Soon the monks will be standing around LFG!! LFG!!!

Zhou Feng

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

CATS

Mo/Me

26 Sep 2005 at 20:01 - 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by boxterduke
U see lots of Monks but prolly most of them stop playing a monk because of the bitching they get when someone dies.

On a side notes anet has to do something about the monk issue. Most of them are nice but you get the same number that are arrogant and rude.

Yesterday trying to get to fow, we finally get a monk and I ask him/her if they are healers so they answered and I quote: "if you ask me again then I will leave the group"

I told him f yourself and kicked him from the group.

Some people abuse the power that was given to them and I have no patience for that. I pay the 1k for fow without asking but as soon as some monk comes in and says I do not need to pay for fow, you know what will happen next. They will get the boot from me.
Just look for Zhou Feng hes an excellent healer :P

Most people start out with Monks because well they are indeed a popular class. In PvE its all swell you can heal or protect almost uninhibited, freely... but once they try out PvP and become the target of choice of many teams. And suffer the annoying deaths that befalls a monk in a bad/crappy/non organized team, and suffer the consequences that befits a bad monk with energy management, team members dying, insults and blah blah most people give up the mantle.

Me I just practiced healing in PvE. Then went to arenas. Then slowly gained my wisdom and experience from there. Currently I can play pure healer, pure protection, arena healer/prot hybrid, arena pure healer, arena pure prot. Oh and unless you are a Mo/W or any hardy Mo/? combination (Mo/E with line in earth comes to mind) A monk smiter is not a viable option and a waste of resources.

Zhou Feng

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

CATS

Mo/Me

26 Sep 2005 at 20:08 - 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann
to be a good monk you need to find massive enjoyment in seeing long bars of bright red. very few people have this... quirk. the people who don't tend to get bored. personally i tend to get a bit bored in a really good group. not all that much thinking involved. bad groups are waaay more fun.

monk is not easy for most. many simply don't have the mentality. sure it is easy until after the desert but then you need to start thinking. and i never, not once, attacked anything when i did Thunderhead keep. i didn't notice how long i'd been in the fort. all there was was the little red bars.
Most hilarious post Ive read on monks... heh heh made me laugh. But so so true. All you tend to see are the red health bars.... however sticking to seeing red health bars is counter productive in PvP. You must also have slef awareness of your environment. So a good monk manages his view sight on environment and party health bars. While managing proper energy management, proper dodging techniques and knowing when to heal at the correct moment lest that member falls to yet another spike.

Wosco

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

Clemson

Me/

26 Sep 2005 at 20:24 - 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by boxterduke
On a side notes anet has to do something about the monk issue. Most of them are nice but you get the same number that are arrogant and rude.
What do you suggest anet does to arrogant and rude monks?

Quote:
Originally Posted by boxterduke
I told him f yourself and kicked him from the group.
Why is your profession allowed to act like this but not monks?

Tmm Ryan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Plkn

26 Sep 2005 at 20:29 - 44
Been waiting for this moment. Im Not saying the monks make the party, but i am saying that they make the party a party.

and yea it think everyone has a monk in there character slots?

prowler

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Gutts ANd Glory [GaG]

E/Me

26 Sep 2005 at 20:32 - 45
actually i've been noticing (in the later levels) that there is a shortage of elementist. things are looking good for us eles

TGgold

TGgold

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Flying Gophers

Rt/P

26 Sep 2005 at 20:34 - 46
It's not his profession, it's his character and moral standings that make him act like that. I'd assume he does it with anyone like that.

Anyways, I love playing my monk, and I'm recently gone full protect because I love it. I'm a bit strange though, I use power block for energy (I don't have any better skills for him right now...and I'm damn good at interrupting since my primary is a mesmer). Anyways, there's a lot of time people don't want a prot monk and if baffles me. They're like "Need 2 Healing Monks" and I was was rejected for being protect....wierd. Personall I like having a Primary Healer, primary protector, then a support healer. I always call for these roles instead of "Healing/Protect Monk" because I find some classes to be useful in their own way <3

Also, people stop monks once they can't solo anymore. I've seen it happen a lot, like in LA I noticed a big drop in monks from say, ascalon.

