A suggestion for ectos and shards
Chicken_Bones
thx to solo monks farming UW and Fow for ectos and shards, maybe Anet should give out ectos and shards as rewards for doing the quests in the areas instead of dropping them from mobs. What do you guys think?
Caleb
If you don't want to kill the monsters in hopes of getting a drop, Anet has already placed in the game a second option for collecting the materials.
Rare material trader.
This is akin to asking for gold max damage weapons and unidentified superior runes as quest rewards, as after all us evil farming monks are farming for those as well.
Rare material trader.
This is akin to asking for gold max damage weapons and unidentified superior runes as quest rewards, as after all us evil farming monks are farming for those as well.
Ranger Li
No.
People Don't WANT Ecto to drop same for shards, FoW and these are not supposed to be easily gotten items, maybe the 'poorer' for lack of words of the populace will agree with you but This would devalue FoW and for those who had spent the 1.5 million or so to GET it , it would be Very annoying and i myself would complaign.
If u have not noticed the quest are re-doable , so why not just do them for 5 days and get it? pointless isnt it? FoW is supposed to be achieved through hardwork and A.net created this by basically static that this IS the cream of the crop, this IS the caviar on your table, its not meant to be made easiar to get, only harder.
And don't counter-argue saying that you're just mad cause u didnt have a solo monk, i did, it was fun, but id rather work hard for what Ecto is for - FoW- not just to make the poor rich and the rich richer
People Don't WANT Ecto to drop same for shards, FoW and these are not supposed to be easily gotten items, maybe the 'poorer' for lack of words of the populace will agree with you but This would devalue FoW and for those who had spent the 1.5 million or so to GET it , it would be Very annoying and i myself would complaign.
If u have not noticed the quest are re-doable , so why not just do them for 5 days and get it? pointless isnt it? FoW is supposed to be achieved through hardwork and A.net created this by basically static that this IS the cream of the crop, this IS the caviar on your table, its not meant to be made easiar to get, only harder.
And don't counter-argue saying that you're just mad cause u didnt have a solo monk, i did, it was fun, but id rather work hard for what Ecto is for - FoW- not just to make the poor rich and the rich richer
Sekkira
I think he means like say two ecto for the first quest as a reward or something like that and the deeper you go with quests you may get more.
beleg curudin
That would be good since I like to say "I have fissure armor because I am skilled" and go around saying "I have fissure armor because I farm griffons non stop for hours. 
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I would love to get fissure armor but the only way to get ecto and shards effectively is to buy them. Going into fissure you might get 2 shards* for every complete. And thats if everyone stays to complete the entire thing. Thusly you might actually get 1 shard every 3 runs. so thats abot 300 runs to get 100 shards or ecto. And in those 300 runs how long does it take? about 4 hours to get that one ecto? how many times did you fail a run because of the pugs inabilty to work together? or when the monk died he dropped, or one of your warriors went afk leaving you without a tank? or how long did it take you to form that good group? Now if you were that dedicated would suggest doing griffon farming. 15k every 13 runs. Which get extremly redundent and needs inhuman dedication to repeatedly do it. But it will get you that ecto alot faster, and you build your funds instead of wasting them. and there is the better chance to get yourself a nice weapon that you would eventually gone out for.
The only way to have the armor as a skill statis icon is to have a guild team of 8 go in and give every ecto and shard to the one person. But not a guilds can give that time nor are people that selfless.
In summary I find this idea fantastic. Since there is four reasons people go to fissure chance at max damage chaos axe, chance at shard, EXP, and the armor itself. 3 reason for UW, chance for ecto, chance for spider, and EXP.
