Kinetic Armor?
Rufus_Telum
How do people feel about Kinetic Armor as opposed to say Armor of Earth? Is it easy to keep it up? Is it better for being up close in the fray? Give me our opinions.
Deathlord
Kinetic is a decent skill but usually Armor of Earth will out-weigh it due to the circumstances.
Kinetic armor can last alot longer than armor of earth IF kept up by casting skills such as stone daggers. Unfortunately, the cost of an unlimited duration is the fact it only blocks against physical damage and the defense is lower than that of Armor of Earth. (Also, the recharge time is a whole minute, meaning if it is removed or if you forget to cast a spell within 8 seconds, you'll have to wait a while to use it again).
Armor of earth lasts a set 30 seconds. The defense capabillities are quite high and are useful in quite a few builds (Warders and maybe monks). However, the drawback is the fact you'll lose some speed, which is not exactly wanted in circumstances such as a character fighting melee. It does possess a recharge time of only 15 seconds though, so you can recast it fairly quickly if it is to be removed.
Overall, I believe armor of earth is used more often than kinetic.
Kinetic armor can last alot longer than armor of earth IF kept up by casting skills such as stone daggers. Unfortunately, the cost of an unlimited duration is the fact it only blocks against physical damage and the defense is lower than that of Armor of Earth. (Also, the recharge time is a whole minute, meaning if it is removed or if you forget to cast a spell within 8 seconds, you'll have to wait a while to use it again).
Armor of earth lasts a set 30 seconds. The defense capabillities are quite high and are useful in quite a few builds (Warders and maybe monks). However, the drawback is the fact you'll lose some speed, which is not exactly wanted in circumstances such as a character fighting melee. It does possess a recharge time of only 15 seconds though, so you can recast it fairly quickly if it is to be removed.
Overall, I believe armor of earth is used more often than kinetic.
Therlun
kinetic armour has been changed at some point, and gives general armour bonus too now.
Sofia Sofia Sofia
Armor or Earth is better
Fireburt
does it's "renew" mechanic trigger stuff like vigerous spirit or zealots fire?
Arcador
For rapid fire elementalist is better - the stone daggers example.
Rajamic
I couldn't find a build that reliably cast every 8 seconds without devoting an additional skill slot to some sort of spammable that wasn't all that effective in its own right. At that point, Kinetic is basically taking up 2 skill slots.
JYX
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Originally Posted by Fireburt
does it's "renew" mechanic trigger stuff like vigerous spirit or zealots fire?
I am VERY interrested in knowing this now. I may just test it...or if anyone else wants to volunteer...
Deathlord
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Originally Posted by Everous
I am VERY interrested in knowing this now. I may just test it...or if anyone else wants to volunteer...
Gimme a second so that I can build up my confidence to withstand the criticisms of "YOU Suk!11!!" from fellow w/mos.
Edit: Nevermind... I never bothered to unlock kinetic armor ._.
Edit: Nevermind... I never bothered to unlock kinetic armor ._.
Vermilion Okeanos
To me, this is the spell to use if you are looking for even more armor after armor of earth.
casting within 8 sec arent that hard (even without stone dagger and the sort)... especially every caster build should have at least some bit of energy management...
I usually save the space for obsidian flesh... but if i need the elite spot...
casting within 8 sec arent that hard (even without stone dagger and the sort)... especially every caster build should have at least some bit of energy management...
I usually save the space for obsidian flesh... but if i need the elite spot...
Dualinity
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Originally Posted by Fireburt
does it's "renew" mechanic trigger stuff like vigerous spirit or zealots fire?
Yeah it is really usefull too know, it means double zealots dmg
Rico Carridan
A decent elementalist should be able to cast every 8 seconds without too much difficulty for a fairly extended period of time. I'd use it in an air/earth build personally, something like:
Stone Daggers
Enervating Charge
Stoning
Aftershock
Lightning Orb/Whirlwind/Chain lightning/Lightning Strike
Kinetic Armor
Earth/Air Attunement (or Aura of Restoration)
Ether Renewal
Basically, just use kinetic armor at the start of battle, along with either your attunement or restoration. Then use stoning/enervating combos/aftershock combos or something. When you get low on energy, ether renewal and spam stone daggers.