Pandora's box

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

26 Sep 2005 at 21:37 - 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhou Feng

Me I just practiced healing in PvE. Then went to arenas. Then slowly gained my wisdom and experience from there. Currently I can play pure healer, pure protection, arena healer/prot hybrid, arena pure healer, arena pure prot. Oh and unless you are a Mo/W or any hardy Mo/? combination (Mo/E with line in earth comes to mind) A monk smiter is not a viable option and a waste of resources.
Yes! Thats the great thing about monks: they can play so many roles. I would advice you to change 2nd profession once you have enough skillpoints: It really adds much to your gameplay to try differend builds, including smiting monks

Cartoonhero

Cartoonhero

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sooner Nation

Mo/

26 Sep 2005 at 22:05 - 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by wsmcasey
I was playing my warrior thru the last mission yesterday so I could cap "Hundred Blades" and about half way thru the mission we had a hard fight with a mob, after the fight our monk made this comment: "You guys can thank me now for saving your asses!". Of course some of the brown nosers in the group started kissing his butt right away, so I commented: "How about some love for the warrior?"....silence "no love for me". I said that you might be healing, but I'm tanking lvl 28 monsters solo, and if I die then they're just gonna kill you, so why should you get special treatment or respect over any other member in our party. The monk just laughed at me (at least he didn't leave), most monks don't like it when you talk back to them and they usually threaten to leave your group unless you shut up or start brown nosing also.
i feel ya on that one. warriors get no love, but i know most parties would be dead without them. i also have an e/mo, and even with her healing skills, she takes damage way to fast. so NOT a tank. I also have a monk at yaks right now, and i plan on being pure heal/protect, and dont worry, i wont be an arrogant jerk. just dont bite my head off if i cant keep 7 other people alive in a huge mob.

i dont understand when people try and alter the job a class was ment to do, like the other day when i saw a ele with a bow...sure its good for pulling, but he never nuked a single enemy, nor did he do anything slightly elementialist. and get this..his secondary wasnt a ranger...wtf.

I've also noticed a shortage in eles latley, as i get into parties with my emo fairly quickly. tis quite nice. now if only there'd be a shortage of tanks..lol.

Sanji

Sanji

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

26 Sep 2005 at 23:22 - 49
I've had plenty of successful parties, PvE or otherwise, that didn't have Warriors. I'll leave whether it is in spite of not having Warriors or because of not having any Warriors up to you.

lg5000

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

26 Sep 2005 at 23:35 - 50
I got my monk because... I felt like taking a more pacifist position, something about my personality attracted me to monks.

Sure, at the beginning you have to smite/heal rather than go straight healer, but, after a while, you get all the spells to go straight heal (and that was scary as hell, having no offensive skill on my bar)

Admitedly, I did the whole game with my boyfriend's ranger, he'd start a group which already had a monk (me) in it. Consequently, I didn't bother trying to read maps but blindly followed the group, concentrating on lifebars instead of the actual fight. (since then, I've learned to use a map and have learned that running is a good thing sometimes).

But, I didn't choose to become a monk for a popularity contest. Nor did I start my mesmer for that.

These days, having finished all the missions with both chars, I take my pick on what I feel like, being annoying and seeing the fight (and scenery) or helping the team by healing them.

As for not healing someone... I've done that once... decided if that guy aggros 1 more mob... he's not getting healed.. then hit 'heal party' because the rest of the team was in trouble.. so yeah, I'll heal all and everyone and feel guilty as hell if someone dies.

And yes, I will ask any monk joining my group what they do, heal, prot or smite.. just so I know how to change my skill bar or what henchie to drag along. It makes sense, it also makes sense to ask your ele what he/she is instead of blindly assuming that they are a pyromancer, or asking your necro what they do, instead of assuming they're a minion master.

If I know what my team does/does not do, it's easier to adjust a strategy, and as a healer, I want to know who tanks so I can focus on them at the beginning of battle.

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

27 Sep 2005 at 00:16 - 51
The majority of monks are idiots; keep in mind I play and love being a monk. You can tell you're a decent monk when you complete hell's precipice or other late-in-the-game missions with only a smiter/healer hybrid assit healing by spamming other/breeze/party. >.>

Last night I took a group of 7, including myself, through Hell's with another Mo/Me who thought they were a primary Me. The majority of the time I solo healed with random spurts of breeze or other to top a player off. o.O

Players who pretend to be healers give monks in general a bad name. Most people quit their monks before Maguuma, and most of the ones who don't are horrid anyway. >.> Sometimes I just don't know what people are thinking when they try and play a monk; those times make me glad my Monk has 69 energy to spam with and proper energy management.

lg5000

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

27 Sep 2005 at 00:50 - 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken
The majority of monks are idiots; keep in mind I play and love being a monk. You can tell you're a decent monk when you complete hell's precipice or other late-in-the-game missions with only a smiter/healer hybrid assit healing by spamming other/breeze/party. >.>.
That was when I realised I can't be too bad a monk.. After finishing abadon's mouth in a great group with a heal/smite monk and myself healing... and it being now 4am, we decided to do hell's principle... Until I re-did the mission with my mesmer, I had NO idea what had happened during it due to falling asleep while using word of healing on the red bars that needed it.

