pet training

mortalis doleo

mortalis doleo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

my house

The Cutting Edge [TCE]

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im training my lvl 9 bear, and he simply isnt leveling up...
is there a good place in which to train my bear?
should i use henchies at that place?
im beggining to despise my pet

kawaii_bat

kawaii_bat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada, Gatineau

None

Mo/R

The best way I've found to train lower level pets is just to kill em off and do mission and quests.

'Yes you've heard me kill him off. '

If you are level 20 you can just start a mission, let him die at the start and continue the mission without him.

Pets level up even when they are dead and reguardless of the distance they are from you.

I was training my boar when he died, I continued to farm drakes with someone else and after we had killed them all I realized my boar had leveled up during.

This permits you to bring other skills instead of healing ones for your pet, and also protects you from the reset of your skill everytime he dies.

mortalis doleo

mortalis doleo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

my house

The Cutting Edge [TCE]

N/

thank you!
that makes this thing so much easier...

last questions: will henchmen detract from the pet's experience gain?

Sofonisba

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]

Everyone gains experience according to their level, I do not believe you split experience the way the gold is split.

Jenosavel

Jenosavel

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Jul 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

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Henchmen do indeed detract from the pet's experience. As for the "kill them off and then continuing on" advice, this is all fine and dandy if you're interested in a Playful/Hearty pet or already have an Aggressive and are looking to get an Elder. Your play style with the pet will determine how its stats change later on. See the guide for details on that.

If you're level 20 and need to train your pet in the opposite direction (towards Dire), you can level up a pet to 10+ very quickly outside of Ice Tooth Cave, and 20 very quickly outside of Augury Rock. Make use of suck skills as Call of Protection, Otyugh's Cry, and Symbiotic Bond. With those and high beastmastery you can make a lvl 5 pet take no damage outside of Ice Tooth Cave. As it levels up you'll find you can eventually get rid of Symbiotic Bond and just use Comfort Animal occasionally instead. Attack combinations such as Feral Lunge and Scavenger's Strike work nicely for making your pet take things down, and Ferocious Strike is always good to have on hand.

mortalis doleo

mortalis doleo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

my house

The Cutting Edge [TCE]

N/

that guide mademe want to train my pet in the first place

i wanna get it to a hearty state at lvl 11, and then change to full beasmaster...

Jenosavel

Jenosavel

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Jul 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

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You only get Playful or Aggressive at level 11, with Playful being the one that leans towards Hearty. If your ultimate goal is an Elder, as it sounds to be, then you're on the right track.

mortalis doleo

mortalis doleo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

my house

The Cutting Edge [TCE]

N/

yeah, i ment playfull...

Daegul Mistweaver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM]

W/N

One unfortunate thing I've noticed; if you name your pet, you can't tell what type it is. You can reset the pet name back to default (/petname with nothing after) but it'll reset the name to the original, level 5, version.

Valerius

Valerius

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

R/

Quote:
One unfortunate thing I've noticed; if you name your pet, you can't tell what type it is. You can reset the pet name back to default (/petname with nothing after) but it'll reset the name to the original, level 5, version.
umm... no... when you type in the /petname command it should reset your pets name to default -- naming it's current evolution stage and the type of pet.

Daegul Mistweaver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM]

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valerius
umm... no... when you type in the /petname command it should reset your pets name to default -- naming it's current evolution stage and the type of pet.
You'd think so, that would make sense; but I have a level 18 "Black Bear" at the moment. I reset the name at level 13 or 15; wish I could recall precisely.

mortalis doleo

mortalis doleo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

my house

The Cutting Edge [TCE]

N/

i just had my bear lvl up and it was still a black bear. i reset my pet's name, and it said playfull bear.

Jenosavel

Jenosavel

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Jul 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

I just did as well. I went out, tamed a bear, and then tested the /namepet stuff. It works just fine. I will note, however, that I also trained a Playful bear. If indeed there's a bug with the /namepet or some variance in the evolution, it certainly isn't with the Playful variety. Which type of pet have you been working towards?

Daegul Mistweaver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM]

W/N

I haven't been working towards any particular type of pet actually; I only got the bear for flavor. Since I occasionally have a spare skill slot while farming I decided to level the pet up. I aquired it at level 5 and renamed it right away to "Killer Bear" (ranger's name is Garrett the Thief, some folks catch the reference); it may well be that both having "Bear" for the second word has caused some sort of bug. But I can certainly provide a screenshot of me reseting the level 18 "Black Bear".

mortalis doleo

mortalis doleo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

my house

The Cutting Edge [TCE]

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then provide away, this could help explain the problem/give soid evidence of a bug...

Daegul Mistweaver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM]

W/N

Here you go:

Valerius

Valerius

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

R/

huh... that's weird... maybe send in a bug report to ANeT?

i've never had this happen to me before... sorry to have doubted u

Jenosavel

Jenosavel

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Jul 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

On the bright side, if it manages to hit level 20 without evolving you'll be the proud owner of one very rare anomoly.

