Why is it that just because you don't belong to a guild that does HoH often you're denied fame and ranks ? I don't understand why one cannot get fame from the other arenas ? My suggestion is that for every 10k faction you gain a rank atleast =/
please think of those without FOTM toons, we don't get HoH groups but we still like to be famous ^^
Fame and Rank
Mordrin Mandrake
ManadartheHealer
Um, fame and rank are for HoH alone. While I personally have a minimal amount of fame (30) and 0 rank, I would never like to see these gained for simply grinding away mindlessly in the competition arenas.
Mordrin Mandrake
then maybe make a sort of HoH for random grps.. since not everyone wants to play FOTM and non FOTM's doesn't get grps =(
Zeru
FOTM doesn't get much fame anyway.
johnnylange
HoH is sort of like the Olympics. Everything else is regionals and local. 
Maagus
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Originally Posted by Mordrin Mandrake
then maybe make a sort of HoH for random grps.. since not everyone wants to play FOTM and non FOTM's doesn't get grps =(
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To stay on topic : I don´t think that buying fame or rank is good thing. Its not. It is similar to real life : can you buy experience ? Can you just pay without practicing and become as experienced as people who trained hard ?
Chev of Hardass
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Originally Posted by Maagus
Its not about FOTM, it is about your ability to adapt. If you are still advertising only one char with only one particular build, there is almost no chance to get into group.
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advertise that you are a W/R IWAY warrior, instant group.
If you want to sit and get ignored for hours advertise that-
you are looking for a group with a build and can accomidate their build as long as it is not IWAY
Fame is over rated anyway, just like hardcore farmers get millions of gold, fame farmers get all the fame they want 1 at a time. There is no way to prove how good you are at this game without actually playing with someone, anyone who disagrees probably rode on a guild members coat-tails to the HoH and is now rank 6.
Mordrin Mandrake
i didn't mean you buy for faction really.. just have some system that lets you get fame and glory for winning alot in other arenas then HoH =)
Kai Nui
Yes, if I buy good equipment (Fame or rank) then I'll be good. It's about personal achievement not buying your way to the top cause I'm rich.
Mordrin Mandrake
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Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass
Not true, if you want in a group right now-
advertise that you are a W/R IWAY warrior, instant group. If you want to sit and get ignored for hours advertise that- you are looking for a group with a build and can accomidate their build as long as it is not IWAY Fame is over rated anyway, just like hardcore farmers get millions of gold, fame farmers get all the fame they want 1 at a time. There is no way to prove how good you are at this game without actually playing with someone, anyone who disagrees probably rode on a guild members coat-tails to the HoH and is now rank 6. |
Autumn_Leaf
people want fame to make those cool animals( i do too) but has become more than that now. especially in the international districts where people are looking for rank 6 players only. it like OMFG rank 6( i'm only rank1 atm). when i want to try some different build people always ask what rank are you or are you rank 3.
it's become mindless grind to get fame b/c thats what u need to prove that ur an "experienced player" these day, so many many peopl(inckuding self) just do iway b/c its an easy to get into group, any body can do it, and if u lose u just go back in and grind some more.
it's become mindless grind to get fame b/c thats what u need to prove that ur an "experienced player" these day, so many many peopl(inckuding self) just do iway b/c its an easy to get into group, any body can do it, and if u lose u just go back in and grind some more.
Timoz
Ok, why people don't get fame from other arenas:
After holding the halls for over 10 consec times tonight (and winning euro favor)
- had to mention.. You think we just walked in, strolled in and took it...?
No, its taken us days, weeks, probably just over a month to perfect our builds, change them and get the right people around at the right times.
We have put in one hell of a lot of effort to be able to walk into the hall anytime and win. We've worked and grinded for our fame and faction, and now it pays off.
When i was a low rank, i used to make my own builds, thats how my fame rolled in, used to make my own pugs and advertise for people all the time, we weren't winning hoh back then but it was fame farming like mad and we often got to hoh.
In other arenas, its stupidly easy to get any amount of wins, to farm stupid loads of faction. TA- loads of faction, go up a rank easy if what your saying were brought in.
GvG, ever heard of a smurf guild?
If fame were introduced for other arenas or for certain amounts of faction there would be a million rank 6-9+ ppls.
After holding the halls for over 10 consec times tonight (and winning euro favor)
- had to mention.. You think we just walked in, strolled in and took it...?No, its taken us days, weeks, probably just over a month to perfect our builds, change them and get the right people around at the right times.
