Stone Immortal

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

Heh, got bored. Started playing mix and match with skills.
Got this. Health never dropped below 300. The other party
got bored with the futility and left. Easiest faction ever.
First off, the bar.

Left to right;
Kinetic Armor
Magnetic Aura
Armor of Earth
Blood Renewal
Demonic Flesh
Ether Renewal (E)
Aura of Restoration
Earth Attunement

Point distribution
16 En Storage 12+Sup Rune+ Headpiece
Blood Magic 10
Earth Magic 13 9+Sup Rune

Start off with AoR and ErAt, then proceed to spam the hell out
of everything. If your health gets low (somehow) use Ether Renewal
and resume spamming.

Forseeable Drawbacks:
Backfire
Interrupts
Enchantment Removal (Somewhat)

Screens of the build in action.




Discuss.

Schorny

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

How exactly do you plan to do damage?

Just a lame anti-team build. You seem to have too much time... Hopefully you will get bored quickly and start using player skill to win battles.

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schorny
How exactly do you plan to do damage?

Just a lame anti-team build. You seem to have too much time... Hopefully you will get bored quickly and start using player skill to win battles. I've tried that, and I'm sick of applying skill against FotM builds and
getting my ass kicked. So I shall stoop to their level.

Besides, this build can take a beating from an entire IWAY team.

Schorny

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
I've tried that, and I'm sick of applying skill against FotM builds and
getting my ass kicked. So you admit you are not good enough?

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

If that's what you wanna call it then sure.

Guizzy

Guizzy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quebec

Me/E

I had one of these kind of build as a Me/E.

12 Earth, 8 inspiration, rest in Fast Cast.

Earth Attunement
Stone Daggers
Arcane Echo
Obsidian Flesh
Armor of Earth
Kinetic Armor (that was before it even became worthwhile)
Ether Feast
Ressurection Signet

What did I do on the field? Well, as I appeared as a mesmer, I did attract a lot of hate at the start of the fight, which I could. With Stone Daggers, I could annoy a caster or two. That's about it. Oh, and I could steal a small amount of mana. There are better things to do with a character slot for any team than this.

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

There are worse things to do with a character slot as well.

The point of this build is to perpetuate any group.

7 IWAY'ing W/R's can't do more than 4-6 damage a crack
against it.

Enchantment removal simply slows it, not completely
stopping it.

Interrupts aren't as effective because no skill here is so blatantly
vital that a stopped cast will cripple you.

It restores it's own health, it replenishes it's own energy. It's designed
to outlast. Plain and simple.

Mr Jazzy

Mr Jazzy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Cali

Mending For The [win]

W/A

lame build, only good in pve and definitely not pvp. you have too much time to waste

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jazzy
lame build, only good in pve and definitely not pvp. you have too much time to waste Yeah, worthless in PvP. That's why there's victory shots from a 4V4
in the first two posts....

Lord Tekster

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/Mo

my me/n would rape this build
lingering curse +backfire+diversion+energy burn and a few interrupts

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

Remind me again, what does Lingering Curse do?

Arathorn5000

Arathorn5000

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Xen of Onslaught Ladder [XoO]

First of all, 4v4 isn't really full of fotm builds, so that argument is pointless. Second of all, this build wouldn't stand a chance in 8v8. It's a griefer build for 4v4 that won't even work if there is a decent necro, mesmer, or ranger against you.

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

Eh, it's got problems. All builds do. It's netted me almost 1,000 faction
today in 4on4 and I figured I'd throw it out on the forums for other people.

Use it or don't, doesn't bother me.

Arathorn5000

Arathorn5000

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Xen of Onslaught Ladder [XoO]

The problem isn't that it has weaknesses. All builds do. The problem is that it's simply a griefer build. You contribute nothing to your team, you can't even res peoeple. Your whole goal with this build is to annoy the other team into leaving...

kawaii_bat

kawaii_bat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada, Gatineau

None

Mo/R

Just add in a Price of failure in that skill bar and you would RULE!

