How about designating one district of each town to be a "Taxed District" where entry requires a fee of 50gp - 500gp depending on the town?
The district would be essentially identical to other districts of the same town (maybe a cosmetic difference or two) but, for the people who can afford it, they're virtually assured that this district will be free of beggars and light on player trading.
Why would a beggar pay 100gp to loiter in a "taxed" district? Even if he's dumb enough to do that, nobody would believe he was that poor - so he'd quickly learn to panhandle in some other district instead.
In a "taxed" Lion's Arch there would be less trade chat - that could be a positive thing for some of us.
A taxed district would be a nice gold-sink for "wealthy" players looking to hang out in peace.
Sure, the very notion of a taxed district stinks of social class system, but so does the priviledge of wearing FoW armor.
I, for one, wouldn't mind paying 200gp to enter a Droknar's free of beggars and players complaining about them.
Taxed Districts to discourage panhandlers
Xue Yi Liang
Mark of Rodgort
I'd agree with this. Anyone who says WTS or WTB would be kicked out.
Humey
Why not just create some type of trade district or an auction house. That would be cool, and then sellers could have a place to go where they could find people that aren't bothered by them and people who might buy from them.
Charrbane
I don't mind people trading / selling stuff but the beggars and hobos who beg for sums of money are becoming more frequent than ever. 
Anyhow Id like to see an auction house for trading too.
Maybe a poor district for the hobos.
Anyhow Id like to see an auction house for trading too.
Maybe a poor district for the hobos.
Azure_Seraph
Hah. The biggest problem is the WTS/WTB spamming. Easy Fix: Make the auction system where ppl will put up items for auction under different item classes (i.e. a sword under weapon class or feathers under material class). This also eliminates ppl who have no courtesy and price gouge when they know some1 wants an item bad and is actually willing to meet the set price.(USED TO HAPPEN TO ME ALL THE TIME!!)
Xue Yi Liang
I'm not so sure about having hobo districts (ghettos?)
Why would they want to go there? How can you make them go there?
The auction house idea is not new, but I'm for it.
Filters for WTS or WTB text won't work - they'll just type "Want TS", or "WT sell/buy", or something like that.
A taxed district is the only way I can think of to avoid hobos - because you'll never get rid of them.
Why would they want to go there? How can you make them go there?
The auction house idea is not new, but I'm for it.
Filters for WTS or WTB text won't work - they'll just type "Want TS", or "WT sell/buy", or something like that.
A taxed district is the only way I can think of to avoid hobos - because you'll never get rid of them.
Racthoh
It would be worth the 100 gold to avoid them all. May sound harsh but when I see someone begging for 50 gold... they could easily earn that back in Ascalon...
AeroLion
If I wanted to sell something I knew would go for a nice chunk of change, I'd instantly go to the "rich district." If I wanted to sell something period and make as much money as possible, I'd go to the "rich district." A "rich district" would pretty much guarantee a lot of trade spam in local and trade because it would be viewed as the place where lots of people with disposable income go.
Alias_X
Agree with the above post.
Xue Yi Liang
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If I wanted to sell something I knew would go for a nice chunk of change, I'd instantly go to the "rich district." If I wanted to sell something period and make as much money as possible, I'd go to the "rich district." A "rich district" would pretty much guarantee a lot of trade spam in local and trade because it would be viewed as the place where lots of people with disposable income go.
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But these districts aren't supposed to block traders entirely - only act as a filter for most of them.
I wouldn't mind if some people want to sell in the taxed district. How could it possibly be worse than LA dist 1 today?
At the very least it'll filter out these sellers: "WTS 13 cloth and 27 plant fibers, 2 UN-IDed purple runes, 46 wood, 23 iron and Althea's Ashes - PM me."
One and Two
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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang
WTS 13 cloth and 27 plant fibers, 2 UN-IDed purple runes, 46 wood, 23 iron and Althea's Ashes - PM me.
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/signed on taxed areas
Eltargrim
/signed
Although a fee each time is a bit harsh. Maybe 100g buys you 1-2 hours of entry? I mean, if I'm questing around Lions Arch, for example, I don't want to pay 100g every time I go in to get rid of my DP, or collect a reward.
Although a fee each time is a bit harsh. Maybe 100g buys you 1-2 hours of entry? I mean, if I'm questing around Lions Arch, for example, I don't want to pay 100g every time I go in to get rid of my DP, or collect a reward.
pyrosamurai
What about a town pass? Or some kind of expensive rights to access certain places for the rich folk?
