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Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

29 Nov 2005 at 02:29 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by FFF_WarRaven

Do spiders use poison?

No

Quote:

Originally Posted by FFF_WarRaven

I have yet to see my pet acctually poison anything, but i have seen a few times a sort of poisonious gas circle around him for a quick second, and yes im sure it wasn't a spell or skill from an enemy, believe me i looked close lol.

Activating pet attacks (skills) makes a green (ranger color) glow around them sometimes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FFF_WarRaven

Then again maybe my want for a large poisonious spider is over powering my visual perception lol.

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I suspect that's it

Mercenary662

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/E

29 Nov 2005 at 03:52 - 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolporsche911

when is post searing? well actually...what is searing?is it a mission or something?can someone tell me because i want to find a lizard and i can only find one post-searing.

searing is the term i guess, for when ascalon is attacked by the charr, they summon meteors upon ascalon and destroys most of it. You can get a lizard in the desert, you should be around level 15-20 when u get there, GL.

BBoy_Manchild

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

dayton ohio

N/Mo

29 Nov 2005 at 06:01 - 123

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dralspire

Chin up, DurinVIII, I spent approx. 65 hours in the game just training numerous bears into hearty/dire bears until I managed to get my first elder bear.

i got elder bear my first try... which made me mad cause i wanted hearty

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

29 Nov 2005 at 07:20 - 124

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild

i got elder bear my first try... which made me mad cause i wanted hearty

linky for advise

purecash123

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

30 Nov 2005 at 02:58 - 125

Well, with an unorthodox method, I trained an elder bear w00t!

Here's what I did in a brief manner

Carry charm animal and tame a pet of your choice.
Travel to Ice Tooth Cave. Bring at least these BM skills and attributes, being: BM at 12, wilderness at 12
Train your pet against minotaurs. Let him kill do the dmg while you protect him with BM skills. Remember to watch your pet's hp and avoid his death.
When pet reaches lvl 11, it should be "Aggressive" when you reset name.
Now travel to Ventari's Refuge. This is the skill set I used but the only thing required is charm animal & comfort animal with a BM at 0 : Penetrating Blow, Eviscerate, Excutioner's Strike, Sprint, Frenzy, Flurry, Comfort Animal, Charm Animal.
This time, purposely call a target so your pet can attack it. Let it die. Now as an axe warr, take down your foes while avoiding your own death. Then, rez the pet. Remember to take breaks to regen heatlh as I didn't being any healing skills. Also, remember to use comfort animal to heal, too. Somebody in this post said healing promotes the playful stage so I think this is what triggered the elder status.
When pet reaches lvl 15, it should be "Elder" when you reset name.
Rejoice

Now, you should just be able to bring him along in full party hench groups till lvl 20.
Anything that doesn't sound real clear plz inform me and I'll rephrase it.
Thx to Dralspire for the inspiration
yay bears

Dralspire

Retired

Join Date: Apr 2005

30 Nov 2005 at 03:08 - 126

Yay, purecash, congratulations ...

Myth

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

01 Dec 2005 at 06:07 - 127

Does the pet continue to grow in size after it reaches lvl 20?
If not, how do you make your pet grown in size? I have a lvl 20 bear that is a little bigger than the norm, but i was wondering if there is anything you can do to make them grow faster in shorter periods of time ect.

Peewee

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

London, England

I Uprising I [RAGE]

R/

01 Dec 2005 at 16:20 - 128

i have a lvl 20 dire black widow spider. i wanted an elder spider becuase of the added boost in health and attack. will my current spider ever take the leap to elder, or will i have to ditch it and go back down UW if i want an elder, which is basically nightmare situacion ( i got lucky, went with a trapper team, persuaded them to do the quests, and then they all forgot to bring the charm animal skill)

Valerius

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

R/

01 Dec 2005 at 16:46 - 129

Quote:

i wanted an elder spider becuase of the added boost in health and attack.

- while Elders have more HP then Dires... Dires do more Dmg

Quote:

will my current spider ever take the leap to elder

- nope... Dire/Hearty/Elder is the final evolution

Quote:

will i have to ditch it and go back down UW if i want an elder

- yep... srry man...

CKaz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2005

01 Dec 2005 at 17:47 - 130

I'm getting re-caught up with the updates, good good stuff..
But as I understand it now we've backed away from Black Spider = more dps?

Is this attributed to a patch, out of whack due to possibly damage type involved (piercing tested vs another type)..?

