Originally Posted by Teufel Eldritch
Not to offend Algern in anyway. In fact it's a compliment in a twisted way but... why you haven't gotten PM's & he has is because Algern is the resident ahole & you aren't.
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The Gold Supremacy!
Algren Cole
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cookiehoarder
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Originally Posted by Storm_Chaser
If u cant read, this thread isnt for u! I said it up there that I USED TO wield a collectors weapon, but now I have money why would i settle for that? You say that Sundering and Fortitude are useless MODs?? Well I personally think that ur still a NOOB. In PVP or GVG Sundering is very important beacause of all the high armored warriors out there. It somehow, adds more damage to your attack because of the armor penetration. Theres more to be said but I feel that im just wasting my time on u.
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Sundering=Crap
Fortitude=Crap
Defensive Mod=Hooray!!!
To your original post. Not once have I ever given any thought to how my character's armor/weapon looked. The color of the name to me doesn't mean anything, but when the item's name is "The Bludginator" I can't resist it!!
Jetdoc
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Originally Posted by Ryun
I actually do measure other players, at times, by their equipment. No, I'm not impressed when I see a firey dragon sword or fellblade (very few people can afford a properly modded 15>50 fellblade) on a warrior, a storm bow on a ranger, etc. Rather, I look at that and think "crap, he's on my team and he's using an inferior weapon."
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Needless to say, he'll throw up Mending a few seconds later, and I'll just write off the match.
Mumblyfish
You forgot to mention he'd be wearing full Knight's Armour.
cookiehoarder
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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish
You forgot to mention he'd be wearing full Knight's Armour.
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Let's hope he has healing breeze!!!
Storm_Chaser
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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish
Huge generalisation. I'm not in love with pretty colours, blinking lights and whatever's the "in" thing. I, and a lot of people, prefer maximum efficacy and cost effectiveness to the wallet-rapists you believe make the better player.
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Lynnrose
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Originally Posted by Jetdoc
I absolutely agree. Whenever I see a warrior with either a dragon sword or a fellblade, or even better - an eternal shield, I'm automatically thinking "what else does this guy not get?"
Needless to say, he'll throw up Mending a few seconds later, and I'll just write off the match. |
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by EternalTempest
All I read when anet was trying to cut bots, etc. was the complaints when they started nerfing stuff. Now anet does the reverse and floods the market causing everything to go down and complaints again.
If golds are dropping in price it's due to lack of demand so to they have to be sold at lesser cost. I'm so glad anet is flooding the world with items to make everything cheaper. And the green are a status symbol. Just like Fow Armor. Anet has changed the game so the people who are use to the old economy and high priced items are being forced to change the way they play and of course there not going to like it. I love the changes becuase I can get thing cheaper and do more skill capture, quests, and mess around with PvP. |
do you know what happens to an economy when you flood it with anything?
Rancour
You're right Amand, weapons and shields aren't an indication of the players skill. However, some might be wielding a gold sword because they're glad they got something a little more special. That's why I like gold items. They're harder to find and there's more possibilities because of the upgrade system, so obviously it's harder to get a good gold items than it is to find a good green item, right?
That means that if you finally get hold of the gold sword you always wanted and upgraded it as you wanted, you feel alot more excited about it because you actually worked for it. Killing a boss to get a green item isn't exactly hard; collecting 5 trophy items for a collector isn't a challenge either. That's why it's so nice to get something you've been hunting for for a long time.
Atleast that's why I like gold items...
Also, "sign of reality-loss"? It's a game - there's SUPPOSED to be a certain amount of reality-loss, as long as it doesn't go to the extremes and it becomes a permanent reality-loss.
This is a gaming board which means we're here to discuss the game. There's no need to drag subjects such as "reality-loss" into it. Simply discussing economy in a game could be called reality-loss, but I'm pretty sure everyone here knows exactly what's reality and what's not. The point is that we're playing a game so we naturally discuss things that aren't important in real-life but important in the game.
That's what gaming boards are here for!
That means that if you finally get hold of the gold sword you always wanted and upgraded it as you wanted, you feel alot more excited about it because you actually worked for it. Killing a boss to get a green item isn't exactly hard; collecting 5 trophy items for a collector isn't a challenge either. That's why it's so nice to get something you've been hunting for for a long time.
Atleast that's why I like gold items...