" I would love to get fissure armor but the only way to get ecto and shards effectively is to buy them. Going into fissure you might get 2 shards* for every complete. And thats if everyone stays to complete the entire thing. Thusly you might actually get 1 shard every 3 runs. so thats abot 300 runs to get 100 shards or ecto. And in those 300 runs how long does it take? about 4 hours to get that one ecto? how many times did you fail a run because of the pugs inabilty to work together? or when the monk died he dropped, or one of your warriors went afk leaving you without a tank? or how long did it take you to form that good group? Now if you were that dedicated would suggest doing griffon farming. 15k every 13 runs. Which get extremly redundent and needs inhuman dedication to repeatedly do it. But it will get you that ecto alot faster, and you build your funds instead of wasting them. and there is the better chance to get yourself a nice weapon that you would eventually gone out for.
The only way to have the armor as a skill statis icon is to have a guild team of 8 go in and give every ecto and shard to the one person. But not a guilds can give that time nor are people that selfless.
In summary I find this idea fantastic. Since there is four reasons people go to fissure chance at max damage chaos axe, chance at shard, EXP, and the armor itself. 3 reason for UW, chance for ecto, chance for spider, and EXP.
Reiden Argrock
even if they did make ecto or shards quest rewards.. you would still have all the same problems.. the same reason a group isn't good enough to have a good run, would be the same reason they wouldn't be good enough to beat the quest... I enjoy the fact that not everyone has FoW armor, with the exception of monks.. but hey, if they all want to look the same thats their business.. I say take shards and ecto off the traders to.
lg5000
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Originally Posted by beleg curudin
Going into fissure you might get 2 ecto for every complete.
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On the more positive, I agree with you, getting fissure armor shows you're rich, not skilled. And.. until a very recent decision to consider the female fissure warrior armor, all ecto and shards I picked up went to my boyfriend, cause I had no use for it and he's saving up for it.
rsx
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Originally Posted by Ranger Li
No.
People Don't WANT Ecto to drop same for shards, FoW and these are not supposed to be easily gotten items, maybe the 'poorer' for lack of words of the populace will agree with you but This would devalue FoW and for those who had spent the 1.5 million or so to GET it , it would be Very annoying and i myself would complaign. If u have not noticed the quest are re-doable , so why not just do them for 5 days and get it? pointless isnt it? FoW is supposed to be achieved through hardwork and A.net created this by basically static that this IS the cream of the crop, this IS the caviar on your table, its not meant to be made easiar to get, only harder. And don't counter-argue saying that you're just mad cause u didnt have a solo monk, i did, it was fun, but id rather work hard for what Ecto is for - FoW- not just to make the poor rich and the rich richer |
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by lg5000
Wow, you're finding ecto in fissure??
On the more positive, I agree with you, getting fissure armor shows you're rich, not skilled. And.. until a very recent decision to consider the female fissure warrior armor, all ecto and shards I picked up went to my boyfriend, cause I had no use for it and he's saving up for it. |
I think that statement is a little harsh. Prehaps the monks who just soloed it when it was beyond easy, they merely knew how to read instructions in a thread. I don't think it's fair to immediately assume anyone running around in fow armour isn't skilled.
Personally I see the armour as a sense of achievement, not wealth. Who cares about wealth in a game of skill?
lg5000
Cool, didn't know that, then again, my experience with fissure is very limited.
And.. it is a symbol of wealth more than skill, anyone can copy a farming build and get the money required that way, it doesn't require skill.
Skill itself, only comes into play in getting to the forge master, and even then, I'm willing to bet that someone is willing to let you tag along for the ride.
I do enjoy the fact that if you see someone in fissure armor, you're guranteed that they're ascended.
And.. it is a symbol of wealth more than skill, anyone can copy a farming build and get the money required that way, it doesn't require skill.
Skill itself, only comes into play in getting to the forge master, and even then, I'm willing to bet that someone is willing to let you tag along for the ride.
I do enjoy the fact that if you see someone in fissure armor, you're guranteed that they're ascended.
Shanaeri Rynale
Fissure armor is the the only PvE emote in the game
RTSFirebat
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Fissure armor is the the only PvE emote in the game
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beleg curudin
It acts as an emote on the /rank side of things. /rank +9 shows that you are a very good pvper, and/or dedicated. The fissure armor shows that you have deep pockets and/or are skilled and dedicated.