All up, it's a good thing that sometimes I dream of healing...

KaPe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

27 Sep 2005 at 01:44 - 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by lg5000
That was when I realised I can't be too bad a monk.. After finishing abadon's mouth in a great group with a heal/smite monk and myself healing... and it being now 4am, we decided to do hell's principle... Until I re-did the mission with my mesmer, I had NO idea what had happened during it due to falling asleep while using word of healing on the red bars that needed it.
Well, no offense, but if you can't do *anything* except for staring at bars and falling asleeep - you *are* bad monk. If you do that, you will find yourself stuck between people/rocks while trying to reach someone you're supposed to heal, you won't even notice *you're* the one that is attacked and you're supposed to withdraw, you won't pay attention to "I have Blind on me" calls from Warriors, and many other things.
I'm not really expert on MMORPGs, but I'd say Monk profession in GW is pretty "fast" - sure you stare at bars, but there's no healing once per 10second, intense battle will have you clicking like mad and thinking about your energy management at the same time.
Or just stop playing when you're about to fall asleep. Really, some arguments are just... meh.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken
You can tell you're a decent monk when you complete hell's precipice or other late-in-the-game missions with only a smiter/healer hybrid assit healing by spamming other/breeze/party
The hell does that prove? That *you* saved the party and are great? I'd say it just shows that you had good group that didn't really need much healing in the first place. What does playing hybrid has to do with it? I just finished Last Day Dawns as "hybrid" with Baltazar, CoF, heals and status removals - but what does it prove? If it wasn't for entire group working together, including 2nd boon monk, we'd be annihilated on first Lord(and not even Armageddon Lord).

Myself, I wouldn't really play Monk, since I already did in few previous MMORPGs, but that was one of reasons my friends asked me to do it again - I did my job well(not perfectly, but good enough), so they knew I would find myself in GW - and they were right, I'm not really complaining.

And to completely get back OT - That won't be me. I hate making/joining parties. It has nothing to do with "PUGs quality", I simply dislike waiting 10+minutes to get full group, while I could get few friends and couple of henchies in a minute. Oh yeah, and trying to find someone in SF for quest - farmers everywhere. I don't really solo farm, I did couple of times, but it doesn't really appeal to me.

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

27 Sep 2005 at 02:31 - 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaPe
The hell does that prove? That *you* saved the party and are great? I'd say it just shows that you had good group that didn't really need much healing in the first place. What does playing hybrid has to do with it? I just finished Last Day Dawns as "hybrid" with Baltazar, CoF, heals and status removals - but what does it prove? If it wasn't for entire group working together, including 2nd boon monk, we'd be annihilated on first Lord(and not even Armageddon Lord).
I'm quite impressed you needed a second healer when the entire quest can be done with one healer alone.

Hybrids are usually a hinder to a team, not a benefit. They lack the ability to do any one thing exceptionally well, and they're usually not able to help in extreme circumstances. I'm personally just tired of having to watch after the normal 6 people and then an extra seventh that suffers from role confusion.

Makes my life easier knowing I can rely on the monk next to me to help heal instead of casting things like backfire or banish. >.>

lg5000

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

27 Sep 2005 at 03:00 - 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaPe
Well, no offense, but if you can't do *anything* except for staring at bars and falling asleeep - you *are* bad monk. If you do that, you will find yourself stuck between people/rocks while trying to reach someone you're supposed to heal, you won't even notice *you're* the one that is attacked and you're supposed to withdraw, you won't pay attention to "I have Blind on me" calls from Warriors, and many other things.
I'm not really expert on MMORPGs, but I'd say Monk profession in GW is pretty "fast" - sure you stare at bars, but there's no healing once per 10second, intense battle will have you clicking like mad and thinking about your energy management at the same time.
Or just stop playing when you're about to fall asleep. Really, some arguments are just... meh.
Hehe, take into consideration that I had gotten up the previous day at 6:30am, and by the time we had finished (with more or less the same group we did thunderhead keep with) it was 5am. I'm suprised that you think in the last mission anyone could get blind on them (I might be mistaken here) either way, my setup did not include anything to help them anyway, seeing as I was going straight healer.