Also, "sign of reality-loss"? It's a game - there's SUPPOSED to be a certain amount of reality-loss, as long as it doesn't go to the extremes and it becomes a permanent reality-loss.
This is a gaming board which means we're here to discuss the game. There's no need to drag subjects such as "reality-loss" into it. Simply discussing economy in a game could be called reality-loss, but I'm pretty sure everyone here knows exactly what's reality and what's not. The point is that we're playing a game so we naturally discuss things that aren't important in real-life but important in the game.
That's what gaming boards are here for!
TeK 23
Hehehe. These posts are so funny.
I just started playing about a month ago. Well me and my bro don't see the rational behind the cost of some items. For one you can make the same thing for much less and mods aren't that rare. As we have found most mods, that are worth 80K+ in only a month of playing.
Now we played Diablo II since (Beta) and never found items as easy as in this game. The game isn't designed around PvE. It's CALLED "Guild Wars" (PvP) and designed to have an even playing field when it comes to items, equipment, etc.... This is where skill takes over and exactly we I've been looking for.
If you are looking for something else. Then this isn't your game.
I just started playing about a month ago. Well me and my bro don't see the rational behind the cost of some items. For one you can make the same thing for much less and mods aren't that rare. As we have found most mods, that are worth 80K+ in only a month of playing.
Now we played Diablo II since (Beta) and never found items as easy as in this game. The game isn't designed around PvE. It's CALLED "Guild Wars" (PvP) and designed to have an even playing field when it comes to items, equipment, etc.... This is where skill takes over and exactly we I've been looking for.
If you are looking for something else. Then this isn't your game.
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by sgtbenc
Well that link didn't work.
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so change the link back to what it's supposed to be....
Mumblyfish
Tried to ninja-edit, but you beat me. Doesn't seem nearly as witty, now.
Rancour
Making fun the poor people who have handicaps and aren't as fortunate as us is a horrible thing to do. Make fun of me if you like; I really don't care, but making fun of people who mental illnesses or physical problems really isn't a good thing.
I'm not gonna flame you because I don't take you seriously at all when you do things like that.
Anyway, discussing on this discussion board is the whole POINT of a discussion board. Discussing with someone you don't know personally doesn't make the discussion retarded, stupid or any less intellectual (sp?).
I'm not gonna flame you because I don't take you seriously at all when you do things like that.
Anyway, discussing on this discussion board is the whole POINT of a discussion board. Discussing with someone you don't know personally doesn't make the discussion retarded, stupid or any less intellectual (sp?).
Sir Skullcrasher
can't we all just get along and play something else...
*hand flame shield to everyone*
*hand flame shield to everyone*
Teklord
There's an awful lot of PvE content in a game designed around PvP (not my belief, just what some people keep saying).
The title of a game matters about as much as the title of a new headline. Ever seen the one "Police help dog bite victum". Think about it for a second, one mis-placed comma changes the whole meaning.
Its a PvE and a PvP game. Half-Life 2 would be another example, just a different genre.
Edit: And I'll never get tired of pointing this out.
The title of a game matters about as much as the title of a new headline. Ever seen the one "Police help dog bite victum". Think about it for a second, one mis-placed comma changes the whole meaning.
Its a PvE and a PvP game. Half-Life 2 would be another example, just a different genre.
Edit: And I'll never get tired of pointing this out.
Rancour
*Uses Shield Stance*
Ok, ok, I see you wanted to use a funny joke and that's ok. I just really can't see the fun in joking about disabled people. I like witty jokes and other funny pics, just not disabled people. I don't like that.
But sorry if I'm being a little... Gee what's the word... Overreactive?
Ok, ok, I see you wanted to use a funny joke and that's ok. I just really can't see the fun in joking about disabled people. I like witty jokes and other funny pics, just not disabled people. I don't like that.
But sorry if I'm being a little... Gee what's the word... Overreactive?
Sir Skullcrasher
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Originally Posted by sgtbenc
GEEZ MAN! get a life. I have been waiting a long time for an opportunity to use this.
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Sanji
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Originally Posted by Storm_Chaser
WHY SHOULD (OTHER)GOLD ITEMS BE LESS VALUABLE NOW AFTER THE UPDATE?
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So, to anwser your question: They are less valuable because farmers are slowly becoming obsolete thanks to the game having better ways to distribute Gold items to players.