Rico
Stone Daggers
Enervating Charge
Stoning
Aftershock
Lightning Orb/Whirlwind/Chain lightning/Lightning Strike
Kinetic Armor
Earth/Air Attunement (or Aura of Restoration)
Ether Renewal
Basically, just use kinetic armor at the start of battle, along with either your attunement or restoration. Then use stoning/enervating combos/aftershock combos or something. When you get low on energy, ether renewal and spam stone daggers.
Rico
Shadow Devil
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Originally Posted by Fireburt
does it's "renew" mechanic trigger stuff like vigerous spirit or zealots fire?
no, no it doesn't, since your not 'casting' it after the first cast, you dont do extra dmg.
I'm suprised nobody knew that as E/Mo soloing seems to be pretty popular. I dislike solo-farming though, got bored after a few rounds
I'm suprised nobody knew that as E/Mo soloing seems to be pretty popular. I dislike solo-farming though, got bored after a few rounds
Silmor
I really dislike the high casting time on this skill; as a defensive mechanism you want it back up as soon as possible after it ends or is stripped off, this works fine with Armor of Earth (at 3/4th casting time) but Kinetic Armor will take 3 seconds, which is easily interrupted and offers no protection while you're still casting.
Detrius
If you are going to use E/Mo as a healer or protector w/ether regen, Kinetic armor is the way to go. You will be spamming low cost and useful spells so why the hell not.
Dont Look At My
kinetic armor is bad for monk, because your energy doesnt allow you to spamm lowcost spells, go for earth armor if you want defensive earth skills, or wards against melee, but forget about Kinetik.
Elektra
ya i agree i prefer armor of earth
Guizzy
Back when I was a Earth ele, I usually ran Armor of Earth, Kinetic Armor and Obsidian Flesh (I was a ultimate tank indeed). Problem with Kinetic Armor is that you might not notice it when it's about to go out. 8 seconds might seem like a lot of time not to cast a spell in, but it goes by much faster than you think. If you wait a few seconds to regen some mana for a big spell, it might go out.
If you aim for the largest armor possible, as I did, then you will want Kinetic Armor. But if you want a standalone armor boost for when a Warrior starts beating on you, Armor of Earth makes a MUCH, MUCH bigger difference. When I forked into water, I quickly ditched Kinetic Armor for Armor of Frost.
If you aim for the largest armor possible, as I did, then you will want Kinetic Armor. But if you want a standalone armor boost for when a Warrior starts beating on you, Armor of Earth makes a MUCH, MUCH bigger difference. When I forked into water, I quickly ditched Kinetic Armor for Armor of Frost.
Dont Look At My
yey armor of frost with the other water armor together is pretty cool, but way too high recharge, thats why I prefer earth armor, you can recast it all over the time, which isnt possible with water skills.
Water skills are the best of all, just the recharge is way too high, which makes them go a bit useless if you're in trouble.
Water skills are the best of all, just the recharge is way too high, which makes them go a bit useless if you're in trouble.
Kariston The Swift
I use Armor of Earth and Kinetic armor on my monk in CA. Extra 108 armor for 30 seconds then its down to just 60. I just spam 5 energy spells to keep it up and run around while all the enemies do 1s and 2s to me. I went on a 20 win streak with that build 
Dont Look At My
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Originally Posted by Kariston The Swift
I use Armor of Earth and Kinetic armor on my monk in CA. Extra 108 armor for 30 seconds then its down to just 60. I just spam 5 energy spells to keep it up and run around while all the enemies do 1s and 2s to me. I went on a 20 win streak with that build
well you were lucky that you played against noobs. Can you tell me where you get the energy from to spamm 5energy spells when a mesmer is leeching your energy?
well you were lucky that you played against noobs. Can you tell me where you get the energy from to spamm 5energy spells when a mesmer is leeching your energy?
