Leavers ... a possible fix

hopcraft

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

In several areas, both pve and pvp, you can run into trouble when someone quits your party. This can obviously spell doom for any serious match or long quest, whether the quit was due to legitmate or illegitimate reasons.

Although henchmen aren't perfect, they are always available. Why not have a rule that goes something like:

10 seconds after someone leaves, bring in a henchman
they will be of the same class
they will have the same death penalty and base health remaining
they will have the same exhaustion and base energy remaining

I doubt you could exactly duplicate the skill set (although if you could it would be neat), and you certainly are going to get the AI rather than a human (I realize this could be better or worse); but even the basic henchies that are in the pve/guild areas would be a whole lot better than nothing.

The nice thing here is this can apply everywhere ... random arenas, gvg battles (presumably quits here are computer related), quests, anything.

What say you, good people?

pappayaponta

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Europian Comando force

W/Mo

/signed

[FnG] Lazz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Fun 'n' Games

W/Mo

/signed

Jessy

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

If even a simple henchie replacement for leavers/quitters was implemented in this game, I might actually consider joining human groups again. A big /signed from me.

Precur

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2005

Magog, Qc .. Canada

SCUM

N/Me

/signed

Raven Of The Wind

Raven Of The Wind

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

Heart Of Winter

E/Me

/signed

xiuk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

[mupp]

E/Mo

/signed

The_Janitor

The_Janitor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

New Jersey

The Adventurer's Society [TAS]

Me/N

/signed

I hate quitters..

Stayfrosty

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Marduke guild

/signed

topdragon147

topdragon147

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Minnesota

Onslaught of Xen [XoO]

R/

/signed

it would be nice if we could have an exact copy (bot) of the person who left

Monseir

Monseir

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

IM da shiznit

The Shiznitz

W/Mo

/signed

widowdaballa

widowdaballa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

TeXaS

Xen of Onslaught [XoO] Xen Of Heroes Division

/signed

Alone)

Alone)

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Campbell, California

Legio Imortalii

W/Mo

/signed GREAT idea.

ERMC

ERMC

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/Me

best idea i read

/signed

poofighter

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

/signed

Nighteye

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

/signed

Oh, and they could duplicate the skill set...they do that already with the doppelganger.

They can even keep the name/appearance of the character that left, and merely tag (bot) or something after the name when replaced.

kawaii_bat

kawaii_bat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada, Gatineau

None

Mo/R

/signed

I had actually hoped they would implement this in the last update (apparently not )

Fantus

Fantus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

/signed

Mumoto

Mumoto

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

The Netherlands

N/Mo

Cool idea, but the same skills .... can cause bugs maybe, well we'll see ;p

A henchmen from the same class(same level) would be good ;p


Because if a tank quits the whole balance of the team will disappear and that will cause the rest of the people to die, unless there is an equal replacement for that quitter.

Kenect

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

UK

/signed

BellyFlop

BellyFlop

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

/Signed

PLUS i have read posts like this from the start, i dont think they will do anything about. they done it for pvp (tombs) but not pve, but

/Signed
/Signed

Maybe we get more luck this time.

Nigy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Seattle

/signed is there any reason this isnt already inplemented?

Bahumhat

Bahumhat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere

C A K E[YuM]

/signed

Really helps in PvP

John Bloodstone

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Requiem Lords

R/Me

Yep, good idea. Seen it mentioned before, but it certainly doesn't hurt to bring it up again.

Something else A.Net need to do is fix the damn warrior AI. Currently, they sprint right into mobs of enemies without any intervention from players. Henchmen are programmed to attack if you do, but warriors attack regardless of what the player does.

Ideally, we'd have a rejoin option as well for when we lag out, whereby the henchmen replacement would be kicked out and the player brought back into the game. Obviously within a sensible timeframe (3 mins or so).

oh, and /Signed

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

/signed

telarin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

/signed
and that should be an instant replacement, not after when you pass thru a new area. A hench which is the same class as the primary of the ppl who left would suffice, no need to copy all his skills. u know the doppleganger can be really dumb sometimes.

legandry

legandry

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Houston, Tejas

Morbidly Obese Terror Squad

E/Mo

/signed

... I'm not sure about the same skill set idea though... i'd be happy with just having Stefan instead of nobody.

One and Two

One and Two

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Is Stefan the one that randomly uses "CHARGE!" ?

lol. He'd be fun in the party, no?

anyways, /signed

Zhou Feng

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

CATS

Mo/Me

/signed

Im not sure if its possible to copy the leavers exact skillbar seeing as it require some sort of good data memory management everytime a player enters an instance. Still a henchie to replace a leaver is a good idea.

Just dont make it ten seconds more like 5 seconds...

Another thing Id like implemented:

Leaders ability to invite an outsider into the instance. Therefore a Leader could possibly invite a mate, guild or just advertise for a needed person then invite them and the person can "link" into the instance. Far-fetched I know. But would be a nice addition.

Drone Manthis

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2005

Malice

Mo/E

/Signed HARD!

I think this is one of the biggest problems facing PvE - and this solution would make a huge difference.

Hell, I think this is one of the reasons everyone is always RUSHING, and not taking in the sights, never chatting, etc; because they know the longer they take, the more chance there is someone will drop/leave and the chain reaction will begin.

Instant henchie replacement, at the very least, is a must. If a dropped person could reconnect and replace the henchie after that, well that would be a godsend.

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

/signed For Infathomable Great Justice.

Artemis89

Artemis89

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

/signed


I would like this because I always end up getting err=7, I log back in and the team will start swearing me out. This could solve the problem easily.

Drago Solaris

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Order Of Dragania

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhou Feng
Leaders ability to invite an outsider into the instance. Therefore a Leader could possibly invite a mate, guild or just advertise for a needed person then invite them and the person can "link" into the instance. Far-fetched I know. But would be a nice addition.
naa it would help rushing with the person using a full lvl 20 group to get to the enbd of a mission chosen person leaving and a new person coming in to get the mission withought any work

oops also

/signed

Doooom

Doooom

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

From Light/Of Darkness

N/E

/signed

simplest, best idea yet

J_V_H

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

W/E

/signed

Good idea though I would want to be able to rejoin back into a mission or quest because sometimes I get the error=7 thingy when playing Guild Wars. The team leader should be able to choose if the henchie comes in or not. I dont know about having dp and things like that for henchie because henchies are not that smart so they are already at a disadvantage anyways. Good idea though.

J_V_H

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

W/E

You know what I mean? Like a rejoin button or something.

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3095214#post3095214

Locking this thread, and all the other "Fix Leavers" threads in Sardelac, for the time being. When the new system is revealed, we'll look at it, look at these threads, and see if they need reopened or not. Until then, let's all be patient and see what we get.