The most disappointing thing about GW is not the game itself. I have finished most of the PvE campaign with the exception of UW and FOW, and recently tried some PvP, both in the 4 X 4 random arenas and the team arenas. While I find the economy in the game and trading system lacking, the game itself is great. It’s the community that sucks IMO.
I thought is was bad in the PvE part of the game with the whiners, rudeness, and people insisting of getting the “perfect group“ for a mission. God, you spend more time finding a group than playing. But PvP is even worse. It really is unbelievable. When you first start PvP, you’re pretty much a newb all over again, and subject to the usual bullshit with the “ Stupid noob!” freakin faggot! Etc etc. And that I can put up with, but the thing that annoys me the most are that people are just such big babies and take the game WAY to seriously! This game is supposed to be played for fun. Not like your life depended on it.
I’m new to this genre, with the exception of Asherons Call 2 which I played for a couple of months prior to GW. While that game had it’s share of problems, (and in the process of being shut down), it had a very supportive close knit community. Most of the people playing that game were friendly intelligent gamers and played the game to enjoy it. People actually went out of their way to help out a new player.
In GW, if you have a question on gameplay, don’t bother asking anyone in-game, as you’re most likely to get either no response at all or “STFU noob!” You have to rely on guild mates or the forums to get any info. Thank God for this forum. At least people here will take the time to answer questions. Other than this and a couple other GW forums, it’s the only place I’ve found intelligent people, which is pretty sad.
As bad as I feel to say this, I for one would rather pay a monthly fee, and weed out a lot of the idiots playing now.
Should we pay for GW?
fezz47
ttujc
paying will not keep out the idiots...
Dakota Collins
/signed.
agreed.
agreed.
Akimb0
you've n00bed yourself...deal with it. GW isnt good enough to be worth paying for.
Veripare
This will get locked seeing as this has been discussed over and over and over again, only to end up in flames and people crying T_T
Maika Boila Radovu
Weird I like the game and havent found any real mean people. Most are willing to help answer questions, give new players some start up gold/items, run ppl to different locations. I really havent noticed any of the problems you have.
mortalis doleo
i think it depends on the kind of server (american/european/korean), and i wont say anymore 
Shwitz
I agree that the greater portion of the general GW community consists of childish l33t speakers, but a pay-per-month fee is not the answer. There really is no way from keeping that kind of people from playing the game. Furthermore, its not in ArenaNet's best interest to discourage certain people from buying the game. A gamer who doesn't want to deal with the general GW community just has to play with people he/she knows, form a guild with people he/she likes, and when all else fails, take matters into his or her own hands and form pick-up groups selectively with a few PC's and henchmen. As for PvP, turn off community chat in arena districts and game with guildies...
Tactical-Dillusions
Children (and indeed immature adults) exist in all online games...it's a sad fact. Best we can do is try to ignore them.
Failing that, you can report anyone who you know are in breach of their End User License Agreement. Guild Wars support don't expect anyone to take the shite that people spew out into the game.
You have a right as a player to enjoy your gaming experience. Don't let them drag you down the pan.
Failing that, you can report anyone who you know are in breach of their End User License Agreement. Guild Wars support don't expect anyone to take the shite that people spew out into the game.
You have a right as a player to enjoy your gaming experience. Don't let them drag you down the pan.
LifeInfusion
agreed. Its the people. In beta it ROCKED. Now it is just above average...
fezz47
I"m not talking about so much about mean people, I'm talking about people that show no respect for other players. I could care less if someone is "mean" to me.
As an example, in the random arena, you start out with 4 people and do a PvP "mission". The problem is, if you start the mission and one of your teamates dies, half the time, at least one of the remaining people on your team will just "drop out" of the game thinking they can't win, so why bother? This leaves you and whatever teamates still there at a huge disadvantage.
I'll always keep playing even if I'm the only member still in the match. It's good experience and you learn as much, if not more by losing, than by winning a lot of the time. Then you get the blame game. Someone dies. "REZ ME!". Now, if no one does.
"WTF? Freakin noob! Idiot!"
It's like a 3 yr old being denied their bottle of moo moo. Wah wah!
As far as helping out newer players, I have done that myself. A couple of weeks ago, I went to Ascalon and started giving away some fur squares, and other assorted items to people just to be a nice guy. And I swear, approx. half of the people I "gave" stuff to didn't even bother to thank me. So long sucker lol.
