soloing grenths footprint

master skorm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

cws

W/Mo

well 105 build pwns in grenths footprint

105 health
protec spirit
mending
baltazars spirit
essence bond
bonetis
healing breeze
shield of judgment
baltazars aura

the trick is when u get to a heretic u do in this order
protec sprit
healing breeze
so when he strips ur enchantment u still have protec sprit on
just spam healing breeze and ull be ok

Batou of Nine

Batou of Nine

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

California, USA

Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T")

Mo/E

EDIT

Pfffft.

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

this guy rules, he realizes everyones going to know sooner or later, and anyone with half a brain would have already applied this build to Grenths. anyway, who grade competes in college? not us honors kids. lame.

mike9900

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manufactured Geek

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Batou of Nine
this needs to be deleted.

patch was created to try and stop this kind of thing.
You may have gotten angry at some1 for revealing ur runners build,
but you are now giving everyone else a reason to be angry with you.
your adding fuel to that last fire, and how does this help?

If ppl really wanted to do such a thing they would do it, this is again like giving others the answers to a test at school. But in college grade competition is everything, why would you help someone get a leg-up over yourself? idk...this just annoys me...
ok i know where you are coming from but stop it!

why are you whinning that someone wants to help people out?

maybe if arenanet wasnt messing up the in game economy every month with these patches then i would say sure keep money making methods to yourself but since they do screw with the economy sooooooo often y does it matter if people are sharing their ideas? No one is asking you to release all of your secrets so DON'T go around telling people no to release theirs the whole idea of a forum is to SHARE knowledge not flaunt that you have it and that your not going to share it.

All i am saying is that you should not go around telling people to stop sharing ideas and how dare you post "this needs to be deleted" if you don't like it don't read it and spend your time doing something else!

Yukito Kunisaki

Yukito Kunisaki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike9900
ok i know where you are coming from but stop it!

why are you whinning that someone wants to help people out?

maybe if arenanet wasnt messing up the in game economy every month with these patches then i would say sure keep money making methods to yourself but since they do screw with the economy sooooooo often y does it matter if people are sharing their ideas? No one is asking you to release all of your secrets so DON'T go around telling people no to release theirs the whole idea of a forum is to SHARE knowledge not flaunt that you have it and that your not going to share it.

All i am saying is that you should not go around telling people to stop sharing ideas and how dare you post "this needs to be deleted" if you don't like it don't read it and spend your time doing something else! Amen. However, ANet will probably just come up with another way to nerf said build by changing monsters in that area. however, the way this game evolves eternally, there will always be a way to solo farm Mo/X...

Mr_Slice

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Spirit of Elijah

E/Me

The economy is "messed up" because of farming builds and Ebay. That's why A-net has to "fix" it periodically. This is a common problem in MMO games, it's nothing new. And whether it is right or wrong is only a moral issue, not a matter of whether or not someone is cheating. So let the poster post what he wants.

A-net made it a point in an interview to say that they intentionally made Droks runnable for low-level characters, and that they have no problem with ingenuity and people who actually strategize and come up with builds to accomplish certain tasks. What they don't like is when it tips the PvP balance too far.

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

Good to know, I might have to dust off my mo/w and give it a shot! I understand that changes are made to the game to keep balance and order. However, it sometimes makes me feel like a-net is an indian giver. The game I paid $50 for 3 months ago isn't the same game today. A lot of the changes are good, but my monk has been nerfed to Sh*t, even for healing and protection which I did alot of. Heres an example: You buy a ferrari and take it home, for the next few months you enjoy driving your new car, you like the way it handles and feels. Then the car dealer sends you a letter one day "sorry, there is going to be an update to your new ferrari". You wake up the next morning after the update and realize your ferrari doesn't handle or feel the same. So, you call the dealer and ask them what updates they made. They say "we gave you a really cool green stereo with 10/10 sundering and +30hp!, but we decided your engine was to powerful and had to give you a ford escort engine and suspension, enjoy the new stereo, we are sending you a free music cd and nerf bat for being such a loyal customer!

