A Sorry Tale

Ok call me an asshat, but im going ot break my own rule on not replying.


Maybe i got the wrong end of the stick, but thats exactly how it came across to me and others. The OP knew he made mistakes, i could see that was the point of the post (but in a humurous tone). What does shinsei's say....




yea really helpfull advice there, sorry but i dont think shinsei got the point of the post.

asshat mode off

What's wrong with the advice? Being a reply to a lighthearted post as you chose to label it, I chose to make a lighthearted and short reply. Since you continued to try to peal everything I've said in this thread from eachother, I then chose to make a lengthy and more detailed post with small tips on improval to follow up my original post, which you so elligantly chose to ignore. Now, can we please stop analysing what people say and start discussing the subject at hand?

pvp does not have to be for everyone my friend. thats why GW is awesome. you dont have to be bothered with it.

of course if you want, you can learn how to GvG. only problem is the learning curve of the slowest player will be reflected in the overall skill of the group.

That's not entirely the point. This is not about people who don't want to PvP, it's about people who want to get into PvP but are not yet experienced. It's also not about a single member of the group (other group members could take care about that and teach them in that case), it's about whole groups or guilds. The question at hand is, how could we make the learning curve a less painful experience for new PvPers to avoid the things described in the original post. I don't think telling them "get your butts whacked 180 times in a row" is a very good solution to that problem.

Someone already posted the solution here (sorry I forgot your name and I'm too lazy to look for it :/):

The ultimate solution is guilds. Many good guilds are running a second guild just to teach less expierenced people how to PvP. You can play unranked GvG, get into organized tombs groups...

But you must be willingly to learn - and you have to accept that you are a beginner. Most people can't accept this...

No problem.

Another real solution is ANet introducing Unranked Random.

This way, safe to get beaten up and you don't have to take it so seriously unless you want to.

Hell I would run my 8 healing monks for fun.

One of the most funny and intelligent posts i've read.

Your'e pointing my reason not to get in PvP (there is no way to learn from a 5 second deaths everytime you go there) and that in a way i couldn't even guess.

thank you

This is rather a "quick and dirty" fix then an actual solution. It does fix the problem for unguilded players who want to get into PvP, but it doesn't really fix it for whole guilds who want to learn it as a team. It does also not fix it for anyone not wishing to leave their current guild.

The ultimate solution would be called "leagues". That has worked in real life sports pretty much since the stone age.

i guess it was a polite way of saying if you keep getting spanked over and over and over your team is stupid and you need to find a new one. i started the game the day the game went gold with my wifes guild which had 10 players. we made it to the top 500 without any help from outside the guild whatsoever. thats from pre searing to ranked. we all learned from our mistakes. thats what life is about.

yes, we got spanked hard on the way up. we even got guild lord ganked by ab. yes it took a while. yes it was hard. no it was not impossible. quite fun actually.

not making of OP in any way shape or form. just saying there are 2 options.

play pve and love it.

play pvp and learn it. learning hurts in GW.

op, if you seriously want to learn how to GvG pm me in game. friends me and use my nick here. i have an empty guild hall i can help school you with.

I've only done about 3 GvG's with my guild, and I figured out what to do on the second try. We won 1 battle and it was all good. We haven't done it since, but we might try again this weekend. I'm not sure why your Guild fell apart because of losing. Most PvE'rs dont care about rank or fame anyways.

Gah.. I hate GvG just because of the fact that it doesn't really explain much of what to do beforehand. I feel your pain.. :/

Learn from the past
that what got me to where i am
if u are available 2morrow friday CA time..
pst Signet of Humility
ill help u via Team Arenas ^^

as far as pvp for beginners, how about comp arenas and team arenas. that stuff is pretty laid back and you can just take a team in there and gain experience slowly before you dive into gvg. and your team should have settled all of that stuff about target calling and rank beforehand. its never best to rush those kinds of things if you want to win. explain to everyone how to call and target, how to follow it, and what to do to it and when. once everyone knows, you will do much better. it just takes some patience.

ANet has already talked about why there aren't more PvP groups and options. They want to keep the PvP types available full of players. If they start splitting it even further, some types would never have enough players in it.

Think about it... if there was a "pro" and "minor" Tombs tournament, all the faction farmers and griefers would flock to the minor one, totally ruining it. So you'd have an underpopulated "pro" league and a minor league full of bots, griefers, and farmers. And among the hoard would be people truly trying to learn PvP.

So what's their option? Go to the "pro" league. What happens there? They get spanked... constantly, utterly, and repeatedly. Sure a few will learn and adapt, but the rest will say to hell with it and the population there will drop even further.