Shanaeri Rynale
yes, forgot to add an IMHO at the end as it came across sounding arrogant. It was ment to be more of a contemplative statement. I.e PvP people have tigers etc. PvE'ers have nothing to show for hours in the game other than different clothes.
Now i know a heck of a lot of good players(most of them better than me) and the vast majority dont have fow armor. Hence the emote thought, an emote does'nt mean you are a better player all it means you have taken the time to obtain it.
Hope that sort of clarifies things
Now i know a heck of a lot of good players(most of them better than me) and the vast majority dont have fow armor. Hence the emote thought, an emote does'nt mean you are a better player all it means you have taken the time to obtain it.
Hope that sort of clarifies things
EAT U ALIVE
Getting fissure armor does mean in a way that you are skilled, because you ovbiously had skill to get all of that gold.. I currently have two fissure armors, I farmed non-stop! But it really pays off in the end. also, all the people who discriminate fissure for some wild reason shouldn't do that. I just think they are jealous they can't get all that money, they just give up on it, or don't have the patience to farm, and i guarentee that if they all had the money then they would buy themselves fow armor. But they still say they always have "something better to waste there money on." All im saying is it does take skill to get it and most of the people that have it are very elite and actually know what there doing.
Sister Rosette
I can see it now...
The Ambassador's Quarry:
Reward:
500 Experience
Smiting Staff (9-11 Req. 3 Smiting Prayers)
5 Globs of Ectoplasm
The Ambassador's Quarry:
Reward:
500 Experience
Smiting Staff (9-11 Req. 3 Smiting Prayers)
5 Globs of Ectoplasm
EF2NYD
Getting Fissure armor through farming means you're skilled at farming, nothing more. Getting Fissure armor through Ebay means you're skilled at being stupid.
stefan16
Wish fissure armors were more good looking, then i might tried to save some money for it
Charcoal Ann
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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
I can see it now...
The Ambassador's Quarry: Reward: 500 Experience Smiting Staff (9-11 Req. 3 Smiting Prayers) 5 Globs of Ectoplasm |
The Wailing Lord:
Reward:
10000xp
1 Glob of Ectoplasm
the OP said as quest rewards IN THOSE AREAS. ie only in FoW and UW.
while i'm poor. i'm not sure i support this. it would not really make much of a difference. those who have the patience to spend 1000hours in FoW are really the only people who will be willing to spend 700hours in FoW. 300 or so hour decrease but most still can't be bothered to spend that much time on it.
Valdis
I've never been to the Armorer in FoW, do they have Gladiator Armor there. And if they do, does it look the same as Grotto armor??
If FoW doesn't have Gladiator Armor... what a waste!!! Its the best armor in the game...IMO.. You gain +7 energy and +20 vs Physical attacks, its killer...
If FoW doesn't have Gladiator Armor... what a waste!!! Its the best armor in the game...IMO.. You gain +7 energy and +20 vs Physical attacks, its killer...
Alpha Moth
All fow armour looks the same, just different stats
Valdis
Is there any FoW armor that has Gladiator Armor stats then?
Shanaeri Rynale
yes. you buy the Glad armor at the Fow crafter and it looks like fissure not Glad armor
Ray
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Originally Posted by EF2NYD
Getting Fissure armor through farming means you're skilled at farming, nothing more. Getting Fissure armor through Ebay means you're skilled at being stupid.
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Sarrow
Obsidian armor is not meant for everyone, kthxbye
One and Two
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Originally Posted by Sarrow
Obsidian armor is not meant for everyone, kthxbye
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But seriously, not a brilliant idea. Go blame your lack of money and inability to get materials on something else...
huh
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Originally Posted by Sarrow
kthxbye
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I've seen it a few times and it just looks so damn stupid to me...no offense to the poster, but it really does.
From what I can gather, its "Ok, thanks, bye".
HUH?