I don't know. Guess I'm just burned out on the game. I don't mean to sound negative about the game in gen, cause I've certainly gotten my moneys worth and more, and have a lot of fun chatting w/guildies. Just wish some of these people would grow up a bit and have a little more fun with the game.
As an example, in the random arena, you start out with 4 people and do a PvP "mission". The problem is, if you start the mission and one of your teamates dies, half the time, at least one of the remaining people on your team will just "drop out" of the game thinking they can't win, so why bother? This leaves you and whatever teamates still there at a huge disadvantage.
I'll always keep playing even if I'm the only member still in the match. It's good experience and you learn as much, if not more by losing, than by winning a lot of the time. Then you get the blame game. Someone dies. "REZ ME!". Now, if no one does.
"WTF? Freakin noob! Idiot!"
It's like a 3 yr old being denied their bottle of moo moo. Wah wah!
As far as helping out newer players, I have done that myself. A couple of weeks ago, I went to Ascalon and started giving away some fur squares, and other assorted items to people just to be a nice guy. And I swear, approx. half of the people I "gave" stuff to didn't even bother to thank me. So long sucker lol.
I don't know. Guess I'm just burned out on the game. I don't mean to sound negative about the game in gen, cause I've certainly gotten my moneys worth and more, and have a lot of fun chatting w/guildies. Just wish some of these people would grow up a bit and have a little more fun with the game.
Charcoal Ann
no monthly fee! don't give ANet ideas.... *looks hurredly around room and tries to hide thread*
Phrozenflame
I dunno, I've had v. little bad experience, I just ask something, ppl either reply to me there or wisper me the reply..so I dont find it bad...and if someone is in need, even I reply to them and tell them what they needed to know.
If you help someone, that person will take it as an impression from you and will others..thats the way to make community btr.
If you help someone, that person will take it as an impression from you and will others..thats the way to make community btr.
Nick Hexon
I bought the game to play a MMORPG for free. If i wanted to pay for a game monthly I would have bought World of Warcraft.
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I bought the game to play a MMORPG for free. If i wanted to pay for a game monthly I would have bought World of Warcraft.
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You don't like the immature people? Turn off local/trade chats. Or go on during the day or late at night when the kiddies are asleep. I see a huge difference in the crowd since I sign on around 9 PM...when i sign on earlier it can get really immature.
OverlordTyrael
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The most disappointing thing about GW is not the game itself. I have finished most of the PvE campaign with the exception of UW and FOW, and recently tried some PvP, both in the 4 X 4 random arenas and the team arenas. While I find the economy in the game and trading system lacking, the game itself is great. It’s the community that sucks IMO.
I thought is was bad in the PvE part of the game with the whiners, rudeness, and people insisting of getting the “perfect group“ for a mission. God, you spend more time finding a group than playing. But PvP is even worse. It really is unbelievable. When you first start PvP, you’re pretty much a newb all over again, and subject to the usual bullshit with the “ Stupid noob!” freakin faggot! Etc etc. And that I can put up with, but the thing that annoys me the most are that people are just such big babies and take the game WAY to seriously! This game is supposed to be played for fun. Not like your life depended on it. I’m new to this genre, with the exception of Asherons Call 2 which I played for a couple of months prior to GW. While that game had it’s share of problems, (and in the process of being shut down), it had a very supportive close knit community. Most of the people playing that game were friendly intelligent gamers and played the game to enjoy it. People actually went out of their way to help out a new player. In GW, if you have a question on gameplay, don’t bother asking anyone in-game, as you’re most likely to get either no response at all or “STFU noob!” You have to rely on guild mates or the forums to get any info. Thank God for this forum. At least people here will take the time to answer questions. Other than this and a couple other GW forums, it’s the only place I’ve found intelligent people, which is pretty sad. As bad as I feel to say this, I for one would rather pay a monthly fee, and weed out a lot of the idiots playing now. |
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you've n00bed yourself...deal with it. GW isnt good enough to be worth paying for.
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Whoa now. Talk, but no walk. Can't back up what you're saying eh?
Anyways, Anet wanted people to play without having to pay a monthly fee, so that people can enjoy. Dealing with all annoying people and what not is just how it in real life too.