Okay.............I want a gold refund from the skill trainers for every skill of mine that was nerfed!

A-net keep nerfin and I'll keep surfing for ways to beat you at your own game.

Mr_Slice

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Spirit of Elijah

E/Me

Again, you're playing an MMO-style game. This type of game is constantly updated. If you didn't know that when you started playing then you can blame yourself for not doing any research. A-net hasn't done anything wrong. They've done precisely what they are supposed to do, and done it very well at that.

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

I would like for you to show me where on the Guild Wars box that it say's "we will whip out the nerf bat and ruin your fun at will". Maybe it only says that on the special collectors edition?!?!?!?!?

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

pls .. not another "farming/no farming" thread

Ayashi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

Tenth Man Down

Me/N

WOOT! Thanks a ton, just got my mo/w rushed there. Time to get some pwnage stuff! <3

master skorm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

cws

W/Mo

yea the fun thing is killing the bosses for green items then selling the items to noobs with lots of money for like 65k

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

btw.. i already tried...

U cant go very far... heretic own u too fast with degen and, dunno from which mob, something makes u bleed and seems to go thru the prot spirit

edit: gave another try.. got bleeding hard to balance with breeze THEN shattered w/o any Heretic around ...

If u gotta be lucky and w8 that there s no Heretic etc around..this is a no go

(Pwning 3 dwarfs in a row down the slope outside the outpost in 4 hours is NOT soloing the place )

Frank The Tank

Frank The Tank

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/Mo

You really can't do enough damage to kill the bosses, though. All of the other minions are usually dead quickly and then you can't generate enough energy to keep up the damage or prot spirit.

I'll still stick with the 2-man runs, a lot more full proof.

Quote:
WOOT! Thanks a ton, just got my mo/w rushed there. Time to get some pwnage stuff! <3 105 build is a Mo/W build, not for the W/Mo tank.

Blkout

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Slice
Again, you're playing an MMO-style game. This type of game is constantly updated. If you didn't know that when you started playing then you can blame yourself for not doing any research. A-net hasn't done anything wrong. They've done precisely what they are supposed to do, and done it very well at that.
I concur.

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

I havent tried to solo with a Mo/W myself but judging from other people's failures to do so with Mo/W and my own experience with attempts with other classes... I don't think it's possible to make a solo build that's worth the time needed to solo the area.

Did the OP even use the build or is it theory? Anyone can solo the area with any class but it takes a long long long time and you'd die a lot. I'd like to see screenshots of anyone soloing the area with any kind of efficiency.

master skorm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

cws

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witchblade
btw.. i already tried...

U cant go very far... heretic own u too fast with degen and, dunno from which mob, something makes u bleed and seems to go thru the prot spirit

edit: gave another try.. got bleeding hard to balance with breeze THEN shattered w/o any Heretic around ...

If u gotta be lucky and w8 that there s no Heretic etc around..this is a no go

(Pwning 3 dwarfs in a row down the slope outside the outpost in 4 hours is NOT soloing the place ) you didnt read what i said the heretics are easy do this in this order
protec spirit
healing breeze
spam healing breeze like crazy heretics will go down fast the healing from divine favor will keep you alive and the bosses are extremly easy u just need to practice and learn it if someone gives me a website were i can post a movie i would be glad to

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

i read and i think u got quite lucky
u cant stand the degen + some dwarves shooting at u + bleeding

I dunno which ones of those damn things got Ench remove spell too

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki
Amen. However, ANet will probably just come up with another way to nerf said build by changing monsters in that area. however, the way this game evolves eternally, there will always be a way to solo farm Mo/X... only one way to stop the 105 or 55 or the elusive 35 monk (yes, it does exist) is to change the runes to not stack life. until that change is made there will be soloers. anet is not dumb they leave it open to solo they just make it harder. they know people like the build and don't want to see it removed completely.

if you have a brain you would have figured this out by now seeing as i was using almost the same set up the first night of update with my monk. you my be able to solo but its still not 100% and most bosses you can't kill alone seeing as they have a constant hp regen. don't flame or troll on that last comment and say you can b/c i've been doing this for weeks and some of them is impossible alone (aka healing sig and mark of protection).

ele/mo have more of a better chance in grenths then the mo/w does seeing as you kill faster reducing the chance for bleeding and dmg delt to you but it still has the same problems.

