New Guild Wars Ladder is going to be provided by the Global Warfighter League [GWL]
http://mygwl.com
You can find forums, and ladders for Guild Wars there
The ladder will be locked until there is 20 teams on the ladder
Guild Battle Ladder only
8v8 American
8v8 Korean
8v8 European
8v8 International
5v5 American
5v5 Korean
5v5 European
5v5 International
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The current rules for the ladders will be finished within 5 days max.
In that time, you can register your team, and get on the ladder.
Once there is 20 teams on that ladder, the ladder will unlock and you will be able to challenge other teams.
If you have any questions you can post on the Guild Wars forum "Guild Wars Techincal Help" if you're having any problems with the GWL website.
My name on the website is VaX, and I am the Guild Wars Ladder Manager....
If you do have any personal questions, or concerns you can PM me on http://mygwl.com
New Guild Wars Ladder
Vax
Kai Nui
Go advertise somewhere else?
theVariable
Yeah really. Find another way to get your guild/group (whatever you are) noticed. There's an official ladder. Nothing else matters. Unless you're making a special olympic ladder? In that case, I apologize. Carry on. And where can I go to donate to your cause?
Divine Elemental
ur the annoying guy who is spamming in int dis 1 
Mumblyfish
Chastising a player for setting up an alternative ladder to ArenaNet's official trainwreck? Only on Guild Wars Guru!
The "official" ladder means nothing, and is in dire need of a frequent reset. This ladder seems like it will only comprise of worthwhile teams, will be adequetely "modded", and better fits the competitive spirit of the game. If my Guild weren't inactive due to college/uni starting, I'd sign up in a heartbeat. Nice one.
The "official" ladder means nothing, and is in dire need of a frequent reset. This ladder seems like it will only comprise of worthwhile teams, will be adequetely "modded", and better fits the competitive spirit of the game. If my Guild weren't inactive due to college/uni starting, I'd sign up in a heartbeat. Nice one.
Vax
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Chastising a player for setting up an alternative ladder to ArenaNet's official trainwreck? Only on Guild Wars Guru!
The "official" ladder means nothing, and is in dire need of a frequent reset. This ladder seems like it will only comprise of worthwhile teams, will be adequetely "modded", and better fits the competitive spirit of the game. If my Guild weren't inactive due to college/uni starting, I'd sign up in a heartbeat. Nice one. |
but.. of course it is meant for all guild types (powerful and weak)
theVariable
Perhaps I'm narrow minded, but what is wrong with the current ladder? I would prefer people stick with a standard and not divert their attention all over the place. If it's to deal with griefers, exploiters, and other cheap tactics, then I guess I could understand that, but the pool of participants in unoffical ladders would be too small to justify any kind of accomplishment. So what if you reach the top? There's probably a lot of better, legit guilds you'd never go up against. Only because they didn't waste their time diverting their attention away from the standard. So maybe the standard should be governed better, but you should take that case up with Anet. If everyone starts trying the make their own ladder, then there is absolutely no way to guage your success. And that's why you need an all encompassing standard. Unless I missed something?
Vax
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Perhaps I'm narrow minded, but what is wrong with the current ladder? I would prefer people stick with a standard and not divert their attention all over the place. If it's to deal with griefers, exploiters, and other cheap tactics, then I guess I could understand that, but the pool of participants in unoffical ladders would be too small to justify any kind of accomplishment. So what if you reach the top? There's probably a lot of better, legit guilds you'd never go up against. Only because they didn't waste their time diverting their attention away from the standard. So maybe the standard should be governed better, but you should take that case up with Anet. If everyone starts trying the make their own ladder, then there is absolutely no way to guage your success. And that's why you need an all encompassing standard. Unless I missed something?
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Guild wars GvG's are basically just randomized... While on this ladder (like most) you can formally challenge any guild that is closely ranked to you.