And whats that supposed to mean?
Sarrow
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Originally Posted by One and Two
Great for you. Which crafter makes obsidian armor?
But seriously, not a brilliant idea. Go blame your lack of money and inability to get materials on something else... |
The developers themselves planned that this armor will not be everyone, thats why they made the meterials hard to collect and timely. Think of Tyrian armor at droknars forge as low end armor, Ascended sets as medium and Obsidian sets as high. It is said that more armor will be added in the next chapter to fill in the gaps of getting medium to high armor. So in simplier terms, Dont get yourself discouraged that someone with 1 mil gold has obsidian armor and you dont.
Hey stick with Ascension armor like all the cool people
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Off-topic, but what does this mean? I've seen it a few times and it just looks so damn stupid to me...no offense to the poster, but it really does. From what I can gather, its "Ok, thanks, bye". HUH? And whats that supposed to mean? |
kthxbye is a way of expression, It shows that the question or problem you are taking so hard to discuss can be answered in a 1 second thought. A little bit of sarcasm to show that this is pointless : \
One and Two
I knew you were refering to FoW armor (the common name) and i thought you mistyped and combined with an ele skill or something cus you were in a rush~
But IF YOU ARE BITCHING THAT YOU CANT GET FOW ARMOR
1. Go to the corner, shut the hell up and cry
2. Go farm your ass off you lazy punk bitch
3. Go to ebay and buy your damn armor
4. Send emails to ANet threatening to quit
kthxbai
But IF YOU ARE BITCHING THAT YOU CANT GET FOW ARMOR
1. Go to the corner, shut the hell up and cry
2. Go farm your ass off you lazy punk bitch
3. Go to ebay and buy your damn armor
4. Send emails to ANet threatening to quit
kthxbai
One and Two
oh man that was a harsh post~
huh
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Originally Posted by Sarrow
HUH: I could tell by your name but...
kthxbye is a way of expression, It shows that the question or problem you are taking so hard to discuss can be answered in a 1 second thought. A little bit of sarcasm to show that this is pointless : \ |
And "I could tell by your name but..." sounds like a hint of an insult, but I'm not gonna be a victim of an online insult and start a flame war.
Cheers.
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Originally Posted by One And Two
You're boring. (does that get a reaction?)
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Yes it does, but probably not what you expect.
Yeah I would actually have to agree that I'm a boring person, and saying otherwise would just be lying to myself.
One and Two
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but I'm not gonna be a victim of an online insult and start a flame war.
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Navaros
I agree that Fissure and UW quests should give Ectos and Shards: guaranteed and evenly distributed. Or better yet, give the party leader 3x as much as everyone else for him putting in the time and energy to make a party full of non-idiots who won't die before the second Fissure quest is done (which is actually quite a hard thing to do given how bad most players are at playing the game).
Fissure and UW quests are very hard in that it takes a lot of time and energy to form a competent party that is able to handle them. And even if you do, chances are 2 or 3 of them will have dropped out of the game shortly after the first Rastigan quest is done.
Rewarding Fissure and UW players more fairly for their time and energy is something that is long over-due.
Fissure and UW quests are very hard in that it takes a lot of time and energy to form a competent party that is able to handle them. And even if you do, chances are 2 or 3 of them will have dropped out of the game shortly after the first Rastigan quest is done.
Rewarding Fissure and UW players more fairly for their time and energy is something that is long over-due.
Kampfkeks
Take out normal Ecto and Shard Drops completely. Put them as a quest reward in UW and FOW. Make an exception for the first quest down there in each of these areas (Tower and Chamber) so they don't get farmed.
5.000 exp quest - 1 Ectoplasma for each partymember
10.000 exp quest - 2 Ectoplasma for each partymember
This way it will moreover be skill when someone gets it. Not some boring farming over and over again. And this way the quests would actually HAVE a value. Unlike they do now. Sure you can get skillpoints but those you can get almost faster when you're killing griffons and other stuff like that.And honestly... 10.000 exp for the Grenth Restoration Quest is ridiculous... given that you have to wipe the whole UW to complete it.