Kassad
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Originally Posted by Dont Look At My
well you were lucky that you played against noobs. Can you tell me where you get the energy from to spamm 5energy spells when a mesmer is leeching your energy?
Wow I have obsidian flesh, whats this? oh thats right mesmer cant touch this..
Dont Look At My
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Originally Posted by Kassad
Wow I have obsidian flesh, whats this? oh thats right mesmer cant touch this..
ohh wow, well you're noob. as mesmer I just count down the time till flesh ends, set backfire on you, leech you're energy, and as soon as backfire ends I keep bombarding you with damage spells.
and oohhh, you got some energy back up, FAST FAST; lets recast Obsidian Flesh. Now. Ever heard of Interruption skills???
well I will explain you, its like going to school. Your Flesh has 1sec cast time,
my interruption skills have a casttime of 0,13sec. Now asks the teacher. Which spell is gonna be faster? I tell you, I will interrupt you before you can get your goddamn defences up. And know what?
As with 10seconds backfire, your kinetic armor runs out. And my spells interrupt you from casting Flesh. So whats now with your ubaa build?
and oohhh, you got some energy back up, FAST FAST; lets recast Obsidian Flesh. Now. Ever heard of Interruption skills???
well I will explain you, its like going to school. Your Flesh has 1sec cast time,
my interruption skills have a casttime of 0,13sec. Now asks the teacher. Which spell is gonna be faster? I tell you, I will interrupt you before you can get your goddamn defences up. And know what?
As with 10seconds backfire, your kinetic armor runs out. And my spells interrupt you from casting Flesh. So whats now with your ubaa build?
Kassad
Wow you dont know anything dude, once i get back from work i'll tell you why mesmer is completely useless against a good earth ele.
Guizzy
Actually, when I was a Earth Ele (Me/E), I used Arcane Echo to recast Obsidian Flesh. The time my second Obsidian Flesh went down, I was able to recast my real one, for a total Obsidian Flesh duration of one minute without a downtime.
Of course; I could not do much except just be alive. Well, I could attract some attention from Stone Daggering some weak target, so they wasted some time on me. Still, there are tons of better things to do on the field than just staying alive.
I soon found out that dying is not such a bad things as long as you've been worth your slot. If, for instance, I die very far from the melee, and managed to slow an enemy warrior so that it will take a lot of time for him to go back to the fight, I've been practically worth my slot. If you manage to cast a very large spell on all the enemy team before dying, it's not that bad. Even if you die before casting anything, but you manage to attract their whole aggro for the split-second your team needs to run up to their monk / mesmers / elementalists, it might have been a good tradeoff. If you are some dead weight on the battlefield, no one's gonna want to play with you.
Of course; I could not do much except just be alive. Well, I could attract some attention from Stone Daggering some weak target, so they wasted some time on me. Still, there are tons of better things to do on the field than just staying alive.
I soon found out that dying is not such a bad things as long as you've been worth your slot. If, for instance, I die very far from the melee, and managed to slow an enemy warrior so that it will take a lot of time for him to go back to the fight, I've been practically worth my slot. If you manage to cast a very large spell on all the enemy team before dying, it's not that bad. Even if you die before casting anything, but you manage to attract their whole aggro for the split-second your team needs to run up to their monk / mesmers / elementalists, it might have been a good tradeoff. If you are some dead weight on the battlefield, no one's gonna want to play with you.
FrogDevourer
If you want a quick static defense, Armor of Earth is faster and possibly better. The 3s casting time of kinetic makes it hard to use efficiently against good opponents (who will strip it, or simply ignore you for a softer target). However, if you use a kinetic build, you can keep it up easily. In short, kinetic can be better provided that your build makes a good use of this skill (typically a kinetic/obs flesh turtle monk), but most of the time, Armor of Earth is more practical.
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Originally Posted by Dont Look At My
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ohh wow, well you're noob. as mesmer I just count down the time till flesh ends, set backfire on you, leech you're energy, and as soon as backfire ends I keep bombarding you with damage spells.
and oohhh, you got some energy back up, FAST FAST; lets recast Obsidian Flesh. Now. Ever heard of Interruption skills???
well I will explain you, its like going to school. Your Flesh has 1sec cast time,
my interruption skills have a casttime of 0,13sec. Now asks the teacher. Which spell is gonna be faster? I tell you, I will interrupt you before you can get your goddamn defences up. And know what?