Xue Yi Liang
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Originally Posted by Eltargrim
/signed
Although a fee each time is a bit harsh. Maybe 100g buys you 1-2 hours of entry? I mean, if I'm questing around Lions Arch, for example, I don't want to pay 100g every time I go in to get rid of my DP, or collect a reward. |
Eltargrim
Ah, I see. Well then, I think that would be a great idea. Also features a minor gold sink; nobody loses!
funbun
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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang
How about designating one district of each town to be a "Taxed District" where entry requires a fee of 50gp - 500gp depending on the town?
The district would be essentially identical to other districts of the same town (maybe a cosmetic difference or two) but, for the people who can afford it, they're virtually assured that this district will be [I]free of beggars and light on player trading.[/I Why would a beggar pay 100gp to loiter in a "taxed" district? Even if he's dumb enough to do that, nobody would believe he was that poor - so he'd quickly learn to panhandle in some other district instead. In a "taxed" Lion's Arch there would be less trade chat - that could be a positive thing for some of us. A taxed district would be a nice gold-sink for "wealthy" players looking to hang out in peace. Sure, the very notion of a taxed district stinks of social class system, but so does the priviledge of wearing FoW armor. I, for one, wouldn't mind paying 200gp to enter a Droknar's free of beggars and players complaining about them. |
1. If all the rich people are hanging out in the same spot. Where do you think the beggar's will go? Your taxed districts will be nothing but beggar cess pools.
2. People don't like taxes, at least here in the USA. They won't pay them. the uber rich will just go to the regular tax free districts. Why do you think people are moving in droves to Florida here in the US? Florida has no state taxes!
3. What do miilionares do in real life when a government raises taxes? They stop working! They feel they are being punished forthier efforts so they say screw the world and the choose to siton thier wealth. When taxes arte cut they go back to work building more businesses, thus providing more jobs to the middle class and below. Thus making the economy better.
/voted down
Naprius
well i wouldnt mind paying something to be off with those WTS WTB gimme money fools.
/signed
and funbun, comparing gw to real life isn't a good idea
/signed
and funbun, comparing gw to real life isn't a good idea
funbun
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well i wouldnt mind paying something to be off with those WTS WTB gimme money fools.
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Look at how the Anet (the government) nerfed the game all summer. Remember wat happend to the economy then. It crashed. Rather it was very unstable.
But tlook at SF updates and look at how the economy has become stable again. No more stupid price jumps.
Also, people talk about supply and demand. Why are Mesmer sup rune so cheap? There is no demand for it. Why were monk rune so expesive beforethe nerf? Tons of demand. And then after the nerf prices are down becasue there isn't as much demand for mon sup runes.
Sup. absorb and sup. vigor continue to rise becasue they are in much demand. This supply and demand principle is used in the real world too. It's high school economics.
Anytime there is an economic system in place certain principles will always apply. Doesn't matter if the world is real or digital.
Naprius
yes but real rich ppl mind paying taxes coz the goverment makes them pay like half of what they own. and real money is harder to come by than GW money.
GW players can make lots of money in a small period of time and they only need to pay like 0,00001 percent of what they own to make use of the nice oppertunity of not hearing or seeing beggars and traders.
(the percentage is somewhat overexaggerated, i know)
GW players can make lots of money in a small period of time and they only need to pay like 0,00001 percent of what they own to make use of the nice oppertunity of not hearing or seeing beggars and traders.
(the percentage is somewhat overexaggerated, i know)
funbun
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Originally Posted by Naprius
yes but real rich ppl mind paying taxes coz the goverment makes them pay like half of what they own. and real money is harder to come by than GW money.
GW players can make lots of money in a small period of time and they only need to pay like 0,00001 percent of what they own to make use of the nice oppertunity of not hearing or seeing beggars and traders. (the percentage is somewhat overexaggerated, i know) |
Yes they do pay taxes in the real world. But twhen the government RAISES taxes, rich people choose not to work. They chose not to build more businesses that would supply jobs for the rest of use. The principle is when the government raises taxes it causes ppl to slack off because they fell they are being punished for their effort as opposed to being rewarded. This isn't a good analogy for GW I know but...
The taxed cities won't work because the beggars will infultrate the taxes cities. If I were a beggar I would find out where the rich ppl were and beg them for money. I'm telling you these taxes cities will be nothing more that cess pools of beggars.
A beggar would beg for the 500g in a nontaxes district. Then go into the taxed districts and proceed to beg for more once they get in!
EternalTempest
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Changed my mind, panhandling is not goint to go away, it's also in FFXI... no matter what you do.
Changed my mind, panhandling is not goint to go away, it's also in FFXI... no matter what you do.
funbun
Aren't there enough gold sinks? 15k armor.