We have put in one hell of a lot of effort to be able to walk into the hall anytime and win. We've worked and grinded for our fame and faction, and now it pays off.
When i was a low rank, i used to make my own builds, thats how my fame rolled in, used to make my own pugs and advertise for people all the time, we weren't winning hoh back then but it was fame farming like mad and we often got to hoh.
In other arenas, its stupidly easy to get any amount of wins, to farm stupid loads of faction. TA- loads of faction, go up a rank easy if what your saying were brought in.
GvG, ever heard of a smurf guild?
If fame were introduced for other arenas or for certain amounts of faction there would be a million rank 6-9+ ppls.
Kaospryx
I think there's a reason why fame and rank is so hard to get. Who really wants to see everyone spamming their rank emote? It's interesting, because only a small proportion of the population has one. It gives the rest of the gw population who want one something to look forward to and work for, a goal. It would be pointless if everyone had one, it's so people actually stand out.
romO
think about that suggestion. 10k faction for a rank? thats absurd. it only goes up to rank 12 (well, some rumor up to 15), and if i gain 40k faction a day, i will be the top rank in 3 days. what does that give to look forward to? perhaps minimal amounts of fame in other arenas is a decent suggestion, but tombs is where you can really coordinate builds and teamwork is most important. it takes the most skill and is hardest to suceed in, which is why rank should have meaning. i do agree though, that lots of times these days, rank means nothing. i have played with rank 8 players that are simply HORRIBLE and no matter what role theyre playing, they have no idea what theyre doing. also, if you get into a decent group, and you play well, someone will probably notice, and so you will be invited back into groups at other times, so that you have a large friends list and dont have to spam LFG in districts.
knives
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As I said.. you HAVE to be FOTM to get a grp in HoH, wich is very dull. and since fame doesnt really do anything then prove you pvp alot i can't see why someone that pvp's alot in another arena then HoH would be stripped of his rights to fame.
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Team arena is slightly better, but still, its hardly fame worthy.
Tombs is an area with different scenarios on the maps. Holding the altar, relic runs, priests, and downright smash and bash. It takes MUCH more coordination to compose a good team and follow through with a plan. Also skills need to be coordinated to compliment each others builds. There are FotM's, but then anti-fotms appear, and people run those, and then people find that buiild to be so good, they copy it and tweak it do deal with any situation, and that becomes fotm.
YOU choose to grind for fame. I play what is fun to me, be it IWAY at times, or earth smite. If I don't like the build, I don't NEED fame, and to me it seems like you WANT it. Because of the skill needed to coordinate effectively and adapt to one another, as well as the maps, tombs does reward fame.
Don't think IWAY gets fame everytime, I've been the necro in agroup where they couldn't even take down the unworthy, no joke at all. Besides, those who GvG often get tons of faction, but when making a tombs build, GvG rank means nothing, other than that they coordinate well with each other. r1k guild has beaten a r400 something guild, not running counters to each other. If faction buys fame and rank than all these GvGers will think they are the best thing in the world, and this will eliminate the point of having a rank system in the first place.
Besides, if you get a person who has gained fame through IWAY, then you play with him, find out hes a noob, proceed to kick him.
NightOwl
Perhaps a 3rd catagory could be introduced for those who play in and excel in the arenas? Not fame or rank, but something different. Call it whatever...but it would still be a nice perk to work towards or show off for those who pvp but don't play tombs much.
/shrug
/shrug
romO
team arenas is one thing, but random arenas, i mean, its random, so a lot of it is luck. and i dont know. small arenas like that are kind of insignificant. they are just for fun or practice. if people want to get serious about pvp, i suggest they just start tombing. i understand its hard at first, it was hard for everyone, but you get past that and eventually it gets really easy.
Mordrin Mandrake
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Originally Posted by Timoz
Ok, why people don't get fame from other arenas:
After holding the halls for over 10 consec times tonight (and winning euro favor) - had to mention.. You think we just walked in, strolled in and took it...?No, its taken us days, weeks, probably just over a month to perfect our builds, change them and get the right people around at the right times. We have put in one hell of a lot of effort to be able to walk into the hall anytime and win. We've worked and grinded for our fame and faction, and now it pays off. When i was a low rank, i used to make my own builds, thats how my fame rolled in, used to make my own pugs and advertise for people all the time, we weren't winning hoh back then but it was fame farming like mad and we often got to hoh. In other arenas, its stupidly easy to get any amount of wins, to farm stupid loads of faction. TA- loads of faction, go up a rank easy if what your saying were brought in. GvG, ever heard of a smurf guild? If fame were introduced for other arenas or for certain amounts of faction there would be a million rank 6-9+ ppls. |
Me saying 10k faction was just a bit of a quick suggestion.. ofc that would be too easy. let's say it took you a month to gain one rank. that's fine then make it take a month to get in in team PvP arena too. It's still a matter of tactical setup's and strategy there.
