Elike Skill spottings: Help make a list.

There is a Char Boss that uses hundred blades (I think he is in the Breach Mission). When you say Breach Mission do you mean a quest in the Breach? Or "The Great Northern Wall"? Or some other mission? I would like to go after this even if capping a quick skill is annoying.

Status on SoC unlocking: NEXT BUILD (which should be done already, got 2 builds since i read this) Just to confirm here: I just unlocked a normal skill using signet of capture and it's unlocked for pvp chars. A skill I captured yesterday is deffinetly not unlocked though.

Really sucks for people who have already unlocked elites I'm sure :/. Good thing they fixed it fast at least. If this were WoW we would of been waiting on an unlocking fix for a couple months.

Elite skill system may be bad, but it's tolerable at least. Ah, and here I though I was playing a game to enjoy it, not to tolerate it...

The elite syste's been a bad idea ever since it was introduced, it's been talked about, complained, and analyzed over and over since then but the ship's probably sailed. We'll always have elite skills in some way or form because they'll never admit it was a mistake at this point. Of course, that won't stop the developers from apparently trying to make the system worse.

Not just the SoC-only elites. That's just laughably misguided even if the SoC itself wasn't a horribly annoying and poorly implemented mechanism that destroys the flow of gameplay, leads to griefing and squabbling, and doesn't work the same for every character (Try capturing a stance if you're a Warrior, or anything at all if you're a Monk and you'll see what I mean. Sure, it can be done but it's not as simple as watch and click). At least before you could ignore the SoC and focus on other things...

It's just amazing how it seems as though everything related to the skill system has been getting worse and worse as the game's changed. Skill points are all but useless because you can now go out and find most of your skills if you have the time to spend questing. But that's okay because you can just buy skills at a trainer, especially those ones you missed questing, but you'll have to find them first and when you do they don't have much of a selection - you get those skills you could have quested for and that's it. And it all doesn't matter, either, because no matter what you'll need to track down a boss that's using the elite skills you want. We gave up the gem system for this mess?

For all the good things about GW, for all the great changes and nice additions, this 11th hour change to the skill system is just incredibly puzzling. Whatever happened to the ideas about diversity and customization? About letting people figure out for themselves what was best and not punishing them for making a mistake? And what about being able to test skills before you acquired them?

Anyhow, this talk probably deserves a topic all its own. Hunting down the elites is a worthwhile and important endeavour, and it gets my full support. When you do make a post, try and be as specific as possible. What area, what boss, what kind of monster was the boss, what other skills does it use, and everything else is nice to have. The more specific you are, the easier it is for people to find that boss on their own.

I think it's tolerable, but it's breaking game balance. I am well aware of that, however, the elite system is tolerable, and would take alot more time to revamp then to just let it be for now. Perhaps in the future, 3 months down the road, sure. But for now? SoC elite skill system blows.

The importance is that we focus on what is intolerable first, then focus on balance. Even if Guild Wars was 100% balanced, if no one could play it, there is no point. But I fully understand how the elite system breaks balance, and I do agree. But I'm realistically thinking that the system itself cannot be just instantly revamped within a few weeks let alone days, whereas the situation we have here only takes a backtrack to April BWE.

And just for the record Rex, I was referring to the Elite Skill System as in before the retail. Where it wasn't balanced, but didn't exactly require everyone to be a dog sniffing about bosses to get their ONE character a elite skill. I was talking about the system we've had for awhile now. The balance isn't perfect, but I was suggesting for Anet to backtrack it back there, then start to move forward again. Hope this clears things up.

Regarding elites with no casting times, (I don't know if this has changed, but it was true previously) after using SoC it capture the NEXT used skill that you don't have. Sooo... if you have all the skills that boss uses except for the elite, when it uses the elite you will get it.

Or so it used to be. I'm pvp'ing right now, and so can't quite test it Correction, during the beta, SoC would capture the *last* skill the boss used that you don't have.

Correction, during the beta, SoC would capture the *last* skill the boss used that you don't have. It still seems to work this way. I don't really see what everyone dislikes about the SoC system? Whenever you run into a boss you just spam click SoC and you'll eventually get a skill you didn't have. Sure it means a bit more PvE time than otherwise but it's not like it's a lot of time. I think some people are expecting way to much in the amount of PvE they can skip. I fully realize a lot of people want to skip all PvE period but a lot more people would be annoyed if that were possible because then PvE would have no purpose. I don't really like PvE much but I understand that if I can fully skip PvE then that trivalizes it for someone else who does enjoy it.