Also a tax would do nothing but cause people to buy more gold on ebay. Which would dump more cash into the system.
My point. Whenever the government (Anet) tries to "fix"the economy, the only thing it does is cause more problems. So the government (Anet) has to come in a make more "fixes." That's exactly what happened all summer. Nerf after, nerf after, nerf until the economy crashed. They haven't nerfed anymore since SF and look at how the economy has increased and stabalized.
That's why tolerance is so important: people have free will, and some will choose to beg a lot, while others choose to earn their money. The problem is not the system, the problem is some people. And you can't change people through a system. People must change from within themselves.
The attitude is one of "entitlement." The beggars feel they are entitled to more than what tey have. and that we the rich should give them something. The person needs to chjange not the system.
Adding taxes will only cause the beggar to do more begging. Because then they would feel oppressed. The people need to change not the system.
Also a tax would do nothing but cause people to buy more gold on ebay. Which would dump more cash into the system.
My point. Whenever the government (Anet) tries to "fix"the economy, the only thing it does is cause more problems. So the government (Anet) has to come in a make more "fixes." That's exactly what happened all summer. Nerf after, nerf after, nerf until the economy crashed. They haven't nerfed anymore since SF and look at how the economy has increased and stabalized.
That's why tolerance is so important: people have free will, and some will choose to beg a lot, while others choose to earn their money. The problem is not the system, the problem is some people. And you can't change people through a system. People must change from within themselves.
The attitude is one of "entitlement." The beggars feel they are entitled to more than what tey have. and that we the rich should give them something. The person needs to chjange not the system.
Adding taxes will only cause the beggar to do more begging. Because then they would feel oppressed. The people need to change not the system.
John Waffletord
Uh, what is the trade tab for? Sure not everyone uses it, but a lot of them do.
If you want an empty dist goto international districts.
I think this idea is completely useless. It solves only half of the problem (the WTS/WTB people)
The rest of the problem is that there is a NEED to sell things to players. They need a items trader that gives you a set amount for each weapon you have. It doesnt need to be fancy, it doesnt even need to be a lot. Then people can also buy these items too.
Then, there should be districts just meant for trading, and the non-trade districts should not have trade tabs.
Nothing would stop people from going into the taxed districts and trying to sell things. I'd do it just to piss people off.
There are plenty of areas that arent visited often that you can go and hang out in if you feel the need. I still dont understand why you'd want to hang out in a game though.
/not signed
If you want an empty dist goto international districts.
I think this idea is completely useless. It solves only half of the problem (the WTS/WTB people)
The rest of the problem is that there is a NEED to sell things to players. They need a items trader that gives you a set amount for each weapon you have. It doesnt need to be fancy, it doesnt even need to be a lot. Then people can also buy these items too.
Then, there should be districts just meant for trading, and the non-trade districts should not have trade tabs.
Nothing would stop people from going into the taxed districts and trying to sell things. I'd do it just to piss people off.
There are plenty of areas that arent visited often that you can go and hang out in if you feel the need. I still dont understand why you'd want to hang out in a game though.
/not signed
EternalTempest
I would be happy that has the term WTS / WTB and keep up to date with the replacement terms for WTS / WEB that auto shifts it to the trade channel to cut down it in the all chat.
funbun
I say put up a trade system similar to Eve online's Marketplace. A serachable system where you can find whatever weapon, rune or whatever and you can buy/sell whether you are there or not.
A trade system would allow the beggar's to post for donations. Thus elliminating them from flaming the chat channells with their begiing. It would save them time. They could beg without begging, in a sense.
The trade system would serve everyone rich and poor. Because buyers would be able to post what they want to buy just as easily as theywould sell.
How about that? Really I want to know what you think.
A trade system would allow the beggar's to post for donations. Thus elliminating them from flaming the chat channells with their begiing. It would save them time. They could beg without begging, in a sense.
The trade system would serve everyone rich and poor. Because buyers would be able to post what they want to buy just as easily as theywould sell.
How about that? Really I want to know what you think.
Saner the Stoner
I would go there to beg.
I would hang around Ascalon and beat the early monsters, get my 100 - 500G and then go there to beg, because I know you are all rich.
Seriously though, I wouldnt do that, but you can bet a lot of people would.
I would hang around Ascalon and beat the early monsters, get my 100 - 500G and then go there to beg, because I know you are all rich.