Effigy

Effigy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Illinois, US

Heroes of Talia [HoT]

Mo/

Besides that, the fact that it took you 12 minutes just to get one win shows that it's ineffective. The same thing could be accomplished in 2-3 minutes with a proactive build.

audioaxes

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arathorn5000
First of all, 4v4 isn't really full of fotm builds, so that argument is pointless. Second of all, this build wouldn't stand a chance in 8v8. It's a griefer build for 4v4 that won't even work if there is a decent necro, mesmer, or ranger against you. exactly
nothing more annoying that coming across idiots who run stupid builds that are only intended to grief other players in random arenas, including your own teammate. You are not helping your team kill, you are not aiding/healing your team.
I can think of a dozen griefer builds in which i could tank off an entire team or run away endlessly but ill never even think about trying them because you have to be one pathetic loser to do so.

Nightwish

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
Eh, it's got problems. All builds do. It's netted me almost 1,000 faction
today in 4on4 and I figured I'd throw it out on the forums for other people.

Use it or don't, doesn't bother me. And happens that many ppl read this build and actually put it to use in arena. What happens? Both teams cant seem to kill each other and call it quits

kawaii_bat

kawaii_bat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada, Gatineau

None

Mo/R

I use this build:

E/N
Earth
Energy storage
Curse

Aura of Restauration
Earth attunement
Ward against melee
Armor of earth
Magnetic aura
Price of failure
Spiteful spirit
Mark of pain

Weapon: A Earth staff with enchantment(20%) mod on it.

It still is annoying to warriors, not as good against ranged or spellcasters.
but it certainly pull its weight around at least.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
Forseeable Drawbacks:
Backfire
Interrupts
Enchantment Removal (Somewhat) I really like the build, no matter what the others say. Chances are, as a caster, you will be targeted early and often, so if you can sit there and tank before the other group realizes it or wises up to it, you've actually saved some of your fellow team members from dying.

This is ABSOLUTELY the weak point of the build (and any build that is based on enchantments and/or constant spell casting. Chances are a team in the Tombs is not going to "forget" to take one of these three. And once they do, as with all immortal builds, you won't be immortal for very long. That's why the "I will kill you before you kill me" builds are much more appealing. But, if played right as a feint, this could be very valuable to a team.

Nightwish

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetdoc
I really like the build, no matter what the others say. Chances are, as a caster, you will be targeted early and often, so if you can sit there and tank before the other group realizes it or wises up to it, you've actually saved some of your fellow team members from dying.

This is ABSOLUTELY the weak point of the build (and any build that is based on enchantments and/or constant spell casting. Chances are a team in the Tombs is not going to "forget" to take one of these three. And once they do, as with all immortal builds, you won't be immortal for very long. That's why the "I will kill you before you kill me" builds are much more appealing. But, if played right as a feint, this could be very valuable to a team.
I would rather enjoy myself in a war of "I will kill you before you kill me" builds than having torture myself in an unending battle of "I will outlast you" builds..

But if you have all the time in the world to do dat, oh well..what can I say

Eonwe

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

New Jersey

Idiot Savants

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
Yeah, worthless in PvP. That's why there's victory shots from a 4V4
in the first two posts.... Sorry, but that gave me a good laugh.

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Nova Alliance

Me/

I dont understand all the hating going on in this thread.

Are you mad because the build works? If so, that's just stupid.

If you're mad because its a griefer build. Too bad, you lost one 4 vs 4 battle. If you were overly concerned about faction, you wouldnt be in the Random Arenas.

As for this build not helping anyone, well if she annoys the other team into quitting, its free Faction for my dead ass. Who cares if I get rezzed or not.

Eonwe

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

New Jersey

Idiot Savants

To put it bluntly, there's a lot of hate because the build is pure shit.

wheel

wheel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Topeka, Kansas

Tyrian Fo Lyfe [word]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
I dont understand all the hating going on in this thread.

Are you mad because the build works? If so, that's just stupid.