I Agree that as some has point out the random arena might not be worth the rank or fame since .. well they doin't have to plan setups and stuff.
and another thing:
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If fame were introduced for other arenas or for certain amounts of faction there would be a million rank 6-9+ ppls.
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banishd
tombs is a joke.
arenas are a joke.
gvgftw
arenas are a joke.
gvgftw
Zuggy
Fame and Rank earned for the other arenas would make the reward of having the animals worthless. And Tombs isn't about the FotM, it's about adaptation. Sure if you say W/R lf IWAY group you'll have an instant group, but what happens when IWAY groups start dying out? Those w/r's will have to be able to change to other characters. I can currently run healing or protection or martyr monk (I actually invented the martyr monk here on this forum), KD/AS Warrior, IWAY Warrior, Modified W/R for special Smite Build, E/Mo Smiter, and Spiker, Trapper, Spirit or Marksman Ranger, and these are just the builds I've tried, I have enough stuff unlocked that I could try some other stuff too. Right now I'm unlocking for a n/me build. I am very flexible and that's how tombs is won.
PS here's the thread where I invented the martyr monk. After this I saw them all over tombs and it's an excellent build. It's on the first page, 16th reply from the top. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...Strange+Builds
PS here's the thread where I invented the martyr monk. After this I saw them all over tombs and it's an excellent build. It's on the first page, 16th reply from the top. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...Strange+Builds
Chev of Hardass
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Originally Posted by Zuggy
........And Tombs isn't about the FotM, it's about adaptation.
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I can currently run healing or protection or martyr monk (I actually invented the martyr monk here on this forum), KD/AS Warrior, IWAY Warrior, Modified W/R for special Smite Build, E/Mo Smiter, and Spiker, Trapper, Spirit or Marksman Ranger, and these are just the builds I've tried,
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And then list out the past and present flavor of the month builds as the builds you have tried.
Things that make you say hmmmmmmmm.
Charcoal Ann
well.... i've been using Martyr a lot in PvE. its a bit much to say you INVENTED it. you were maybe the first person to post it on a board but by no means the first person ever to use it.
Timoz
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Originally Posted by Mordrin Mandrake
SO What ? If all theese people grinded for as long as you do in HoH but they did it in Team pvp arena.. so what then ? same amount of time pvp;ing means they are most likely great at team pvp. just as great as you are in HoH. And they'd probably kick your ass in Team pvp as much as you would them in HoH, cause i'm sure you realize that the tactics aren't the same when it comes to building a 4v4 group as in buiding a HoH grp.
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For example, just for a laugh with some guildys the other day, we got bored, went to TA on premade paladins and racked up over 20 consec..lol...
Now if we actually put effort into this... and this rank system were in place..
Its just a bad idea.. so bad.
TA is a practise place, leave it at that..
unienaule
Imagine if you got nothing from HoH but faction. No favor, nothing. Teams there would suck too. If TA had fame, people would try harder.
Akathrielah
If you are tired of sitting around advertising in Tombs, go find a guild that does tombs PvP. Other than that find a group of folks that you normally play with and start from there.
IWAY builds are like any other FoTM, simple, effective (with people that have some semblance of how to play this game), and pathetically easy to counter.
As for things like fame and rank, its really the only way of determining if a complete random stranger you want to pick up for your group has any idea of how to play.
If you think FoTM builds net you alot of fame (rank 3 is 180 fame, rank 6 is 1000 fame, have fun earning that at 1 or 2 fame at a time) think again.
And even if a horrible player managed to "farm" their way to rank 6, the instant they join any group, their lack of skill will be noticed immediately and they simply get blacklisted. The easiest way of getting invited into good groups is word of mouth.
IWAY builds are like any other FoTM, simple, effective (with people that have some semblance of how to play this game), and pathetically easy to counter.
As for things like fame and rank, its really the only way of determining if a complete random stranger you want to pick up for your group has any idea of how to play.