Seriously though, I wouldnt do that, but you can bet a lot of people would.
ayb
for pandhandlers: ignore them. they only beg because there are people that encourage the behavior by giving them money. these are the people you should really be mad at.
for price gouging: /cryaboutit - the term "price gouging" only applies to essential items, and i seriously doubt someone in lion's arch was selling d batteries and bottled water. when it comes to luxury items (aka ANYTHING you're going to buy in-game), the price is as high or as low as the buyer is willing to pay.
for spamming: personally i'd like to see anet code in a feature that dings you every time you set off the "message supprssed due to too many prior messages" (or however that's worded) and if you reach x amount of dings in a set timespan your account is suspended for 1 day, 1 week, etc.
for chat overload in general: turn off !Local when you're buying/selling, turn off $Trade when you're not.
for price gouging: /cryaboutit - the term "price gouging" only applies to essential items, and i seriously doubt someone in lion's arch was selling d batteries and bottled water. when it comes to luxury items (aka ANYTHING you're going to buy in-game), the price is as high or as low as the buyer is willing to pay.
for spamming: personally i'd like to see anet code in a feature that dings you every time you set off the "message supprssed due to too many prior messages" (or however that's worded) and if you reach x amount of dings in a set timespan your account is suspended for 1 day, 1 week, etc.
for chat overload in general: turn off !Local when you're buying/selling, turn off $Trade when you're not.
Deathlord
Don't hang out in towns if you don't have anything worthwhile to do during the time. If you really enjoy hanging out in towns that much but don't want the annoyance of WTB or WTS or "Gimme mony plz!1!1!!" then turn off all chat features. I've learned that hanging out in towns is usually a waste of time that can be used for better purposes. If you're desperately searching for a weapon, then post a AD on a forum. It might cost more, but I highly doubt you'd rather stay in town for two hours each day to get it for 5k cheaper.
Basically, if you love towns that much, then
/signed
but if you can't really figure out a reason why you even stay in towns much then I suggest you reconsider how you spend your time.
Also, a very important reason has already been stated. The tax districts don't cost much, and if the rich people do go there, then so will the merchants who want to rip off the rich and beggers who want their money.
Beggers = Stupid, end of story.
Money is not hard to get, but that doesn't mean I'll hand them away so don't ask. Those who do beg tend to get little to nothing, therefore wasting tons of time they could've been earning money. If it's impossible for you to ignore beggers, you can always just disable regular chat.
Basically, if you love towns that much, then
/signed
but if you can't really figure out a reason why you even stay in towns much then I suggest you reconsider how you spend your time.
Also, a very important reason has already been stated. The tax districts don't cost much, and if the rich people do go there, then so will the merchants who want to rip off the rich and beggers who want their money.
Beggers = Stupid, end of story.
Money is not hard to get, but that doesn't mean I'll hand them away so don't ask. Those who do beg tend to get little to nothing, therefore wasting tons of time they could've been earning money. If it's impossible for you to ignore beggers, you can always just disable regular chat.
Mavrik
thats why when I map somewhere, I pick the district with the highest number (where possible) and have the Trade channel turned off...
/signed
I'd pay for a peaceful location.
/signed
I'd pay for a peaceful location.
funbun
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thats why when I map somewhere, I pick the district with the highest number (where possible) and have the Trade channel turned off...
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Sounds like you already have a solution. And it seems that you've already have peaceful locations. Why add the tax?
Changing the system will not change the person. You could tax all day but begars will still beg.
The best thing to do is to add a trade system like Eve-online. So that people can post stuff for sale or ask for donations over an auction system instead of flaming the trade channels.
ImBobNewbie
/pointless 
If you just cant stand the masses of beggars and traders:
1. Go to an international dist
2. turn off all ur chat logs
And there you go..you're happy being isolated.
Although I mainly just do tombs now, I don't see why people complain so much about traders etc. in large cities.
If you just cant stand the masses of beggars and traders:
1. Go to an international dist
2. turn off all ur chat logs
And there you go..you're happy being isolated.
Although I mainly just do tombs now, I don't see why people complain so much about traders etc. in large cities.
Mr Wolfmaster
Um...last district of lions arch isn't usually very populated...go there...Or just turn of all chat boxes....Or go to your guild hall...or a million other things you could do...Besides I know I wouldn't want to hang out in a district with a bunch of stuffy rich guild wars players. That would be wrose than the traders lol!
Lews
I asked for 15 gold once, just for the hell of it. ( I have 300k in my storage, and 3 complete sets of various fissure armor ) and some kind person gave me 2k. I was like 'actually I just wanted this for some ID kit.... you can have the money back, lol' and they were all 'no, its cool. i'm rich'
So yeah.... I felt good....
So yeah.... I felt good....