Riceboi

Riceboi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

master skorm I would like to see a video of you soloing this area. You can use filefront to upload a video, and it's free.

http://freespace.filefront.com/1

If you don't want to create a login (which doesn't take very long), I can host it, not sure how we can exchange it though. I am really interested in this video though.

I have tried this and I think it might be possible , but it's extremely hard. I can't get past heretics, conjure phan. is just too much degen stacked with other things.

Here are some problems:
Gnashers-life siphon -3
Rangers-bleeding -3
Carvers-disrupting chop(minor problem but can be fatal)
Heretics-strip enchantment and conjure phan. -5 (major problem)
Ice golems-not really a problem but knockdown with water trident if you are moving

legandry

legandry

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Houston, Tejas

Morbidly Obese Terror Squad

E/Mo

Sure, you can kill bosses. It takes a long time, and heretics will own you just about no matter what.

The degen looks like this:
crippling anguish= -3 pips
conjure phantasm= -5 pips
bleeding from melrandu's arrows= -3 pips
if there is a gnasher too, then life siphon= -3 pips
total= -11(or 14) pips if there is a heretic

And the regen looks like this:
mending= 4 pips
breeze= 8 pips (might change if you put a diff amount into healing)
watchful= 2 pips (though this is rarely run in my experience)
total= 12(or 14) pips, but you must maintain healing breeze

Maintining breeze is actually quite a lot harder than it sounds, as you will most likely encounter carvers who love disrupting chop. If you get disrupted, you have the joy of waiting 22 seconds with only 4(or 6) pips of regen against 11(or 14) degen. Needless to say, If your healing breeze is disrupted, and there is a heretic, you are screwed. I won't even talk about the effect of shatter enchantment, as it is too obvious.

If you do not encounter any heretics, the most degen you can have on you is 6 pips, and a 4 pip mending with a DF bonus every 5 seconds or so should be enough to keep you alive even without breeze.

Bottom line is that if there is a heretic, you have virtually no chance of killing it unless you find a great build using SB or something of the like.

Just to prove that I have done it, here's a pic of my monk just after she killed flint (notice the text in the bottom left hand of the screen). I have killed him and a few other bosses who spawn there before, but I still have not had a green drop for me

http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/8...adflint1ze.png

Good luck to you all

Almighty Zi

Almighty Zi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Cheltenham, England

Servants Of Fortuna Victrix

I think your original post was a little misleading. Reading between the lines, I wouldn't exactly say that a monk can solo Grenth's Footprint or that the '105 monk pwns in grenths footprint'.

Just about any build can kill groups of certain enemies within a particular map, but have trouble or cannot kill other groups of enemies on the same map. This is true of the 105 monk in Grenth's Footprint. From the screenshot I can see that you killed Flint and that you took the shortest and safest route to get to him but I dont think that you fare as well against the necro and mesmer bosses. Also, I don't think that 105 monks have enough damage output to kill Yakslapper.

On the subject of solo farming, I have solo farmed UW but i soon got bored and felt isolated. I now farm with 2 or 3 of my guildies and I enjoy the experience so much more. I'd say that if you want to farm Genth's Footprint, get a farming PUG at the warcamp, there's loads there, or get a few guildies to come with you. You may find that because you can clear the map quicker, you get just as many drops.

AtomicMew

AtomicMew

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by wsmcasey
...it sometimes makes me feel like a-net is an indian giver. I understand your point, but please don't use that term. It is racist.

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by legandry
but I still have not had a green drop for me when I went thru there if i did fight a boss i would get blue items... i was like uhhh ok w/e.