I feel that if you had to pay for GW, you would NOT weed out "idiots." For I feel that more smug and snotty people who can afford things more than others, are more idiotic. Whever you go, there WILL be idiots. Until we all mature.
Kai Nui
Hell no. I paid 50 bucks so I didn't pay monthly. The game I was playing prior was 5 bucks a month and I played it for more than 10 months, so this game is better. Monthly fees will not keep idiots out, it will just force them to pay to play. I think you should be ashamed for suggesting this, seriously.
Ultimate_Gaara
Look at wow, it has fees and is has more immature morons than GW could ever cook up... fees stop nothing, little kids don't care if its not their money
A NERD1989
i dont fully understand but if you need help join a guild with 50+ members
Axle_Fieshe
if there was a monthly fee i'd sell my account straight away, only reason i got GW was cos of the no-monthly cost
Xue Yi Liang
Welcome to the wild west that is online RPG.
Juvenile behavior is rampant regardless of what you play. WoW has a monthly fee but it's much much worse.
If you can find a guild with people who think like yourself (yes, it IS possible) then see about joining. It makes the whole experience more palatable.
So I don't believe a monthly fee is the answer. Besides, there are many nice casual players in GW who wouldn't have purchased it if there was a monthly fee. A monthly fee would make some folks, like myself, feel obligated to be online 24/7 to get our money's worth .... or to quit playing altogether. Implimenting a fee now would only drive many decent and good-natured players away.
Juvenile behavior is rampant regardless of what you play. WoW has a monthly fee but it's much much worse.
If you can find a guild with people who think like yourself (yes, it IS possible) then see about joining. It makes the whole experience more palatable.
So I don't believe a monthly fee is the answer. Besides, there are many nice casual players in GW who wouldn't have purchased it if there was a monthly fee. A monthly fee would make some folks, like myself, feel obligated to be online 24/7 to get our money's worth .... or to quit playing altogether. Implimenting a fee now would only drive many decent and good-natured players away.
kevinj
I love this game, im nice to all others who play, and i have never done anything to make anyone else mad. If guild wars had a fee though, i wouldnt play it.
Xue Yi Liang is right, it would drive away a lot of people who are curtious gamers.
Xue Yi Liang is right, it would drive away a lot of people who are curtious gamers.
heist23
sometimes i just head to the major towns just to help people out. i can't exactly give away gold, since i'm pretty much always low, but there's always someone who doesn't know where the Competition Arena entrance in LA is, or who doesn't know something else. i've met people on both sides of the spectrum, but most of the people i've interacted with are the nice types-or the totally silent types.
turning this game into a monthly-fee game would kill about half of the playerbase, but it wouldn't weed out the fools, idiots, self-contained elitists, "n00bs", and the other annoying players.
turning this game into a monthly-fee game would kill about half of the playerbase, but it wouldn't weed out the fools, idiots, self-contained elitists, "n00bs", and the other annoying players.
fezz47
You know, like I said, I think I've just burned out a bit on the game, but once I got playing some PvP I thought it might be different as far as the player mentality goes. Once I got to Droknars in the PvE campaign, it seemed people did take the game more seriously as far as teamwork and what not was concerned, so I guess I was just hoping that by playing level 20 PvP it would apply to that as well. It didn't, but I shouldn't have expected it to really.
As far as paying to play, I admit it probably wouldn't make much of a difference and was a mistake on my part. Having only one other game to compare it too, I wasn't aware that this kind of behavior was the norm for all games in this genre. Perhaps I do need to join a larger guild or just take a few weeks off.
Anyway, I appreciate all the replies.
As far as paying to play, I admit it probably wouldn't make much of a difference and was a mistake on my part. Having only one other game to compare it too, I wasn't aware that this kind of behavior was the norm for all games in this genre. Perhaps I do need to join a larger guild or just take a few weeks off.
Anyway, I appreciate all the replies.
Jakerius
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Even in p2p (pay to play) games like WoW, AO, and EQ, you get plenty of disrespectful, immature people. You can't get rid of them, so just ignore them, or quit.
Bingley Joe
We always have a choice in how to react to something another person does.
If somone does something, and our reaction is to become angry or annoyed.. well, then that's the choice we've made. We could have just as easily chosen to laugh, or raise an eyebrow, or simply ignore it completely and move on.
