What am I doing wrong?

Hi,
I have a W/E char.These are teh stats for my attribute distribution (approximate..am writing frm work..dont have access 2 GW

I went on a quest with a W/N lvl 11 yesterday. In travellers vale. I noticed.. that he was being hammered by the Ice Elemetals and ittens and was taking some damage..while I was getting PULVERSISED. I'm wearing COMPLTE Gladiator armor with minor rune of absorption on 5 tiems and minor rune of vigor on remaining 2.

11/Sword
9/Str
4/Tactics
2/Earth

BUT STILL i got plummelled. What am I doing wrong?? Its embarrassing 2 be lvl 12 and get a pounding I (probably) dont deserver...

Help please.

All Hail!!
Balrog

runes DONT STACK. if u put 2 minor absorb runes on u it will only work as if ur wearing one rune. what skills r u using?

Umm...first of all, how did you manage to equip 7 runes?
"minor rune of absorption on 5 tiems and minor rune of vigor on remaining 2."

Secondly, yeah runes don't stack.
Even if you're using 2 different grades they don't stack.
And did you not notice no difference in your total health after you put in the 2nd vigor rune?

So you actually need to craft your armour again, sorry to say.

No need to recraft his armor ... his error isn't actually hurting the armor at all, and new runes will happily overwrite the old.

What is the AL of the armor your gladiator armor? .. do you know whether the guy you roaming with was wearing droknars armor?, that could account for the difference somewhat.

try to use you Ele to protect yourself a little.

i dont know if you get the skills at that point in the game, but Ward Against Foes for example makes like a little easier.

Ahh sorry my bad.
Never had to do that before so I didn't know you could replace the old rune.

this makes me think up another question

i have platemail 1.5 k from droknars
and knights gauntlets from droknars.
my health is 510. i put in Major rune of absorption (didnt have one) and it stays 510.

do the gauntlets and rune dont mix?

Absorbtion doesn't increase your health.
It reduces damage from attacks.
Minor: -1
Major: -2
Superior: -3

ahhh sorry..
I meant..3 items RoA and 2 Items RoV
1 Rune of absorption on helm
1 Rune of absorption on Chest armor
1 Rune of absorption on boots
1 Rune of Vigor on gauntlets
1 Rune of Vigor on Sword(i think..)

Hmm as for skills, I use :-

For Great Justice
Server Artery
Gash
Frenzy
Power Attack
WildBlow
HealingSignet
Endure Pain

any updates with this?????? I dont use any tactics except FGJ!!!!

PS: I NEVER stacked up any runes...how did THAT start????

Its leggings

P.S. I'm not answering much about your build cos I don't play W/E so I don't know about it.
Just answering what I know about runes (one of which turned out to be wrong but I'm only human )

kk..Well does my build LOOK like a tanker for his level and armour??

If yes, then I guess my W/N has either a better char from which he's got better armor or he "ran" to get it from shiverpeaks somehwere..coz It JUST isnt possible he could take on 3 ittins and Ice eles in Travellers vale for his lvl(11)...

Plzz comment!!

I think Runes of Absorption protect u against DAMAGE..wont affect ur HP.
Runes of Vigor do that..correct me if Im wrong!!!

only 1 Rune of absorption is needed and the rest of absorption runes will be wasted as they dont stack.Same goes for the Vigor too. And you can use runes only on armors.(sword is impossible).
You can use better armor set(higher AL lvl) to reduce damage. You may wear armor that reduce damage on it(e.g.Ascalon Armor or Knight Armor).You can also use defend skills like armor of earth from earth magic(which will make your movement slower though).

By using more than one of the attribute rune, you already attempted to stack the effects of the runes, which won't happen.

Hmm..

But dude, I see on ALL items on which Ive applied the runes of absorption..a comment .. Protects from Damage..or something equivalent. I was reading somewhere, that damage in GW is fragmented. ie, on Chest its MAX, lesser on leggings nad helm..and LEAST on boots. Consequently, peeps suggest wearing Knights boots against Gladiators.. Wont the same ideology apply for runes? If i apply runes on Chest armor..i get MAX benefit for attacks(-1 damage)..ditto for helm and leggings...if I apply runes there...

Or have I got this logic wrong?

dont the runes decrease health anymore?

runes are applied globally, so wherever u get hit the absorbtion rune will kick in. And about the absorbtion from knights or ascalon armour it supposed to work on specific parts of the body, but apparently that works globally too altho i dunno if they patched it yet.. anyone know?

The argument about whether the absorbtion effect is locational or universal was long.
And I chose to believe SonOfRah's conclusion - its universal.
Therefore, where you put the rune of absorbtion does not matter. As long as its in any one of your armour pieces, you get the benefit no matter where you are hit. And I think this only makes sense since runes do not stack.
Same goes for knight's or ascalon armour. Just one piece will suffice and you get the full effect of damage reduction. This part does not make sense to me but hey, if someone has done tests and experiments, who am I to go against him? I'll just take his word for it unless I can come up with my own theory backed by proof.

ahhhh...good...

so basically, nothing wrong with my armor/attr combo then???

Dude, read through again.
The first reply already tells you there's something wrong with your armour (or the runes in the armour).
But then again, no other rune that you put in will affect your defense status, except maybe tactics.
So switching around the runes wouldn't help you survive longer anyway.

u were doing nothing wrong,ur skills are good,ur new on the whole rune stacking thing but dont worry everyone was, probably the most accurate response as to why u were getting smashed and ur ally was beating all those monsters at once is the response that cagan gave by saying that maybe ur ally had droknar armor.

