Big Update & Feedback: rant or praise [MERGED]

User Name

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

01 Oct 2005 at 13:31 - 362

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

Updates are good. Changes are good.
Constant updates, changes = dynamic, non static, non stagnant
Which is a good thing.

Those who cannot cope with the changes, updates, ought to take a break from playing too much of Guild Wars, and go read the book titled:
"Who moved my cheese?"

Cheers to ARENANET.
Cheers to the developers of Guild Wars.

Boo to the ones who complain of the changes.

YAY! for rampant fanboyism

Theos

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

River Dancing

Eternal Treachery [TimE]

Me/E

01 Oct 2005 at 13:58 - 363

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teh Monkeys

Try playing an illusion mesmer in PvE now. Then we'll talk.

I tried playing Illusion.. absolutly nothing has changed. Maybe one or two builds are no longer "[email protected] " but hey that only lets the other more original builds shine. Most of the people who complain are those who, when knocked down, prefer to simply stay down and trip everyone who wants to get by. Instead of, ofcourse, taking some effort to get back up.

avatar prot

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2005

01 Oct 2005 at 14:20 - 364

Since the update, I can no longer farm in the UW, Im trying to work out if it is just me (most likely), or if this build no longer works. Could you post replies please? ok....

Invincimonk 55hp
Healing: 13
Smiting: 15
Protection: 10
Divine: 10

Skills
Spellbreaker
Prot Spirit
Healing breeze
Bonettis
Balthz AurA
Mending
Blessed Aura
Balthz Spirit

Im being blocked by the first ataxes, and by the time i can fire off Balthz Aura, they are on full health again... Could someone let me know if this build is dead, or if theres something im missing.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

01 Oct 2005 at 17:44 - 365

Quote:

Originally Posted by avatar prot

Could someone let me know if this build is dead, or if theres something im missing.

dead so find some other farm build or farm elsewhere

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

01 Oct 2005 at 19:47 - 366

Sheesh. Farming is not dead. Stop using cookie cutter Monk templates and find a different build. I've been farming everywhere except UW and FOW with my Ranger with no problems and I dont even have a Monk secondary.

Besides UW and FOW wasnt really meant to be solo farmed... Don't get me wrong, if I could solo farm there I would. But I'm not ticked off that I can't anymore either.

Fyre Brand

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Shadowlight Order [SoR]

01 Oct 2005 at 20:22 - 367

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

Besides UW and FOW wasnt really meant to be solo farmed... Don't get me wrong, if I could solo farm there I would. But I'm not ticked off that I can't anymore either.

I have to agree with you there. While I have no problem with soloing or minimal group player/henchie size, I don't think UW/FoW should be solo'd. And especially not by a single class combo.

I don't use a 55hp build on my monk. When I want to go solo or minimum group I take my ranger. I find the ideas behind the 55hp build interesting, but out of balance. I have a lot of respect for the initial group who managed to get what was going on there.

I like the skill update changes a lot. I really think it has balanced classes a lot more. It has made PvE a bit more challenging, and that was definitely called for. Something for us all to consider is that not only were some builds weakened, but (in PvE) mops have had their skills buffed or adjusted as well. So it's not only that there is a slowdown in the 55hp build, but some of the mops it faces are sharper. I really applaud the Dev Team. I think there was a lot of clever thinking going on with this update.

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Nova Alliance

Me/

01 Oct 2005 at 21:23 - 368

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teh Monkeys

Try playing an illusion mesmer in PvE now. Then we'll talk.

I play Dom/Illusion and I'm not even very high in all my fields. 12 at most. So if your having problems at just getting one field...wow...

I have no sympathy.

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

01 Oct 2005 at 22:18 - 369

Quote:

Originally Posted by EndobioticChaos

Or perhaps in your case. Mesmers were already relatively underpowered for PvE. PvP isn't everything, even though the whiners seem to think it is. Since the developers seem intent on destroying anything remotely good, it's time for a game where they aren't constantly changing everything. What use is it trying to come up with a good build any more? They'll just break it tomorrow anyhow.

So go ahead, flame all you like. All you prove is your own ignorance.