As with 10seconds backfire, your kinetic armor runs out. And my spells interrupt you from casting Flesh. So whats now with your ubaa build? Great job being an arrogant and condescending brat on an off topic subject.
Now reread the Obs Flesh description and you'll see that you have exactly 6s to backfire/leech and to interrupt the next occurrence of Obs.Flesh. Provided that this skill isn't echoed/mimicried, and that you're able to count correctly, or smashing your BF button, and taking into account the 1.5s casting time of backfire (~50% with high fast cast), you have 4.5s left to do all this. Now the Obs Flesh owner will cast only once through BF to be protected by the enchant again, then wait 4s for BF to wear off, and resume his spellcasting.
As for interrupting a 1s spell with interrupts and taking into account natural human speed and potential lag (not to mention Glyph of Sacrifice or Fast Casting), I seriously doubt you'll be able to catch Obs.Flesh every 30s. And even if you were good and able to shut down this combination entirely with these spells, you'll have to spend your whole time baby sitting the elementalist. Conclusion it's a 1v1 trade off. Good job wasting your time.
Obsidian Flesh is by no means an unbeatable spell but it's unarguably a very good defense, especially against mesmers now that the inspiration line has been toned down. Yes it can be defeated but most mesmers out there (and especially in the 4v4 arenas) won't be able to handle flesh properly, and BF is not a solution.
Next time you want to use this arrogant tone, be sure the poster and his argument deserve this treatment, or you'll just sound like a fool.
and oohhh, you got some energy back up, FAST FAST; lets recast Obsidian Flesh. Now. Ever heard of Interruption skills???
well I will explain you, its like going to school. Your Flesh has 1sec cast time,
my interruption skills have a casttime of 0,13sec. Now asks the teacher. Which spell is gonna be faster? I tell you, I will interrupt you before you can get your goddamn defences up. And know what?
As with 10seconds backfire, your kinetic armor runs out. And my spells interrupt you from casting Flesh. So whats now with your ubaa build? Great job being an arrogant and condescending brat on an off topic subject.
Now reread the Obs Flesh description and you'll see that you have exactly 6s to backfire/leech and to interrupt the next occurrence of Obs.Flesh. Provided that this skill isn't echoed/mimicried, and that you're able to count correctly, or smashing your BF button, and taking into account the 1.5s casting time of backfire (~50% with high fast cast), you have 4.5s left to do all this. Now the Obs Flesh owner will cast only once through BF to be protected by the enchant again, then wait 4s for BF to wear off, and resume his spellcasting.
As for interrupting a 1s spell with interrupts and taking into account natural human speed and potential lag (not to mention Glyph of Sacrifice or Fast Casting), I seriously doubt you'll be able to catch Obs.Flesh every 30s. And even if you were good and able to shut down this combination entirely with these spells, you'll have to spend your whole time baby sitting the elementalist. Conclusion it's a 1v1 trade off. Good job wasting your time.
Obsidian Flesh is by no means an unbeatable spell but it's unarguably a very good defense, especially against mesmers now that the inspiration line has been toned down. Yes it can be defeated but most mesmers out there (and especially in the 4v4 arenas) won't be able to handle flesh properly, and BF is not a solution.
Next time you want to use this arrogant tone, be sure the poster and his argument deserve this treatment, or you'll just sound like a fool.
Dont Look At My
well I had my reasons, I always like it to be a fool ^^
but he was just like yelling around "I am unkillable" Quote: "Mesmers cant touch this"
thats what draw my attention. Actually people are noticing Obsidian Flesh because Kinetic Armor got boosted up, didnt hear people talk a lot about Obsidian Flesh before, its not like Obsidian Flesh got boosted, it is still beatable ^^
and, erm, I met some eles alreddy with my mesmers, and they were using Obsidian flesh, and I did count correctly, backfire-> GIVES YOU 10seconds to leech and cast other stuff. Because backfire lasts 10seconds. After than you can bring something in which doubles his cast rate, which makes it really easy for you to block.