I already have what i need(expet my PRECIOUS STUFF; FIND IT DANG IT!); Id just like to see this for myself, the green items.

Gabriel Fallen Monk

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mary Land

Infusion INF

Mo/Me

that term is racist? cmon man grow some nuts. I hate that politically correct crap, people need to speak their mind the world would be a lot simpler.

John Waffletord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Baltimore, MD, USA

Quote:
Originally Posted by legandry
Sure, you can kill bosses. It takes a long time, and heretics will own you just about no matter what.

The degen looks like this:
crippling anguish= -3 pips
conjure phantasm= -5 pips
bleeding from melrandu's arrows= -3 pips
if there is a gnasher too, then life siphon= -3 pips
total= -11(or 14) pips if there is a heretic

And the regen looks like this:
mending= 4 pips
breeze= 8 pips (might change if you put a diff amount into healing)
watchful= 2 pips (though this is rarely run in my experience)
total= 12(or 14) pips, but you must maintain healing breeze

Maintining breeze is actually quite a lot harder than it sounds, as you will most likely encounter carvers who love disrupting chop. If you get disrupted, you have the joy of waiting 22 seconds with only 4(or 6) pips of regen against 11(or 14) degen. Needless to say, If your healing breeze is disrupted, and there is a heretic, you are screwed. I won't even talk about the effect of shatter enchantment, as it is too obvious.

If you do not encounter any heretics, the most degen you can have on you is 6 pips, and a 4 pip mending with a DF bonus every 5 seconds or so should be enough to keep you alive even without breeze.

Bottom line is that if there is a heretic, you have virtually no chance of killing it unless you find a great build using SB or something of the like.

Just to prove that I have done it, here's a pic of my monk just after she killed flint (notice the text in the bottom left hand of the screen). I have killed him and a few other bosses who spawn there before, but I still have not had a green drop for me

http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/8...adflint1ze.png

Good luck to you all Question reguarding degen.. If you're getting 14 pips of degen alone, it only gives you 10 pips, but if you add 10 pips of regen, will you still be getting 4 pips of degen?

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

Thanks for making me out to be a racist Traversc. You and I know that I meant nothing racist by my remark. My wife is asian. I have black friends. I have Mexican friends. I don't know any Indians but I'm sure I could be friends with them too. It's sensitive people like you that ruin life for the rest of us. Now its politically incorrect to say "Sitting Indian Style" in our public schools here in Texas, now the children are taught to say "Criss Cross Apple Sauce" when the teachers want them to sit on the floor with there legs crossed. FTW??? Get over it Prominent Citizen!

Indian Giver
There are two popular etymologies for this term for a person who gives a gift only to later demand its return. The first is that it is based on an unfair stereotype of Native Americans, that they don't keep their word. In the other popular explanation, the term doesn't cast aspersions on Native Americans, instead it echoes the broken promises the whites made to the Indians. Neither is accurate, although the first is closer to the truth.

Instead the term comes from different commercial practices. To the Native Americans, who had no concept of money or currency, gifts were a form of trade goods, of exchange. One didn't give a gift without expecting one of equivalent value in return. If one could not offer an equivalent return gift, the original gift would be refused or returned. To the Europeans, who with their monetary-based trade practices, this seemed low and insulting, gifts were not for trade but were to be freely given.

The noun Indian gift dates to 1765. Indian giver follows about a century later in 1865. Originally, these reflected simply the expectation of a return gift. By the 1890s, the sense had shifted to mean one who demands a gift back.


I didn't want to post this, but I felt the urge to defend myself, lets please stay on the subject at hand.

Arcador

Arcador

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

--

R/N

Almost every area can be taken out in a very specific solo build - you just have to know all enemies, their skills and make a build that uses counter of them.

Riceboi

Riceboi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Waffletord
Question reguarding degen.. If you're getting 14 pips of degen alone, it only gives you 10 pips, but if you add 10 pips of regen, will you still be getting 4 pips of degen?
Yes you will still be getting degen of 4.

smurfhunter

smurfhunter

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

my w/mo uses mending, orison, and healing breeze. you cant kill him.