The system works the way it does for most people, and I think ANet should leave it be.

OMG! I'm laughing too hard to read the rest of the thread.

I think this negative effect would be at least partially if not totally compensated by those players who would want to get into PvP but currently don't because it's too frustrating for them to learn. We have at least 3-5 players of this type in my guild. They are very experienced in PvE but not PvP, and the few times they tried it was too frustrating for them, so they gave up again. If PvP would be made more accessible for them, more players would play PvP at all.

Who says that the reward/faction awarded has to be the same in both leagues? A higher reward would keep the "pros" in their league. Also playing in "pro" league could be made mandatory for high ranked players/guilds, too. Manchaster United can't play in minor leagues, too.

It does work for hardcore PvPers and competitive oriented players. It does not really work at all for casual and fun oriented players. Which is a very good reason to change it, because GW is AIMED at casual players.

What about a limitation on the minor tomb like only people under R3 can participate ? At least beguinner could have a start

Firstly, let me say thank you to everyone who replied to this thread. There are some first-rate suggestions in there which will receive close attention, not just by me but my many other would-be PvP'ers.

On a personal note, I will never aspire to the heights of the dedicated people who live and breathe PvP, as I feel that I am a little too pacifistic for that. My wife says I am just too old, but I prefer to think of it as being chronologically-challenged. I dread to think what would happen if I rooted out my microphone (not seen since the computer was delivered) and installed Teamspeak or something. Her tolerant amusement would vanish very quickly if all she could hear coming from the next room was screams of instructions followed by screams of rage.

"TARGET THE MESMER!!! TARGET THE MESMER!!! QUICK!! Noooooooooooo! I'm dead!! Hello ground. We meet again"

Perhaps Anet should set up an 'Incompetents League' where total noobs can learn basics like 'How To Find Your Guildhall Exit' and 'Why Lava Flows Are Bad For Your Feet'. I would join it like a shot. Experienced teachers could wander amongst us, explaining gently that hitting someone with a flag is a bad idea, and that the Guild Lord that you are trying to attack is your own. Mind you, they would need the patience of a saint and very thick skin. "Its all YOUR fault! You distracted me!"

But its all good fun in the end, and I love playing this game. Just remember - next time you see me in PvP, I AM NOT A THREAT! Please leave me until last *sob*!

Aaaaahahahahahahah, so hilarious. Please keep us updated about your progress.

On a side note: my cat likes to walk in front of the monitor as well... their animal instincts tell them the right moment to screw up their owner's game.

LOL, the thought of a level 6 warrior in PvP just cracks me up. Funny post

Duly, once again you brought tears to my eyes with laughter. I have been woken up many a night by my husband shouting into his computer mike (usually Battlefield 2, lol). On another note, you could try getting your wife hooked on Guild Wars and team up with her. :P

hmm..that doesn't always work either, as my husband and I usually end up in a fight at the end of a PvP session...it's usually "my fault" the team died (I'm the monk) and I get mad at him because he didn't protect me from getting squooshed, lol. It's all fun, though, and that's why we play the game.

We're definitely not die hard PvPers, but we take it seriously enough to always try to improve what we've got...just to see if we can do it. Who knows...maybe one day...

Thanks again for the laugh, you're definitely an asset to this board.

Some people have too much time on their hands

As a matter of fact, many years ago, my wife and I both played one of the early text-based PvP Muds. I left it when she became more popular than I was! She was a social player, although I am none too sure exactly what that involved. While I was busy dying (nothing new there then), I used to hear a lot of giggles coming from the other computer. Something to do with black-stockings, although I would imagine they made for very poor armor.

Taking the advice of some of the other posters in this thread, I decided that learning more about PvP in a more relaxed environment would be a Good Thing. So I made a PvP character for the Competition Arenas. A monk naturally, but I used Low Cunning and made her female and as small as possible (so as to be able to hide behind pillars better). This does not work! I can't believe that people would pick on a poor little female - but they do! Rather like Neanderthals on the rampage ("Duh. Monk. Kill!") everybody heads straight for me, leaving me just two choices. Stand and fight. And die. Or run. And die. Of course, my team don't bring res signets, and as soon as we lose they call each other "Noobs!" and leave.

I want an invisibility spell! Or a bodyguard! How does Wroth Yakslapper last so long against me and 5 henchmen using just Orison of Healing??? It sure doesn't work for me. I frantically spam Healing Touch, Healing Breeze and Reversal of Fortune until my finger hurts, but of course I am out of energy and collapse in a heap.