Just wondering, was guessing for the best option I'd head out to UW, but reading this I might just make the most aesthetically pleasing one to me

edit - so to summarize the prefix stuff:
Getting a pet at level 11+, Aggressive vs Playful has been determined
Getting a pet at level 15+, Dire/Elder/Hearty has been determined

thus if I have it right, just like Black Spiders, Dune Lizards are decided for you (lvl15)

thanks
CKaz

Dralspire

Retired

Join Date: Apr 2005

01 Dec 2005 at 18:05 - 131

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKaz

... now we've backed away from Black Spider = more dps? Is this attributed to a patch, out of whack due to possibly damage type involved (piercing tested vs another type)..? ...

edit - so to summarize the prefix stuff:
Getting a pet at level 11+, Aggressive vs Playful has been determined
Getting a pet at level 15+, Dire/Elder/Hearty has been determined

thus if I have it right, just like Black Spiders, Dune Lizards are decided for you (lvl15) ...

Regarding the damage, we backed away from the concept of the spider being stronger because the display of the damage values made a more thorough analysis possible.

Prefixes: Your pet will evolve twice, once from pet to playful/aggressive pet (between level 10 - 15) and one more time from playful/aggressive pet to dire/elder/hearty pet (between level 15 - supposedly all the way to 19/20). Once the pet reaches the end evolution dire/elder/hearty, it will no longer evolve.

As such, the only pets that are decided for you are the ones with the final dire/elder/hearty prefixes, i.e. (1) the underworld spiders and (2) the level 15 elder wolves south of The Granite Citadel.

FFF_WarRaven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Behind the black shroud.

FFF

R/Me

01 Dec 2005 at 19:14 - 132

Regarding spiders, and poison, some people have mention they do and some mention they don't, me and another guildie have both gotten the first hearty uw black widows. So we went out to test, now we know the spiders do not poison BUT, we have seen the poison mist effect travel around the spiders body and even trail behind him, were guess the spider "lengths poison duration on foe". While it does make sence we haven't tested enough to know for sure, but it seems likely. Unless the misty poison effect is due to a certain skill, tho all we have been using is feral lunge and call of haste and predators pounce.

Does this make sence to any one else, any other observations?

Edit: Just read this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Activating pet attacks (skills) makes a green (ranger color) glow around them sometimes.

I myself have only seen this with the spider, haven't seen this with a bear, wolf, or a lizard.

Dunno i'm still unsure...this is the type of stuff that upsets me, the devs haven't given much in the way of explaining these types of things, seems sort of a copout to having to print more than they want lol, then again it's cool to discover a lot of this for ourselves, still it would be nice to have some explainations, because in the end you can only assume so much, and even with extensive testing, can we ever truly be sure of what we see? especially with all the constant changes, incuding some they don't ever mention or post about.

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Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

01 Dec 2005 at 20:27 - 133

it's true.. Feral Lunge makes green particles (gas? maybe he farts?) when you activate it.. My Cat & Lizard both do this..

jibikao

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

01 Dec 2005 at 22:20 - 134

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vermilion Okeanos

There are no differences. UNLESS, the reciever got a mod on his/her equip that defend against one of them (example: necro armor-> piercing armor), while some monsters in PvE are naturally built to be weaker against some dmg (example: [not verified] skeleton recieve more damage from blunt, and less from pierce)

This has been verified? So Shield Up and Necro's Armor can indeed reduce Moa Bird's damage since it's piercing?? Oh, that sucks!!! I love Moa Bird! lol

So, of all the pets, isn't Warthog the best since it does "blunt" damage? I mean has that been tested?

One last question. Spider is NOT superior than other pets right? I believe all pets are the same except for damage type and evolution.

ancient_chozo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Space Pirates

N/R

02 Dec 2005 at 09:43 - 135

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valerius

*The Moa Bird will evolve into a Strider at level 3*

I just started a new PvE ranger and charmed a strider in pre-searing Ascalon. I quested for a little while, then I noticed that I no longer had a strider; it had become a moa bird. I don't know at what level this occured, but I guess the evolution in the above quote can also go the opposite way (so maybe it's also at level 3).

Jenosavel

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Jul 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

02 Dec 2005 at 13:59 - 136

Erm, Chozo you're right. I don't know where Valerius got that from, since you can't tame a Moa Bird except at level 3... How would it evolve into something else at level 3 if it's already at level 3? I suspect that was a typo, and he just switched around what he was meaning to say.