If you think FoTM builds net you alot of fame (rank 3 is 180 fame, rank 6 is 1000 fame, have fun earning that at 1 or 2 fame at a time) think again.
And even if a horrible player managed to "farm" their way to rank 6, the instant they join any group, their lack of skill will be noticed immediately and they simply get blacklisted. The easiest way of getting invited into good groups is word of mouth.
Mariodood
I think that while fame shouldn't be dirt-easy to get, it should not be limited to HoH anymore. I don't know if this was Anet's intention, but Rank has now turned into a measurement of skill. Rank 3+ accounts are the ones that are most likely to be invited to a group, and as long as it's going to affect how people look at our skill, we should be able to get it in other ways than the HoH, because Guild Wars PVP is not all about HoH.
Maagus
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Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass
Not true, if you want in a group right now-
advertise that you are a W/R IWAY warrior, instant group. If you want to sit and get ignored for hours advertise that- you are looking for a group with a build and can accomidate their build as long as it is not IWAY Fame is over rated anyway, just like hardcore farmers get millions of gold, fame farmers get all the fame they want 1 at a time. There is no way to prove how good you are at this game without actually playing with someone, anyone who disagrees probably rode on a guild members coat-tails to the HoH and is now rank 6. |
About the over-rating of fame, I agree. But I don´t agree about farmers. Getting and hodling HoH requires team cooperation and there is no room for any fame-farmers (as you call them). You won´t hold HoH or even get there with people without skill.
Mario 64 Master
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Originally Posted by Mariodood
I think that while fame shouldn't be dirt-easy to get, it should not be limited to HoH anymore. I don't know if this was Anet's intention, but Rank has now turned into a measurement of skill. Rank 3+ accounts are the ones that are most likely to be invited to a group, and as long as it's going to affect how people look at our skill, we should be able to get it in other ways than the HoH, because Guild Wars PVP is not all about HoH.
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Random arena doesn't really quite cut it because it doesn't teach you anything about team strategies going into games, voice communication, or anything like that. So if you think that just doing a lot of random arena is going to make you a good pvp player, you need to get some practice in other areas too.
Ensign
I can see giving out, say, 1 fame for every 5 consecutive wins in Team Arena. It'd be slow, but Team Arena is still an organized format and being able to peel off a bunch of wins in a row there is worth something.
Random arena? I'm as opposed to giving out fame there as I am to giving out fame randomly. They'll get fame on their fifteenth win, anyway, once they've gotten into team arenas.
Peace,
-CxE
Random arena? I'm as opposed to giving out fame there as I am to giving out fame randomly. They'll get fame on their fifteenth win, anyway, once they've gotten into team arenas.
Peace,
-CxE
Garrett The Brigand
1 rank for 10k faction? Hohoho that logic is flawed, considering it takes 170 fame to jump from 3 to 4 alone. Maybe 1 fame for... 10k faction, but certainly not 1 rank.
Cymboric Treewalker
I love those people saying that ONLY HoH is fame worthy...
wha?
You mean GvG or team arenas are not fame worthy?
Wow.
I agree that the smaller random arenas should not earn fame or too many idiots would go discourage new comers, but GvG should definately earn fame. The team arena should potentially earn fame as well.
wha?
You mean GvG or team arenas are not fame worthy?
Wow.
I agree that the smaller random arenas should not earn fame or too many idiots would go discourage new comers, but GvG should definately earn fame. The team arena should potentially earn fame as well.
Chev of Hardass
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You mean GvG or team arenas are not fame worthy?
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However, I think GvG, since the game is Guild Wars, not Tombs, or HoH, should give fame. I would even go as far as to suggest that 1 fame for the first match 2 for the second, three for the third, and so on. That being limited to keeping the same team members between matches.
One and Two
Yeah maybe GVG. But random arenas? Come on...nobody needs fame for random arenas. I go to random arena for relaxation...
Timoz
GVG with fame = smurf guilds = mass fame = lots of high ranks.
But then if your trying to pick out a skilled player in the tombs, theres a rank 9 or something around and he got all his fame from gvg but you don't know that... gvg is completely different..different type of skill to tombs.
You also achieve a guild rank from playing.. thats the reward of gvg.. being able to say your in a highly ranked guild if you win.
Join a highly ranked guild or play more gvg if you don't like it as it is or join a tomb and gvg guild..
They'd have to change the game quite a bit if giving out fame for gvg.
If fame were introduced for so many consecutive wins in TA like, 5 as was suggested earlier it seems fine..
