The following sites are on E-Bay, both selling a program to basically steal somebodies account... I do beleive that is illegal and something should be done about this.
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I am not positive if they work, however IF they do... That is something that needs attention taken to it first thing. Otherwise ANet will have a very large security issue on their hands.
Isnt this VERY Illegal????
Senketsou
Asplode
I'm not exactly sure why this is dangerous; no one knows your account name in GW anyway, unless you tell them.
Frost_
its just a keygen, anybody could get one for free
glockjs
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I'm not exactly sure why this is dangerous; no one knows your account name in GW anyway, unless you tell them.
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i've said it before. people like this should be shot in the head...twice
yaos
If the people who made the auctions were smart the program would also require the person trying to get the password to put in their username and password.
Kamikaze Cletus
All it is is a program to find passwords. I'm sure only idiots will download it, and as long as they don't have your email, you're fine.
Legendary Battousai
1, keylogger
2, it wont work
3, even if it did, it would take months and months
2, it wont work
3, even if it did, it would take months and months
Sayshina
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what are you talking about....it's a brute hacking proggy
i've said it before. people like this should be shot in the head...twice |
Here's a thought. Spend less time talking about shooting anyone, hope, pray the day never comes when you have to, train for that day anyway, and if it does try not to hit anybody else.
As to the OP: It's not illegal to make a program that does this, although there's a decent chance it will be soon. It IS illegal to USE it, at least as far as other peoples property is concerned.
It COULD be considered illegal today, if you could prove that it has no legitimate uses, the same way that file sharing is getting hit now.
Bottom line? You can't get the law to take ANYTHING about video games seriously. There have been a number of game makers guilty of false advertising at the least (this one included), and a few probably guilty of outright fraud. So far the courts have given one gigantic yawn.
I suspect that to change in another few years, whenever the law realizes just how much money is changing hands. In fact, all this "violence in games" nonsense will probably be the catalyst. I also suspect that sooner or later this "we can do anything we want to our product anytime we want, because you never actualy 'own' it" nonsense to be challenged, and hopefully found illegal.
ShadowStorm
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Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai
1, keylogger
2, it wont work 3, even if it did, it would take months and months |
2. You are correct. Yeah the program will find a password for you, but only if you already have that person's login username (their email address). There's no way to tell what a person's email addy is if they don't tell you because the email isn't visiblibly associated with that player's characters.
3. It will only take months and months if the person's account you're trying to crack is a paranoid security freak. A good brute force password cracker will only take about 2-3 hours to crack a password that is composed entirely of letters of the alphabet, no matter the length of the password itself. And even then it'll only take that long if the person chose a password that isn't a known word in the english language. If they chose a password that contains letters and numbers, is the maximum length allowed by Guild Wars, and doesn't contain any known words, then it might, MIGHT, take as long as you said.
Just thought I'd include my 2 cents.
heist23
i think he means that the program's just a farce trying to get you to enter YOUR OWN password so he/she can steal your account, instead of actually stealing someone else's account.
Anraeth
just use brutus?
it still tsakes 876534 years to get a password from someone, and you need their email.....
it still tsakes 876534 years to get a password from someone, and you need their email.....
EternalTempest
The 1st ebay link is no longer a valid auction
So the seller .. or ebay yanked it, the 2nd one is still open.
Agree with everyone, the key / username / password are not generated with each other in any way. The is no "save" password feature so the login is stored server side only. Have to agree about brute force or it "keylogs" your password when you knew it and then will give it back to you if you forget later... or it just steals your account info.
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Agree with everyone, the key / username / password are not generated with each other in any way. The is no "save" password feature so the login is stored server side only. Have to agree about brute force or it "keylogs" your password when you knew it and then will give it back to you if you forget later... or it just steals your account info.
Xue Yi Liang
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Why is it that so many boys dreaming of shooting someone worship the mighty Glock? Could it be they can't figure out how to work a thumb safety?
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I used to hate the Glock because it was an ugly hunk of metal and plastic. Then I trained with a Glock 23. It's actually a terrific tool. Under stress it's easier to manipulate quickly for malfunction drills . Also the little bugger is a workhorse - over the course of 4 days after constant hard manipulation, throwing magazines in the dirt and constant drills I didn't have a single FTF, double-feed or stovepipe and the Glock kept pounding out JHPs as fast as I could fire. Did I mention this was a new Glock 23 - straight out of the box without any work done on it?
It's trigger could be better, but it's not that bad. Of course my friend's Jardine Custom 1911 has a much better trigger - but it's also a $2800 gun. I know the Glock performs under stress - that's why it's the first weapon I'd reach for.
I still cherish my tuned up Mk 1 Browning Hi Power, my HK USP Compact .45, my S&W M-19 .357 and other weapons - so I'm glad I don't have to choose - but that Glock is one undeniably good tool.
BeatWolf
How about i get my Bazooka and blow you all up.
Amused Observer
The $100 question is. . . will the program actually work? What if let's say you sell an account on ebay, and know the email address that the account transferred to? if the program can come up the w/ the password, you could technically hijack the account and change the password. At least until the victim realizes the password got changed, and goes through AN support to retrieve that password.