Edit: @ WarRaven The spider does not poison enemies, this I can attest to. All pets, with the exception of the warthog (to my great annoyance), will get a green aura around them directly after using a pet attack. The pattern of the aura is different for each attack. Such as an upward spiral around the pet for Feral Lunge, but a pale disc on the ground with a square of sparkles for Ferocious strike (or was that Predator's Pounce? I always get those two confused, can never remember which one's sparkles make a square and which make a hexagon).

If indeed you are seeing the poison aura around your pet, it means your pet was poisoned, not that it poisoned someone else. The condition auras only appear around someone who was just afflicted with that condition, and only for the first second or two. If enemies don't get a poison aura when they poison you, and you don't get a poison aura when you poison them, why do people continue to believe that if they see a poison aura around a spider, it means the spider is poisoning someone?

Valerius

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

R/

02 Dec 2005 at 16:13 - 137

yeah srry bout' that... typo

updated

CKaz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2005

02 Dec 2005 at 16:23 - 138

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dralspire

Regarding the damage, we backed away from the concept of the spider being stronger because the display of the damage values made a more thorough analysis possible.

Prefixes: Your pet will evolve twice, once from pet to playful/aggressive pet (between level 10 - 15) and one more time from playful/aggressive pet to dire/elder/hearty pet (between level 15 - supposedly all the way to 19/20). Once the pet reaches the end evolution dire/elder/hearty, it will no longer evolve.

As such, the only pets that are decided for you are the ones with the final dire/elder/hearty prefixes, i.e. (1) the underworld spiders and (2) the level 15 elder wolves south of The Granite Citadel.

Ah ok, so it's since been confirmed spiders do the same damage as anything else, well more importanly, same DPS? Any variance in attack speeds?

For prefixes I think I got off-track as the guide seemed to mention set levels, so you're saying pets 'out in the field, un-set' follow what you suggest above? From the guide-
Evolutions
Pets will evolve into either the Aggressive or Playful evolution at level 11. They will then proceed to evolve into either the Dire, Hearty or Elder evolution at level 15.

So it sounds like if I grabbed a level 15 lizard, from what you're saying I'd get to playful/aggressive before it reached level 16, and then could evolve any time again after than until 20? Just want to make sure I have you right.

thanks!
CKaz

Dralspire

Retired

Join Date: Apr 2005

02 Dec 2005 at 17:13 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKaz

So it sounds like if I grabbed a level 15 lizard, from what you're saying I'd get to playful/aggressive before it reached level 16, and then could evolve any time again after than until 20?

To be honest, I am not aware of a level 15 lizard being available for charming at all. At least I am sure that I have never seen one. If the pet is level 15 (or level 20 in case of the underworld spider), it should have its final prefix (dire/elder/hearty) even before charming. Here is the elder wolf south of The Granite Citadel before charming:

So to answer your question, I simply don't know.

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

02 Dec 2005 at 17:19 - 140

Pets evolve at 11 and at 15. All pets deal the same damage. To our knowledge, if your pet does not evolve at 11 it will not evolve, period. If it did evolve at 11 it should subsequently evolve at 15. No further evolutions have ever been reliably reported, though some individuals claim that pets have evolved at level 20 from hearty to elder for example - this might be possible but I have yet to observe any such change. The fallacious argument that it must only happen at 11 and 15 because that is what has been observed is known as induction by enumeration and is a non-logical way to come to a conclusion. All examples of pet evolution I have observed (and at this point I have trained up nearly every sort of pet to level 20 a few times) have happened at exactly level 11 and 15, but that doesn't mean it can't happen at other times. Anyone who claims that is guilty either of using non-logical induction or having peeked at source code.

I have experimented with levelling animals prior to them being charmed (this is possible) and they undergo evolutions even without being pets. I have evolved a pet to a dire evolution before charming it - it did not show its evolution before charming it, but when charmed it was a Dire pet. Evolution of animals happens thus even without the pet being tamed. If you did find a level 15 typeless Dune lizard it would not evolve according to everything we know thus far, it would simply remain typeless to level 20.

Jenosavel

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Jul 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

02 Dec 2005 at 17:33 - 141

Just so people know, this is Feral Lunge, not poison.

ancient_chozo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Space Pirates

N/R

03 Dec 2005 at 00:10 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenosavel

Erm, Chozo you're right. I don't know where Valerius got that from, since you can't tame a Moa Bird except at level 3... How would it evolve into something else at level 3 if it's already at level 3? I suspect that was a typo, and he just switched around what he was meaning to say.

Well, in that case, then, I'd like to add that Striders don't always evolve into Moa Birds at level three. Right now, I have a level 18 Hearty Strider on my N/R.