But then if your trying to pick out a skilled player in the tombs, theres a rank 9 or something around and he got all his fame from gvg but you don't know that... gvg is completely different..different type of skill to tombs.
You also achieve a guild rank from playing.. thats the reward of gvg.. being able to say your in a highly ranked guild if you win.
Join a highly ranked guild or play more gvg if you don't like it as it is or join a tomb and gvg guild..
They'd have to change the game quite a bit if giving out fame for gvg.
If fame were introduced for so many consecutive wins in TA like, 5 as was suggested earlier it seems fine..
Chev of Hardass
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GVG with fame = smurf guilds = mass fame = lots of high ranks.
But then if your trying to pick out a skilled player in the tombs, theres a rank 9 or something around and he got all his fame from gvg but you don't know that... gvg is completely different..different type of skill to tombs. You also achieve a guild rank from playing.. thats the reward of gvg.. being able to say your in a highly ranked guild if you win. Join a highly ranked guild or play more gvg if you don't like it as it is or join a tomb and gvg guild.. They'd have to change the game quite a bit if giving out fame for gvg. If fame were introduced for so many consecutive wins in TA like, 5 as was suggested earlier it seems fine.. |
Holy carp, do you listen to yourself at all?
Timoz
I suggested, fame would mean nothing when getting people of a certain rank as it takes different type's of skill for gvg and tombs...
Understand now i've put it in simple terms for you?
Also.. why give fame when people can create smurf guilds and get easy fame from gvg if this were introduced?
And with the TA fame.. i think a series of consecutive wins deserves more of a reward than faction, when you don't een get extra faction for a series of wins.
Racking up a series of 60+wins in TA and you have just faction to show for it.. i just think it deserves a reward of something maybe.
HOLY CARP! DID YOU READ WHAT I SAID! ! ! ! !
Understand now i've put it in simple terms for you?
Also.. why give fame when people can create smurf guilds and get easy fame from gvg if this were introduced?
And with the TA fame.. i think a series of consecutive wins deserves more of a reward than faction, when you don't een get extra faction for a series of wins.
Racking up a series of 60+wins in TA and you have just faction to show for it.. i just think it deserves a reward of something maybe.
HOLY CARP! DID YOU READ WHAT I SAID! ! ! ! !
Chev of Hardass
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I suggested, fame would mean nothing when getting people of a certain rank as it takes different type's of skill for gvg and tombs...
Understand now i've put it in simple terms for you? Also.. why give fame when people can create smurf guilds and get easy fame from gvg if this were introduced? And with the TA fame.. i think a series of consecutive wins deserves more of a reward than faction, when you don't een get extra faction for a series of wins. Racking up a series of 60+wins in TA and you have just faction to show for it.. i just think it deserves a reward of something maybe. HOLY CARP! DID YOU READ WHAT I SAID! ! ! ! ! |
So what is the Emote for having a guild rank under 500, 200, 100, 50, or being the top guild? There is none. In fact, there is no reward to GvGing except that you have increased (or decreased) your standing on some website that most people that play the game never see.
If A.Net would do something about the ladder lock smurf guilds would not be a problem. Besides, anyone that want to go play teams full of 4 hench (rank 800+) can. There is no honor there, no glory, just the business of taking advantage of new guilds.
and the correct answer to the end quite is
"I drift in and out," Peter Griffon.
Navaros
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Originally Posted by Mordrin Mandrake
Why is it that just because you don't belong to a guild that does HoH often you're denied fame and ranks ? I don't understand why one cannot get fame from the other arenas ? My suggestion is that for every 10k faction you gain a rank atleast =/
please think of those without FOTM toons, we don't get HoH groups but we still like to be famous ^^ |
then i started doing Tombs and earning fame very slowly. it sure was a major pain in the butt to earn fame. very hard and time-consuming to do. for me it always has been, and still is.
but then i started thinking how cool it was when i first got myself a deer and at that time, not a lot of other people had deers. it was awesome because i had something that most people didn't have.
then i got to thinking: what if the game gave out fame for all the Arenas?
the answer is, everybody would have an emote. and if everyone has it, then it's worthless and pointless. it's not a "reward" at all. might as well just give an emote to all Ascended players; that'd be pretty much the same thing as giving it to players in the other Arenas of the game besides Tombs
in summary: leaving the current fame system as is, although very annoying and tedious at times, is the best fit for the game in order to keep fame from turning from a "reward" into something that is totally meaningless