5.000 exp quest - 1 Ectoplasma for each partymember
10.000 exp quest - 2 Ectoplasma for each partymember
This way it will moreover be skill when someone gets it. Not some boring farming over and over again. And this way the quests would actually HAVE a value. Unlike they do now. Sure you can get skillpoints but those you can get almost faster when you're killing griffons and other stuff like that.And honestly... 10.000 exp for the Grenth Restoration Quest is ridiculous... given that you have to wipe the whole UW to complete it.
Alone)
I honestly think that idea ^^^^^^^^ will raise the prices of ectos and shards drastically. No, really. 
Navaros
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Originally Posted by Ranger Li
No.
People Don't WANT Ecto to drop same for shards, FoW and these are not supposed to be easily gotten items If u have not noticed the quest are re-doable , so why not just do them for 5 days and get it? pointless isnt it? FoW is supposed to be achieved through hardwork and A.net created this by basically static that this IS the cream of the crop, this IS the caviar on your table, its not meant to be made easiar to get, only harder. |
How does having to spend several thousand hours (literally) in Fissure and UW until all the Shards and Ectos you need happen to drop for you equate into "hard work"? That is not work; that is horrible grind. Something Guild Wars devs always say Guild Wars is not supposed to be about.
As for getting all the Ectos and Shards you need in 5 days from Fissure and UW: how are you gonna do that? How are you gonna have enough good players be online with you 24/7 to make sure you always have a party that won't die before the first quest in Fissure is done? And even if you did have that, it would still take a lot longer than 5 days to get them. What does Fissure armor cost, 120 shards and 120 ectos? At 1 piece per quest, that's 240 quests that would need to be done just to afford those two material pieces alone. Certainly completing 240 Fissure and UW quests is very hard work and a player who has done that deserves Fissure armor.
Also, it seems like in your assessment here you are neglecting to factor in the massive amount of time that making a good party takes. And having to re-make a new party after every run.
EAT U ALIVE
Could this forum be any more off topic?
Pillz_veritas
Well I have actualy had another idea.......
1 shard for each quest in Fow, 1 ecto for each quest in UW
*combined with!!!*
Ectoplasm and shards become like Fame and Faction, Something you can see when you press the "H" Key and are no longer transferable.
*Introducing Diamonds* (1 current ecto = 1 Diamond)(4 current shards = 1 diamond)
Diamonds-"Currency(bought and sold at merchant for SAME price)" Value 10,000 Gold. These items Can Stack.
1 shard for each quest in Fow, 1 ecto for each quest in UW
*combined with!!!*
Ectoplasm and shards become like Fame and Faction, Something you can see when you press the "H" Key and are no longer transferable.
*Introducing Diamonds* (1 current ecto = 1 Diamond)(4 current shards = 1 diamond)
Diamonds-"Currency(bought and sold at merchant for SAME price)" Value 10,000 Gold. These items Can Stack.
Dargull
What is this Gold thing you speak of?
What are these ecto's you speak of?
What are these shards you speak of?
*walks up to jhoneil [priest of balthazar], spends some more faction, smiles cause he has finally unlocked almost every skill in the game, thinks back to the good old days when he could be bothered to play pve in the UW and FoW and get pissed off at crappy team mates, smiles again as this no longer happens cause he discoverd a long time ago what almost all of the good players where doing*
What are these ecto's you speak of?
What are these shards you speak of?
*walks up to jhoneil [priest of balthazar], spends some more faction, smiles cause he has finally unlocked almost every skill in the game, thinks back to the good old days when he could be bothered to play pve in the UW and FoW and get pissed off at crappy team mates, smiles again as this no longer happens cause he discoverd a long time ago what almost all of the good players where doing*
Sekkira
<-- UAS by PvEing. Faction is for runes and weapon upgrades which are more on the random side to obtain.