Hex breaker is now COMPLETELY useless in PvE. Recharge 15 seconds?? In that time those two heretics and three gnashers will have hexed you 10 times and only one of the hexes get blocked instead of 5+. And that L28 monk boss? Now he'll have all the energy he jolly well wishes because you can't steal energy worth a damn any more.

Yeah, I agree with you, they've really made my PVE mesmer bad. There are other energy stealing moves, but... it's just not the same.

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Nova Alliance

Me/

02 Oct 2005 at 00:56 - 370

Kinda the point. To not be the same.

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

03 Oct 2005 at 14:59 - 371

I don't like the update simply because of the nerfs, it is absolutely pathetic how Anet seemly bends over backwards to kiss the Guildwar whiners ass, it literally makes me want to puke. How can anyone have respect for a company that is lead around by the hands of crybaby sector of it's community?

They just don't get it I mean the more they reward the whiner the more they will whine for more and the nerfs will continue.

Why don't they just stop the BS and give every class 8 skills the exact same skills across the board and so one can complain. Hell the way things are going eventually that's where we are headed anyway.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

03 Oct 2005 at 15:21 - 372

None of you guys complaining actually play mesmers, do you?

MarkyX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

03 Oct 2005 at 18:36 - 373

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt

I don't like the update simply because of the nerfs, it is absolutely pathetic how Anet seemly bends over backwards to kiss the Guildwar whiners ass, it literally makes me want to puke. How can anyone have respect for a company that is lead around by the hands of crybaby sector of it's community?

They just don't get it I mean the more they reward the whiner the more they will whine for more and the nerfs will continue.

Why don't they just stop the BS and give every class 8 skills the exact same skills across the board and so one can complain. Hell the way things are going eventually that's where we are headed anyway.

You never designed a game before, have you?

User Name

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

03 Oct 2005 at 18:43 - 374

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fyre Brand

I have to agree with you there. While I have no problem with soloing or minimal group player/henchie size, I don't think UW/FoW should be solo'd. And especially not by a single class combo.

It has been stated many many times that the Mo/Wa is not the only class combo that can solo the underworld. Depending on how creative you are...and ultimately how good you are(with the exception of Monks) you can solo the underworld(or atleast the section of the UW that the Monks do) with any class.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

03 Oct 2005 at 18:53 - 375

lets boil this update down a bit. spamming skills to be invulnerable and shut people down cheaply = nerfed. thought = required. the end.

Xue Yi Liang

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Northern CA

Outlaws of the Water Margin

Mo/Me

03 Oct 2005 at 18:58 - 376

Periodic change of the skills, like Darwinism, guarantees that those who can adapt will thrive while those who rely on copy-cat builds will fall. I have no problem with that.

No update ever "killed farming." I farm as much as anyone out there and have been affected my most updates, but it's really no big deal. It just encouraged me to make changes and experiment with new ideas - which I happen to enjoy. Frankly, I'd be really bored if I found myself playing the same balanced build every day for the next several months.

Anyone claiming that an update "killed farming" only exposes them as a copy-cat builder.

User Name

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

03 Oct 2005 at 18:59 - 377

The last update killed farming...it's so noob now

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

05 Oct 2005 at 13:11 - 378

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkyX

You never designed a game before, have you?

No but I have been around since the gaming industry was sucking on a pacifier and I can tell you the two reasons why the big boys like ID, Epic, Valve, Blizzard, EA, never listen to the whiner sector of their gaming communities.

1, That sector is generally made up of the weakest skilled players, the most non playing players, and band wagon jumpers.

2, This the most important reason of all, they are ALLWAYS the minority in the community.

Acan Vishnu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/N

05 Oct 2005 at 15:01 - 379

I disagree strongly that ArenaNet has catered to "whiners". There were aspects of the game that needed toning down and some that needed to be more viable and looking at the changes I feel that they have done this very well. In a game like this the ideal situation is that there is never a skill or a handful of skills that are shoe-ins for a specific build or character type. For instance, before the patch the majority of my healing builds had Energy Drain and Hex breaker on their bars, now I sometimes have builds with OoB, Holy Veil and yes, even Divine Spirit!

I haven't played in the tombs much since the patch, but I've played alot in Team Arenas and some GvG, and I've noticed much more variety in the builds being run. Its really nice seeing people trying new things.

