War Camp Elitism and Greed

No Joke guys, i can see where you are all coming from. and i agree, its so annoying getting a new character to TK with my Nec/War and being told that my build doesnt fit into their Supeior Party.

I hope tools who think they own the place never win missions with that kind of attitude.....

ZAdes~

lol the problem is apparent to me. if you are a serious PvP'r you likely have either a good guild already or a decent rank to get into tombs. there are a lot less guilds that PvE at that level and so the PvE'rs are forced to find a pug. pugs are comprised of the general population and general pop has a collective IQ of about 99 in just about everything ive ever encountered.

Most of these uncreative, ignorant players aren't all that good to begin with.

So you really aren't missing out on anything. Though I do wish the matching service wasn't so crippled by the outpost/district system so that players who are more open minded could have an easier time finding each other.

Actually its partially true, the "highest" form of PvP - GvG- you can circumvent dealing with idiots altogether and in Tombs you can be far more selective on who you choose (via rank emote, friends list and word of mouth). While in PvE you get a huge smattering of idiots everywhere.

Other than that this is just another post of "waah waah my ranger/necro/mesmer doesn't get groups, waaah." Go make one. Instead of standing around screaming ranger LFG. Go make a group.

If there is anyone you should blame, its Anet. If they made the game difficult enough that you needed to bring support characters - Mesmers, Necros, Rangers. Then I'm sure that people would bring them. And I mean difficult as in having mobs with AI that can effectively utilize spell combos, tactics, etc, that would force you to be creative, not simply adding another 1000 hp to the mobs and another 100 damage to their attacks. But since a braindead monkey can finish this game, people simply want to complete this silly linear grind they call PvE as fast as possible. Which basically translates to tank-nuke-heal.

As for those who decide to bring their level 9 character into a high level area, seriously what do you expect? You have less HP, deal less damage, and has a lower mana pool.

For the folks that stated "you can start your own party and invite whoever you want".

This is very true. The only problem with that reasoning is that the people you recruit will take one look at who is in your party (or how many people are in it), call you a noob and leave. I've experienced the following:

"OMG noob, you can do this with only 5 players, u suk"
"OMG noob, why did you bring that ranger in here, I'm leaving"

It works both ways.

Well, actually, you should be glad they leave. Usually, those kind of people will do something really really retarded in my groups. Such as I once had a monk who didnt do any healing when we left warcamp, then when somebody died he said the following priceless quote:

"I wasn't doing anything to see if you guys suck. You obviously can't do it with just one monk, so I'm leaving. noobs!"

Nothing further, your Honor.

True, I still stand by my statement though, being proactive is better than standing around annoucing that you are LFG.

But I still must stress how important it is (especially for the sake of your sanity), to build and maintain a group of people that you can play with both in PvE and PvP.

An extremely blatant case of trolling

not really. if you wont let a ranger in your group ever youre a noob. thats the point of the thread. OP cant get into a group becasue of ranger bias, figure it out...

It's just the PvE FOTM. Next month, the thing to do will be a 2 man team (which I could pull off )

Actually, I have no problems getting into groups - as I have just about any character any party could need. As I said, I join parties 95% of the time with my echo nuker, because it's either that or a monk, and I'm tired of watching red bars go back and forth.

And it's not just ranger bias - it's the fact that people are acting like jerks due to (IMO) rather crappy green items being the new "cool thing to have".

It's not something new to GW - it happens in Tombs, in TOA among others - and all due to greed and elitism.

Savio, they are intimidated by your surgical pulling ability.
-Terytanian

Start your own group, then u control what is going on and ur always on a team. End of story.

5 man farming is horrible try 7, number doesnt matter anymore about green drops, u get more with 7, but just more people to distribute to though.

No you are not. If you dont let rangers join your UW trapping group, you may be a n00b, but so you are for not doing UW with dualmonk // monk + necro
Going without rangers wont hurt you in PvE, and in PvP you need a reason to bring a ranger.

With my mesmer I did the 2 easy quests with henches and the other 2 with friends.
The final quest it was a random group and they picked me and we finished it in one shot.
I have not gotten back to do the main quests there but I still go with people I know to look for greens. But lately I'm just busy with my monk to do anything else.
I still have so much more elites to capture or finish the game with my last 2 characters but the monk is keeping me busy if you know what I mean

Let folks join your "off brand" PuG and decide to leaev righta way because of who else is in your group... as long as they do it before hand.

Best group I ever ran was with was on Dunes. Not a single Monk, warrior, or Elementalist primary in the group. Just a good mix of necros, mesmers and rangers. I told everyone to be ready to self heal if needed, but to just concentrate on doing what the do best.

We get in the mission and .... its was amazing how fast we mowed down the mobs and how little damage we took. I think it opened all of our eyes. We decided to run to the next desert quest and picked up a W/Mo as one of our mesmers had to drop. The warrior actually complained that he was useless to us. We all had much fun with our "we don't need no stinkin warriors" comments. All in good fun as we easily passed the next mission.

As many others have said, if you have trouble finding a group... form your own and pick up folks that like you can't find a "normal" group. You'll be happliy suprised at the speed and fun you can attain.

Some of my most memorable moments in GW:

Hell's Precipice- 3 Wa/Mo's (myself and 2 guildies) and 5 henchies (Eve, Mhenlo, Lina, Cynn, and Devona). They wanted to cap 100 Blades (I had it, but I was along for the ride), but by the time we did that, what the hey, we were right there so we finished the mission.

Sanctum Cay- our group couldn't get a monk, so I had to be the monk! With my +4 energy smiting rod, Gladiator's Armor, and Healing Ankh, I had 40 energy, so I was the designated healer. Even though I wasn't allowed to kill, it was still fun, and we made it through with no deaths.

Iron Mines- it started as an infusion run. I can do infusion (hell, can beat the whole mission) with just henchies, but I figgered I'd help some people along since I was doing it anyway. Wound up with a group of 8, and not a single monk. We fought our way instead of ran. Killed everything we came across, healed / rezzed ourselves as necessary. After we got infused, a couple of the guys asked if we could try finishing the mission because they hadn't done so yet. I talked everyone else into staying for 10 more minutes to get it done, and we went on and waxed Markis and his cronies with unbelievable ease.

All the while my groups were going against the grain and having a blast, I'm sure, as noted, there were plenty of knuckleheads standing around in town for 30+ minutes spamming "GLF 2 nukers 2 monks!" ad nauseam. I think it's a lack of faith in one's own ability that causes a fear of trying anything outside of the cookie-cutter strategy. Most missions in this game can be done easily with one monk, some with no monk at all, as long as everyone knows their part and plays their part.

i said EVER. in other words if you refuse to bring them at all.

And those hords of geniuses in tombs who can't follow a call, dont have comms, and have a grand total of 15 skills to choose from are not?

lol... omgz... like who n33ds c0mms t0 d0 1WaY?!?!!11 u noob.