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Schorny

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

01 Oct 2005 at 09:08 - 1

Yesterday we were testing a new monk build in team arena. We won some, we lost some.

On the lava map the other group was 'base camping' and won't move out, so that we have to fight far away from our res point. I asked them if they really want to base camp, but they responded that someone was AFK. So we said we will wait for him to return or start fighting 30sec before the timer runs out (what ever happens first). They said thx. We waited about 2 minutes until the time runs out and then attacked them. All 4 of them started fighting back. After we lost they made fun of us for believing that they had AFK people...

I'm really into fair play, but I guess I won't wait for AFK people to return now. Normally my friends and I are fair enough to wait a decent amount of time, because we want to fight and not easy wins.

But now I really doubt that you can trust strangers

Anyone else expierenced this?

ExDeity

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

01 Oct 2005 at 09:11 - 2

Wait, you mean someone lied to you over the internet??!

This has got to stop. If you can't trust someone 3,000 miles away over a secure connection such as the internet, where can you trust them?!

OUTRAGE.

Schorny

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

01 Oct 2005 at 09:21 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExDeity

Wait, you mean someone lied to you over the internet??!

This has got to stop. If you can't trust someone 3,000 miles away over a secure connection such as the internet, where can you trust them?!

OUTRAGE.

It's just about fair play.
I really thought people want fair play, but considering your comment I have to accept that fair play is dead.

In arena, where a win means nothing, I assumed people want to have fun and have good fights. If it is about winning the hall, it is something completly different and I won't wait for AFKlers obviously.

And sorry, for asking a simple question.

ExDeity

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

01 Oct 2005 at 09:30 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schorny

It's just about fair play.
I really thought people want fair play, but considering your comment I have to accept that fair play is dead.

In arena, where a win means nothing, I assumed people want to have fun and have good fights. If it is about winning the hall, it is something completly different and I won't wait for AFKlers obviously.

And sorry, for asking a simple question.

Oh, you were being serious? I genuinely mistook your complaint as a sarcastic whining that plagues this board like, well, a plague.

If you want a genuine answer on it, I can't offer much different an answer; the fact of the matter is that certain players play for different reasons than others. Some people take this game seriously. Some people, even, will take this game so seriously that they will lie or cheat to gain an advantage over the enemy, all for the sake of a victory on the internet. I mean, there are people out there, and it's tough to believe, but is this honestly your first encounter with such? Come on, man, everyone's used to that bullshit by now!

But keep playing the way that you do, because there are other players, and many of them, who share your beliefs that the game is designed to give the user some fantasy-based, friendly, competitive fun.

You will run into alot more competitive, yet fair, teams than you will noobish, unfair teams, provided you progress where you play according to your own skill. You aren't going to see stuff like this happening in Tombs. Of that I assure you. (Ok, maybe once or twice

)

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

01 Oct 2005 at 10:10 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schorny

I really thought people want fair play, but considering your comment I have to accept that fair play is dead.

A significant portion of those you're playing against are adolescents who play to bolster their frail self-esteem, so fair play is not something you should count on. In fact, they've developed a kind of philosophy that fair play is bad; playing fair means you don't care enough about winning, and so is not a serious player, and so is a n00b. For more info on this frame of mind, search for "leet".

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

01 Oct 2005 at 10:52 - 6

Just a piece of advice: Pressing Alt-F4 or F12-Enter does not give you lots of ectos, gold, or uber stats. Letting you know beforehand.

KvanCetre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Madison Scouts

E/Mo

01 Oct 2005 at 13:11 - 7

Wait, if you thought they had an AFK player, why did you attack them?

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

01 Oct 2005 at 14:18 - 8

You can trust people, strangers included. ^^ I continue to enter parties under this assumption. Yes, you do get disappointed on occasion but hey, its better than starting a game presuming otherwise.

Might add in the case of PvP, its entirely different. Trust your team only of course. Have to attack an AFK player. I dont PvP though. Its your call, but in PvP you're asking for a world of hurt if you open yourself up to falling for mind games from opposing teams.