Of course, during this period, the devious "hacker" could have done who knows what to that account. . .
Of course, during this period, the devious "hacker" could have done who knows what to that account. . .
Crotalus
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The $100 question is. . . will the program actually work?
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It is much easier to use social engineering to get one's password than some program such as this.
conker
meh says no refund soo probably works but takes A LONG time
NightOwl
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How about i get my Bazooka and blow you all up.
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Grigori Sokolov
putting aside wether it works or is right or wrong:
LOL. He probably doesnt even give it to you. He says "no negative feedback allowed" also...
You would have to be of a very low intelligence to try and steal an account..
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You would have to be of a very low intelligence to try and steal an account..
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UltimaXtreme
its some shitty bruteforce program, they dont work
Sagius Truthbarron
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Da Cebuano
*Buys it and uses it on Nefastaru's account*
BOOYAA!!
BOOYAA!!
Xue Yi Liang
eBay feedback happens at the moment of sale ... not 2 weeks later when they find out it's a piece of crap
besides... positive feedback means nothing on eBay. Even buyers that are ripped off tend not to register complaints since products like that program offer no guarantees.
besides... positive feedback means nothing on eBay. Even buyers that are ripped off tend not to register complaints since products like that program offer no guarantees.
Katch
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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang
eBay feedback happens at the moment of sale ... not 2 weeks later when they find out it's a piece of crap
besides... positive feedback means nothing on eBay. Even buyers that are ripped off tend not to register complaints since products like that program offer no guarantees. |
Sagius Truthbarron
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eBay feedback happens at the moment of sale ... not 2 weeks later when they find out it's a piece of crap
besides... positive feedback means nothing on eBay. Even buyers that are ripped off tend not to register complaints since products like that program offer no guarantees. |
Artemis Bladewing
I was wondering. Even if they did get my password and e-mail adress, they would need to use brute force on my email provider (hotmail, yahoo, AOL or whatever) and I think those are secure. (or atleast I hope so)
WHY? Because if they get my GW pw and login name and change the PW, and I login and notice all I have to do is send PW to EMAIL and I have the PW and kick any online person on my acount. And You cant change the email adress of an acount easily. You need both email acounts or you have to w8 for two weeks.
WHY? Because if they get my GW pw and login name and change the PW, and I login and notice all I have to do is send PW to EMAIL and I have the PW and kick any online person on my acount. And You cant change the email adress of an acount easily. You need both email acounts or you have to w8 for two weeks.
SJG
Brute force hacking attempts tend to be rather noticeable. I'd bet your account would get locked after a certain number of failed log-in attempts.
Nisha
The Glock is also one of the more famous gun names, heavily referenced in movies and books. It's the one that's fictionally able to be stripped down and sent through a metal detector with no problems...
Alcaza Bedabra
Yah, sometimes these are just scams that try to make you enter your password on a website form, other times it's actually a keylogger program (BPK is as popular one) that logs your keystrokes and emails the results to the distributor.
And voila! (Or 'viola' if you like stringed instruments), the haxxor has your password. If he's lucky, he's also got your login email.
And voila! (Or 'viola' if you like stringed instruments), the haxxor has your password. If he's lucky, he's also got your login email.
Sayshina
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The Glock is also one of the more famous gun names, heavily referenced in movies and books. It's the one that's fictionally able to be stripped down and sent through a metal detector with no problems...
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Don't get me wrong, the weapon was designed for combat, an environment that normaly involves low levels of training, very poor maintainance, and nightmare operating conditions. This is also why so many police units are going to it, and it is very good at its job.
However, the bottom line is that every other gang banger stuffs a 9mm version down his pants and thinks it's going to get him "respect". The reason it's become so common has little to do with its combat heritage and everything to do with image. Well, image and the fact that it's stupidly easy to operate.
There are not many weapons I would recomend over the Glock to a complete novice, and most of them would be shotguns. But I'm not in the habbit of recomending any weapons to novices. The very first question I ask someone looking for advice on a weapon is "are you absolutely positive that you have the ability to kill another human being?". It amazes me how many people have never asked themselves that question.
Personaly I don't really like it, although I'm hard pressed to give a really good reason as to why. Even after fiting the Barstow barrel, the G27 I tried just didn't work for me.
I've been out of the military for more than 15 years now, but I'm unaware of a single ops team that makes use of the Glock, and I'd be surprised to hear of one. It's ok for novices, conscripts, and police, all of whom tend to have about the same level of ability. It seems to work well for competition, but then slick tyres work well on a racecar too. In the end I believe there are too many better alternatives out there.
Although I think the topic of this thread is about dead, I'm not sure we should keep going into weapons here.
Hanuman li Tosh
if you dont think hackers should be shot youre a hacker.
Xue Yi Liang
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"Fictional" being the operative word there. I actualy hadn't heard that one for a few years, so I had assumed it had died.