No, I did not run into any major energy problems. Yes, the group knew how tired I was and I stopped the entire game for 5 mins getting a coffee to keep awake. If we lost anyone due to death, I can't remember it although, I believe our only warrior did die once.

To liven things up a little, our ranger, my boyfriend.. decided to chuck a Leroy Jenkins... leaving me to swear at him while keeping everyone alife. he did it to wake me up.

What needs to be said is that the group was awsome, we had many things in common although we had never met before, and I have fond memories of the missions previous to hells prenciple.

Am I a good monk? I dunno... Do you have a chance to die while I'm healing? Yes! Is it my fault? There is a chance that you're out of my range or that I sacrificed your life to keep someone (who, to me) more important alive, or I'm having a lousy day (I have left a party after a failed quest after appologising for lack of heals on my behalf).

Am I able to keep an unifused person alive against the Mursat? I dunno.. I can for a while, but yeah... most monks can't and I don't see the point in it either.

Son of Mooky

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/Mo

27 Sep 2005 at 03:20 - 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaPe
Well, no offense, but if you can't do *anything* except for staring at bars and falling asleeep - you *are* bad monk. If you do that, you will find yourself stuck between people/rocks while trying to reach someone you're supposed to heal, you won't even notice *you're* the one that is attacked and you're supposed to withdraw, you won't pay attention to "I have Blind on me" calls from Warriors, and many other things.
I'm not really expert on MMORPGs, but I'd say Monk profession in GW is pretty "fast" - sure you stare at bars, but there's no healing once per 10second, intense battle will have you clicking like mad and thinking about your energy management at the same time.
Or just stop playing when you're about to fall asleep. Really, some arguments are just... meh.



The hell does that prove? That *you* saved the party and are great? I'd say it just shows that you had good group that didn't really need much healing in the first place. What does playing hybrid has to do with it? I just finished Last Day Dawns as "hybrid" with Baltazar, CoF, heals and status removals - but what does it prove? If it wasn't for entire group working together, including 2nd boon monk, we'd be annihilated on first Lord(and not even Armageddon Lord).
They " " are called quotation marks not * * asterisks for stressing a point

burai

burai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Fishermen's Haven

W/

27 Sep 2005 at 10:08 - 57
I love playing my healer monk - once I get past all the usual nonsense.

"ACCEPT MONK ACCEPT!!" when you walk into any town.
"heal HEAL!!" when some of the team are running round like headless chickens.
"rez REZ!!" when some of the headless chickens die.
"crapmonk!!" when all the other headless chickens die.

Still, it is quite rewarding just to get the occasional "greatmonk!!". I have by no means perfected my healing skills, but I like to think I'm getting there. Just need to be a little humble.

It's nice to be popular though

badd

badd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Philly

W/Mo

27 Sep 2005 at 10:47 - 58
i started a monk few days ago and i'd be happy to go in fow wit anyone i just gota get ascended first hehe lvl4.Healer btw

Venus

Venus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Me/Mo

27 Sep 2005 at 10:58 - 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by burai
I love playing my healer monk - once I get past all the usual nonsense.

"ACCEPT MONK ACCEPT!!" when you walk into any town.
"heal HEAL!!" when some of the team are running round like headless chickens.
"rez REZ!!" when some of the headless chickens die.
"crapmonk!!" when all the other headless chickens die.

Still, it is quite rewarding just to get the occasional "greatmonk!!". I have by no means perfected my healing skills, but I like to think I'm getting there. Just need to be a little humble.

It's nice to be popular though
Like burai said, it's really rewarding (for me anyway) when someone says (during a mission or whatever) "great monk" It makes me feel like I have accomplished somthing and made someone elses gaming experience better.... Of course, that didnt stop me from deleting my monk a week ago to I could replace her with a Necromancer. ^-^

KaPe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

27 Sep 2005 at 12:37 - 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken
I'm quite impressed you needed a second healer when the entire quest can be done with one healer alone.
I bet you could do it with full mesmer group if you tried hard enough, that's not the point. I simply doesn't see being hybrid in group and winning as a proof of my skills..