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

01 Oct 2005 at 14:21 - 9

No mercy. If someone enters PvP and instantly goes AFK they're
BEGGING TO DIE.

Sanji

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

01 Oct 2005 at 14:35 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

A significant portion of those you're playing against are adolescents who play to bolster their frail self-esteem, so fair play is not something you should count on. In fact, they've developed a kind of philosophy that fair play is bad; playing fair means you don't care enough about winning, and so is not a serious player, and so is a n00b. For more info on this frame of mind, search for "leet".

Sneer and cuss all you want to about kids who don't care to follow an arbitrary code of honor in a video game, it won't change anything.

Video games are still very much a kid thing, expecting maturity in it is a detriment to your ability to have fun. Approaching them with an adult attitude and an adult set of ethics is your fault, not theirs.

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

01 Oct 2005 at 14:40 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanji

Sneer and cuss all you want to about kids who don't care to follow an arbitrary code of honor in a video game, it won't change anything.

Video games are still very much a kid thing, expecting much maturity in it is a detriment to your ability to have fun. Approaching them with an adult attitude and an adult set of ethics is your fault, not theirs.

Actually, the average age of a gamer was in the 18-24 range, if I recall the study correctly. Still, not all male gamers in that range - not a whole lot actually - are very mature. Plain and simple, you should not trust anything a person says online, and take much caution. Many people play to win, and much less for fun.

Arcien Trueflight

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Retrieving an arrow from my latest kill.

Nova Alliance [Nova]

R/E

01 Oct 2005 at 14:52 - 12

Savio's got it right, a certain age doesn't make you a better gamer, it's just the general people. There are plenty who just play GW for shits and giggles and don't really care about anything involving it. Of course, on the opposite end of the spectrum, you have the people who do actually care, enjoy fair play, and enjoy the game like it was meant to be enjoyed. Of course, it is finding those people, that is the trick...*Ponders magical goatee.*

Shinsei

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Denmark

01 Oct 2005 at 14:53 - 13

You didn't lose because you thought they had an afk guy. If your team attacked and lost, they were obviously better.

calamitykell

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

N.Y.C.

01 Oct 2005 at 15:16 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinsei

You didn't lose because you thought they had an afk guy. If your team attacked and lost, they were obviously better.

You clearly the missed the point.

moonshadow

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Chocolate Dragons

01 Oct 2005 at 15:25 - 15

No, you can't trust people...especially over the internet where there is no accountability for your actions. Kudos to your team for trying to approach them with honor, and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Sure, you paid for it in measly faction, but they paid for it in character and honor. But judging by many of the sarcastic and caustic replies to your post, I guess character and honor just don't matter for many people.

Shinsei

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Denmark

01 Oct 2005 at 15:29 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by calamitykell

You clearly the missed the point.

You clearly the missed the grammar.

Ventius Hozza

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

London, UK

Powerpuff Boys [PUFF]

R/

01 Oct 2005 at 15:39 - 17

Well, on the count of "mature gamers" and such, I'm 15 and a lot of my friends online are the same age and just above. Yes, we have laughs, but we don't do anything totally outrageous. It is true that the average age of a gamer is 18-24 (media coursework :P) but whats to say that 18-24 year olds are any more mature than younger people. I still consider myself mature even though I'm not as old as a "mature person" should be.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

01 Oct 2005 at 15:40 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by KvanCetre

Wait, if you thought they had an AFK player, why did you attack them?

i guess you missed this little detail about them waiting as fair play

Quote:

they responded that someone was AFK. So we said we will wait for him to return or start fighting 30sec before the timer runs out (what ever happens first). They said thx. We waited about 2 minutes until the time runs out and then attacked them

Mr Wolfmaster

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Hurricane Katrina Relief fund [Give]

Mo/

01 Oct 2005 at 15:45 - 19

I know how you feel, that uber sucks. The strange thing is I was recently in a game where we DID base camp cause we had someone afk...The group we fought wasnt even that good but we needed our worrier for our build to work. (and trust me he got a stern beating when he came back

) It's nice of you to wait but some people just have bad attitudes about gaming. I'm always into the spirt of good sportsmanship, but I'm one of the very few...

