FF#61 - farming

Now that's not true. Those weapons are just fine and worth something (2k?) to the common player. Anyone with any amount of skill can and will use one of those weapons or offhands and do better than most people who must have a popular sprite.

Now that's true. If you have mega-bucks and you want to own the 'Sprite of the Day' then you have the economic muscle to do so and why not? Nothing else to spend cash on really, so that's just fine.

There should be a definite difference clarified between having a max item/mod with the rarest type of skin and the fact that 1 or 2% off of that max is just fine and will work great. Think of the idiots in 1.5k armour with the uber weapons who can't put a skill set together to save themselves. Skills, not items really make this game.

No actually that is good. It means people have a life and not spending all their time on GW.

Actually, their numbers as presented here are highly inaccurate. I fall in that 25% category which has more than 20 plat in their storage (currently at 80ish plat, down from 150 plat back when I traded materials).
Before I sold the sup vigor rune I got in halls it was 30 plat. Would I not have sold that rune and had I given away 30 plat, I suddenly would be in the 50% catergory that has less than 10 plat.
That is misrepresenting my actual "wealth". I also have 9 ectos in my storage; worth, I believe, another 70 plat or so. I'm not even counting my dye collection.

You don't have to have 1 million in the bank to be a millionaire, is what i'm trying to say.

Only have to comment on the REAL structure of the game. Notice you only got an install disc? The only thing that is stored on your computer is maps. Once you sign in you are in ANET's hands. Game is completely server side. Anything you do they will know.

When I played this game in June 04' I loved Anets strategy to pull this great game off for free. I liked more it was server side and would be streamed with updates. Being server side would be harder to hack. If you do they will know..lol.

I am completely against selling or buying in-game merchandise from stores. After reading about the underground market of MMO in-game "shops." Not playing a game for some guy to get super rich in real life while slowly killing the game I really enjoy. Unfortunatly it will never go away. Real life money will always drive people. Happy that Anet is ready for them.

i am against people buying in game stuff on ebay, and i think they should be banned for it, however, i think it is kind of silly to call them "sweat shops", that term usually refers to dangerous work, so unless they are beating them while they are playing their computers, then i dont really think it applies, also they arent making much less than people with other jobs in those areas,

the biggest joke is saying they are making "pennies on the dollar" of what the company brings in, ok, the restaurant i work at got about $30,000 in sales today, in 8 hours i made $68.00, so i am not getting anywhere close to ONE penny for every dollar they made, i must be in a sweatshop too!

all in all, people buying GW stuff on ebay is not fair, i dont like it, and i wouldnt waste my money on it, but the kids have jobs like anyone else over there does, so its not like they are working them selves to death for nothing

I've said it before, I'll say it once more:
Don't hate the player, hate the game.

If you believe that you NEED the perfect weapon, I guess Guild Wars really isn't suitable for you.
If you believe that you WANT the perfect weapon, pay the price buddy, cos if you don't, someone else will.

That's not what they are saying. They aren't talking about wealth, they were talking about gold. It was a general statement as to how much gold the general population has, not how much all of the items they are carrying is worth.

Well, all I can say is that I'm pretty tired of farming and of the trade system. I've been playing the game since it began and I've never had more than $50k at any one time. I'm still trying to save for that sup absorption rune for my warrior but quite frankly, 100k seem sooo far off. I've played in FoW and UW, I've played the new areas, I've had very little luck w drops. So it's getting pretty frustrating. The economic model just isn't working for me.

You dont NEED max everything to win in the arenas. Your skills will make 100x more difference than taking 1 less damage per hit.

you are wrong period.

i am glad you live in such a nice fuzzy world that you dont even know what a sweatshop is.....happy for you.

being at a sewing machine sewing for pennies per 16 hour day is not dangerous so i guess all the yelling about sweatshop clothes is phoney......right?

being at a pc for a 16+ hour shift is not playing a game when it is your only way to get enough food to survive..........but it is not dangerous except for carpel tunnel but what the heck


it all depends on what you can get with that money.

did you spend all of it on food and still be hungry?

or did you have extra to spend on yourself?

think that's what's wrong with most of the people who post about this is they want a cookie cutter laid out for them (and I'm also not sure if aol can access google).. for example- if your going to do trolls in the cave you'll notice all those raven staffs and bows drop alot.. those salvage with a normal kit sometimes 10 wood a pop- wood is sold in drokars easy.. or you could take it to the mat trader outside fort ranik and make it into parchment for even more profit- so you end up cheating yourself over double the money.. same with any farming spot- if you don't find out what's profitable your just wasting time

also find a spot you can solo.. hate to say it as it contradicts alot of these posts but money is easy to make in gw.. it's really about how fast you can make it not that you can't

Yep, I've been playing WAY less than the guy you quoted, not past ascention yet, and am not really a very skilled player and I've got about 35k in the bank. It'll be about the fourth time I've hit that mark - the other three times I started a new character and bought it armor and dyes dropping me to below 20, about four times I've done the same at 20k dropping me to 10k. I've made, at least, 100k since I started I just spend like mad on dyes and other crap I don't need (such as full armor/runs for a character I delete in a few hours). But I have more moeny than I need and enjoy doing that.

