War Camp... someone spams LFG for farming bosses. Kewl, I'm bored, tell him I'll go. Asks what class, ranger.
Nothing.
Rinse, repeat through multiple groups.
Is there a reason that rangers are being blown off now in Grenth's? I can keep an enemy monk so busy casting Mend Ailment that he can't heal a thing, I can tank the stone summit slashers or whateverthehell the fighters are while the party eradicates the casting crew... seriously, what gives?
Not a real big deal... made my own party, accepted all invites, first come first joined.. had a blast.
Just wondering as to the current degeneration in intelligence...
So what's wrong with rangers now?
MSecorsky
striderkaaru
those are the same noobs who think mesmers and necs are useless too. they only want 3 things in their group: tanks, healers, and nukers.
the way i see it, you're better off not having joined them as that may have been a more frustrating experience.
the way i see it, you're better off not having joined them as that may have been a more frustrating experience.
Makkert
not current. been like this forever.
players are hesitant what to make of the jack of all trades.
does he interrupt? a mesmer can do it better. -assumption
fact: a rangers interrupt just about anything. a mesmers interrupt mostly spells.
does he shoot arrows for damage? a warrior or ele is usually picked for damage
fact: the damage of a ranger can be quite good with the right build
what? what you say? conditons? come on, we want to pwn! bring another ele!
something along these lines must take place.
players are hesitant what to make of the jack of all trades.
does he interrupt? a mesmer can do it better. -assumption
fact: a rangers interrupt just about anything. a mesmers interrupt mostly spells.
does he shoot arrows for damage? a warrior or ele is usually picked for damage
fact: the damage of a ranger can be quite good with the right build
what? what you say? conditons? come on, we want to pwn! bring another ele!
something along these lines must take place.
MSecorsky
I dunno... I kind of enjoy spamming conditions. When the enemy monk's health bar is blinking between red and green like a christmas tree as the Poison Arrow vs Mend Ailment battle goes on... it's kind of pretty.
It would also be nice if the tanks would notice that all those guys swinging at them are missing thanks to a little thrown dirt...
It would also be nice if the tanks would notice that all those guys swinging at them are missing thanks to a little thrown dirt...
Death by Ooga Booga
Ya some ppl out there are so freakin ridiculous. I was in War Camp the other day and this R was leading, he had to have the "Perfect" group. He was so damn picky that he took a half hour to get a group together. Once he had 7 we all left because he had to have a Protection Monk. Nothing else would do. I dont think it has anything to do with you being a R it's just the leaders think that if you don't have the "Perfect" little group then there is no point in leaving. I don't understand, lets change it up a little ppl!
chaos dragoon
ive played ranger,but i guess im just lucky.ive never had any problem finding a group. sorry for you guys that you have trouble with groups.a good nec,mes or ranger can be very good,just most people dont realize it.
Albino Chocobo
Well, as a Mesmer, I run more often than not with the reject groups. Nice to know we'll soon have rangers joining us 
At least we'll get half decent tanks ..
JYX
...if you really wanna join this PUG...lie...profusely...and if you feel guilty, just remember its their fault for being jackasses and not accepting in the first place. Good lies to tell your PUG:
1) I'm a sword ranger...like aragorn...yeah him...
2) I have Healing Spring
3) I'm a smiting ranger -.-;
4) I'm the 50 cent of the ranger world...
5) I don't use any ranger skills
6) I'm the strongest man in the world
1) I'm a sword ranger...like aragorn...yeah him...
2) I have Healing Spring
3) I'm a smiting ranger -.-;
4) I'm the 50 cent of the ranger world...
5) I don't use any ranger skills
6) I'm the strongest man in the world
Banebow
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At least we'll get half decent tanks ..
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The few ranger skills which require close-combat to work (traps, throw dirt)...well, throw dirt should be used if enemys break by your front lines, and traps...well, I never liked traps, and have pretty much avoided using them, but I think they work well when used to catch enemies, cripple those (insert large, bloodthirsty monster name here) that are charging for your monks. While pet attacks are melee range, your pet uses them, not you.