If it does evolve at some point, be sure to give a bug report to ANet that includes that. It'd probably be helpful in finding the problem.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

My recently acquired warthog became playful at level 12(pretty late) but hearty at level 15. So do you think it will become elder at level 20.

My friend seems to think a hearty pet is superior to all others due to the +60 health.

Jessy

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaglorD
... So do you think it will become elder at level 20 ...
No, pets do not evolve from hearty to elder.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

My pet is now level 17 and still with the aggressive prefix... wish they would fix the bug.

Dralspire

Retired

Join Date: Apr 2005

I wouldn't actually call it a bug, but that's just me. Regarding the original post, I recommend looking at Gates of Kryta. This is probably the No. 1 documented pet training place. Oh, here are my qualifications:



Here are more details on training your pet. Be prepared for some reading, it gets interesting around reply No. 300-500 or so.

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenosavel
On the bright side, if it manages to hit level 20 without evolving you'll be the proud owner of one very rare anomoly.

If it does evolve at some point, be sure to give a bug report to ANet that includes that. It'd probably be helpful in finding the problem.
Not that rare. I have a lvl 20 Moa Bird that is simply a Moa Bird. I don't know if it is a bug or not, maybe you need to earn those evolutions, I know my pet levelled a lot while it was dead.

Jenosavel

Jenosavel

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Jul 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

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I've since had it happen as well. I'm still inclined to believe its a bug over a mechanic, though. I'm very meticulous about my pet training, and it happened while I was doing exactly the same thing I had done previously with one very minor exception that shouldn't have made a difference.* It will take some time, but I'd like to see if I can replicate what happened reliably and gather some more evidence one way or the other on the matter. If it isn't a bug, I'd like to know how that influences the final pet. For example, what would the difference be between an unevolved level 20 Moa Bird and an Elder one?

*I switched from leveling my pet up on Mountain Minotaurs to the Crystal Desert variety minotaurs at level 10. Previously I'd switched at levels 8 and 12 multiple times with no hitch in the regular evolution process.

Cypros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

N/R

u can hav pets how?

Chobby

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/N

Is there meant to be some difference having a pet that is hearty, elder and stuff like that?

Valerius

Valerius

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

R/

Quote:
u can hav pets how?
if u have Ranger as ur primary or secondary class... u can equip the skill "Charm Animal" to ur skill bar and be able to tame a pet... once u tame a pet... that pet will stick by ur side forever until either u don't take "Charm Animal" or u give it away to Jarral the Tamer... ( the dude outside Old Ascalon ) ... for a full list of pets ( along with pics ... go here : http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=67761 )

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Is there meant to be some difference having a pet that is hearty, elder and stuff like that?
this is what i believe ...

Aggressive --> Dire or Elder
Playful --> Hearty or Elder

Aggressive = +1 Damage / -30 Health
Dire = +2 Damage / -60 Health

Playful = -1 Damage / +30 Health
Hearty = -2 Damage / +60 Health

Elder = +/- 0 Damage / +/- 0 Health

... but overall... even if those values are incorrect... it's been proven that...

Dire does more damage then Hearty and Elder
Hearty has more health then Dire and Elder
and i guess Elder is just somewhere in the middle... maybe they just don't have a positive or negative modifier?

Daegul Mistweaver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM]

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenosavel
On the bright side, if it manages to hit level 20 without evolving you'll be the proud owner of one very rare anomoly.

If it does evolve at some point, be sure to give a bug report to ANet that includes that. It'd probably be helpful in finding the problem.
I see now that I'm not alone; but, for the record, I'm now the owner of a level 20 "Black Bear". FYI I leveled up my pet almost entirely while dead.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenosavel
I've since had it happen as well. I'm still inclined to believe its a bug over a mechanic, though. I'm very meticulous about my pet training, and it happened while I was doing exactly the same thing I had done previously with one very minor exception that shouldn't have made a difference.* It will take some time, but I'd like to see if I can replicate what happened reliably and gather some more evidence one way or the other on the matter. If it isn't a bug, I'd like to know how that influences the final pet. For example, what would the difference be between an unevolved level 20 Moa Bird and an Elder one?

*I switched from leveling my pet up on Mountain Minotaurs to the Crystal Desert variety minotaurs at level 10. Previously I'd switched at levels 8 and 12 multiple times with no hitch in the regular evolution process.
I too believe it's a bug. And you know what? I reported it at support.guildwars.com and they said to come here and ask in the forums. I too am very meticulous in training my pets. I have 3 elders and have trained dires before. But somehow my mesmer's pet lynx cannot get the second evolution. It stays as aggressive and even when I redid the training, it's the same thing. Very frustating indeed.

Edit

Well guess it isn't a bug. I finally got my elder lynx

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daegul Mistweaver
I see now that I'm not alone; but, for the record, I'm now the owner of a level 20 "Black Bear". FYI I leveled up my pet almost entirely while dead.
In other words, if Valerius is right, your level 20 Black Bear is actually an Elder Bear since it has no life/damage modifiers