So say if you're ranked 250 on the website (for gwl), you would be able to challenge up to 175-250 ranked guilds
That sort of thing
Just offers more competition
Considering if you played on this ladder you would also be playing for the ladder that Arena Net has provided.. so either way its a win win situation, with just schedualed GvG's.
theVariable
Thanks. That makes more sense 
Ok. So a structured ladder would be welcome, but you'd still want widespread adoption. Various, competing ladders would make that difficult. Good luck to anyone who wants to build up an unofficial ladder (including the OP)...
Ok. So a structured ladder would be welcome, but you'd still want widespread adoption. Various, competing ladders would make that difficult. Good luck to anyone who wants to build up an unofficial ladder (including the OP)...
OverlordTyrael
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Chastising a player for setting up an alternative ladder to ArenaNet's official trainwreck? Only on Guild Wars Guru!
The "official" ladder means nothing, and is in dire need of a frequent reset. This ladder seems like it will only comprise of worthwhile teams, will be adequetely "modded", and better fits the competitive spirit of the game. If my Guild weren't inactive due to college/uni starting, I'd sign up in a heartbeat. Nice one. |
Vax
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With only 20 open spots, and probably 15 of them dedicated to crap teams, I wouldn't be surprised if one guild from the top 30 of the official ladder joined and dominated everyone. There's no point in setting up a ladder with such few slots.
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i said the requirement for the ladder before it opens is 20
meaning before we can start the competition we need to have 20 teams on the ladder...
there can be an unlimited ammount of teams on the ladder..
Vax
Overlord how about you get your guild up on the ladder too? More guilds is more competition (and its a bonus for the ladder that you're good too :P )
OverlordTyrael
It's not that I dislike the idea of a third part ladder (although I wouldn't have the power to make such a decision anyway, but you can always make a post in the Black Rose Gaming public forums at www.blackrosegaming.com) it's the fact that I doubt any third party ladder will have enough good players to interest anyone. There's also the fact that much more prestige comes from being a top guild on the in game ladder when compared to a third party one.
Red Locust
How exactly do you plan on making the 5v5 work?
Vax
People sign up on the team
you put 5 people in the team for the Guild Vs. Guild match
And let the battle begin..
I dont understand what anyone wouldnt understand about that but okay lol
also if you were wondering 5 is the minimum to start a guild battle
thats why we made it 5v5
you put 5 people in the team for the Guild Vs. Guild match
And let the battle begin..
I dont understand what anyone wouldnt understand about that but okay lol
also if you were wondering 5 is the minimum to start a guild battle
thats why we made it 5v5
Red Locust
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People sign up on the team
you put 5 people in the team for the Guild Vs. Guild match And let the battle begin.. I dont understand what anyone wouldnt understand about that but okay lol also if you were wondering 5 is the minimum to start a guild battle thats why we made it 5v5 |
Plus the whole scam aspect of it. Team 1 enters gvg with 5 people, team 2 enters with 8, and it's gg thanks for rank/faction for team 1. Just doesn't seem like this idea will fly.
Vax
which is over course why there are rules to a LEAGUE website
You can spend your free time going through the rules on the website
and incase you havnet seen my last 1000 posts here is another link
http://mygwl.com < competition < guild wars < rules
If a team on the 5v5 ladder uses anymore than 5 people in that guild battle, all the other team has to do is take a screenshot of how many people are on the other team, and then send it to a GWL Guild Wars Admin (being me as I am the only one at the moment), and I would have to give a warning to that team that broke the rules, and then award a forfeit win to the team that reported the team with more than 5 people
You can spend your free time going through the rules on the website
and incase you havnet seen my last 1000 posts here is another link
http://mygwl.com < competition < guild wars < rules
If a team on the 5v5 ladder uses anymore than 5 people in that guild battle, all the other team has to do is take a screenshot of how many people are on the other team, and then send it to a GWL Guild Wars Admin (being me as I am the only one at the moment), and I would have to give a warning to that team that broke the rules, and then award a forfeit win to the team that reported the team with more than 5 people
Black Helll
no seriously go spam about this somewhere else
-z|o-
A well organized 3rd party ladder has better potentials than the official one. For one the rating/point system ranking is initialy flawed in its nature and could be easily exploited. Not to mention that at the moment the top 20 of official ladder consist of 16 teams. if im correct might be even less. Unofficial ladder would be taken much more serious than the official one if the top teams were to sign up.