Storm_Chaser
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Originally Posted by Sanji
Their "value" was set by powerfarmers and powersellers. Now it's easier for a casual player who might not have been able to obtain Gold before to get a suitable weapon without dropping 100K.
So, to anwser your question: They are less valuable because farmers are slowly becoming obsolete thanks to the game having better ways to distribute Gold items to players. |
well, if gold prices are really going down.....anyone wanna buy my rare max dam longsword (req 9) 15>50 +30hp sundering 8%???
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Storm_Chaser
thanks for answering my question. thats prob another reason why prices for gold should drop.
well, if gold prices are really going down.....anyone wanna buy my rare max dam longsword (req 9) 15>50 +30hp sundering 8%??? |
I'll give you 500 gold for it
Storm_Chaser
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
I'll give you 500 gold for it
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Storm_Chaser
ADMIN, you guys can close this thread now. i learned everything there is to be learned in here. just wanna thank u guys for all the possitive and negative post! and for those of you that i have offended, i give u my sincere apology.
stumpy
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Originally Posted by Storm_Chaser
Point of this story is:
People are in love with colors, big numbers and popularity. NOT with Practicality and Availability. If a Perfect collector's weapon was available, no one would want one (Other than us smart people who see the common sence in using a *good* item highly available to us) because everyone else has it. ----------------------- |
ty for this! [/QUOTE]
sorry am I mis understanding you ... I am just catching up ... I had to work so I am just following up on the pages I missed ... but wasn't your original post stating that gold items are rare, they are for the top people who will spend nedless amounts of cash, they make you feel invincible, do NOT compare gold items with blue or green items?
Collector's items are available to us ... of course we will have to upgrade them add on our mods ... but in reality they are equal to and greater than most gold items ... the only gold items you will find that beat collector items are
staffs and wands with perfect 10% on all skills mods
swords, axes, and bows, with 15% always mods with side affect that doesnt hinder the profession's function
the off hand focus items with + health imo, are not nearly as useful as the 20% recharges, etc.
Everyone has there opinions but ... most gold items are not worth their money. Heres a question ... will you settle for a perfect, favourite beer, or and almost perfect beer? Steak? How about wife?
Perspective plays a huge role in the economy and unfortunately common sense is completely eluded.
'Yes I want that 'Hale Max Damage Fire Staff of Fortitude with plus 40 health, improves cast speed 5% for 100K, cause Im gonna really R0xx0r my enemies now.'
And I will pay 1000 for the items needed and run my azz to the collector, pick up that perfect wand/foci or staff and be more effective.
Aracos79
Wow... this topic is still open? I would've figured it would be locked down by now. :P
Neau Quickblade
It isnt like they dropped prices that much, they didnt make a green crystalline sword or a green storm bow they just simple gave others a chance to get a few good items. The crystalline swords and all of those elite items are still going to give u a nice paycheck at the end of the day, they were just keeping out the 'lower' class
stumpy
If you would prefer I use word to spellcheck my posts ... I think that is a little absurd. Another hate list added me ... my god ... I am sorry but I do type too fast and rarely read over my post. What I am saying while I am typing is going to come out. Frankly I don't care for your opinion but appreciate the useless post count from someone who has nothing better to do. Next time you decide to join any sort of discussion ... why not post anything related to it.
Lynnrose
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Originally Posted by stumpy
If you would prefer I use word to spellcheck my posts ... I think that is a little absurd. Another hate list added me ... my god ... I am sorry but I do type too fast and rarely read over my post. What I am saying while I am typing is going to come out. Frankly I don't care for your opinion but appreciate the useless post count from someone who has nothing better to do. Next time you decide to join any sort of discussion ... why not post anything related to it.
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Carinae
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Originally Posted by Sanji
Their "value" was set by powerfarmers and powersellers. Now it's easier for a casual player who might not have been able to obtain Gold before to get a suitable weapon without dropping 100K.
So, to anwser your question: They are less valuable because farmers are slowly becoming obsolete thanks to the game having better ways to distribute Gold items to players. |
Prices are set the way they are in any economy: By the Buyers. Period.
If people weren't willing to pay those prices, then the prices would fall.
That said, the latest update does seem to be a better way to distribute gold items to the general population without completely trashing the economy. In effect, Anet 'harnessed' the farmers, rather than nerfing them. Well Done Anet.