I recall the times I sold myself out as a healer back when most players where still new to the game (and yes, I did heal...just not like a monk) because no groups I could find wanted a ranger.
wsmcasey
Or if you're a R/MO, tell them your a pure healer. That will really piss them off.
HEAL ME DAMNIT!!!!!!!!??!?!?! FU, im laying traps b*tch.
HEAL ME DAMNIT!!!!!!!!??!?!?! FU, im laying traps b*tch.
Damon Windwalker
Since spirit spamming has been nerfed, Rangers are worthless...
/Throws gas on the fire and runs!
/Throws gas on the fire and runs!
wsmcasey
wow, nice job saying that Rangers are worthless....... LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!!!!
Makkert
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Originally Posted by Damon Windwalker
Since spirit spamming has been nerfed, Rangers are worthless...
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running from a ranger. that is why they put the 'range' in 'ranger' :P
Ooma
People don't actually realize what rangers do, most of those groups wanting only tanks/healers have probably never played one.
On the RARE occasion I get into a group (that doesn't require traps UW FoW, or want winter Hell's Precipice), if it's a particularly bad group...e.g. players who never target healers/spellcasters, I like to not do anything for one or two battles, to show them that things can be a lot harder without rangers. It sometimes works, other times just gets me kicked
A good group will appreciate what you're doing, you'll know if they're damn useless as soon as they run over your traps when you pull ;-), at which point you might as well go have a ciggy-break and come back and cast rebirth/res on them all...
But generally you can't change the attitudes of people, which is why I vote for more intelligent henchies, although they seem to have taken a decrease in AI along on a par with the Anet developers with this update...but don't get me started...
On the RARE occasion I get into a group (that doesn't require traps UW FoW, or want winter Hell's Precipice), if it's a particularly bad group...e.g. players who never target healers/spellcasters, I like to not do anything for one or two battles, to show them that things can be a lot harder without rangers. It sometimes works, other times just gets me kicked
A good group will appreciate what you're doing, you'll know if they're damn useless as soon as they run over your traps when you pull ;-), at which point you might as well go have a ciggy-break and come back and cast rebirth/res on them all...
But generally you can't change the attitudes of people, which is why I vote for more intelligent henchies, although they seem to have taken a decrease in AI along on a par with the Anet developers with this update...but don't get me started...
wsmcasey
When I can't find a group I usually just use the henches, or find other rangers and make an all ranger group. UW trap groups are awesome IMO. How many all warrior groups or all elemental groups have you ever seen farming underworld, fissure, grenths, or sorrows furnace? Rangers are made for survival, and most people that play Rangers as their primary character (even after being thru the game several times) are usually very skilled gamers.
octaviancmb
I'm constantly impressed by the many well played rangers I've grouped with. Rangers get some of the most consistently high DPS of just about any class, and they can specialize into more builds than anything else I know. (They're, sadly, even better at their versaility than my favorite profession: the Mesmer.) Their primary attribute makes them engines of destruction almost unrivaled in the GW world, and there are so many near-broken things you can accomplish with a Ranger, it boggles the mind, even after spirits were tweeked.
I'm hardly ever sad to see a Ranger in any of the (rare) groups I'm invited into PvE or PvP. And a *good* ranger is golden. And when I'm Monking in PvP, the most hated thing I can ever see on the other side is a Ranger (well, I lied, the most hated thing I can ever see is a Mes/Nec...but Rangers are a close second).
So I'm just as boggled as the OP is about why Rangers are maligned. But it's a sad truth: nobody really wants them.
Perhaps the brave souls undaunted enough by fear of flames who hate Rangers and all they stand for can chime in and explain why they don't invite them along.
cmb
I'm hardly ever sad to see a Ranger in any of the (rare) groups I'm invited into PvE or PvP. And a *good* ranger is golden. And when I'm Monking in PvP, the most hated thing I can ever see on the other side is a Ranger (well, I lied, the most hated thing I can ever see is a Mes/Nec...but Rangers are a close second).
So I'm just as boggled as the OP is about why Rangers are maligned. But it's a sad truth: nobody really wants them.