I would be interested to see GWL ladder system/rules before even thinking of creating an account there though.
Thats what the screen shots are for.
I would be interested to see GWL ladder system/rules before even thinking of creating an account there though.
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Red Locust
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-z|o-
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That's all well and good, but screenshots won't stop a scam from happening. The potential for griefing is strongly present.
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As far as the ladder rules go ..
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I also hope that the rules are far from being finished becuase there are some "holes" in the and certain issues (updates/skill reblance) arent even covered.
Red Locust
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Perhaps you want to explain what you mean? So far it is nothing but empty words.
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zehly
<flame>I hate people who use forums to advertise their *whatever*. Go someplace else. I thought this was a legitimate post, but I feel defrauded..shafted, and it angers me. And I'm happy about it. Just start it on your own damn forum.</flame>
Stop spamming here.
Stop spamming here.
-z|o-
Whats wrong with advertising a game ladder on a game related forum as long as the mods dont have a proble with it? So stop trolling, or if you dont like a topic dont read it.
This is why you arrange an unrated match and take ss's before the game started. Didnt think it was that hard to figure it out.
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If you really need more explaining, add this on at the end: team 1 takes a screenshot after match is over, team 2 creates a smurf guild and repeats. It probably wont happen too often unless this ladder really takes off (which I doubt will happen), but "probably won't happen" isn't a good guarantee against griefing.
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Vax
To answer most of the questions, or statements
The rules are far from being done yes.. We will have to create new rules as we go along
The anti-gank rule is just made so that you actually have to fight a team on this ladder.. meaning if you want to gank go do a random match that doesnt involve GWL
yes it is up to the 2 teams to do a unrated or a rated battle.. the 8v8 battles wouldnt matter so much with doing a rated (because it would be a normal GvG)
but I do suggest that you do an unrated battle for the 5v5 ladder
and seriously im getting annoyed with people saying that I should stop advertising here... that is most possibly the stupidest thing ive ever heard anyone say because this site was made for Guild Wars, and this is something that involves Guild wars.. so why would i advertise something that I need to get attention from mass amounts of people by spamming it in game, and not post it on this website? that is retarded...
btw - post on the GWL website for questions about rules, game play, etc..
just saying that because I would prefer to answer questions there and not have to come here every day answering your questions
The rules are far from being done yes.. We will have to create new rules as we go along
The anti-gank rule is just made so that you actually have to fight a team on this ladder.. meaning if you want to gank go do a random match that doesnt involve GWL
yes it is up to the 2 teams to do a unrated or a rated battle.. the 8v8 battles wouldnt matter so much with doing a rated (because it would be a normal GvG)
but I do suggest that you do an unrated battle for the 5v5 ladder
and seriously im getting annoyed with people saying that I should stop advertising here... that is most possibly the stupidest thing ive ever heard anyone say because this site was made for Guild Wars, and this is something that involves Guild wars.. so why would i advertise something that I need to get attention from mass amounts of people by spamming it in game, and not post it on this website? that is retarded...
btw - post on the GWL website for questions about rules, game play, etc..
just saying that because I would prefer to answer questions there and not have to come here every day answering your questions
Xellos
Anti-Gank? Next your gonna tell people to line up single file and 1v1 it.
-z|o-
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The anti-gank rule is just made so that you actually have to fight a team on this ladder.. meaning if you want to gank go do a random match that doesnt involve GWL
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gg
Vax
Timer is on the interface
your guild lord is dead within 1 minute...
the team that got ganked screenshots
team that ganked gets warned / forfeits match
gg
your guild lord is dead within 1 minute...
the team that got ganked screenshots
team that ganked gets warned / forfeits match
gg
MuKen
It's your league, you can make whatever crazy rules you want, but if you want it to be taken seriously I suggest you avoid putting in rules banning various strategies just because you don't like them.
trialist
Why your idea won't work:
1.You don't control the game.
