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Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

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15 Sep 2005 at 22:17 - 1

EDIT: editted out the names

This is the exact report which I've sent to the GW user support concerning a potential scam.

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My apologies for burdening you with this, but I seem to have fallen prey to a very disconcerting scam.

On Wednesday the 14th of September, I am involved in a trade with a player who goes by the name of *******.

The trade goes as follows: I'm trading a certain item of mine (golden Shadow Bow) and a sum of money (11k) for a certain item of his (golden Chaos Axe). The trade goes well, we're all friendly, nothing out of the ordinay happens.

The next day, he shows up again, telling me he accidentally sold the item I traded him (the golden Shadow Bow), and now he wants his item (the golden Chaos Axe) back AND more money from me (4k). I do not wish to comply with this. First off, it's his mistake, not mine. Our deal was closed the day before. Second, I actually mean to use the item I bought off him, so I tell him it's already customized. It is, however, not yet customized. So he asks me to see it. I tell him to hold on, as I go off to customize it. I then show him the customized item.

He is, of course, enraged at this, since this takes away his last chance to actually get his item back. I know that this might seem like a cruel thing to do from my part, but I really intend to use this item (obviously, since I customized it). It's not an act of random malignance.

He goes on by saying he will tell all his friends to no longer trade with me. In my book, this is called blackmailing. I admittedly lose my temper at this, so I tell him what I think of him: as in "him being the biggest *sshole ever", forgive my French.

He goes on by saying he'll report me for swearing at him, something which I plead entirely guilty for, since I really did swear at him (and in hindsight, I'm still glad about it). He also tells me he supposedly has friends at ArenaNet who will get me banned. I take this rather lightly, of course.

Now, in return, I tell him I'm reporting him for trying to blackmail and scam me.

And then something happens: I get disconnected right away. Something which very seldom happens. Now, I could reconnect a few moments later, but it really had me scared there for a while.

So do allow me to press charges against this person for trying to blackmail me. I'm not asking he would get banned or anything (after all, I used hard language against him, and also retorted with the lame "consider that a ban, too" which is against the EULA as well, so I'm hardly free of guilt), but players need to be protected against this sort of threats, one way or another.

I tried to use common sense, even though I did lose my temper. At least reassure me that I'm not getting reprimanded for doing so.

Cordially,

****** "Lagg Olagg" ******

P.S. Please find the conversation in question attached to this message.

Yes, I know I shouldn't have lost my temper and sworn at him or threatened with the lame "you're banned" arguments too. Still, he sold me the item and it's righteously mine now, he has no right to claim it back.

And yes, I fully admit, I was being arrogant about it. No doubt about it, I could have handled this more maturely.

But I was in no way being cruel to him. I am now using this item. I didn't just customize it so he couldn't get it back. I can't help it if he made a mistake by accidentally selling the item I traded him to a merchant.

As you can see, I really feel bad about this whole ordeal. Heck, I even feel bad for him.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

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15 Sep 2005 at 22:22 - 2

lol you can't ask for the item back. he would have still had it in inventory, thats my bet. you cant suddenly change your mind about a trade. thats stupid

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

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15 Sep 2005 at 22:27 - 3

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Originally Posted by talon

lol you can't ask for the item back. he would have still had it in inventory, thats my bet. you cant suddenly change your mind about a trade. thats stupid

That's true as well. He can't possibly prove that he no longer owns the item which I sold him, nor that he hasn't already sold it to someone else.

I'm still willing to believe he didn't lie to me about that and that he really did accidentally sell it to a merchant, but that doesn't mean I should take the blame for it.

I apologise for getting so upset about this, but it just really got to me badly this time.

Starsky-sama

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Land of the Z Chest \o/

[NOT]-Nomads of Turmoil.

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15 Sep 2005 at 22:29 - 4

well if he was "telling" the truth. He could have gone about it, in a much better way.

What was he expecting, full compliance just cuz he said he made a mistake, and then acting all high and mighty about it...

By using his common sense and thinking it through b4 confronting you, It was really your choice to give him 4k extra for the axe, since everything was said and done with the transaction before.

some ppl just like to act this way in games I guess.

/meh.

*added: edit out the names, cant name names in the forum.

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

15 Sep 2005 at 22:30 - 5

Put it simply.. once someone completed the trade.. the items is your! The original trader should not have the right to get the items back ( what the point to trade if you want to keep the items). Report him for being a idiot in trying to scam you and i'll remember to put another person on my ignore list

eightyfour-onesevenfive

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

7??13'35" E - 50??06'27" N

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

15 Sep 2005 at 22:35 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lagg

Yes, I know I shouldn't have lost my temper and sworn at him or threatened with the lame "you're banned" arguments too. Still, he sold me the item and it's righteously mine now, he has no right to claim it back.