Sand Scorpions [SS]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witchblade
btw.. i already tried...

U cant go very far... heretic own u too fast with degen and, dunno from which mob, something makes u bleed and seems to go thru the prot spirit

edit: gave another try.. got bleeding hard to balance with breeze THEN shattered w/o any Heretic around ...

If u gotta be lucky and w8 that there s no Heretic etc around..this is a no go

(Pwning 3 dwarfs in a row down the slope outside the outpost in 4 hours is NOT soloing the place ) the bleeding thing which goes 'thru' prot spirit would be melandrus. im like 99% sure the ranger/stone summit equivalents use it. it does higher damage with more enchants, so yea...

i thin the best you could proably do this at would be a 2 man, maybe either going 1 good tank and one e/mo smiter/healer. or 1 monk with a uw build and one with a double echoed spellbreaker. problem with the second one is they always go for that second monk and it sucks

AtomicMew

AtomicMew

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriel Fallen Monk
that term is racist? cmon man grow some nuts. I hate that politically correct crap, people need to speak their mind the world would be a lot simpler. You don't need to be racist to speak your mind (unless you are racist). This term is well beyond "that politically correct crap."

cookiehoarder

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Melbourne, Florida.

[HTR]

I can see it now...Drain enchant AND shatter enchant...Hell why not toss in inspried? Anet has gotta put that in :/

Batou of Nine

Batou of Nine

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

California, USA

Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T")

Mo/E

oh wow this thread went way off subject...

Btw, concerning my original post in this thread...I was venting about a lot of fustrations i have with Anet; i just took it out on the wrong guy, wrong time, wrong place. It also seems like every new build i figure out, shortly after, someone blurts the whole setup online, just coincidence i know, its just fustrating. Then again, for something like this, i guess there is no real problem with helping ppl have more fun with the game eh? (lol, since Anet keeps nerfing the last "5 minutes of fun")

I am not that stupid, to think its directly comparable to "cheating" and i know soloing will always exist. I guess there are an infinite amount if things that will always hold game economy in flux (i.e. Ebay, Runners, Updates, Nerfs, Soloing/farming, etc).

Thats why my 'fix' as of late has changed completely from PvE, to constant PvP. It's weird though, i still find myself addicted to farming...LMAO

My two cents...

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by traversc
You don't need to be racist to speak your mind (unless you are racist). This term is well beyond "that politically correct crap." Are you a Native American Indian?

master skorm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

cws

W/Mo

ok heres were im at
watchfulspirit 2 regen
mending 5 regen
healing breeze 7-8 regen
you shouldnt be getting much degen i dont understand whats wrong

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
only one way to stop the 105 or 55 or the elusive 35 monk (yes, it does exist) is to change the runes to not stack life. until that change is made there will be soloers. anet is not dumb they leave it open to solo they just make it harder. they know people like the build and don't want to see it removed completely. Exactly, but instead they will add all of these nerfs and then once they finally realize they can't do enough about they'll finally cause them not to stack. At which point a lot of areas will be no fun to play with enchantments anyway.

Detis Zan

Detis Zan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Guardians of the Black Curtain [GBC]

N/Me

Given that there is 4 pips of degen you could (if you're a necro of somesort) Use Blood renewal for that extra 6

But seeing that's a lot of skills just to stay ALIVE and still with all the disenchant I don't think it would still be all that possible =P

Blkout

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Its next to impossible to solo this area for long, you may get past a few mobs but sooner or later they will take you down without any help. The problems really start when you get down to 1-2 creatures out of the large mobs since you can't generate enough energy to keep your skills going.

Rancour

Rancour

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Camp Rancor (Rancour :D)

I'm a free spirit (that's not what the guild is called, I just am)

W/R

When you say "solo" do you mean all by yourself or with henchies?

Blkout

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rancour
When you say "solo" do you mean all by yourself or with henchies?
All by yourself.