2.Your rules mean jack cause of 1.
3.Screenshots mean jack cause of 1. (Photoshop anyone?)
4.Is everyone gonna sign up? No? Filtered competition pool. (Boring).
5.Again having to do with 1, No iron fisted authority in game to enforce your rules = bitching filled ladder with rule breakers, finger pointers and trigger happy ladder banning mods killing an already less than credible ladder. GG.
1.You don't control the game.
2.Your rules mean jack cause of 1.
3.Screenshots mean jack cause of 1. (Photoshop anyone?)
4.Is everyone gonna sign up? No? Filtered competition pool. (Boring).
5.Again having to do with 1, No iron fisted authority in game to enforce your rules = bitching filled ladder with rule breakers, finger pointers and trigger happy ladder banning mods killing an already less than credible ladder. GG.
Red Locust
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I dont think anyone would want to play on a ladder with rules that cannot posible be enforced no monitored.
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Xellos
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Timer is on the interface
your guild lord is dead within 1 minute... the team that got ganked screenshots team that ganked gets warned / forfeits match gg |
Vax
i can handle being ganked..
but we havent been ganked in Vege (but btw i was kicked because they dont like me :P )
But back with Zealots Vengeance ganking wasnt a problem because we countered each gank
just saying that it would be a better ladder if the teams actually fought each other instead of just trying to end the map in 30 seconds
you can always gank by fighting a random team cant you?
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since you all seem to like ganking or being ganked
make a poll on the http://mygwl.com website in PvP GW forum
gwl home < forums < guild wars < Guild Wars PvP Discussion
i will start it off for you considering i already have an account and you just vote.. hf
of course if the vote is to remove the anti gank rule then we will do so
and if not? you can just cry i supose
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right if anyone wants to talk to me right now ..
irc.gamesurge.net
#guildwars
#gwguru
just pm me or something idk
but we havent been ganked in Vege (but btw i was kicked because they dont like me :P )
But back with Zealots Vengeance ganking wasnt a problem because we countered each gank
just saying that it would be a better ladder if the teams actually fought each other instead of just trying to end the map in 30 seconds
you can always gank by fighting a random team cant you?
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since you all seem to like ganking or being ganked
make a poll on the http://mygwl.com website in PvP GW forum
gwl home < forums < guild wars < Guild Wars PvP Discussion
i will start it off for you considering i already have an account and you just vote.. hf
of course if the vote is to remove the anti gank rule then we will do so
and if not? you can just cry i supose
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right if anyone wants to talk to me right now ..
irc.gamesurge.net
#guildwars
#gwguru
just pm me or something idk
trialist
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actually...
since you all seem to like ganking or being ganked make a poll on the http://mygwl.com website in PvP GW forum gwl home < forums < guild wars < Guild Wars PvP Discussion i will start it off for you considering i already have an account and you just vote.. hf of course if the vote is to remove the anti gank rule then we will do so and if not? you can just cry i supose |
varyag
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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish
Chastising a player for setting up an alternative ladder to ArenaNet's official trainwreck? Only on Guild Wars Guru!
The "official" ladder means nothing, and is in dire need of a frequent reset. This ladder seems like it will only comprise of worthwhile teams, will be adequetely "modded", and better fits the competitive spirit of the game. If my Guild weren't inactive due to college/uni starting, I'd sign up in a heartbeat. Nice one. |
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NO, You may NOT post GuildWars related content on the GuildWars Guru public forums! What was the OP thinking? ROFLCOPTER. Who cares about trying to constructively criticize a suggestion when we can just FLAME IT!!!!1111 LOLNUKE" |
Vax
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Wow, way to miss the point entirely. What we are concerned about isn't ganking but that you have absolutely no way at all to enforce any of the "rules" that you have put up. You are relying on people to be good sports and follow your rules like lemmings, but face it this isn't going to happen and rule breakers will exist. Your not having power over the game like anet does means you can't really do jack. It would be like if i buried 1k in my backyard and then put up a sign saying, "don't dig here, there isn't 1k buried here", and i go off to work, good luck if that 1k would still be there a half hour later.