If you're mad because its a griefer build. Too bad, you lost one 4 vs 4 battle. If you were overly concerned about faction, you wouldnt be in the Random Arenas.

As for this build not helping anyone, well if she annoys the other team into quitting, its free Faction for my dead ass. Who cares if I get rezzed or not. this is a griefer build and nothing else. but if you think about it, it's actually costing MORE FACTION to EVERYONE involved because it makes the matches take unnecessarily longer. he's stupidly earning less faction because his matches take forever, and the other team earns less faction because they have to deal with him.

the build only keeps you alive, and it's not that good at doing it, anyway. that's great, but who cares? thanks for the tip, i can spend 10-15 minutes per match waiting until the other team leaves, or i can play a 2-4 minute match and win 90% of the time. let's see, which is more effective?

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Nova Alliance

Me/

Apparently your bitchiness is the most effective thing you have.

What you're saying in that whole post is just what I had asked in mine.

If you're mad because it works, that's just stupid.

JYX

JYX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
Besides, this build can take a beating from an entire IWAY team.
Thats just not true.
Quote: Originally Posted by Sister Rosette The point of this build is to perpetuate any group. For...all of 10 secs before they stop hitting you? If you want to perpetuate a group go play monk.
Quote: Originally Posted by Sister Rosette 7 IWAY'ing W/R's can't do more than 4-6 damage a crack against it. Thats just not true. Even if it were...why are 7 IWAY'ing W/R hitting you?
Quote: Originally Posted by Sister Rosette Enchantment removal simply slows it, not completely
stopping it. No, enchant removal and a swift axe to the face stops it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
Eh, it's got problems. All builds do. Not all builds have problems this glaring. You're making a big assumption in 8v8 that everyone will target you, that won't be the case and especially after about 10 seconds or immediately if they happen see what you're casting. In 4v4, well, even if you do manage to outlast everyone, the rewards in doing so are small.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
It's netted me almost 1,000 faction I'm trying hard to put away those zings. 1000 faction in a day is absolutely nothing. Think about the faction per minute on this thing with no DPS. Its terrible, if you're relying on other people to leave for faction then thats seriously misguided. Not only are you missing out on the bonuses of the kill. Not only that, but even though theres very few skilled people in Random Arena...there are lots of very...very...stubborn guys. Waiting 45 mins for everyone to leave so I can get my 25 faction...thats dosen't do anything for me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eonwe
To put it bluntly, there's a lot of hate because the build is pure shit. Mad props to my crude crude friend here ^^;

Commodore_Mcawesome

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dignity Glory Strength [DGS]

If you don't like the build because of what it does, then get the hell out of here. You don't belong in this thread. You belong in happy fun land where everyone is great to each other and that last ranger doesn't run away instead of fighting.

I personally hate runners and builds like this that try to win by "outlasting" everyone else to the point where they give up. But I'm not about to be an ass and make assumptions or insults towards the OP. Like I said, if you don't have something constructive to say, then you'd probably be better off clicking that big X at the top right of the screen.

I'd rather see reasons why this build is ineffective (in what it sets out to do, which is, from what I garnered, to survive - not to gain faction) than pig-headed blathering.

Sorry guys, but I'm in Arcanis' boat here.

AtomicMew

AtomicMew

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

N/A

You can have nearly the same tankage ability with one monk protection elite. And you won't be complete shit to your team.

As far as greifer builds go, there are much much better anyway.

Arathorn5000

Arathorn5000

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Xen of Onslaught Ladder [XoO]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Commodore_Mcawesome
I'd rather see reasons why this build is ineffective (in what it sets out to do, which is, from what I garnered, to survive - not to gain faction) than pig-headed blathering. The problem is that the 'what it sets out to do' part is ineffective. If your other 3 members win while you use this build, they would have won faster if you were using a good build. If they lose, then your only chance of winning is if no one on the other team has good enchantment removal (probably the case in 4v4, absolutely not the case in 8v8), no one has good interrupt power (now you're on sketchy ground, there are a ton of interrupt rangers and mesmers these days in 4v4), and then you just have to wait until they give up. So in essence, all you contribute to your team is a backup strategy to last the 1-45 minutes it takes for the other team to get bored and quit out.