Perhaps the brave souls undaunted enough by fear of flames who hate Rangers and all they stand for can chime in and explain why they don't invite them along.
cmb
MSecorsky
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Well, as a Mesmer, I run more often than not with the reject groups. Nice to know we'll soon have rangers joining us
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schutz
Dont get me wrong, mesmers/rangers/necro are good and i have a level 20 mesmer but ive done every mission in game on 4 characters, 3 of my characters are a warrior, monk and a ele and when using them 95% of the time i only ever did the missions with w/m/e and it was much faster and simple and i got through the game alot quicker and thats all you ever need to do missions. From my experience and alot of other peoples they get a mesmer in there group and thinks that they dont do enough damage, which is true alot of the time, and in pvp with rangers i always see people saying how crap they are which is 100% untrue, there great for pve and pvp and i will alot of the time have 1 in my group as they always seem to live longest
Danny Lohner
Ive gone through a few ascentions and beaten the game a few times. Played every profession except for necro. IMO rangers are the most versatile and plain FUN char to play in the game. Im a leader of a tight guild of friends in college, and we are having a blast kickin ass in pvp and gvg with a team of all rangers. I farm in Grenths and SF for fun with my R/W now (guild buddy and I bring 2 nukers and 1 other heal monk). I can tank 3 groups of those carvers/rangers/heretics/... while the other four nuke the crap out of them. Hopefully tho, these noobs will never realize how useful a ranger can be....
Fantus
The good news is: The people who think Rangers suck would probably be very bad party mates anyway, so it's their loss, not yours.
However it's still true that certain classes get a LOT more easily into PUGs than others.
That's the 4 classes I play:
- Monk: Gets instant random invites pretty much whenever she enters an area
- Fire Elementarist: Gets often random invites and gets almost always accepted when she's posting LFG into chat
- Ranger: Won't get into many PUGs unless a trapper team in UW. Never got a random invite outside of ToA
- Mesmer: The poor girl could yell "LFG" for all eternity without getting an invite. She never has been into a PUG at all. Her best friends are called Alesia, Lina and Little Thom.
Rangers (and Mesmers and Necros) rock! When I do PvP I will take my ranger about 70% of the time because she's most fun to play there and she kicks ASS. Whoever thinks rangers (or any other class) suck, is obviously braindead.
However it's still true that certain classes get a LOT more easily into PUGs than others.
That's the 4 classes I play:
- Monk: Gets instant random invites pretty much whenever she enters an area
- Fire Elementarist: Gets often random invites and gets almost always accepted when she's posting LFG into chat
- Ranger: Won't get into many PUGs unless a trapper team in UW. Never got a random invite outside of ToA
- Mesmer: The poor girl could yell "LFG" for all eternity without getting an invite. She never has been into a PUG at all. Her best friends are called Alesia, Lina and Little Thom.
Rangers (and Mesmers and Necros) rock! When I do PvP I will take my ranger about 70% of the time because she's most fun to play there and she kicks ASS. Whoever thinks rangers (or any other class) suck, is obviously braindead.
Glasswalker
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A ranger (the good ones) do not go in and tank, they hang back and fight like the casters.
-------------------------------- *laughs while he runs away, while every ranger shoots him in the back.* running from a ranger. that is why the put the 'range' in 'ranger' :P -------------------------------- Anyone that would kick a mesmer these days really doesn't have a grip. -------------------------------- The good news is: The people who think Rangers suck would probably be very bad party mates anyway, so it's their loss, not yours. |
2. ROTFLMAO.
3. Agree wholeheartedly. I can't believe the same group that would not want a Ranger (probably Warrior heavy) wouldn't want a Mesmer. They are a Warrior's best friend. Having seen what enemy Mesmers do to me -- I want you doing that to the enemy!
4. I couldn't have said it better. To completely contradict Groucho Marx: I would never join a group that wouldn't have me as a member {mesmer?}.
Albino Chocobo
RANGER ARE OVERPOWERED !!!!! MONKS ARE LAME !!!
caught your attention yet ? Just out of the game, and I feel like bragging
Went to Riverside mission in a pug (as a Wa/Mo). For some reason, monk quits, then everyone quits, except the R/W. We decide to give it a try, and we made it !!! Healing Spring is great ! DPS is good ! (well, I'm still partial to the old axe, but it's just me). Armor absolutely sucks against melee opponents ! (gotta face it, my throat is raw from shouting "Watch Yourself" and whatever word the Word of Healing is).