Those two sentences are all that has to be said about this, imho. I don't know whether that person was extremely stupid or extremely insolent (or maybe both), but I'd consider everything he said an empty threat.

Hmm, maybe I should try going to the bakery and claim my money back for the bread that I bought there yesterday and which I just ate...

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

15 Sep 2005 at 22:36 - 7

Even if the guy report you to A-net, there not gonna do anything! The guy has no proof, and even if he did he will look like an even bigger idiot than he already does. The trade was made............nuf said.

jenna mysti

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

15 Sep 2005 at 22:37 - 8

lol....that is so funny....there is no way a-net would ban you for that....he was just trying to ....i dont kno ...maybe make you feel bad...i woudl have told himt he same thing...maybe a little worse....i would have showed him the axe uncostomized and said...hm tough man

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

15 Sep 2005 at 22:39 - 9

I hope you really were planning to use the axe, because you would only be hurting yourself by customizing it........lol

Daegul Mistweaver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM]

W/N

15 Sep 2005 at 22:42 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by jenna mysti

there is no way a-net would ban you for that....he was just trying to ....i dont kno ...

The word you're searching for is blackmail.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

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15 Sep 2005 at 22:42 - 11

On an off note, what sort of axe was it? The mods that is.

Ilya Khan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Los Angeles, CA

-FdM-

Me/Mo

15 Sep 2005 at 22:42 - 12

If only I had this guy's address...
I would go there while hes sleeping, take one of his pillows, and begin a pillow fight with him!

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

15 Sep 2005 at 22:43 - 13

I want a gold chaos axe!!

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

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15 Sep 2005 at 22:54 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by talon

On an off note, what sort of axe was it? The mods that is.

He traded his Furious Chaos Axe of Enchanting

6-28
+14% while enchanted
Furious (10/10)
Enchantments last 17% longer

for my Fiery Shadow Bow (of Shelter, iirc)

Fire 15-28
+14% always
-5 energy
+5 Armor (iirc)

and I paid him 11k on top of that.

To be honest, I'm not really into the whole trading scene. I just happened to want that axe. He seemed rather experienced to me. I have no idea if I made a fair deal or not, really. I'm really happy with the axe, even though he's just taken about half of my fun away already.

If his sole purpose was to make me feel bad, he'll be glad to know he succeeded. Yes, I get upset rather quickly about these things.

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

15 Sep 2005 at 23:17 - 15

I would take the bow over the axe any day. You can get enchanted axes from collector's but not 15% always bows.

And once a trade is done, it is over. They can't ask for their stuff back.

galkraft

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Followers Of Master Jack

R/Me

16 Sep 2005 at 00:02 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ilya Khan

If only I had this guy's address...
I would go there while hes sleeping, take one of his pillows, and begin a pillow fight with him!

Yeah, or compensate him with a real axe ;-)

But seriously, if someone has any sort of power or ability to mess with your account, that's worth raising a flag to ANet. Sounds like a fluke by what you said, but don't feel guilty about bugging ANet.

wow, didn't know ---hole could be said unfiltered. Ha! But report for cussing? wtf!? ---- ----- ---. How many times do you see ---- like that in PvP? ANet will tell him to raise the filter bar.

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

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16 Sep 2005 at 00:12 - 17

Actually, I turned my cussing filter off. So if he had his filter on, he wouldn't even see that I had cussed at him.

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But seriously, if someone has any sort of power or ability to mess with your account, that's worth raising a flag to ANet. Sounds like a fluke by what you said, but don't feel guilty about bugging ANet.

Anyways, you're all probably right and I'm getting upset about nothing. It was just the very eerie coincidence of me getting disconnected right after that conversation, thinking he somehow did that.

If he's reading this, he's probably having a good laugh.

FootballKA

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Fellowship Of Zion

N/E

16 Sep 2005 at 00:13 - 18

well, i think the guy who was asking for his axe back is an idiot because he actually thought that he was going to get his axe back and 4k after you trade him ur bow and 11k. Not only would this trade back be a loss for you but it would defy all logic...im sry but that guy is just a retard.

Wolvenbear

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

GMT -5

GBP

16 Sep 2005 at 00:26 - 19

You probably have nothing to worry about. When you completed the trade, the axe was yours and the bow & 11k was his. If he sold/dropped/destroyed the bow accidentally, than that is his fault not yours. He had no right to request his axe back, let alone threaten you if you didn't return it. That tells me he is either (1) a scammer or (2) an idiot. If (1) he probably just sold the bow for a nice sum of money. +15% always on a bow is pretty nice. If (2) he was just blowing off steam because you are obviously not as idiotic as him, which made him feel bad about his mistake.