Don't get me wrong, the weapon was designed for combat, an environment that normaly involves low levels of training, very poor maintainance, and nightmare operating conditions. This is also why so many police units are going to it, and it is very good at its job. However, the bottom line is that every other gang banger stuffs a 9mm version down his pants and thinks it's going to get him "respect". The reason it's become so common has little to do with its combat heritage and everything to do with image. Well, image and the fact that it's stupidly easy to operate. There are not many weapons I would recomend over the Glock to a complete novice, and most of them would be shotguns. But I'm not in the habbit of recomending any weapons to novices. The very first question I ask someone looking for advice on a weapon is "are you absolutely positive that you have the ability to kill another human being?". It amazes me how many people have never asked themselves that question. Personaly I don't really like it, although I'm hard pressed to give a really good reason as to why. Even after fiting the Barstow barrel, the G27 I tried just didn't work for me. I've been out of the military for more than 15 years now, but I'm unaware of a single ops team that makes use of the Glock, and I'd be surprised to hear of one. It's ok for novices, conscripts, and police, all of whom tend to have about the same level of ability. It seems to work well for competition, but then slick tyres work well on a racecar too. In the end I believe there are too many better alternatives out there. Although I think the topic of this thread is about dead, I'm not sure we should keep going into weapons here. |
But I'm baffled by your last sentence. It's as if you'd prefer to retreat from having to defend your position. If you're going to voice an opinion in an open forum then you ought to be willing to defend it as well. That's what forums are for.
I'm making a separate post for my response in the "Off Topic and Absurd" area. See you there....
One and Two
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I still cherish my tuned up Mk 1 Browning Hi Power, my HK USP Compact .45, my S&W M-19 .357 and other weapons - so I'm glad I don't have to choose - but that Glock is one undeniably good tool.
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But glock is my second choice...strange as they're different by so much...
Warskull
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As to the OP: It's not illegal to make a program that does this, although there's a decent chance it will be soon. It IS illegal to USE it, at least as far as other peoples property is concerned.
It COULD be considered illegal today, if you could prove that it has no legitimate uses, the same way that file sharing is getting hit now. |
omegabyr
ok if your password was only letters either case the maximum amount of passwords would be something like
1.2829527115949577029702775978467e+108
possible passwords, throw in numbers:
8.3306029999439502888147660318024e+112
and then letters and symbols [ ie !@#$%^&*() ]
1.0278915010201686163983385187518e+117
its going to take more then a few hours to crack, try something like 60+ years. But it all depends on the complexity of the password
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1.2829527115949577029702775978467e+108
possible passwords, throw in numbers:
8.3306029999439502888147660318024e+112
and then letters and symbols [ ie !@#$%^&*() ]
1.0278915010201686163983385187518e+117
its going to take more then a few hours to crack, try something like 60+ years. But it all depends on the complexity of the password
..:: EDIT ::.. Fixed a typo
Dax
I dunno, anyone searching on Ebay for help on GW ....ugh fighting to try to be polite here.
Since Gw is free, I guess the worse you have to lose is your character and the email exposed. Still, as the saying goes 'a fool and thier money are soon parted'.. or something around those lines.
Then again if you (rather... stupid enough to) dowload a program to do something wrong, who knows what else it will do....mondo sadness, why bother.
Since Gw is free, I guess the worse you have to lose is your character and the email exposed. Still, as the saying goes 'a fool and thier money are soon parted'.. or something around those lines.
Then again if you (rather... stupid enough to) dowload a program to do something wrong, who knows what else it will do....mondo sadness, why bother.
EternalTempest
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Brute force hacking attempts tend to be rather noticeable. I'd bet your account would get locked after a certain number of failed log-in attempts.
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- I'm sure Anet would notice or design there system to notice 1k+ failed attempts to log in to an account. I think after a certain time it will prompt you to "please contact teach support and make sure you have your cd-key ready, may require fax copies of (key page)
Stev0
This POS and his warez have been officially booted from ebay for the time being.
Advocating/Defending hack software is pretty lame regardless of whether it works or not.
Advocating/Defending hack software is pretty lame regardless of whether it works or not.
Tactical-Dillusions
Slightly deviating from the OT but there are people ingame who are advertising their accounts for sale.
One guy in ascalon was asking for 20 ecto's and another just now in LA was asking for 150k for a clean account.
Sounds fishy to me so i just thought i'd warn about it.
One guy in ascalon was asking for 20 ecto's and another just now in LA was asking for 150k for a clean account.
Sounds fishy to me so i just thought i'd warn about it.
Deathlord
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Slightly deviating from the OT but there are people ingame who are advertising their accounts for sale.
One guy in ascalon was asking for 20 ecto's and another just now in LA was asking for 150k for a clean account. Sounds fishy to me so i just thought i'd warn about it. |
Retarded because- GW Account costs like $30 - $50 while as a scum of the earth would do, buy 100k for $10.
Oh yeah, the courts of America are too obviously cheesy now. The system is too darn stiff, it has no room for common sense. Everyone can know it's being used to hack accounts, but if theres no picture of the program being used with the login screen and program in the background, it's not provable that's what it's for. If the legal system asked the creator what it was used for, he can reply with "I want to make a notepad file that's 100 MB, but I don't want to use copy and paste."... it'd probably hold up.