Well about the lagg, this was a huge problem for me always, because lagg suckz, well I found a solution, I move close to the ennemi. Two advantages in there:
1) some interrupt spells are being "thrown" so they needed longer the further your away from your ennemi
2) You can follow him if he trys to run *g*
Well I tryed a fun build once, in fact in random arena, you can overcast Obsidian Flesh, without having a cooldown. Really funny, but you have to focuss fully on Obsidian Flesh, which means not really lods of damage, but you are unkillable.
You have a total bonus from armor of: 150, being immune to any kind of spells, its just cool ^^
there is an easy version for monks:
16divine favor
12earth magic
*have a +20% staff
*Cast Blessed Aura
now this will make you have a cooldown of 2seconds, and having 1sec recast time.
means 3seconds where you can get hurt.
now as mesmers (the ones who know somthing of the game), count down for 24seconds, they cast their backfir: 1-2seconds, so you're at 26seconds.
their backfire fails, and you can just wait off 3seconds (perhaps put Holy Veil in when Obsidian flesh goes off).
But look at the disadvanteges, you can't heal your teammates as much, and thats a big problem. You can make "unkillable" builds (depends who you encounter) with lods of classes, but I wouldn't give you the advice to do so.
but he was just like yelling around "I am unkillable" Quote: "Mesmers cant touch this"
thats what draw my attention. Actually people are noticing Obsidian Flesh because Kinetic Armor got boosted up, didnt hear people talk a lot about Obsidian Flesh before, its not like Obsidian Flesh got boosted, it is still beatable ^^
and, erm, I met some eles alreddy with my mesmers, and they were using Obsidian flesh, and I did count correctly, backfire-> GIVES YOU 10seconds to leech and cast other stuff. Because backfire lasts 10seconds. After than you can bring something in which doubles his cast rate, which makes it really easy for you to block.
Well about the lagg, this was a huge problem for me always, because lagg suckz, well I found a solution, I move close to the ennemi. Two advantages in there:
1) some interrupt spells are being "thrown" so they needed longer the further your away from your ennemi
2) You can follow him if he trys to run *g*
Well I tryed a fun build once, in fact in random arena, you can overcast Obsidian Flesh, without having a cooldown. Really funny, but you have to focuss fully on Obsidian Flesh, which means not really lods of damage, but you are unkillable.
You have a total bonus from armor of: 150, being immune to any kind of spells, its just cool ^^
there is an easy version for monks:
16divine favor
12earth magic
*have a +20% staff
*Cast Blessed Aura
now this will make you have a cooldown of 2seconds, and having 1sec recast time.
means 3seconds where you can get hurt.
now as mesmers (the ones who know somthing of the game), count down for 24seconds, they cast their backfir: 1-2seconds, so you're at 26seconds.
their backfire fails, and you can just wait off 3seconds (perhaps put Holy Veil in when Obsidian flesh goes off).
But look at the disadvanteges, you can't heal your teammates as much, and thats a big problem. You can make "unkillable" builds (depends who you encounter) with lods of classes, but I wouldn't give you the advice to do so.
Dont Look At My
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Originally Posted by Guizzy
Of course; I could not do much except just be alive. Well, I could attract some attention from Stone Daggering some weak target, so they wasted some time on me. Still, there are tons of better things to do on the field than just staying alive.
I soon found out that dying is not such a bad things as long as you've been worth your slot. If, for instance, I die very far from the melee, and managed to slow an enemy warrior so that it will take a lot of time for him to go back to the fight, I've been practically worth my slot. If you manage to cast a very large spell on all the enemy team before dying, it's not that bad. Even if you die before casting anything, but you manage to attract their whole aggro for the split-second your team needs to run up to their monk / mesmers / elementalists, it might have been a good tradeoff. If you are some dead weight on the battlefield, no one's gonna want to play with you.
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Originally Posted by Kassad
Wow you dont know anything dude, once i get back from work i'll tell you why mesmer is completely useless against a good earth ele.