FFF_WarRaven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Behind the black shroud.

FFF

R/Me

03 Dec 2005 at 02:36 - 143

yeah i've done a bit more playing around with it, you guys are right thanks for the info.

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Jenosavel

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Jul 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

03 Dec 2005 at 04:55 - 144

Quote:

Originally Posted by ancient_chozo

Well, in that case, then, I'd like to add that Striders don't always evolve into Moa Birds at level three. Right now, I have a level 18 Hearty Strider on my N/R.

No, the Strider does evolve to Moa at level 3 regardless. It will, however, turn back into a Strider when it evolves. Thus, the only way to have a level 11+ Moa is to have your pet not evolve.

Level 1 - Strider
Level 3 - Moa Bird
Level 11 - Playful/Aggressive Strider
Level 15 - Hearty/Elder/Dire Strider

They're all the same pet.

Yamat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

San Diego, USA

04 Dec 2005 at 03:47 - 145

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dralspire

(10) The second stage: Return to Gates of Kryta by means of map travel. Assign the attributes 0 beast mastery and 12 marksmanship. Remove all beast mastery spells except Charm Animal from your skill bar. Place your marksmanship spells in your skill bar.

(11) Leave Gates of Kryta for Scoundrel's Rise. Attack the Mergoyles with your bow and cast the marksmanship spell Hunter Shot as often as possible. Cast any other Marksmanship spells detailed above as often as possible after that.

(12) When your pet hits level 15, return to Gates of Kryta by means of map travel. Leave Gates of Kryta for Scoundrel's Rise. The name of your pet in the party window will read "Elder XXX" (with XXX being the type of pet you chose). Congratulations.

Ok, so I've got mine to L11 Aggressive... does it matter if the pet dies in the second stage to L15? Are you still trying to minimize deaths, or is it all about the fact the pet is doing hardly any damage (while you attemtpt to maximize your own)?

Great thread BTW... Kudos to all those who spent hours testing!

EDIT: ignore me... my pet never even came close to dying... my arrows were doing 120+ dmg per hit. One Elder Warthog FTW!!

Agrestis

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Blue Allience

R/Mo

04 Dec 2005 at 20:47 - 146

Hey, anyone know any definate addrenaline gain for ferousios strike?
Oh and the warthog does produce the attack effects(im pretty sure) i'll try and send a screenie of mine doing so.

Jenosavel

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Jul 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

05 Dec 2005 at 00:25 - 147

Quote:

the adrenaline gain isn't huge; it work to a strike every 8 second or so, which is the equivalent of 16% gain in adrenaline if you were attacking the whole time at normal rates.

-Pet skills and use of pets V.1

Peewee

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

London, England

I Uprising I [RAGE]

R/

05 Dec 2005 at 13:22 - 148

[QUOTE=Valerius]- while Elders have more HP then Dires... Dires do more Dmg
...[/QUOTE

according to my sources elders do +3dmg, +90health
playful are -1dmg +30health
hearty are -2dmg +60health
aggresive, or whateve it is (never seen one) +1dmg -30 health
dire +2dmg -60 health

clearly elder trumps elders on both dmg and health. the evolution i think is playful, hearty, elder, or aggresive, dire, elder.

finally, dam!

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

05 Dec 2005 at 14:10 - 149

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peewee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valerius

- while Elders have more HP then Dires... Dires do more Dmg
...

according to my sources elders do +3dmg, +90health
playful are -1dmg +30health
hearty are -2dmg +60health
aggresive, or whateve it is (never seen one) +1dmg -30 health
dire +2dmg -60 health

clearly elder trumps elders on both dmg and health. the evolution i think is playful, hearty, elder, or aggresive, dire, elder.

finally, dam!

This is all wrong. Your source is wrong. Elder has no bonus to damage and unmodified health. This has been tested a great deal.

CKaz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2005

05 Dec 2005 at 18:57 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Evolution of animals happens thus even without the pet being tamed. If you did find a level 15 typeless Dune lizard it would not evolve according to everything we know thus far, it would simply remain typeless to level 20.

That's what I was looking for - so likely every Dune lizard I'd go after would have a type - even its final type. So rather than rearing a Dune Lizard find out what you got and keep heading to the tamer and heading back out until you get the one you do want - thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dralspire

To be honest, I am not aware of a level 15 lizard being available for charming at all.

Unless I've played one too many hours of GW all Dune Lizards are level 15.