Best thing is, Rangers are not quitters
Most kiddies will go Elementalist anyway (and yes, W/Mo too).
For those who wonder, we did not fight that huge melee at the end. I Sprinted right through opposition, to the boss guarding the entrance, left under the bridge, and into a bug that triggered the final cutscene
caught your attention yet ? Just out of the game, and I feel like bragging
Went to Riverside mission in a pug (as a Wa/Mo). For some reason, monk quits, then everyone quits, except the R/W. We decide to give it a try, and we made it !!! Healing Spring is great ! DPS is good ! (well, I'm still partial to the old axe, but it's just me). Armor absolutely sucks against melee opponents ! (gotta face it, my throat is raw from shouting "Watch Yourself" and whatever word the Word of Healing is).
Best thing is, Rangers are not quitters
Most kiddies will go Elementalist anyway (and yes, W/Mo too).For those who wonder, we did not fight that huge melee at the end. I Sprinted right through opposition, to the boss guarding the entrance, left under the bridge, and into a bug that triggered the final cutscene
Cat Tabby
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A ranger (the good ones) do not go in and tank, they hang back and fight like the casters. If you are going to tank, be a warrior
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Although we shouldn't want to draw to much attention to how good rangers are; they might start targeting us.
Ristaron
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Originally Posted by Damon Windwalker
Since spirit spamming has been nerfed, Rangers are worthless...
/Throws gas on the fire and runs! |
*Pin Down*
*Hunter's Shot*
*Debilitating Shot*
*Pin Down again*
*Kindle Arrows*
*Dual Shot*
*Storm chaser to catch up*
*Repeat Process*
Bingley Joe
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Originally Posted by MSecorsky
It would also be nice if the tanks would notice that all those guys swinging at them are missing thanks to a little thrown dirt...
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OMG! Throw Dirt ROCKS!!
Just today I was playing through SF with a buddy and all of a sudden he starts yelling "WTF dude?? There's a million guys wailing on the healers!!! AAAAHHHH! WHY AREN'T YOU HELPING THEM?? AAAHH!!!!" (or words to that effect)
And I was like "Those guys? LMAO They're just keeping the healers cool like in ancient Egypt."
EDIT: Wanted to add that I got an amusing invite at Abaddon's Mouth while playing my R/Me the other day: "Putting a party together for mission and need a healer, wanna join?"
I told them I was glad to see Rangers were finally being taken seriously, but already had a group. Hehehee!
So there's hope for us yet!!!
Tactical-Dillusions
I'm so good with my distracting shot, i can take out an orison or a reversal of fortune. People don't notice little things like that, they must think that uber-l33t pwning warrior did it
However, i'm wiser about my ranger now that i've been through the game with him. I know not to waste any more time spamming Ranger LFG.
Let them struggle on their own....
However, i'm wiser about my ranger now that i've been through the game with him. I know not to waste any more time spamming Ranger LFG.
Let them struggle on their own....
Xue Yi Liang
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Is there a reason that rangers are being blown off now in Grenth's?
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So .... nobody is good enough to play in your little UW Ranger knitting-circle?
This is just payback, buddy...
Symbol
The fact that there are so many "people think xxx class is worthless" threads indicates that the guild wars players are largely retards (fortunately moderated forums such as these tend to filter most of those out).
As far as class balance goes few RPGs do it as well Guild Wars-the fact that so many people still complain is both shocking and depressing.
Just compare to the mess that was/is Diablo 2 (and I still love that game to death) which shares many similarities.
As far as class balance goes few RPGs do it as well Guild Wars-the fact that so many people still complain is both shocking and depressing.