"They " " are called quotation marks not * * asterisks for stressing a point"

That is *really* important. I use it that way, and use "" for making fun out of something. Surely you have bigger problems than that.

Kais Unduli

Kais Unduli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Room V

27 Sep 2005 at 12:50 - 61
I created a monk mainly for my guild, but I find that I love staring at the red bars. I don't like when they change color, or dip down to fast, so I try to make sure that doesn't happen. My monk is straight up protection.

The main problem with partying is the same problem a lot of people have. Most of the characters in game are idiots. I will call my energy when it's at 0 after a pitched battle, and yet the 2 retard warriors will rush in and aggro more stuff.

When I encounter a bad group, I try to tough it out. But when I get criticized for other peoples stupidity? I F12 it.

KaPe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

27 Sep 2005 at 12:57 - 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kais Unduli
The main problem with partying is the same problem a lot of people have. Most of the characters in game are idiots. I will call my energy when it's at 0 after a pitched battle, and yet the 2 retard warriors will rush in and aggro more stuff.
Happens to the best of players. I helped friend finish Hells Precipe on another char(for titans later) yesterday and we decided to get some people as well. Everything goes well, everyone listens to calls, etc.. Than, after we meet "old friend", warrior goes berzerk - "I must kill him first, he has hundred blades !!! ", rushes in, agros everything, gets half of team killed And he didn't believe our explanation that he can use SoC after cutscene.
Hard to say if you're playing with someone good, or if it is just a disguise. At moments like that you're about to say "F... it, I don't res him".

kawaii_bat

kawaii_bat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada, Gatineau

None

Mo/R

27 Sep 2005 at 13:22 - 63
When the smitting monk *rage* came out, I thought the same thing:... ''Oh boy! Now my monk won't be able to get into any group.

I would hear: ''Mo/W lfg.'' Repeated over and over!'
And I was really frightened for my own character.
But since my monk is a Mo/R everyone would invite me and ignore the Mo/W and all was well with the world.

(As mentioned by others) Mo/W hardly ever heal or protect and they often stay silent when asked which type of monk they are (Protection, healing, smiting).

But I don't see why people always want 2 monks on their team of 6.

If people protect me (that is if tanks keep ennemies in the front and spellcasters safely in the back). I'm able to take care of 5 party members(excluding me) at the same time. I've tried this in a farming group in SF and we got pretty far before ppl had to go.

It all has to do with the tanks and how they keep ennemies from reaching the healer in the back. Not with the quality of the monk.

If the healer has to heal himself and the weaker spellcasters more often, he's not going to have enough energy to deal with the tanks. So it falls back to the tanks to keep ennemies from reaching them don't you think?

It's something called: Fair trade.
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Most often than not it's Chaaaaaarge! (And they haven't noticed that the healer is about a kilometer away and doesn't have sprint)

Ayashi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

Tenth Man Down

Me/N

27 Sep 2005 at 13:33 - 64
There is a beepload of monks in Pre-searing, yes, but after the first few missions you'll be having a hard time trying to find one. And if you go to a mission like Thunderhead or Ring of fire, you'll see how rare and wanted they are..

So if you wanna get a party all the time, play a monk. It's lovely

coolsti

coolsti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Denmark

27 Sep 2005 at 13:44 - 65
Can't wait til my 4th character, a monk, goes through all the game and reaches the desert and beyond. Then I am going to have fun! If I join a group as protector or healer I will certainly do my best job, but as soon as someone starts getting overly rude or continually plays stupidly (not waiting for me to recharge, not playing tactically and expecting to be kept artificially alive with constant monk healing) I will simply leave him/her be: no more healing, no more resurrection! Heh heh, I simply can't wait!

Dumeka

Dumeka

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2005

Germany

Lords Of Blood

N/Me

27 Sep 2005 at 13:56 - 66
Even I played a Necro/Mesmer since the first WPE in 2004 because of its unique playstyle, I was mainly a mage or priest in other games.

So my PvP character was a monk since the beginning and at the moment I have a ascended PvE Monk in the Ice Caves and my pvp monk still.

From what many told me I'm playing my class Monk/Elem very well no matter what combination I tried out so far.

Though in my eyes, even if anyone were the be the best monk of all times it still wouldn't be able to keep a whole team of 8 alive if the team doesn't work together.

What I see in most of the cases no matter in pve or pvp is that the most people lack on teamwork and many also on knowledge when it comes to their classes.