Ensign
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Originally Posted by Storm_Chaser
WHY SHOULD (OTHER)GOLD ITEMS BE LESS VALUABLE NOW AFTER THE UPDATE?
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Peace,
-CxE
Manderlock
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Originally Posted by Storm_Chaser
I want ur IDEAS and THOUGHTS on this thread! I wouldn't care if you Flame me or anyone else in this thread! But one thing is for sure, that this question will be answered here today!!!
WHY SHOULD (OTHER)GOLD ITEMS BE LESS VALUABLE NOW AFTER THE UPDATE? Why? Is it because u can get a GREEN version of it? Or is it because you can now get one from a crafter? People, I personally think that ANET put 'em GREEN items and items u can get from a crafter for one sole purpose...to give people that doesn't have millions of plat a chance to hold a weapon with MAX DAM (LOW REQ) +15>50 SUNDERING/FURIOUS 10% +30HP!! Seriously, tell me how much is a Perfect sword pommel or a perfect sundering/furious upgrade cost??? A LOT!!! If you see some1 selling a gold item you cannot just go up to him and say "hey il buy ur perfect sword for 100k only, you know why? because u can get green items with the same stats!" OMFG!!! Then why don't you just FARM for a green sword that looks like mine in SF or GF??? Don't friggin insult my intelligence with that smart a@@ remark! Because for all I know, PERFECT GREEN ITEMS ARE EASILY FOUND! I found 2 perfect green items in 3 runs on SF (bows that looks like a halfmoon) and sold them for 23K each in Ascalon! WHY DID I DO THAT??? Simple, that's what its intended for! To be sold for some people who doesn't have enough money to buy a perfect weapon. Now do I care if they're going to re-sell that for more? No. Just the fact that I was spamming that under the Local/Trade channel so people will see how/what Greens should really worth is all Im after. Now, for all of you GOLD lovers....do you feel good when ur wielding a green item in battle? how 'bout a blue item from a collector? I personally don't. Wielding a perfect gold weapon just makes me feel INVINCIBLE!! The looks....its color...ahhhh refreshing!! From my personal experience playing here in GW, My first character w/c is an Elementalist, wielded a collectors item with +26Hp. But after playing hours after hours....going to LA to buy and sell...haggling with some people...ripping off the noobs....farming back then in riverside...I got rich! Then I did what some of us would do...start a new game with another character! But this time, my character will be godlly!! (xcuse me for using that word!) he will have the best armor and the best gold weapon the game can offer! So I did exactly that! Now going back to the topic! Perfect GOLD weapons are for rich people and people who can afford it. Perfect gold weapons should still be expensive because THEY ARE HARD to come by! Do not compare them with those Green Items that you can easily find in SF. Perfect gold items should still be expensive because THEY ARE RARE AND HARD TO COME BY!!! If Green items and blue items make u feel good when wielding them I respect that, BUT please Do Not compare them with GOLD items! Now that I have said my piece, tell me yours! BRING IT ON!!! |
Ok, where to start. With more P gold items on the market that means that they are worth less. Chests put more P gold items out there.
And dont say they are for rich people, I give items away that I dont need. You know why? beacause I dont need them. HAHA at they are hard to come by, they wherent hard before the update, and they are easyer to find now. Its a game I dont care if you have 500 trillion gp, you still are not "rich".
Sanji
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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
Sigh. The conspiracy theorists again. There is no 'union' for powersellers/farmers.
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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
They don't hoard gold items.
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And they NEVER set prices.
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If Anet had intended items to be worth over 100 Plat, they probably would have made it so characters could hold 100 Plat without resorting to using ecto bargining chips.
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That said, the latest update does seem to be a better way to distribute gold items to the general population without completely trashing the economy. In effect, Anet 'harnessed' the farmers, rather than nerfing them. Well Done Anet.
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Storm_Chaser
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Originally Posted by Manderlock
Ok, where to start. With more P gold items on the market that means that they are worth less. Chests put more P gold items out there.
And dont say they are for rich people, I give items away that I dont need. You know why? beacause I dont need them. HAHA at they are hard to come by, they wherent hard before the update, and they are easyer to find now. Its a game I dont care if you have 500 trillion gp, you still are not "rich". |
Storm_Chaser
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Originally Posted by Sanji
Just because I think that there are people who spend way too much time farming or way too much time screaming like idiots in Lion's Arch doesn't mean I think there's a conspiracy.