Just compare to the mess that was/is Diablo 2 (and I still love that game to death) which shares many similarities.
psykadelic224
damn right i have a ranger and i love it that much i actualy had 3 of them as i have 3 accounts >.> but now im way addicted to being a necromancer with curses (sorry if im changing the subject a little) but what i dont get is the fact that everyone says "omg curses suck i cant beleave anet even botherd to put them in this game death magic and blood magic just rocks! so use those or your not joining" well excuse me but it was my party when it comes to owning that killed the enemy monks in a few hits if they actualy think about it curses is what makes a good necro yeah sure death is good can animate but having a curse necro remove about 30 of their max al (weaken armor + barbs with 16 curses) is great im that addicted to it now that i play curses in gvg and pvp and even pve there is a curse for every occasion.
MSecorsky
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Remember all those Ranger-only trapping groups at the ToA?
So .... nobody is good enough to play in your little UW Ranger knitting-circle? This is just payback, buddy... |
Seriously, how many W/Mo's have the patience to wait 75 secs while traps are laid, then wait for the pulled critters to enter the traps and pretty much die before the warrior gets a swing?Heh heh... happened again last night... guy forming group, say I'll join, send invite at his request. He sees ranger, uninvites me. Sigh...
Formed my own group, farmed the bosses in Sorrows, got this nice Mesmer green thingie.
Lesson number two learned last night... a good protection monk can make a tanking ranger nearly invincible. (Our one tank left, rest of group was squishies.)
Did anyone else notice the bad guy fragility builds in Grenths and Sorrows? Ouch if you aren't ready for it.
wsmcasey
I am so frustrated with this game right now. I'm trying to finish the Thunder Head Keep mission with my ranger. I attempted to complete the mission last night with 4 random pugs that would accept my invitation. The groups seemed good in the beginning but always fell apart at the end of the mission. Whats really really pissing me off is that 90% of the idiots in this game play warriors and have no concept of strategy. Here's a senario that happened to me last night on several occasions:
1. we start the mission and everything is going good.
2. in the beginning of the Thunder Head mission you have to cross a bridge, and there are monsters on the other side.
3. we stop and discuss a game plan.
4. I lay traps on the bridge and advise the group to stay behind the line I draw on the mini map.
5. I take out my long bow and pull the first mob, and start pulling them to the traps.
6. Then (not to my surprise because this happens every f*cking day) the 3 warrior in our group run past my traps and start hitting the monsters, Thus my efforts are wasted.
7. I politely asked the warriors to pull the mob back into the traps and drew another line on the mini map................cricket.......cricket, cricket.............
8. We were still able to kill the mob, and afterwards I advised them about the strategy of pulling mobs into traps to them again.
9. Once we got to Thunder Head Keep there were several opportunities to lay traps at choke points to clear out the Keep before the cut scene, but the warriors pulled the same crap again.
10. There was another ranger with me and we were working together, I saw him laying traps trying to help, and I told him to just forget it because we are wasting our time.
Most people don't even realize that rangers can inflict over 500 damage while inflicting a foe with up to 4 conditions, some of those conditions lasting over 20 seconds. Thats with just laying traps, im not even talking about the addition damage from a well preped bow.
1. we start the mission and everything is going good.
2. in the beginning of the Thunder Head mission you have to cross a bridge, and there are monsters on the other side.
3. we stop and discuss a game plan.
4. I lay traps on the bridge and advise the group to stay behind the line I draw on the mini map.
5. I take out my long bow and pull the first mob, and start pulling them to the traps.
6. Then (not to my surprise because this happens every f*cking day) the 3 warrior in our group run past my traps and start hitting the monsters, Thus my efforts are wasted.
7. I politely asked the warriors to pull the mob back into the traps and drew another line on the mini map................cricket.......cricket, cricket.............
8. We were still able to kill the mob, and afterwards I advised them about the strategy of pulling mobs into traps to them again.
9. Once we got to Thunder Head Keep there were several opportunities to lay traps at choke points to clear out the Keep before the cut scene, but the warriors pulled the same crap again.
10. There was another ranger with me and we were working together, I saw him laying traps trying to help, and I told him to just forget it because we are wasting our time.
Most people don't even realize that rangers can inflict over 500 damage while inflicting a foe with up to 4 conditions, some of those conditions lasting over 20 seconds. Thats with just laying traps, im not even talking about the addition damage from a well preped bow.
cloude1080
Rangers are great in PVP and decent in PVE. If just for PVE I would gladly accept any ranger into my group. However, when I go farming SF, I wouldnt want to take rangers for simple reasons : they cant tank as good as a warrior, they cant kill as fast as ele, and they cant heal the whole group like monks. When farming SF with smiters & monks, I can clear the area way faster than with rangers, so why bother with them.