If anyone asks me what type of monk I'm, I say what I'm using at the moment and change if I have to for the party so I can support the team as much as I can so, I don't understand people that just say stfu and leave the team only because of such a question.

I came across rude people too though and I must say that I still stayed until the mission, quest or pvp round was done before I left the team instead of leaving in the middle of a battle.

I mean only because one idiot out of 8 sneaks into a team giving you names its not the fault of the others so... I don't see why the other 6 should "suffer" the same destiny the idiot actually should suffer.

Nevertheless what I hate most are ignorant, selfcalled "gods" that rushes a team into death (mostly warriors and elems) blaming me afterwards or people that rush into another team of enemies while I'm spamming that I have only 1 to 5 energy left.

If anyone needs ever my assistance don't be afraid to ask!

Joala Shoren is the name!

Teufel Eldritch

Teufel Eldritch

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Shadar Logoth

The Legendary Majestic 12

N/

27 Sep 2005 at 14:00 - 67
Quote:
Originally Posted by kawaii_bat
But I don't see why people always want 2 monks on their team of 6.
Because it's doesn't require much thought. Because most ppl are lazy. Because most ppl would rather slog thier way thru stuff than use finesse, skill & original thought.

The perfect group for most ppl...
2 Warriors
2 Eles
2 Monks

Most ppl would just use that if given the option as they see no use to the other professions. Then again most ppl are morons too.

Zeldawind

Zeldawind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Netherlands

Wrong Target [CrAP]

27 Sep 2005 at 16:29 - 68
Hmm i have a monk now (its only at divinity) but ive finished the game 4 times before i started him (yeah deleted the 1 i didnt liked to play). but the who mostly call me noob or whatever are monks.

Its because i cant memorize every shortcut they use in the game. Or once in tomb a monk kept on calling me noob (he was in my party) because i had 20 fame (i just started there *doh* no wonder i dont have so many fame) and because i dont know every shortcut in the game.

Now to clear my point i like playing in the tomb, but because of those monk keep on shouting me all the time noob nooob noob noob stfu u f****** loser, i dont like pplaying in tomb very much. Well if we need a monk in tomb now i get a guildie or a friend or my advertise is: LF healing monk who isnt arrogant, grumpy or a people hater, i just want a nice kind polite monk. U know its me .

Let this be a message to those ppl just be polite or u might force ppl to leave and then u get another leaver and another and u will be all alone without any friends

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

27 Sep 2005 at 17:44 - 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartoonhero
i feel ya on that one. warriors get no love, but i know most parties would be dead without them. i also have an e/mo, and even with her healing skills, she takes damage way to fast. so NOT a tank. I also have a monk at yaks right now, and i plan on being pure heal/protect, and dont worry, i wont be an arrogant jerk. just dont bite my head off if i cant keep 7 other people alive in a huge mob.

i dont understand when people try and alter the job a class was ment to do, like the other day when i saw a ele with a bow...sure its good for pulling, but he never nuked a single enemy, nor did he do anything slightly elementialist. and get this..his secondary wasnt a ranger...wtf.

I've also noticed a shortage in eles latley, as i get into parties with my emo fairly quickly. tis quite nice. now if only there'd be a shortage of tanks..lol.
LOL, last night I was in a group doing some farming in Sorrows Furnace. We got about half way thru and we all died except for the monk. I said "rez us dude!", but he said sorry, I don't bring any kind of rez, I dont expect to be the last 1 alive in the group. I said "How can you call yourself a healer/protection monk and you don't even bring a rez for your party, THATS PART OF YOUR JOB! He commented: "Well your a warrior so why do you bring a bow?". I said, "WTF, its a long bow for pulling dude, part of a tanks job pulling groups to aggro mobs on you so your team doesn't get hit. Oh well, he was probably a N00b that was run to Droknars anyway.

jdwoody

jdwoody

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Austin

27 Sep 2005 at 17:59 - 70
Quote:
THATS PART OF YOUR JOB!
Sorry but I really don't like that term, it's not a job it's a game! One of the reasons I hardly ever monk in PUGs are warriors who don't understand that pull is actually a verb and it doesn't mean run to the other end of the screen and make sure that every single creature in the area is alert to our presense at once.

As my monk if I point this out or even worse show them how to pull, I get told to "go back to the back, do my job and shut up" No thanks, unless I'm getting paid it's not a job...

Charcoal Ann

Charcoal Ann

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

In a World of BADGERS!