Maybe I should bring out my Hammer Warrior, but he is a Leroy of the worst type ("Have Hammer, Will Hit Things") and I feel he is temperamentally unsuited for teamwork. Unless we make a team composed entirely of Leroy's and all charge the same target...

Thats what I love about GW. So many options! Where was I? Oh yes.... CHAAAAARGE!

I think different levels of PvP competitions are a good idea.

Just link it with your total faction earned, like:

0-1000 faction << lowest
1001-3000 faction<< comes after that
3001-10000 faction<< the second level
10001+ faction<< highest of the highest

This should be linked to the total of faction earned, not that you can spend some and then return to the lowest

This all would give everyone some time to learn this all.

Ofcourse the faction needed for the levels can be changed

And about the first post; very funny indeed

1)nice story, well written
2)people who are "unskilled" at gvg or pvp, learn from your mistakes
3)lock your cat in the bathroom when ur on the computer

And your avatar's a perfect example of that

*heh* he isn't being mean - he knows me in RL and is poking fun at me.

Well, if you have a Leeroy, I would say go make yourself a PvP IWAY warrior and play in Tombs. At the very least, you'll learn that there are a LOT of anti-warrior skills in this game.

I never said I wasn't one of them

Ya i used to hate the pvp aspect because i never knew what i was doing.
Until i decided to research some basic/standard builds and tried to learn the strengths of them before adding my own flavour to them. The pvp in gw is amazing, and i encourage any pve only players, like i was, to test it for now im pvp only

Nice post ._.

A loss in PvP shouldn't by any means split up any friendships and keep you from speaking with one another. Despite what many people enjoy saying, PvP isn't all about winning. It's part of the game, and the game is there for people to have fun. If you have fun when you PvP, it was worth your time and effort.

The most fun I've ever had in this game, was the first time me and some old guildies ran into one of the wurms in the shiverpeaks outside beacon's perch, it tore us apart so quickly I couldn't believe myself, and there were many many hilarious moments filled with beer and obscene words, it was the most fun I've ever had in this game, and we got our ass kicked. Other times we'd go in and GvG just for the hell of it, we weren't concerned about our rank, about winning, or any of that, we just wanted to have fun. I personally hate PvP in this game because unless you care to plan out everything before the match, and are only concerned about winning, you won't find many people to have fun with. I personally believe people should play whatever they enjoy playing the most, but uh...a lot of people will disagree with that, because it doesn't bring you loads of fame without having to use any skill.

If you think it's fun being a corpse, by all means go do it. Some guildies and mine turn shit like that into ongoing jokes, and it was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed getting our asses kicked so long as it was funny. A win brings you faction and not much else, a hilarious loss with a party of drunken idiots gives you some damn good memories.

You get the idea, a loss = no big deal. Make the most out of what you can and have fun doing it.

hehe, good post. honestly, im not a big fan of unrated random gvg because u could be facing the rank 1 team when ur rank 50000. i prefer to set up battles against friend's guilds, it's fun and everybody enjoys it. in the future just make sure you have all level 20's- or at least good people that you trust. about the UW/ FoW thing, that happened to me several times beafore i got the message (sad ain't it?)

i am about like the OP, i am totally lost in pvp, i do the random arenas occasionally, but i wont do any gvg now, its to much complaining from the other people, i remember the first time i tried it, back in my old guild, i just said anyone could come with us, preferably with their character they did best with, well we did have a couple low levels with us, i think one of em may have been 6, we did 2 battles,

battle #1, some korean guild whose names i couldnt even read, they spoke a little bit of english, they were as lost as us, we were all running everywhere, it was 1 on 1 battles all over the place, every once in a while someone would charge a guild lord(by themselves) and get mangled by archers, the battle lasted for like an hour then we finally gave up, both sides were saying good game to each other, then we left

battle #2, some american guild, we got totally destroyed, they were all level 20, the warriors were using HAMMERS! who can imagine? and damn they knock you down alot! we lasted about a minute and a half, then they started calling us names, using profanity, so we leave, then we start getting whispered with the same type of nonsence, all because we gave them an easy win, so i havent done any gvg since, i readily admit i am new at pvp, and i suck at pvp, but i really dont feel like being called names because of it

also did the UW/fissure thing, luckily i was in an EXPERIENCED group(which i claimed to be also) so i didnt get killed too much, just when the big black things came over to smash my head off now and then, at least it was quick and painless

This actually is THE PvP problem in GW. There are so many immature kids out there who just don't know how to behave. Sometimes I wish there was a way to electrocute someone over the internet so I could give those rude name callers a healthy dose of high voltage. I can't even begin to describe how much I hate those name callers. If I had a dollar for every idiot player in GW, I could quit my job....