Sorry for my ignorance.
Sorry for my ignorance.
capitalist
I always have a Ranger, Mesmer, and Necro in my 8 man PvE teams.
John Waffletord
I think its funny when you suggest pulling a target and a Warrior says "ill pull"
Then he runs up there, gets hit a few times, comes back with half heath.. and i say "I could've done that without getting hit once."
I also make it my number 1 priority when fighting a group of giants to interupt every Giant Stomp i can. People don't notice that at all.
Then when theres an enemy healer, i use concussion shot, then tiger's fury to stop them from getting rid of dazed. He's too busy getting interupted by every attack to do any healing.. People just think the healer sucked or something.
Then he runs up there, gets hit a few times, comes back with half heath.. and i say "I could've done that without getting hit once."
I also make it my number 1 priority when fighting a group of giants to interupt every Giant Stomp i can. People don't notice that at all.
Then when theres an enemy healer, i use concussion shot, then tiger's fury to stop them from getting rid of dazed. He's too busy getting interupted by every attack to do any healing.. People just think the healer sucked or something.
Xue Yi Liang
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That's only because there are so few non-rangers that understand the basic trapping concepts... namely Trap first then pull.
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wbaldwin67
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Remember all those Ranger-only trapping groups at the ToA?
So .... nobody is good enough to play in your little UW Ranger knitting-circle? This is just payback, buddy... |
In addition, I take him out farming with Lina, Menhlo, Cena, Devona, and the other tank and I smoke that area using the same items as above. Those monsters cluster faster than flys on sh@%t. Thats all I need. Once they do that, Barrage ends them FAST.
Granted taking those henchys arent good for the drops as they get some but thats what I do when my guildys arent hanging with me.
Ive scored the stinger, wand, and a staff using my Ranger.
Katari
While I no longer have a ranger, I know what they can do, and while yes, they are underrated, Ive seen so many bad rangers. I really don't see what could be better than distracting shot. Maybe concussion shot or chocking gas, but one skill slot for the best interupt in the game, and so many PvE rangers leave it at home. I know my ranger, and my E/R had the thing premently glued on thier skillbar.
On the upside, I can depend on the ranger to not get his --- kicked, unlike generic fire nukers ("Defense? Self healing? No, what are those?"
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Now, with the traps, Ive seen that happen pretty often, but my other problem with them is, not only do people stand in front of them most of the time, but people stand *dirrectly* behind them. Not only the warriors, the wntire party. So when the mob rushes at us, yes, the traps hit them, but sometimes only the first few, certainly not any caster monsters. And scince everyone is bunched up, the warriors don't get agro, nor do the rangers, the mob just happily beats on the stupid fire eles, who decide its thier turn to tank.
Idiots.
On the upside, I can depend on the ranger to not get his --- kicked, unlike generic fire nukers ("Defense? Self healing? No, what are those?"
)Now, with the traps, Ive seen that happen pretty often, but my other problem with them is, not only do people stand in front of them most of the time, but people stand *dirrectly* behind them. Not only the warriors, the wntire party. So when the mob rushes at us, yes, the traps hit them, but sometimes only the first few, certainly not any caster monsters. And scince everyone is bunched up, the warriors don't get agro, nor do the rangers, the mob just happily beats on the stupid fire eles, who decide its thier turn to tank.
Idiots.
GuildWarsPlayer
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I think its funny when you suggest pulling a target and a Warrior says "ill pull"
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I usually group with rangers but only the ones i know (from the FoW or guildies) and played with. Because you can find bad players as Rangers too...
MSecorsky
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Warriors can pull mobs whith a bow too... I do it sometimes when it's needed.
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GuildWarsPlayer
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Originally Posted by MSecorsky
It's the ones that do it with an axe that get the headshake and the chuckle.
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We should really spread the word, a warrior can take a bow in its hand, and it's better for him to attract the attention rather than the R anyway.