Mavrik

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

Alaska

01 Oct 2005 at 15:53 - 20

Trusting people online is very hard to do. You don't know them or who they really are as they hide behind a username. Its that simple. Now regardless of if they were aft or what not... when you all did fight, they still beat you. On that note, that has nothing to do with trust. They were better then you and thats all there is to it. Now was it fair for them to camp so far from your res point? No... not really. But then again... war isn't fought with intended advantages on your part to be given to the other team.

DTA my friend, Don't Trust Anyone. Next time someone says their aft in a PvP battle? to bad for them. Kill them. Next time they enter a live online battle and then decide to take a break.. they will remember what happened last time.

Guild wars is full of people you can't trust. from "I'm a healing monk" "I'll run you to droknar and if I fail, I'll give you your money back" to people selling "uber items" Trust yourself.

2_fingers

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/W

01 Oct 2005 at 16:49 - 21

of course, the literal parralel would be that to Card's "Enders game". There isnt such thing as fair play if u really need (want) to win.

Teufel Eldritch

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Shadar Logoth

The Legendary Majestic 12

N/

01 Oct 2005 at 17:28 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

A significant portion of those you're playing against are adolescents who play to bolster their frail self-esteem, so fair play is not something you should count on. In fact, they've developed a kind of philosophy that fair play is bad; playing fair means you don't care enough about winning, and so is not a serious player, and so is a n00b. For more info on this frame of mind, search for "leet".

Omg! so true.. so effing true.

Ristaron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Canada, eh?

Legion Of Valhalla

E/

01 Oct 2005 at 18:20 - 23

The only honour in the game is:
-Don't run in the arenas
-Don't diss other peoples' valiant efforts
-Don't drop unless you're impatient and it's clear the one person left in your team is not going to beat the 4 other people.

Everything else is up to you.
I regularly do the "Press F4 to get free faction!" thing in Tombs for fun (it's even funnier when someone is stupid enough to do it). That's not unfair, that's teaching people what the keyboard can do. I also kick a party member who has been AFK for 10 minutes despite having been with the team for several rounds. That's making way for others.
I dye farmed in presearing, that was purely because everyone else got dyes except my first character.

Scamming is a risk people expose themselves to when they don't do the game with friends. It's also not a scam if someone is willing to pay 25,000 gold for a max dmg chaos axe, that's getting the most for your items.
However, it is dishonourable to forego completing payments for runs.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

01 Oct 2005 at 19:04 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanji

Sneer and cuss all you want to about kids who don't care to follow an arbitrary code of honor in a video game, it won't change anything.

I sneered and cussed?

Quote:

Video games are still very much a kid thing, expecting maturity in it is a detriment to your ability to have fun.

I thought that was pretty much what I said.

Dax

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

02 Oct 2005 at 01:54 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

Actually, the average age of a gamer was in the 18-24 range, if I recall the study correctly. Still, not all male gamers in that range - not a whole lot actually - are very mature. Plain and simple, you should not trust anything a person says online, and take much caution. Many people play to win, and much less for fun.

Agreed it's not always the age. General rule of thumb I use is to trust no one. That doesn't mean you can't have fun, but take everything with a grain of salt.
It's just common sense.

But the bigger picture is this is why there are rules in games, because it is in people's nature to see how much they can get away with.
The more lax the rules are the more disorder there is going to be, and unfortunately GW is pretty lax.

Arturo02

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

See that third planet from the sun?

Sacred Forge Knights

R/Me

02 Oct 2005 at 02:49 - 26

last weekend in gvg our guild faced a team that had two people with the same name, except for like one letter. More ingenious then the afk trick but people will try anything.

oh and Ristaron, you forgot one...

always give a gg no matter the outcome.

Kazahana

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

SoCal

W/E

02 Oct 2005 at 10:05 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

Just a piece of advice: Pressing Alt-F4 or F12-Enter does not give you lots of ectos, gold, or uber stats. Letting you know beforehand.

however CTRL+SHIFT+H at the same time does

J/K