With Esoteric Warriors firmly holding the pole position, The Valandor 2nd (or
3rd, recently surpassed by ZPZG) and a good number of Eu guilds in the top 50, we can say the trend of US and Kr dominating is slowly changing.
I'm guessing Rus Corp, at number 4, has a majority of european players, even though they play on the american servers.
While the "quantity" still gives a great advantage to US (holding the HoH for long periods of time), the "quality" of guilds is on par, if not, recently at least, superior. Language districts problem persists and is as bad as ever (it's still very hard to form PuG for anything), but it's becoming a matter of sheer numbers, rather than good players. Since my old, sarcastic thread (Europe: losers' land) which has been recently resurrected, things changed a lot, and even in the ToPK european Pugs can put up some fair matches and hold the HoH for a reasonable amount of time.
I'm wondering if the situation's gonna last or it's just a "new ladder phenomenon" soon to be gone. Let me know what you guys think.
P.S.: this is kind of an off-topic, but I'm glad old and famous guilds like iQ and Nu came back from a period of gvg inactivity (relatively short for Nu, incredibly long for Idiot Savants) and took their places right in the first page. Since the new ladder started, competition seems richer.
Europe dominating the ladder
Mormegil
Zeru
I think it's partially due to wierd playing times. Val and EW obviously know what they're doing but I don't think they've played enough of the good teams either.
The ladder is really instable at the moment. Wait a month and things will begin to look clearer as everyone in the top 20 starts playing each other more and we see who is top and who is not. Treacherous Empire and Korea Friendly aren't viewed as 'top guilds' usually but trust me they'll be there.
The ladder is really instable at the moment. Wait a month and things will begin to look clearer as everyone in the top 20 starts playing each other more and we see who is top and who is not. Treacherous Empire and Korea Friendly aren't viewed as 'top guilds' usually but trust me they'll be there.
Shanaeri Rynale
Did'nt EW move to the US???
thefox
EW is european guild with a german leader.
Rus Corp is marked 'Am' only by some Anet mistake (got sick of that...)
Rus Corp is marked 'Am' only by some Anet mistake (got sick of that...)
Eonwe
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P.S.: this is kind of an off-topic, but I'm glad old and famous guilds like iQ and Nu came back from a period of gvg inactivity (relatively short for Nu, incredibly long for Idiot Savants) and took their places right in the first page. Since the new ladder started, competition seems richer.
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crimsonfilms
What build is EW using? Anyone know?
Probably a balanced build, but would like to know the particulars....
thx
Probably a balanced build, but would like to know the particulars....
thx
Linkie
EW seems pretty decent, I haven't played them, but from what I hear they play pretty good.
The Valandor are pretty good, but I think they'll drop a bit as they meet better guilds more unless they make some changes to their build.
I sense Rus Corp will drop quite a lot as they start meeting better teams. They run a ward camping build, which I feel will lose more and more as better teams get used to playing it. Given, I haven't seen them playing anything else, so I'm unsure of their profiency with other builds.
The Valandor are pretty good, but I think they'll drop a bit as they meet better guilds more unless they make some changes to their build.
I sense Rus Corp will drop quite a lot as they start meeting better teams. They run a ward camping build, which I feel will lose more and more as better teams get used to playing it. Given, I haven't seen them playing anything else, so I'm unsure of their profiency with other builds.
thefox
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The Valandor are pretty good, but I think they'll drop a bit as they meet better guilds more unless they make some changes to their build.
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Seiko
I met entire top of the guild of ladder, and through the skill of game they are located approximately in this order:
1. Union Team (really good players. plays various builds)
2. Esoteric Warriors (good monks and good build)
3. ZPZG (same build as Union team, but low expirience)
4. Valandor (good build, but only for beginning. weak monks)
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1. Union Team (really good players. plays various builds)
2. Esoteric Warriors (good monks and good build)
3. ZPZG (same build as Union team, but low expirience)
4. Valandor (good build, but only for beginning. weak monks)
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Hanuman li Tosh
fail to see how 2 eu guilds in the top 10 is 'dominating'...
Sister Rosette
Personally I'm glad Europe is owning the ladder. It's nice to see players
take control who might actually put some thought into their builds and
skills instead of 'NEED IWAY.'
I think the real reason everyone hates the Eu and Ko players is when we
have the Favor, they get off their butts and take it back. When they have
favor, everyone just sits in ToA and chat bashes Eu/Ko.
If my friends weren't all on the US server I would have switched a long time
ago.
take control who might actually put some thought into their builds and
skills instead of 'NEED IWAY.'
I think the real reason everyone hates the Eu and Ko players is when we
have the Favor, they get off their butts and take it back. When they have
favor, everyone just sits in ToA and chat bashes Eu/Ko.
If my friends weren't all on the US server I would have switched a long time
ago.
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Mormegil
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fail to see how 2 eu guilds in the top 10 is 'dominating'...
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Maybe the situation will change as I specified in my first post, but yes, a gap of 124 pts means someone is temporarily dominating the ladder. It's not like EW is out reach but still, they're doing pretty good and have a fantastic w/l ratio.
Hanuman li Tosh
if you add up points and count rus as europe, eu is still over 1000 pts behind overall in the top 10. not taking anything away from the top team, or any top team, just saying 'dominating' is pushing it.
also, i dont know what rus corp is thinking and if they are eu or not, but to get into the tourney they need to have 5 guys from the same region.
i would love to play a EU team for GW world champion...
also, i dont know what rus corp is thinking and if they are eu or not, but to get into the tourney they need to have 5 guys from the same region.
i would love to play a EU team for GW world champion...