If somone does something, and our reaction is to become angry or annoyed.. well, then that's the choice we've made. We could have just as easily chosen to laugh, or raise an eyebrow, or simply ignore it completely and move on.
RamTheSneak
I really think that it WOULD keep some of the idiots out. Having said that, I haven't seen any "idiots" in the game so far. I have never been truly bothered, and newbs are just something to deal with. Remember, you were a newb once too. Making GW a thing to pay for makes it too much like WoW. Guild Wars is a great game that should NOT be paid for. It gives people the freedom of playing the game. Think about it. Does it really seem fair that you pay $50 for a game that is ONLY online play, and to play that game you have to pay $15 a month? Very lame. Either pay every month for a game you can only play online, or not play this game you really want. Pointless. A lot of the people that like playing and are willing to pay don't have a Credit Card or Debit Card to pay for the game, or can't get their parents to pay even if the kids are willing to reinburst their parents.
Jaythen Tyradel
Choice A:
Play GW and ignore rude and obnoxious players, etc, etc... and not loose money over it.
Choice B:
PLay a game paying each month to keep playing AND having to deal with rude players, greifers, player killers, loot stealers, juvenile main chat conversations, and likewise.
Play GW and ignore rude and obnoxious players, etc, etc... and not loose money over it.
Choice B:
PLay a game paying each month to keep playing AND having to deal with rude players, greifers, player killers, loot stealers, juvenile main chat conversations, and likewise.
romO
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no monthly fee! don't give ANet ideas.... *looks hurredly around room and tries to hide thread*
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coolsti
Hey fezz47,
you can still have a lot of fun with the game if you change your attitude a bit to all the idiots out there. First thing to remember is that there are also a lot of good players, and it does take a little luck and maybe time to find them. But when you do, its a lot of fun.
Not much you can do about the idiot players except laugh at them. There are the egoists, the perfectionists, the "I am better than you all because I have a higher level and am wearing Droknars armor" types, the types that go AFK to eat in the middle of a mission, the types that suddenly leave a mission because they need to go to bed, the types that expect anyone with monk as primary or secondary to personally heal them while they charge ahead into the middle of a mob with no concept of the tactic of luring, etc., etc. etc. I meet these all the time, and I either just ignore them, or play around with them. Like, if I am playing a character with healing and/or resurrection, I just will start to refuse to heal/res anyone that acts rudely or plays stupidly (like, charges ahead into the next monster group without waiting for support to regen or catch up).
Another thing I do is I try to be the leader of any PVE group, and if I already see that a party member is beginning to act up, I kick him (oh, so and so had to leave the group guys, so lets find another ... ). I'm not a leaver, and will try to stick out any mission or quest to the end, but in some rare cases where several of the party are really annoying, I explain to the group that I am leaving and why I am leaving. Either that, or I just don't aid the annoying ones at all and hope they all die!
So just ignore them, tease them, take revenge on them, whatever, but just have fun with the game!
you can still have a lot of fun with the game if you change your attitude a bit to all the idiots out there. First thing to remember is that there are also a lot of good players, and it does take a little luck and maybe time to find them. But when you do, its a lot of fun.
Not much you can do about the idiot players except laugh at them. There are the egoists, the perfectionists, the "I am better than you all because I have a higher level and am wearing Droknars armor" types, the types that go AFK to eat in the middle of a mission, the types that suddenly leave a mission because they need to go to bed, the types that expect anyone with monk as primary or secondary to personally heal them while they charge ahead into the middle of a mob with no concept of the tactic of luring, etc., etc. etc. I meet these all the time, and I either just ignore them, or play around with them. Like, if I am playing a character with healing and/or resurrection, I just will start to refuse to heal/res anyone that acts rudely or plays stupidly (like, charges ahead into the next monster group without waiting for support to regen or catch up).
Another thing I do is I try to be the leader of any PVE group, and if I already see that a party member is beginning to act up, I kick him (oh, so and so had to leave the group guys, so lets find another ... ). I'm not a leaver, and will try to stick out any mission or quest to the end, but in some rare cases where several of the party are really annoying, I explain to the group that I am leaving and why I am leaving. Either that, or I just don't aid the annoying ones at all and hope they all die!
So just ignore them, tease them, take revenge on them, whatever, but just have fun with the game!
Alone)
^^^^^^
I like coolsti's style.