Eternal Flame Brotherhood

27 Sep 2005 at 18:00 - 71
i'm sure this issue has been done over waay too much on these forums. it is not part of a monks job to res. it is no more a monks job than a mesmers job. once the little red bars go dark they cease to exist for a monk. save the living. a secondary monk does the ressing.

of course everyone should bring a res of some sort. just incase.

also: pulling with a bow is totally unnecessary in most situations. you want to keep the enemies AWAY from the casters. not pull enemies towards them.

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

27 Sep 2005 at 18:07 - 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdwoody
Sorry but I really don't like that term, it's not a job it's a game! One of the reasons I hardly ever monk in PUGs are warriors who don't understand that pull is actually a verb and it doesn't mean run to the other end of the screen and make sure that every single creature in the area is alert to our presense at once.

As my monk if I point this out or even worse show them how to pull, I get told to "go back to the back, do my job and shut up" No thanks, unless I'm getting paid it's not a job...
We all know that its a game and not a job that you go to every day, you dont need to point that out to anyone.

For your information, this does fall under the category of a "Job".

Job
A regular activity performed in exchange for payment, especially as one's trade, occupation, or profession.
A position in which one is employed.

A task that must be done: Washing the windows is not my job.
A specified duty or responsibility. See Synonyms at task.

A specific piece of work to be done for a set fee: an expensive repair job.
The object to be worked on.
Something resulting from or produced by work.

Stop pulling damn it, save it for the rangers and warrior with higher armor ratings. I love my monk and it plays many different roles, but pulling is not one of them. If your playing the role of healing or protecting, then stay at the back of the group and do it!

Draygo Korvan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

27 Sep 2005 at 18:18 - 73
Stupid people is the primary reason I stopped playing in random pve pugs with my monk. Instead I resorted to guildies and henches. I took a party of all henches and beat orazar's quest, I found it much more fun when i did this, playing with people that know I'm a real good monk and are good players themselves and dont aggro anything unless the party is ready.

Greygon

Greygon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Arkansas

Knights of the Republic (KOTR)

W/R

27 Sep 2005 at 18:24 - 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollj
you dont ask a monk if he heals. Such a question just shows the monk you dont know jack about GW.
its like asking a warrior if it does melee attacks or a Ranger if it uses a bow.

just ask about his attribute points, WAY better question.

My monk has 11+ smiting 10+ protection and 10+ divine , never more than 0 healing prayers, and it still heals more than 2 paladins together.

I disagree. There are lots of monks that play smiting and can't heal. I would much rather know going in that a monk in my group can't heal than find out mid battle. I see nothing wrong with asking a monk if they are healing, protection, smiting or whatever else.

Mavrik

Mavrik

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

Alaska

27 Sep 2005 at 18:29 - 75
I walked into Barridan Estate yesterday... I was the only monk in a literal SEA of warriors lol...

But also yesterday, started a monk sync dance in ascalon (pre) with like 8-10 monks. Was pretty cool.

Monks are on the rise, But since I usually solo or hench... I won't be out there shouting LFG much anyway.

kawaii_bat

kawaii_bat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada, Gatineau

None

Mo/R

27 Sep 2005 at 18:32 - 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdwoody
Sorry but I really don't like that term, it's not a job it's a game! One of the reasons I hardly ever monk in PUGs are warriors who don't understand that pull is actually a verb and it doesn't mean run to the other end of the screen and make sure that every single creature in the area is alert to our presense at once.
What stresses me the *MOST* are warriors who actually pull and come right back to where all the spellcasters are.

Stupid Stupid Stupid Idea.

We back off and he keeps comming towards us. WTF?

Now you've got like 5 warrior-type monsters hacking at the spellcasters while the warriors complain that we don't heal enough. Woah!

Egotism at it's finnest!

Seriously. If everyone played the game correctly you wouldn't need so many warriors to stop monsters from hitting the spellcasters, and you wouldn't need so many monks to heal those mistakes.

jdwoody

jdwoody

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Austin

27 Sep 2005 at 19:06 - 77
Quote:
What stresses me the *MOST* are warriors who actually pull and come right back to where all the spellcasters are.
That is true, but in their defense I see lots of casters that can't help but creep forward. Alas we are all human...

Still there is nothing like a warrior who uses sprint to get to a priest on the other side of the screen and then gives everyone else a "GJ GUYS!" when there is no possible way to heal at that range and through 20 baddies...