If 'tanking' were possible in PvP, meaning having the enemy attack the person on your team that's set up to be hard to kill, then this build might be useful. However, even if people go for you because you're a soft target, they'll quickly notice that you have 0 damage output, aren't healing your teammates or assisting them in any way, and are generally useless. They'll quickly switch to a better target. Even people who aren't very skilled know that if they can't kill someone they should try attacking someone else.

So the main problem is that almost no one is stupid enough to keep trying to kill you while your other team members are alive....yet there are plenty of people stupid (or competitive?) enough to enjoy playing "the waiting game", putting off your tiny faction reward off even further.

It's a garbage build, because not only will it piss off your enemies and teammates, but it also has a very slow faction gain. The only redeeming factor is that it's sometimes fun to feel invincible, and this build will accomplish that in many 4v4 games; but as a real pvp build, it's rather useless.

coldslammer

coldslammer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

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W/Mo

having kinetik armor and reversal alone stops pesky IWAY kids.

Schorny

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
It's netted me almost 1,000 faction
today in 4on4 Sorry to say, but you could have earned much more faction by playing an offensive build.

1,000 faction is really nothing nowadays. You get 4*20 + 25 = 105 faction per win. So 1,000 faction is 10 wins. Let's say you win only 30% of all matches and we don't count the faction you get when you loose:

on average a fight lasts (let's be pessemistic) 6 minutes. That is 10 fights per hour. You will get (worst of the worst cases) 400 faction per hour.

You will get about 50 faction per hour with your defense build.

You can't improve the 50 faction per hour you get with your defense build, but you can improve the 400 faction you get with a normal build.

Mr Jazzy

Mr Jazzy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Cali

Mending For The [win]

W/A

i can win 1,000 faction with the paladin premade, that doesn't mean its good

smurfhunter

smurfhunter

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

my w/mo uses mending, orison, and healing breeze. you cant kill him.

Sand Scorpions [SS]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jazzy
i can win 1,000 faction with the paladin premade, that doesn't mean its good idk if i ever played the premade paladin id probably be in the hospital from laughing before i could get 500 faction =/

Nightwish

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
Apparently your bitchiness is the most effective thing you have.

What you're saying in that whole post is just what I had asked in mine.

If you're mad because it works, that's just stupid.
Hahaha..so you saying some of us here are stupid for being mad with a build that works by wasting people's time?

Yes, I suppose you think gaining factions faster is stupid and being considerate with others' time is stupid as well.

Maybe we should rename Guild Wars to The War of Patience, huh?

FrogDevourer

FrogDevourer

on a GW break until C4

Join Date: Feb 2005

In your shadow

Servants of Fortuna

Good turtle build. Congratulations if it works. It's probably more tricky than the average turtle w/mo.

Now you can proceed to lesson 2: how can I can actually play the game and win instead of looking for a draw.

Shinsei

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Denmark

It's not that hard to make stalemate buids for 4v4. The only problem I have with the OP is the way he's making himself look like an ass while taunting the other team in the screenshots.

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinsei
It's not that hard to make stalemate buids for 4v4. The only problem I have with the OP is the way he's making himself look like an ass while taunting the other team in the screenshots.
And you didn't consider that maybe I was just being an ass so people
would leave faster?

Besides, it was a test. Nothin' more. You guys are all having a conniption
fit about how stupid this build is, yet you post pad the thread by saying
the same things over and over. So whatever. Enjoy. I've already tweaked
the secondary class of the build and make a new test charater. So enjoy
continuing to shithole the build, I've moved on.

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

oh please your all just mad cause your going to encounter this from now on.

Enfeeble is much better for them only doing 7dmg...

Warrios are like WTF waaaaaaa
necros should always carry this... seince most likely your their first target.

I bet this build makes spikers cry in there sleep, good fun!