Hanuman li Tosh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

garden of the gods, CO

Over Powered

N/

05 Oct 2005 at 15:05 - 380

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt

No but I have been around since the gaming industry was sucking on a pacifier and I can tell you the two reasons why the big boys like ID, Epic, Valve, Blizzard, EA, never listen to the whiner sector of their gaming communities.

1, That sector is generally made up of the weakest skilled players, the most non playing players, and band wagon jumpers.

2, This the most important reason of all, they are ALLWAYS the minority in the community.

yup. even in games that fail.

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

05 Oct 2005 at 15:08 - 381

Quote:

Originally Posted by User Name

The last update killed farming...it's so noob now

Shut up. It's not dead. You just need to adapt.
I've got a pile of 43 ecto in storage that says
farming is still easily doable.

MarkyX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

05 Oct 2005 at 15:45 - 382

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt

No but I have been around since the gaming industry was sucking on a pacifier and I can tell you the two reasons why the big boys like ID, Epic, Valve, Blizzard, EA, never listen to the whiner sector of their gaming communities.

1, That sector is generally made up of the weakest skilled players, the most non playing players, and band wagon jumpers.

2, This the most important reason of all, they are ALLWAYS the minority in the community.

Wrong.

EA listens to their fanbase. Example? Battlefield 2. New patch came out yesterday with a new map, some of the changes included "Blackhawk cannot cap flags anymore", "Anti-air missiles deal more damage and are faster", both things the community complained about for months.

Blizzard nerfed classes in WoW due to complainers.

There is a difference between "OMG, HE KILLED ME, BAN HIM", and "This skill is overpowered because..."

One of the things I really like about the GW community is people actually type in proper english and paragraphs. People get REALLY technical about the skills. We even have a radio show, Weapon of Choice, that discusses tactics and strategies of Guild Wars.

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

05 Oct 2005 at 15:50 - 383

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkyX

Wrong.

EA listens to their fanbase. Example? Battlefield 2. New patch came out yesterday with a new map, some of the changes included "Blackhawk cannot cap flags anymore", "Anti-air missiles deal more damage and are faster", both things the community complained about for months.

Blizzard nerfed classes in WoW due to complainers.

There is a difference between "OMG, HE KILLED ME, BAN HIM", and "This skill is overpowered because..."

One of the things I really like about the GW community is people actually type in proper english and paragraphs. People get REALLY technical about the skills. We even have a radio show, Weapon of Choice, that discusses tactics and strategies of Guild Wars.

/signed for great f'n justice.

User Name

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

05 Oct 2005 at 15:51 - 384

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

Shut up. It's not dead. You just need to adapt.
I've got a pile of 43 ecto in storage that says
farming is still easily doable.

I've got a lengthy list of sarcastic posts that says people are still stupid

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

05 Oct 2005 at 15:56 - 385

I'm not arguing that people aren't stupid, that comes with any online
game. The nerfs to farming will eliminate a lot of the current farming
community because they're either too unskilled to adapt or too lazy.

To an extent the nerfs have worked. But it's not noob now, if nothing
else it's harder than ever, thus calling for more skill.

User Name

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

05 Oct 2005 at 16:04 - 386

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

I'm not arguing that people aren't stupid, that comes with any online
game. The nerfs to farming will eliminate a lot of the current farming
community because they're either too unskilled to adapt or too lazy.

To an extent the nerfs have worked. But it's not noob now, if nothing
else it's harder than ever, thus calling for more skill.

read the post directly above mine.....

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

05 Oct 2005 at 16:10 - 387

So you're claiming you're a copy-cat builder?
I'm confused.

User Name

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

05 Oct 2005 at 16:25 - 388

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

So you're claiming you're a copy-cat builder?
I'm confused.

it's ok...stupid people are easily confused

FrogDevourer

on a GW break until C4

Join Date: Feb 2005

In your shadow

Servants of Fortuna

06 Oct 2005 at 08:30 - 389

Time to end the discussion. Thanks to all those who actually brought useful feedback to the table (be that praise or constructive criticism).

@User Name: you have earned another bad note on your profile for your trolling and insulting behaviour. Keep doing that and you'll be shown the door. Consider yourself warned.

Big Update &amp; Feedback: rant or praise [MERGED]