I have one or two areas I "farm" when I feel like making money or am bored with other things - I make one run when I start and one run when I quit. Theyre not particularly high level areas (notice the no char ascended part - got several in the desert and the henchies aren't making the missions too easy and I refuse to be ran further than I can get to by myself). I use a monk that aggros a bunch of mobs, has mending and a constant healing breeze (watch my energy and recast when I need too), then casts Balthazaurs aura and symbol of wrath and hope it kills everything before they kill me (it usually does, just have to be careful how many mobs I aggro). I get anywhere from 2k-4k on each run, about 10 minutes per run if I'm watching TV at the same time. Sometimes I get lucky with an major rune of something that sells good or a dye. The use of a single henchie DRASTICALLY drops the amount of money I make, down to well below 1k per run. Heck, I'm better off solo farming the stone things around sardalec sanitarium than making runs in the kryta region with my monk and one henchie.

To me, that's the whole problem with the farming thing. It should be around as effective to farm with henchmen or other players as it is to go solo. If it was, all the complaints about the latest solo build that mows through area X or the latest monster that has absurdly good drops for some reason wouldn't be all that important, because any random player could grab some henchmen and do reasonably well. Plus, it's just not fun to fight lower level monsters. I used to run through some of the areas in Kryta now and then to get some runes and weapon upgrades but it just got boring mowing through parties of undead with only a couple spells. Nowadays I run through Sorrow's Furnace or Hell's Precipice but it's frustrating because in order to get the challenge that makes it fun for me to kill monsters for an hour I have to sacrifice a whole lot of loot.

I've bought one thing and one thing only off ebay, and that was a shield. Didn't even need to do that, but it was more for experimental purposes than anything else. I'll never buy anything else off there.

I have 500k in savings. I earned every last gold coin myself. I don't need the money, but I enjoy farming because it's a good way to test mix and match skills and just pass away a few hours if I have nothing else to do. Farming is far from dead. I can go to spots and make 20k a day consistently if I feel like it. The majority of rares I find, I either give them to guildies or sell to merchant. A guildie needed a superior Smiting rune the other day. I told her here, you can have this sup. Protection I just found and maybe trade it with somebody. That blew her mind, but for me it was only taking up space anyway. I almost never use the trade channel. I've been to UW twice ever, and FoW once. Didn't care for either, and haven't been back since. I have 1.5k Droknar's armor and I'm happy with it. I have no "perfect" weapon except for the Bludgeoner I bought for 10k at War Camp. I have over 180 dyes in storage, 11 of them black. Got a black dye today from the low-level undead in Gates of Kryta, and I've even gotten one from Charr before. I used to solo Talus Chute some, but as already noted, over 50% of all drops there are Raven Staves, so it's a total waste of time. There are much better places to make money than that.

I farm to kill time and keep my mind off things. It's easy for me to lose myself for a few hours doing so. I just happened to get rich in the process. I don't need ebay gold or anything. The game gives you all the skills you need to make money. Your only challenges are to find good spots and figure out a build that lets you solo for the loot.

no, i do know what a sweatshop is, a little child using a sewing machine IS dangerous, a little child using a computer IS NOT, if you would actually read one of the reports about it that is not biased against it, maybe you would have some sort of idea what you are talking about

some links
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inter...436411,00.html

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager....=1&cId=3141815

a quote from the end of 2nd link

"They get paid dirt. But dirt is good where they live."

These farming threads are quite interesting to me. I have found myself many times wanting badly to solo farm and have finally leveled out a monk for that purpose. However, my long time character is a ranger, and contrary to what others have said about farming with henchies not being profitable, since I started playing (around July) I have acquired around 500-600k from just that. Granted, a substantial portion of it was from uber green drops that were in high demand at the time, but it can happen. Now my only problem is that I need to stop buying and actually save some.

Thanks for the FF; it is much appreciated!