Mormegil
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i would love to play a EU team for GW world champion...
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Hanuman li Tosh
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Yes. I'm sure you can beat EW or Val easily with both your hands tied.
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/sarcasm
we're not scared of any guild. and even if we lost i would still be honored to participate.
thefox
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also, i dont know what rus corp is thinking and if they are eu or not, but to get into the tourney they need to have 5 guys from the same region.
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splash_79
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if you add up points and count rus as europe, eu is still over 1000 pts behind overall in the top 10. not taking anything away from the top team, or any top team, just saying 'dominating' is pushing it.
also, i dont know what rus corp is thinking and if they are eu or not, but to get into the tourney they need to have 5 guys from the same region. i would love to play a EU team for GW world champion... |
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I'm sure you would....
Hanuman li Tosh
what are you trying to say? we are in the top .5% of all players, are you? anytime you want an unrated gvg lemme know. maybe you can get EW to give you one also then you can come back to the forums and tell everybody who the better team was.
splash_79
The point is not wether I am a crap player in a crap guild or not. I'm quite sure I am.
But since I am not the one posting abject nonsense, and since I am not the one being deluded enough to think I am in a 'top guild' the burden of proof hardly lies with me. I sincerely do not see what's so great about your rating. If you fail to see the difference between winning 80 out of 82 matches and winning 56 out of 79 you might want to consider taking a basic course in math. Regardless, good luck in the championship!
But since I am not the one posting abject nonsense, and since I am not the one being deluded enough to think I am in a 'top guild' the burden of proof hardly lies with me. I sincerely do not see what's so great about your rating. If you fail to see the difference between winning 80 out of 82 matches and winning 56 out of 79 you might want to consider taking a basic course in math. Regardless, good luck in the championship!
Hanuman li Tosh
on topic...
no, the point is thet the title of the thread is a misconception. i already explained that with math and gave EU their props.
off topic...
soooo... if you want to flame me (and subsequently my guild) whatever. you admit you arent good enough but then personally attack me for not being good enough in your opinion. thats just like saying 'im a more of a noob than you but youre still a noob.'
no, the point is thet the title of the thread is a misconception. i already explained that with math and gave EU their props.
off topic...
soooo... if you want to flame me (and subsequently my guild) whatever. you admit you arent good enough but then personally attack me for not being good enough in your opinion. thats just like saying 'im a more of a noob than you but youre still a noob.'
Linkie
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Hmm... just curious. About what mysterious "new better teams" are you talking about? Are they hiding somewhere equipped with their uber and _tested_ (lol) builds?
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Rating increases, less newb stomping, more matches facing good teams.
Mormegil
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If you fail to see the difference between winning 80 out of 82 matches and winning 56 out of 79 you might want to consider taking a basic course in math. Regardless, good luck in the championship!
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Hanuman li Tosh
rofl, i do see the difference. however, the top 2 teams from each individual ladder go to the finals. we only have to beat Nu, Te, or char to go to the finals (as it stands now). already beaten 2/3 of them in pvp. EW have nothing to do with us going to the finals whatsoever. they arent on our ladder. so maybe if you want to talk shit on someone you should do so correctly.
Mormegil
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rofl, i do see the difference. however, the top 2 teams from each individual ladder go to the finals. we only have to beat Nu, Te, or char to go to the finals (as it stands now). already beaten 2/3 of them in pvp. EW have nothing to do with us going to the finals whatsoever. they arent on our ladder. so maybe if you want to talk shit on someone you should do so correctly.
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Hanuman li Tosh
this isnt a debate about my or my guilds skills, its about europe dominating the ladder. i said i would be honored to fight a eu team for the world championship and i meant it. if you dont think it will happen thats fine, but i feel obligated to defend myself and that detracts from the thread. the thread is titled europe dominating ladder, i disagreed that they are dominating, thats all.
i have the utmost respect for all of the top guilds who play well and dont use exploits, europe or not. i freely admit that europe has a lot of talent, and i am not afraid to admit i have had my ass handed to me on a silver platter by european guilds. you would be amazed at the amount of respect most of the top guilds have in gvg, and i try to be that way too.
and finally, (the part where i continue to make the thread tacky by defending myself) even tho we arent in the top 10 in the US ladder atm we have been and will be again. if you watch it youve seen us and if you dont watch it please dont debate it in here, thanks.
i have the utmost respect for all of the top guilds who play well and dont use exploits, europe or not. i freely admit that europe has a lot of talent, and i am not afraid to admit i have had my ass handed to me on a silver platter by european guilds. you would be amazed at the amount of respect most of the top guilds have in gvg, and i try to be that way too.
and finally, (the part where i continue to make the thread tacky by defending myself) even tho we arent in the top 10 in the US ladder atm we have been and will be again. if you watch it youve seen us and if you dont watch it please dont debate it in here, thanks.
thefox
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Rating increases, less newb stomping, more matches facing good teams.
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Seiko
This dispute there is nothing. Relations between present top 5 guilds of the ladder excellent. We win or we lose, but we respect each other, and you already in top 100 have quarrelled among themselves. Someone remains in top 10, someone will cease to play, and someone will lose a rating and will try to collect it anew. On that also exists ladder.
PS It's just a game guys. Don't worry, be happy and have fun
Best regards, Rus Corp leader.
PS It's just a game guys. Don't worry, be happy and have fun
Best regards, Rus Corp leader.
Naprius
Europe just pwns. we just take a while to adapt ourselves to the game and then we prod buttocks