Didn't say that either. I don't think people getting away with selling items at absurd prices means the market is buyer driven. It was just a sign that money had little use to many players. Gold should eventually become worth a lot now as a result of Gold beings more likely to be destroyed rather than given to other players and remaining in circulation. If Anet had intended items to be worth over 100 Plat, they probably would have made it so characters could hold 100 Plat without resorting to using ecto bargining chips. The economy was trashed to begin with. Anet if harnessed anything, they harnessed self-sufficience for the player that doesn't have the time to play abnormally to achieve decent end game gear and PvP unlocks. |
Sainte
Bet my char with PvP or Collector items can easily own you with your gold or green junk and flashy chaos axe/eternal shield.
Manderlock
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Originally Posted by Storm_Chaser
pls dont get urself confused. i am not talking about gold items that only has 13>50 +14 while enchanted/hexed blah blah blah. i am talking about longswords, fells, crystallines and those stuff. now tell me as honest as u can, in ur time playing this game, have u ever picked up a rare item with 15>50 max dam low req in ur entire life playing gw? if u did, did u just give it away?? those swords/bows are hard to find by just doing missions/quests. n u said they are easier to find now? why? did u find one? and a lot of people would say im rich IF I EVER HAD 500 TRILLION GP!!
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Only delusinal people would tell you your rich. Yes I have, and as a matter of fact I bought a 15>50 fellblade just the other day, know what I paid for it? 3k, chew on that.
Aracos79
Is this thread STILL open? Well... at least the flames have calmed down a little bit. On topic: Gold items (like all other high priced items in GW) are vanity items only. Ever since the faction system was introduced, there is no need to pay for gold max items, as the only other function they served was as a source of unlocks.
Mumblyfish
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Originally Posted by Manderlock
Only delusinal people would tell you your rich. Yes I have, and as a matter of fact I bought a 15>50 fellblade just the other day, know what I paid for it? 3k, chew on that.
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lord_shar
Just to avoid the flaming and returning to the orginal subject...
Some gold rares like max crystallines, sephis axes, etc... are still commanding super-high asking prices because no green equivalent has yet been located. The graphics model definitely affects asking prices just as much as the weapon's stats -- call it the "EYE-CANDY factor."
Yes, greens and weapon crafters now provide identically spec'd alternatives, but take these two weapons:
Both nearly identical, neither all that great, but the 2nd always draws many more complements during missions that the former. The questions is this: are you willing to shell out more plat just for the better looking costume jewelry?
Some gold rares like max crystallines, sephis axes, etc... are still commanding super-high asking prices because no green equivalent has yet been located. The graphics model definitely affects asking prices just as much as the weapon's stats -- call it the "EYE-CANDY factor."
Yes, greens and weapon crafters now provide identically spec'd alternatives, but take these two weapons:
Both nearly identical, neither all that great, but the 2nd always draws many more complements during missions that the former. The questions is this: are you willing to shell out more plat just for the better looking costume jewelry?
trelloskilos
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Originally Posted by Storm_Chaser
c ur calling names too moron! LOL!!!
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Storm_Chaser - in answer to your post, gold items are cheaper bgecause they're easier to get. Why should anyone buy a "l33t g0dly" whatever for 50k+ when all they have to do is buy a couple of chest keys - about 5-10 should be adequate - and get a few gold items from there instead?
People aren't stupid. (well, most aren't. Some of your responses to the people who have answered your question don't exactly put you in a good light here...)
Anyway, Anet never intended for gold items to sell for 100k+. Those sorts of figures were from greedy traders. Didn't the fact that characters can only carry maximum amounts of 100k give you a clue? Or even the merchan't quotes?
Say what you like to others on this thread, troll and flame all you want. It don't change the fact that gold items are seriously devalued, and there's nothing you can do about it. In other words, YOU'RE SCREWED!!!!!!!!!!
or in language that you might actually understand:
OMFG!LOL+!1!U fukkin' n00b l00z3r!! U ju5t l05t all ur g0ld! Ur "glodly weps" r n0w [email protected] U r PWNED!!! LMAO!!ROFLCOPTER!!!\m/>_<\m/