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

05 Dec 2005 at 19:39 - 151

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKaz

That's what I was looking for - so likely every Dune lizard I'd go after would have a type - even its final type. So rather than rearing a Dune Lizard find out what you got and keep heading to the tamer and heading back out until you get the one you do want - thanks!

Unless I've played one too many hours of GW all Dune Lizards are level 15.

No, that's not it at all. Firstly, I have never seen a level 15 Dune Lizard in the wild - they are level 5, unless a patch changed that in the past week or so (haven't been to the desert in a few days). So you won't find a level 15 in the wild. You might be able to level one, by dragging hostile enemies over, using Otyugh's Cry, healing it carefully with Heal Area (you can't target them with heals, as they aren't "allies", even under Otyugh's) and eventually it would level up.

Most pets develop a type by the time they hit 11, and then settle into a final type at level 15. You can raise typeless pets, but it doesn't tend to happen with normal play. The "type" is NOT predetermined, it is determined by your playstyle.

Jenosavel

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Jul 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

05 Dec 2005 at 21:42 - 152

I just tamed/trained a Dune Lizard two days ago, and they were all still sitting at level 5 in the wild then.

jibikao

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

05 Dec 2005 at 23:04 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agrestis

Hey, anyone know any definate addrenaline gain for ferousios strike?
Oh and the warthog does produce the attack effects(im pretty sure) i'll try and send a screenie of mine doing so.

The adrenline gain from Ferocious Strike is 1 I believe. I've tried a few times and I don't notice any difference with lvl 16 beast mastery, unless they've changed it?

I've been using Elder Warthog for a while now. I don't notice any attack effects. They don't really make noise when they attack, which I dislike. I do enjoy the uniqueness though. hehe

I just trained an Elder Strider. It was actually a Moa Bird but it turned into Strider. I wonder why they created two names for the same pet??

nine6nine

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Umbra Sumus

W/Mo

06 Dec 2005 at 18:02 - 154

all this evoling sounds like pokemon and thanks now im going to underworld to cap a spider

jibikao

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

09 Dec 2005 at 05:26 - 155

Ok, I was doing pvp and I think Spider does posion now. I told him it's Feral Lunge but he said the spider does poison.

I really want to find out this answer. Can somebody please confirm for me? If Spider does poison, then I want to get one just for the little advantage.

I think all pets should have some sort of "special ability" like Spider. I know Spider is special since you can only get it in Underworld but if only Spider has special ability, then it will create IMBALANCE in Beast Master, which I thought A.Net doesn't want.

Hopefully they can either get rid of poison effect or add a special ability for each pet.

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

09 Dec 2005 at 05:44 - 156

It's not poison. Read A guide to pets by Epinephrine and Jenosavel.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

09 Dec 2005 at 05:44 - 157

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKaz

That's what I was looking for - so likely every Dune lizard I'd go after would have a type - even its final type. So rather than rearing a Dune Lizard find out what you got and keep heading to the tamer and heading back out until you get the one you do want - thanks!

Unless I've played one too many hours of GW all Dune Lizards are level 15.

Umm no, dune lizards are level 5.

jibikao

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

09 Dec 2005 at 15:45 - 158

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

It's not poison. Read A guide to pets by Epinephrine and Jenosavel.

I've been using beast mastery for 5 months now and I "believed" that Spider does not poison but there are just so many people telling me Spider does poison. I don't have time to go to Underworld to charm a spider mainly because I am a loner. I can't solo Underworld with my pet. lol I died in 10s.

If Spider indeed does not poison, why do people say that? Many Rangers spam poison arrows and Feral Lunge. I told them that the "green smoke" graphic is from feral lunge but they claimed that it's not.

Ok, I am very tired of people spreading false rumors then. Have you tried a spider before? Does it poison or not? I just need some answers from those who do have spiders and know about beast mastery.

I remember I got into a fight once in PvP because another ranger used Spider and I used Warthog and his team won (random) and said "Spider owns Pig everyday". I told him that all the pets are the same except for evolution and damage type and he called me "Noob" for it. I was insulted of course. lol I prefer warthog over spider but if spider does has poison effect, then I may want to charm it one day.

Valerius

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

R/

09 Dec 2005 at 16:21 - 159

Quote:

Does it poison or not? I just need some answers from those who do have spiders and know about beast mastery.

Black Widow Spiders DO NOT poison... for the 100th time...

Dralspire

Retired

Join Date: Apr 2005

09 Dec 2005 at 16:30 - 160

Black Widow Spiders DO NOT poison... for the 101st time...

... and for effect