was there. Him and only him, no one else caused them to leave, just him. Being a co-leader of the guild I constantly tried to have him kicked, but he had gotten in good with the Founder and he refused to kick him, despite my urging him to do so before he ruined the guild. He then had a friend join, who was just as bad as him. Eventually we lost 2 more members because of the overal immaturiy of the guild and the constant insults of this person and his friend. I got fed up with it, gathered up those loyal to me, and we left to make our own guild.

Two days later the guild collapsed when the founder left it. RIP OoD, July 4th 2004-May 22nd, 2005.

Morale of the Story: Don't be afraid to take care of a problem, as a leader you have a responsibility to the majority of your members to do what is best for them and the guild, don't let one person bring you down.

My guild has a kind of problem in line with yours at this very moment. We have 2 kids spoiling the fun for the majority (eg. Spamming the Guild Announcements and guild chat, constantly making offensive remarks). The big problem here is that our guild leaders isn’t very steadfast himself having kicked one of those two, three times in a row while the other one kept inviting him back. Our leader is afraid that if he kicks both these guys he’ll lose other members as well.
Now I hate to stand up and tell the leader it’s either them two or me (in which case a few others will also leave with me), but I see no other solution at this point. Though with the current leadership I wonder if the best course of action would be to stay myself.

You are a hypocrite. You know, some people don't have what it takes to run guilds.

yea some people are annoying, but hey if hes ur friends dont get pissed about it over a game

You know, I wondered at first if conkerz was making a joke post. It's kind of hard for a guild to prosper when the leader seems semi-literate. It is the leader of a guild that defines the guild - leadership and dedication makes all the difference in creating loyal members. I personally have left many guilds because of what I perceived as inadequate, or inconsistent leadership on the part of the leader.

You, Conkerz, don't have the RIGHT to complain about anything since *you* are the one reinviting him and complaining about it all the time.

If he quits the guild then he quit, why do you reinvite him?

Also: Try and learn to write correctly, if you write this bad when you have the *time* to post a thread, I can only Imagine what it's like online.

Yee gods! What a horrible thought

I agree, i have to say, it was also a very offencive post and could of been
written much more politely.

Only have a minimum 1:5 ratio between captains and members. In management, a manager can only control 7 people optimally. Also, make sure your captains know the rules and policies of the clan, and be certain that they have the integrity and balls to carry out the dirty work (kicking out people, disciplinary action, etc). Most people are too soft, if you want a strong clan, you have to be honest not just towards others but to yourself.

If you or your captains cannot figure out who are good/bad members, then i suggest that you sit down and layout what exactly are the goals of your clan. And no, "being pvp or pve orientated" is not a goal, thats the gamestyle. Set out goals, enforce respect, zero-tolerance for goofups, and voila, you'll have a tight crew that will stick to u till the end.

Sorry about that post but the way he writes about his *sometimes* friend is also offending. Think about he's writting bad things about him in his back. What kind of friend does that?

Another way is to minimize "blind" invites, (not his freind, but just generally) ..I think Guilds which get screwed due to blind invites partly deserve it. Getting over on someone bkoz he has no cape is as lame as getting screwed..theysay everyday flips around ;-)

What do you expect with a guild named "The Douchebags"?

What does cooock..ky mean? Cookey? Cooker? Cook from Kentucky? Im confused

Kicking people that are irritating the others wont scare the other members. did it with a guy werry much like the one you are talking about and the strongest reaction was some who wanted to know why he was kicked

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOy. As in arrogant, full headed. Someone who is full of himself.

I feel that to have a good, balanced guild, have friends who you can trust as leaders. TRUST.

I had a member like this in the beginning!

First he wanted to be with us asking me to let him join so I did(even it was against our rules because we wanted to keep the guild 18+ and he was first 13).

Through the time he was nice, most of the time was mature and friendly.
One day me and a other member helped him to get his 15k Armor the day after he was gone without even saying something.

All of sudden he whispered me that he built his own guild, wanted to do a alliance and so on....

I told him ok! He guild was alive for around 2 weeks before he quit it asking me to take him back in ours.

I told him that if I give him a second chance it would be the last one and that I don't want guild hoppers in my guild.

So he stayed for around 2 weeks maximum and then he fought with a other guild in the tombs and they wanted him to change there so he did.

Even this was a unloyal behaviour, I wished him all the best and told him that I hope he will be happy in his new guild, kept him in my friendslist and we were done.

After only a few weeks again he asked me to come back because in his new guild the people were treating him "bad", guild was inactive and various other reasons.

I told him NO and explained him that I had said before that if he will ever leave again that there is no turning back.

He started with please and give me another chance, I won't leave anymore and so on.....

Even I got a bit sad because he actually was a nice person after all, I stood up my word and didn't let him back.

He said that obviously leaving us was the baddest decision he ever made cause in our guild he was at least happy (how could he be happy and leave all the time ) and he probably quit GW if he has to stay guildless or are not able to be with us.

I told him that there are a lot of other guilds that recruits out there pointed him to various forums and so on.....

Though I never saw him online again. He is still in my friendslist but he is never online so I'm not sure if he still is in GW playing other times than I or not.

The reason I wrote the whole story is because I think you should do the same friend or not!
Some people thing they can do anything they want with someone only because of friendship, though its in your hand to saw this guy that even a friendship has some limits and it is based or respect and loyalty!

That doesn't mean that you have to quit your friendship out of the game if you understand each other well, but at least show him that his behaviour is bad for the Guild in game so he understands what he is doing.

As long as you take him back everytime he will keep doing it without giving a damn about how you feel about it.

Of course if you explain and he still doesn't understand then I think you need to reconsider this friendship anyway....

kind of a sad story tho

I have had problems like that in the beginning(like most guild probly).

Now, if a person leave i dont reinvite them back unless they were with us for more than three weeks to a month and told us why they were leaving.

But, one second change only is good enough lol. Alot, of people leave a guild to make their own then realized it's hard and time consuming. So many small guild has died and so many guilds of 3 to 10 players.

Loyalty is hard to find but when you do they becom ur best ally and your friends