Quote:
Stop pulling damn it
LOL nothing personal, it just irked me when someone told me to do my job. I don't pull with my monk, but after quite a few bad encounters I was trying to show them that you don't have to aggro everything at once.

(This particular case was the top of the stairs in SF, there is a group to the right and a patrol to the right. Running to the top of the stairs is a really bad idea when you can take care of the top two groups first. Want to guess what we did? )

kenjiglock

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

27 Sep 2005 at 19:41 - 78
I have 3 ascended characters that have finished the game (w/mo, mo/w, e/me) and i find that the monk is the most fun for me. No one has ever actually blamed me for a loss. Maybe it's because i actually know how to heal. Most people in game dont know how to play their classes. For example, when i was helping someone do villainy of galrath, I was the primary healer. The other monk in this Pug was some f*cktard smiter monk that would cast "heal party" every 5 seconds, run out of mana and to top it all off, had the nerve to ask if I was doing any healing. Or how about the arrogant 55hp monk we had in our pug group to FoW? He would always spam in chat that he was a tank; better than the warriors. A mesmer shattered his enchantments and he died very fast. Not to mention he was the most useless member of the team...all he did was cast prot spirit on himself and wand...he didn't even have balthazars aura.

I think this problem is not just a monk problem, there are warriors who dont know how to tank and i've seen a bunch of mesmer/warriors that think they're more of a warrior than a mesmer.

Oh, and btw, having too few monks is a good thing. This way you can use your monk character to 'blackmail' other groups. For example, my friend has a mesmer and i have a monk. Mesmer rarely get groups, however if I'll group with my friend, we can usually get a group to accept us both. If the leader kicks the mesmer, simply quit the group. This works especially well in thunderhead keep where people are always looking for monks .

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

27 Sep 2005 at 20:55 - 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaPe
I bet you could do it with full mesmer group if you tried hard enough, that's not the point. I simply doesn't see being hybrid in group and winning as a proof of my skills.
It does absolutely nothing to show your skill, but it shows something about the second monk. They're forced to heal damn near double what they'd normally have to. With a second pure healer, they'd be more likely to survive a horrid aggro without having half the team wiped out. With a hybrid healer, they're more likely to have half their team wiped out coupled with the major strain on the pure healer.

Assuming both pure healing monks are busy little bees, work should be split approx. 50:50

Same scenario with a hybrid substituted as second healer: work is probably approx: 75:25 or worse

Now the hybrid is drained from spamming god only knows what, and the pure is drained form healing to compensate for the others' lack of healing. Two drained monks! Woo hoo. >.>

Hybrids lack proper energy management, diversity in healing ability, and overall usefulness in ever-changing situations. I don't think the perogative of screwing the pure healing monk is fair to run a hybrid under false advertising. (Yes, calling yourself a "healer" when you're actually a hybrid is false advertising.) Why should you make them do more work to run an obsolete character? Hybrids can work, but they're not nearly as effective for PvE.

Crazyvietguy

Crazyvietguy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

[Njk]

Rt/

27 Sep 2005 at 21:28 - 80
I agree with everything that is said here, I'm a monk myself, my first character is a monk, i do like it when i walk into a mission i instantly get join requests. All this aside, I still have to play the monk smart. Most people think the monk will save me.. true, yet, you have to put out a little effort yourself. I had a warrior once, Abbadons Mouth- Was not infused and was yelling at me because i couldnt heal him in the 2 seconds before he was roasted. I asked him if he was infused, then he logged off. I'm not arrogant, mean, stupid. However, If theres a strange reason your dying uncontrolably fast and you yell at me about it (while everyone else seems to be doing just fine) then ill be nice at first, but if it continues my rez skill will not work properly for you. Another thing is the lack of understanding that monks CANT FIGHT. I know your thinking.. well if i run my smite build i can pwn that shadow elementalist, WRONG. I try to work with the team, teams dont invite you to smite the enemies, they invite you to heal. There are plenty of offensive builds out there, besides the few for monks. I agree with the guy above me 100%. Do not advertiese "Healing monk lfg" then when we get out there, Im the only one really healing. Your off Smiting to death, or better yet, Your using another class.

As i said im a monk myself, i enjoy being a monk. However, i dont enjoy other monks who slack off and leave me as the main healer. Not saying that every monk in the game is like this. Im saying (to the ones who are stupid healers) please if your gunna heal go ahead and do it. We are not one man teams, If i could beat all the missions with just my monk, i probably would have quit this game ages ago. All groups need other classes to succeed.