I do the same thing when I make groups. Don't like 'em, kick them. If they decide to bitch to me, I just give them a smile and say sorry. I mis-clicked. Setting examples to other people can stop the idiocy.
STOP THE IDIOCY. CURE THE PLAGUE. Set an example! One bitch at a time!
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/sort of sarcasm.
I like coolsti's style.
I do the same thing when I make groups. Don't like 'em, kick them. If they decide to bitch to me, I just give them a smile and say sorry. I mis-clicked. Setting examples to other people can stop the idiocy.
STOP THE IDIOCY. CURE THE PLAGUE. Set an example! One bitch at a time!
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/sort of sarcasm.
Balrog1978
Dude I play in the american servers, and except for a few chidings(i was asking WAYY to high for my dye, some other noob advised me to put that offer), Im yet to come across any such sad sack!!! 
Ppl are generally nice, although compared to Asian MMORPGs, they tend not to get very buddy like..
Still, they're helpful and till now ive NEVER had a query (in-game)thats gone unanswered.
Salute!
Balrog
Ppl are generally nice, although compared to Asian MMORPGs, they tend not to get very buddy like..Still, they're helpful and till now ive NEVER had a query (in-game)thats gone unanswered.
Salute!
Balrog
coolsti
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I like PvP, and I like PvE BOTH. But I prefer PvE. Why? Cause the a$$holes that populate PvP are way over the top anymore. so I let them have their little turf, and leave them to compare, c0ck sizes on their own.
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Oh and one last thing. remember. the average age of some of these so called twits is like 15 at best... Heck I'm 33, and its hard as h3ll to find players around my age.
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Numa Pompilius
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While I find the economy in the game and trading system lacking, the game itself is great. It’s the community that sucks IMO.
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GW's problem is that it inherited the battle.net crowd from DiabloII, through no fault of the game itself, just as WoW's problem is that it inherited the warcraft crowd.
Yukito Kunisaki
The moment this game becomes p2p [which will never happen thank God], you're not going to weed out the idiots...
Instead, there'll be about 3x more idiots than mature gamers because the mature people with wives, husbands, kids, jobs, and better things in life, will LEAVE and then you're stuck with these 15 yr. old morons who've got nothing smart to do with their money...
Me and my guild would easily disappear from this game simply due to the fact that we play this casually... [not 24/7 like these p2p wannabes who want to p2p because they have the idiocy to do so...]
I've got better things to do with my money and this game lets me do that.
Instead, there'll be about 3x more idiots than mature gamers because the mature people with wives, husbands, kids, jobs, and better things in life, will LEAVE and then you're stuck with these 15 yr. old morons who've got nothing smart to do with their money...
Me and my guild would easily disappear from this game simply due to the fact that we play this casually... [not 24/7 like these p2p wannabes who want to p2p because they have the idiocy to do so...]
I've got better things to do with my money and this game lets me do that.
Gustav Gloomp
/signed
this WILL remove those little kids that swear and think they know what theyre doing.
ive played world of warcraft and havent come across a single person that has swore at anyone bcoz of how a battle went or blaming someone on why they lost or anything like that. i hope they make guild wars p2p.
this WILL remove those little kids that swear and think they know what theyre doing.
ive played world of warcraft and havent come across a single person that has swore at anyone bcoz of how a battle went or blaming someone on why they lost or anything like that. i hope they make guild wars p2p.
Naprius
i dont want to pay for WoW and EverQuest and stuff, so why would i want to pay here?
i've often thought about starting to play those other games coz they look and sound really cool but the monthly fee fcks it up for me. pay like 20 euros per month just to play a stupid game??? hell no... ive got enough to pay for my internet connection.
i think guild war is THE game just becoz they let us play without a fee (ander other stuff that isnt important here)
i've often thought about starting to play those other games coz they look and sound really cool but the monthly fee fcks it up for me. pay like 20 euros per month just to play a stupid game??? hell no... ive got enough to pay for my internet connection.
i think guild war is THE game just becoz they let us play without a fee (ander other stuff that isnt important here)
Blu Vein
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Heck I'm 33, and its hard as h3ll to find players around my age. why? well basically cause we have lives on the outside, and only play every once in a while...
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Like I have said several other types on this forum. Real fun in the game comes from a group of people just out there having fun with it and having laughs along the way!