William Auric
Knights of the Alliance
http://www.allianceknights.net

right.

so what you are saying is multiply the existing drops by the number of people in the party?

i had to laugh when you stoop to choose the guardian as a source.

i am sure they actually checked the conditions described so sunnily.

maybe you should google some of the chinese or other country articles on the subject.

and why would a bunch of articles showing how bad it really is be the biased ones?

you seem to be saying it isnt really bad and i have a guardian article to prove it so any other point of view has to be biased.

after all we KNOW the guardian is completely without bias on its staff......

Ok let me start off by saying, the tone of the last part of my post was bordering on idiocy because I was highly pissed off that I could not sell a 3% from perfect sword, while others charge 500k for something 3% better and sell stuff all the time. (the 3% wasn't all on one stat, it was spread out, making it a bit better imho)
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"sounds you're whining because people have better items than you, which devalues the dime-a-dozen garbage that you would be trying to sell for 200k"
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I admit, I was angry so I lost my cool and sounded stupid instead of putting things more maturely. No I don't care if people have better items than me, I just think its illogical for anyone other than the super rich to spend such huge amounts of money on 3 % or 2%.

And I wasn't trying to sell it for 200k, thanks for making that assumption. I sold a +30 hp bow grip for 20k, when I see them go for 50k all the time, because I don't like feeling like a rip off.
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"at the same time, you're a hypocrite because people are "morons" for buying "outrageously overpriced" items that are no better than collectors items, while you're paying 10x more to buy 15k armor, which is no better than droknar's armor."
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Lets look at the defenition of the word hypocrisy, shall we?

hy·poc·ri·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-s)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
An act or instance of such falseness.

So based on the defenition of the word, how was I a hypocrite? I was BUYING 15k armor from a NPC vendor (not to mention at the time, I did not know that it's stats were not any better, which you could not have known, I never had droks armor, so I didnt know the stats were the same). Now if I was selling items for insane prices, that were not much better, THEN I would be a hypocrite. But as things stand I wasn't charging insane prices for a few %, I was buying an item from an NPC for MYSELF, and I didn't know any better.
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"the difference is, they HAVE the money to buy "outrageously overpriced" items, and to them, it's not overpriced. they can afford it. a bentley isn't any better functionally at driving on roads than a ford focus, but if you have so much money that you don't even know what do with it anymore, why the hell would you buy a ford focus? it's not like this is the real world where you need to invest and manage your budget. you can blow it all in one place, on one thing if you want, that's part of the fun of it being a game."
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Just because you have the money to buy an item doesn't mean it's not overpriced, it just means you have the money to buy the overpriced item. Overpriced as in, charging more then the item should LOGICALLY be worth (thats what pisses me off about all this, not who can buy what, it's the fact that from a logical standpoint 2% better performance is not enough to justify paying 10x the amount for an item, IMHO.) Why would I buy the Ford focus? Because I care about function not glamour.

Your argument is based on the premise that I care what the super rich minority of GW do with their money. Mine is based on the fact that UNLESS you are super rich, 2% is not worth 480k more, if the super rich want to buy super overpriced crap, because they can afford the to pay for the 2%, woot for them. I just think it's stupid, and I would never do it. Thats the whole point of what I said, It's my opinion, I'm not trying to make people lose money or telling them what to do with their money, I'm stating MY opinion about what they do with their money. And what I WOULD NOT do. OPINION.

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"there are countless thousands upon thousands of 12%/13%/14% swords/axes/hammers/bows. they aren't rare... they aren't desirable, they aren't worth anything. there are more in the game than there are people who want them. when you've got 500k, or 2 million, why would you buy some 13% weapon for 2k?"
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I'm not talking about what the super rich do or don't do, I'm saying that 2% better is in my opininon not worth 380k more. This is ESPECIALLY TRUE with GREEN ITEMS. I don't mean a "perfect" sword, I mean cheifly Green items. Most of the Shiverpeaks and even some of the Crystal Desert collectors items are statistically better than most of the Green items. So what are people paying for? A Graphic, which to me is illogical. BUT if you have the money whatever.

And as Fyre Brand said, saying there are thousands upon thousands of lesser items that are worth "nothing" is sophistical or just plain untrue. You're saying a weapon that is perfect in every way but is 14% dmg hp> 50% and 29 hp is worthless crap? Ok buddy if you say so! Not only that but I was TOLD, that these "perfect" weapons do not actually even drop, or most of the time, people MAKE them. Let's see....Max dmg sword with 15 > 50 how much would this be worth? 100k? Hp + 30 pommel, what 100k? Sundering 10/10, , about 65k? So some of these people make items that cost them 265k and then sell em for 500k? Gotta make a profit but jesus, its misleading and a rip off.

I didn't make it clear that I'm angry because it's illogical, it sounded like I was just bitching mindlessly. But that doesn't excuse ad hominem and sophistry, I'm sorry if you don't agree with my opinion.