Both Absorption Rune and knight armor's damage reductions are global. That means you will receive the damage reduction wherever the attack land on(chest,legs,hands or head).

How often were you using frenzy, while its active I think you take double damage of lose alot of armour. I'm geussing that could be the difference

OOOkies...
Good learning here...
One superior rune of each should be sufficient.
One knights armor item..will be good ..rest Gladiator seemz fine.
ty every1..will save up for da runes..

I ALSO learnt i lost 500g on runes that we'rent needed Grrrrr..
aNd INGRAM!!!! HOOOLEY CRIKEY ..where DID u find that staff??

Thats a GOOD point dude..
I use Frenzy a LOT...Is that bad???Tho I try 2 use it when the mobs are going after some1 else..

beserker stance is alot better imho, but frenzy is alright as long as you remember to use a skill to cancel it when mobs turn on you

hmm... it seems like your question hasn't been fully answered yet.

to re-iterate what people have said, you only need 1 rune of each kind. so, the other absorption runes are being wasted. here is my suggestion:

-1 absorption rune (whichever you can afford)
-1 vigor rune (whichever you can afford)
-1 minor swordsmanship rune
-1 minor strength rune
-1 minor tactics rune

that should cover all 5 pieces of your armor. whatever you do, DO NOT get 3 superior attribute runes. each one has a -75 hp penalty, and you will die very quickly if you have those. pve and pvp are entirely different, and the -75 hp is not worth it since your main role in pve is to tank. you can't do that with only 300 hp.

regarding your skills, i'm surprised you're even asking why you can't tank as well with those. aside from healing signet and endure pain, all of your skills are attack skills. right now, you are set up for dealing damage, not for tanking.

keep in mind that endure pain is not a tanking skill. it is a last ditch survival skill. once it ends, you LOSE that hp. so, using it in the middle of battle is risky. also, keep in mind that you lose -40 armor while using healing signet. using that while getting hit is not a very smart thing to do, since you will most likely be losing the health you are trying to heal anyway. also, you take more damage while using frenzy.

so in reality, you are actually set up to take more damage than you should, not to tank. that is why you are dying so fast.

if you really want to tank, drop strength and invest in tactics. drop endure pain and frenzy and put in some stances from the tactics line. remember to use healing signet only when you are not being attacked. run away a little bit if you have to. -40 armor sucks when you are trying to heal yourself.

on a last note, i see that you're not using any elem skills, which is a waste. try to look at what skills you have and see how you can work them in.

seriously though, read skill descriptions and try to build a skillset that works.

Ok let's make things clear:

Runes do not stack!
If you have 3 runes of minor absorption it will *always* act like you put on one.
Same thing with every other runes. The highest number get's priority. So if you have 2 minor and a major absorption, it will act as if you only have 1 major rune...etc...

Runes affect your whole body not just the part you put it on.
Now that you have 3 more free spaces to put runes put on a rune of swordsmanship, tactics and strength instead of those 3 other minor absorption runes.

You'll either have to salvage your minor absorption back (destroying your armor) or you just put the new runes on and loose the old ones.


The damage you take depends on your armor.
There are earth skills which you can use to strengthen your armor (armor of earth or ward against elements).

Use a shield
Do you have a shield? Or a focus? If the answer is focus then that would be your problem. I've had a warrior use a focus before in a high level mission and he was constantly dying until i *Ordered* him to put his shield on.

Shields give +(the number they give) to all parts of you armor as long as you are facing the monster that is attacking you. If a monster is attacking you from behind you will take damage as if you did not have a shield.
The max armor bonus a shield gives is 16.

Ascalon armor does the same thing. I have all gladiators armor except for one piece of Ascalon.

get rid of frenzy.

get rid of frenzy.

Since you are a W/e, use armor of earth and "watch yourself" if you have them (not sure how late ingame to get them). Dolyak sig would'nt hurt either, but armor of earth+dolyak will have you moving at half the speed of smell. With 12 earth (my war had it that high once), you should be getting around 80ish AL

Hmm,
I DO have armor of earth and watch your self.
@striderkaaru : Thats sums it up. I can see where ur going...I WAS gathering all attention with complete Damage based skill sets with nothing to buff me to prepare for an imminent onslaught!! ty for post dude!!

@kwaii : I was using a focus item, swapped it for a nifty shield. Ur right, the difference is noticeable

@dya : Good point dude, sstriderkaaru suggested the same, have dropped endure pain for Tactics!!!

Seems the best bet in survival is maxing out the AL and trying to deal out damage. Unbalancing one of these is catastrophic!!!!
Cool feedback guys!!!!

The staff I use stared of and a smiting staff of enchanting. I found a Hale Head and a wrapping of fortitude, Both in the fire islands missions... I then just replaced the existing upgrades on my max dmg staff and off I went... That is my primary staff now, with customization... it really is a good weapon. Even if it isn't GOLG or Green... I said it before. Its about what you can do with the weapon. not what color it is...

when I say 20%. I mean 20% chance of... sorry. I thought that was implied...

man you will get there in time just atke it easy as you are still pretty new to the game.

in time you will get more skills which are - more than likely - much better than the ones you have. you will also get more money, so you will be able to afford those expensive superior runes. and you will find yourself some nice weapons.

are you doing really anything wrong with your build? nah, you still have a long way to go and a lot to build on and learn from - ie rune stacking.

Shmash

Ps - i hope since you are using earth you will be switching to hammer soon...