From what I've seen A.Net does a good job helping its customers. Complaints of this nature generally receive a slap-on-the-wrist punishment or, more likely, nothing at all.

Mavrik

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

Alaska

16 Sep 2005 at 00:43 - 20

If a couple swear words got you banned then there would be a lot more people banned thats for sure!

and the guy is a idiot... there is no way I'd have even shown him the axe customized or not. Would have simply said "Sorry, I'm using it." and ignored him... or offered to give it back to him at 22k

lord_shar

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

near SF, CA

16 Sep 2005 at 01:30 - 21

I would not have customized the axe since it loses all trade value to other traders.

I would have told the original axe seller "This axe cost me 1 uber shadow bow + 11k + plenty of time. Unless you're willing to double that price, the axe has a happy new home and won't be moving until you pay the requested amount." If he threatens to have you banned, then instruct him on how to create a screen shot, then give him ANET's e-mail address. Be as helpful as possible

He'll soon realize he's just lining himself up in front of his own firing squad.

Never let the other guy get under your skin... always play it cool, and you'll be happy with whatever choice you make.

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

16 Sep 2005 at 01:38 - 22

"please dont take it personally, but your the biggest ... ever" roflmao!

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

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16 Sep 2005 at 02:14 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord_shar

I would not have customized the axe since it loses all trade value to other traders.

Exactly. One more reason, I'm not trying to get a profit out of it, I'm actually using the bloody thing. I can say "bloody", right?

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Be as helpful as possible

He'll soon realize he's just lining himself up in front of his own firing squad.

Never let the other guy get under your skin... always play it cool, and you'll be happy with whatever choice you make.

Well I tried to play it cool till I actually got disconnected and couldn't reconnect. My mind really started racing at that point.

Now I think we can all agree it was just an eerie coincidence, and not him actually calling upon his so-called "friends at Anet" (I mean, seriously).

Kassad

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/

16 Sep 2005 at 02:24 - 24

Lol he was asking for his axe back after you traded him a 14% always bow, lmao. I doubt he sold it to merchant anyway, he prolly just wants it back to do the same thing to other people.

lord_shar

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

near SF, CA

16 Sep 2005 at 02:26 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lagg

Exactly. One more reason, I'm not trying to get a profit out of it, I'm actually using the bloody thing. I can say "bloody", right?

Well I tried to play it cool till I actually got disconnected and couldn't reconnect. My mind really started racing at that point.

Now I think we can all agree it was just an eerie coincidence, and not him actually calling upon his so-called "friends at Anet" (I mean, seriously).

Every time I lose connectivity, I simply reboot my cable modem and router. Hasn't failed to fix the problem yet =)

ANET's GW servers are built on what appears to be a Windows clustered server environment, so you should never get a connection interruption unless

1) It's a planned outage or maintenance period
2) new unstable patch was just introduced
3) your ISP is having issues

Can you tell I work in I.T.?

cynhounds

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Sweet Hillsides

Dragons Family (DF)

R/Mo

16 Sep 2005 at 02:29 - 26

Maybe he should have gotten his mommy to ask you for the axe.

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

16 Sep 2005 at 02:31 - 27

Hehe

Yeah, I guess it just caught me off guard. I just really don't get disconnected all that often. I'm talking maybe once a month (maybe I'm just lucky). And the thing that disturbed me especially, was that I didn't get an error message. It just disconnected me. And when I tried to reconnect, same thing.

Worked again a few minutes later. Enough to make me a few years older. :P

Lews

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Seattle, Washington

R/E

16 Sep 2005 at 02:35 - 28

Even if he did accidently sell it "WHO CARES" THATS HIS FAULT!

And why can you be banned for swearing.... lol.

Peace, Lews

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

16 Sep 2005 at 02:47 - 29

Thanks a lot for your support, guys. I was starting to doubt my own sanity.

Well, I'm gonna be gone for a week now. (not banned

)

Take care!

wcvet

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

16 Sep 2005 at 04:38 - 30

omg, you are talking about guildwars generated money here.

ayb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

WTS SOUL PST

Order of the Fly

Mo/R

16 Sep 2005 at 05:30 - 31

the term for this is "no backsies". he traded the axe for the bow and the money, what he did with both is none of your business and none of your concern. if he chose to salvage the bow and spend the money on dwarven ale, that's his business. and i wouldn't be too worried about being blackballed, people that act like this usually travel in large groups of one.