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Of course .. it would have to be a poll because not just you but the entire public would have to decide the fate of a new rule or an exsisting one...
btw I do wnat to talk to you on IRC so get on
irc.gamesurge.net
#gwguru
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Why your idea won't work:
1.You don't control the game. 2.Your rules mean jack cause of 1. 3.Screenshots mean jack cause of 1. (Photoshop anyone?) 4.Is everyone gonna sign up? No? Filtered competition pool. (Boring). 5.Again having to do with 1, No iron fisted authority in game to enforce your rules = bitching filled ladder with rule breakers, finger pointers and trigger happy ladder banning mods killing an already less than credible ladder. GG. |
2. Rules keep the community in order and free of anarchy.
3. If screenshots are going to be a problem, then I suggest the other team makes a screenshot too; this would be when both teams start arguing in "All" chat.
4. Its not meant to be a "Filtered" competition.. Everyone is welcome
5 Again not trying to control the game, just trying to keep the community in order.. If there were no rules on the ladder, then it would just be another ladder.guildwars.com .
Spartan2
I don't understand everyone's problem with this. Having played in other leagues, such as TWL and CAL, I do not see why everyone brings up "Filtered" competition.
You can still fight whoever you want, in any way you want.
You will only fight against people who want to compete in an alterior fashion that you wish to partake in (ie Signing up for 5v5 only, 6v6 only, etc.).
If someone happens to break the rules, have everyone on your team screenshot, leave asap, and report. No free faction for them.
I would also highly suggest everyone on your team using Fraps or a variation to record matches unless it would be problematic by causing lag.
The only punishment for someone would be banishment from the league and a sense of blacklisting. Sure, they could come back but they'll be kicked just as fast.
I didn't agree with this idea at first but now that I have reconsidered, I could hardly care less whether someone fights for First Party or Third or both. However, giving them the choice to do more things and play in more varieties is a step in the right direction.
You can still fight whoever you want, in any way you want.
You will only fight against people who want to compete in an alterior fashion that you wish to partake in (ie Signing up for 5v5 only, 6v6 only, etc.).
If someone happens to break the rules, have everyone on your team screenshot, leave asap, and report. No free faction for them.
I would also highly suggest everyone on your team using Fraps or a variation to record matches unless it would be problematic by causing lag.
The only punishment for someone would be banishment from the league and a sense of blacklisting. Sure, they could come back but they'll be kicked just as fast.
I didn't agree with this idea at first but now that I have reconsidered, I could hardly care less whether someone fights for First Party or Third or both. However, giving them the choice to do more things and play in more varieties is a step in the right direction.
-z|o-
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Of course .. it would have to be a poll because not just you but the entire public would have to decide the fate of a new rule or an exsisting one...
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For one the rule isnt clear enough since you cant really define "mid-way". So just one word could become a reason for multiple disputes. Some people would consider flag stand only to be mid-way, some people would consider it to be anywhere outside guild hall. There is no way to monitor whether or not 2 teams engaged "mid-way" unless you are recording a match. But that would requier everybody demo rec it and not many people capable of it due to hardware/software limitations. Also, would running to the flagstand and wanding somebody once while the rest of you team backdooring be considered engaging? There are some rules that cannot be enforced simply due to game mechanics. And as far as ganking goes, you cant kill GL in reasonable 5 seconds anymore, but thats besides the point.
Btw Vax what is your affiliation with GWL? ... just wonder ...
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No kidding, and what was I saying in my last few posts?
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TheRealDecoy
A third-party ladder/torunament could be nice, but I think most people would want to wait and see how ANet runs their own tournaments before going off to play in others. Now that I think about it, that's probably one of the reasons ANet has yet to put in Observer Mode. Without it, it's harder for third-party groups to maintain tournaments (it's much easier when you have a tourney admin watching the entire match), so it forces most people to wait until ANet gets their stuff togeather. GG.
Mumblyfish
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I think most people would want to wait and see how ANet runs their own tournaments before going off to play in others.
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