Well great one, go and play against a good team, I know that Obsidian Flesh is good, but generally mesmer is anti-caster, and since ele is a caster, mesmer must be anti-ele, so memser can't be really completely useless against an ele.
Kassad
Dude Mesmer cant touch this as i said, like YOU said, Mesmer stances ftw!
E/Me with Mantra of resolve, Dude dont be a ignorant noob and think next time when you post.
Dont Look At My
well tell me how mantra of resolve stops me from putting backfire on you, and then start leeching your energy.
Originally Posted by Kassad
Ohh well you wil be able to recast, with the result that I will try to interrupt you, and you loose much energy again. What are you going to do with an ubaaprotection set up, and no energy to attack something? That sounds just as silly as the self-protecting warrior-monk builds. EDIT: Quote: Dude Mesmer cant touch this as i said, like YOU said, Mesmer stances ftw!
E/Me with Mantra of resolve, Dude dont be a ignorant noob and think next time when you post. I think next time you should think before you post.
unienaule
This has degenerated into a battle of little kids. "I have shields." "My guns go through shields." "No they don't." "Yes they do." Mods, close this.
Dont Look At My
aight. There has just been like someone coming completly off topic.
Isn't it that what you did Kassad?
Kassad
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Originally Posted by Dont Look At My
well tell me how mantra of resolve stops me from putting backfire on you, and then start leeching your energy.
Ohh well you wil be able to recast, with the result that I will try to interrupt you, and you loose much energy again. What are you going to do with an ubaaprotection set up, and no energy to attack something? That sounds just as silly as the self-protecting warrior-monk builds. EDIT: I think next time you should think before you post. Resolve then Flesh, god why cant you just understand you cant beat a good earth ele?
unienaule
Kassad: "I'm invincible." Not true. I'm an earth ele. Melandru's arrows would own you.
Don't: "I can kill you cause im arrogant and sarcastic." Nuff said. Can either of you shut up? Clearly Kassad isn't going to be reasoned with. Hopefully Dont can just let it die.
Kassad
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Originally Posted by unienaule
Kassad: "I'm invincible." Not true. I'm an earth ele. Melandru's arrows would own you.
Don't: "I can kill you cause im arrogant and sarcastic." Nuff said. Can either of you shut up? Clearly Kassad isn't going to be reasoned with. Hopefully Dont can just let it die. Oh ya, 1-2dmg a hit will clearly own me in seconds, with my set up I just run it at LA arena, spells cant be casted at me and they have like a 4-6 second window to do so and all dmg is 1-2. Eviscerate does 5 dmg.. with aura of rest up I can keep my health up max most of the time.
unienaule
Clearly now you are a noob. Melandrus does extra ARMOR IGNORING DAMAGE and bleeding when you have enchants up. gg. I know, I'm an earth ele. Please just stop, mr. "I'm Invincible." We all know you can be killed in a variety of different ways. Please, everyone ignore whatever ignorant comments he posts after this, and just let it die. Thank you.
Kassad
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Originally Posted by unienaule
Clearly now you are a noob. Melandrus does extra ARMOR IGNORING DAMAGE and bleeding when you have enchants up. gg.
Wow my gw must be bugged then, because whenever i get attacked by a melandrus ranger, yes your right.. -1, -2 pop up on screen. Yes change your post, I guess your running out of "reasons how my build can be owned so easy." Your just a noob who thinks he knows everything, Good luck in guild wars.
unienaule
And you didn't change your post... not that it matters, but you just added "hypocrite" to your growing list of problems. And no, I'm not the one claiming invicibility off just one skill. Do you see ANYONE and i mean ANYONE crying for an Ob Flesh nerf? No. That's because Melandru's arrows works like I say it does. Go test it in SF if you don't believe me. Oh and the balance between large energy pool vs. not losing a ton of energy from Mantra of Resolve when i try to interrupt you means you will have low amounts of energy.
Kassad
SF and Pvp are different things.. are you not aware of that?
unienaule
Skills are the same in both places, are you not aware of that?
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