Zaxares

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Bastion of Imagination

Asia Heaven

Mo/W

16 Sep 2005 at 06:29 - 32

I wouldn't have given him his axe back either. Firstly, there's no way to tell if he DID actually sell the bow to the merchant. I smell a scammer trying to get money out of you by playing on your sympathy.

Secondly, even if he DID sell the bow, there's no reason why you have to give it back to him. The transaction was completed, and there's no refund policy. If you were feeling generous, you could have given him the 4k and tell him to be satisfied with that. That's more than he'll ever get from 99% of the GW population.

Count Feanor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Hellsing Organization or... RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!

The Royal Priesthood

N/W

16 Sep 2005 at 12:45 - 33

He reminds me of those people who yell and swear at you for not giving them a gold item that dropped for YOU on a mission. I just laugh at people like that.

Him: "Give me my axe back!"
ME: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!"

Mr. Matt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

R/Mo

16 Sep 2005 at 13:04 - 34

Errors on both parties. He shouldn't have been... well, a child. But the OP could have responded better, as he admitted. But I don't think the acts of either side warrant reporting.

schutz

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

wales

W/Me

16 Sep 2005 at 13:06 - 35

Nobody deserves a report but that guy would have got alot more abuse from me, then i would show him the axe uncustmized then customize it, id have the right to that guys a idiot for trying to think he can get it back or better yet, say you sold it for 500 gold

Joe L.

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

USA

R/

16 Sep 2005 at 21:43 - 36

Boy, this guy sounds like he has the brain of a turnip. Must not know what the word trade means, should have offered him a dictionary. And as far as you getting banned, maybe like a .00001 chance. I have gone off alot worse than this on some idiot, and my account still stands.

I cannot stand retards like this, threatening to try to get you banned for his stupidity. I would have went berserk, sent him crying to mommy. Should have just typed hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahhahahahaha............Hey check out this sweet axe I just got. That would have done it for him.

Chivalry

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

16 Sep 2005 at 22:20 - 37

wots this muppets name?? i just gotta whisper him in game and completly take the piss outta him for as long as i can b4 he puts me on ignore....... lol

but seriously.... what kind of muppet comes back the day after a trade has been completed and tried to get youy to pay them back / return the item u swapped becasue they "supposedly" sold there part of the deal by accident? are people truly this retarded? truly amazing beyond belief!!

p.s. i was serious about the name... even PM me it ... i just gotta tell this muppet what a complete and utter loser he is!

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

16 Sep 2005 at 22:25 - 38

Note to self! find this guy online and beat him down in PvP

Dahl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Ontario, Canada

Exalted Legionnaires [ExL]

16 Sep 2005 at 22:31 - 39

Personally... I think you should have asked for your 11k back along with more.. the chaos axe isnt worth much, the bow is.

Wizard Yingu

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

16 Sep 2005 at 22:49 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by FootballKA

well, i think the guy who was asking for his axe back is an idiot because he actually thought that he was going to get his axe back and 4k after you trade him ur bow and 11k. Not only would this trade back be a loss for you but it would defy all logic...im sry but that guy is just a retard.

lol...

This thread is by FAR the funniest I have ever read.

I am in Bio-Chem over at McGill, so most people I hang out with are really smart, which clouded my mind to how stupid people can actually be.

He traded an Axe for your Bow and 4000 gold pieces. Then HE makes the mistake of trading HIS Bow to the merchant. Now he wants your Axe back? Plus 11k? What??? How the... ??? What???

Is his mentally sane when he asked for that? I have seen some dumb people in Guildwars... BUT NONE comparable to him.

To the Idiot who wanted his Axe back:

You make a mistake BIG DEAL !!! You deleted your Character, BIG DEAL. I don't care WHAT you did... You are sololy responsable for it. Go take Intro to Law 101. Why are you so dumb? What are you smoking?

Even if in some alternate universe in which IT IS AGREEABLE that Idiots be protected from their actions, THE PERSON YOU TRADE WITH IS IN NO POSITION TO CLEAN UP YOUR MESS. If you lost a hand during your construction job, do you go to a bank and ask for money? NO. Same logics, he is not related to you in ANYWAY. The Deal is done. (Period)

Let's ASSUME in this alternate universe, in which deals are not sealed for 1 week. EVEN THEN, in order for you to ask for you Axe back, YOU NEED TO give him the Bow and his 4k back as well. You Can't Just Ask For Stuff "BACK" without giving something "BACK". Capisco? MY GOD !!!

Anyways, remember Anet do not back up people of little intelligence. His threats are empty.