Certian Professions Ideas that i have heard and agreed with

bah, can't stand WoW. i just don't like the look of the game. only thing i DO like in WoW is a wide variety of available pets and riding beasts. imagine riding your pet bear across kryta or making him dance for dwarven ale.
now that's a good idea. /dance emote for pets!! i mean, if russian bears can dance and drink beer why couldn't gw bears too?

Valid points, for sure.. I don't envy the developers and powers that be that are trying to come up with new classes, that's for sure. Then again, why a bard or a shapeshifter or, gods forbid, an assassin or rogue as well? Really, there don't seem to be too many gaps in the current system as is... no actual needs that any new class is needed to fill.

Wellll... there is one reason to add a swordsman... I'd play one. I, for one, don't have any interest in a warrior. It's just not my cup of chowder. However, a melee character that was flashier and less brutish would appeal to me personally.

So then, why not another melee, if for no other reason than to add variety?

Sure, people talk about a hand-to-hand specialist... however I have a hard time seeing someone punch a mahgo to death.

Edit:

You know, I just took a walk to get a caffiene infusion and had a thought... the swordsman could add a new category of stances, defensive stances that are maintained like enchantments. For example,...

Wall of Steel Stance. 10 energy, 60 sec recharge. As long as it's maintained you have a 75% chance to block melee or arrow attacks while you are stationary and not attacking. The effects of the stance are not felt while moving or attacking, but the cost to maintain remains in place. The stance remains in effect until removed or you are knocked down.

Just a thought.

I think something like a Sorcerer would be awesome, though Im not sure of what kind of spells they could come up with.
If you know anything about the difference between a mage/wizard/invoker/illusionist vs. a Sorcerer...it could be very interesting..but they would have to make the sorcerers spells slightly weaker than an elementalists or the sorcerer class would take over the world..lol. Due to the fact of what a Sorcerer truley is..it would be very fun to play and lets face it, Very Dominant, probably too dominant

Well, they could summon dancing brooms into combat...

People, it is okay to have new classes that the other games have. This is a fantasy world game, every profession can exist there everything is possible it's just a matter of setting a plot for them. don't worry about originality, there is no such thing as original anymore, if there are, it is very rare or t's just recycled and mixed ideas.

Currently there are 6 available professions in Guildwars. But what happened to Mesmers? I rarely see them anymore. People don't want them in their teams. So in my understanding there are only 5 professions that people wants.. Having new professions will spice things up in GW.

...what the heck are you talking about? "Sorcerer" is just a synonym. I'm not saying it can't be used to distinguish one kind of magic from another, but you have to specify. No such distinction is inherent in the word.

You could not be more incorrect...
If you have played anything other than GuildWars you would know the difference, ..its like night and day.
A mage, wizard, elementalist and the like all have to prepare their spells. Remember in D&D you had to gather componets and each night after you used your spells for that day, you had to relearn them before you could use them again?? This is my view on it, I see that "preparation time" as the mana that you use for each spell.
UNLIKE the above mentioned, a Sorcerer does not have to LEARN spells, gather componets or prepare them for the next time they want to use them. Sorcerers are magical to their very core, the spells they produce are from within themselves, they dont need (glittering dust, cats tail, dragon claw...in order to create a spell. They think and feel it, then it happens! If you don't believe me READ the D&D Players Handbook.. Now that you know what a Sorcerer is we can move on...
The great thing about a Sorcerer would be that you dont need energy or mana (whatever you want to call it) Since all their spells come from within, energy is not needed. Could you imagin being able to cast Meteor Storm continuously?? LOL..very unfair, but we can all dream. The one HUGE drawback to a Sorcerer is that they are limited by what spells and how many different spells they can cast. Since that is the case, your skill listing would be considerably smaller and your skill bar would be smaller but you could cast at will.

Try this one:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/3E_intvw_SkipW2.asp

Oh yeah, and forgot to tell you that Sorcerers can also use SWORDS!!!

The most needed profession seems to be the Spellchecker and Grammarchecker class.

You must be talking about yourself, last time I checked "grammarchecker" wasn't even a word.

Of course we would expect poor grammar like that from someone in California school system..lol, just look at your governor.

Just kidding about your governor, he was awesome in Terminator 2

I would still like to see the classes they have capable of being integrated better for use in a character that is a personification of the logical outcome of a person LIVING the life suggested by the primary and secondary combination.

Perhaps if secondary is:
1. Elementalist = A small/tiny elemental focus colored to most prominant element in use appears on forhead or helm.
2. Mesmer = A torc or neclace (that color codes to characters primary clothing, but glows).
3. Monk = A sash or additional tattooing that indicate orders have been taken.
4. Necromancer = Eyes glow black, red, green, or white according to most prominant necromancer attribute in use.
5. Ranger = Feathers or other tokens might be applied to helms, shoulderguards, bracers, etc.
6. Warrior = The build might appear beefier. (Afterall if the pets can modify with leveling so can the characters.)

Fitz Rinley

I may start a major argument with this! LOL. But contrary to popular belief English, real English, is a language we are not acustomed to either speaking or writing in any said quantity. Because of this, even our academicians have forgotten it is an inflected language. This means words like 'grammarchecker' ought to be perfectly legal, although I might very well have placed a hyphen inbetween in this instance.

On the radio yesterday I heard one anouncer question another as to whether or not 'beefier' was actually a word. It is only because we have forgotten that words are a foundation, meaning the reality, and anything that can be understood in all the possibilitites of roots, prefixes, suffixes, and infixes is in fact good and excellent English. It is also encumbant upon the audience to understand their language. We have too long placed all responsibility on the orator and author and allowed our people to become indolent, spoonfed, and lazy in the digestion of their own language, and hence education.

Told you I'd start an argument,

Fitz Rinley

No your not! I too have gray hair and I'm proud of it! I played Bard's Tale on an Amiga. I don't see much hope for developing a Bard's class here though as it is something that is story telling oriented and involves the intricate use of interactive skills where multiple professions are equally intertwined. Guild Wars is fundamentally opposed to this. Secondary professions have no value.

Fitz Rinley

Ugh. I was afraid you were going to say this.

Look, kid, that meaning of "sorcerer" is unique to D&D. It is not universal and has no relevance to Guild Wars.

how about giving the ranger two weapon fighting...... or the ability to sneak past things


by the way i like the bard idea.......... it would be a great suport character and neat to hear the different tunes they would play to help the party or hender the enemies

I agree the D&D definitions of Sorceror are not universal. In most cases what is univeral about being a Sorceror is to practice magic/myricals which are not authorized by the Deity/ies of the Estate(s) thru the recognized/authorized clergy.

What is unfortunate is that the Primary and secondary class system is not sufficiently integrated to allow for the secondary class to be of any value. There are not enough attribute points for the skills to be maintained without sacking the primary class and there are not enough energy points (especially for warrior) for these to be used.

Characters are built too powerfully in a vertical manner and not well enough in a horizontal one. They have no place in there world. They have no relevance to any location in the world they are supposed to be inspired to save. The fundamental trauma of the Searing is only mildly seen in the Prince and never affects the played characters who have supposedly lived through the equal of a nuclear holocaust and the aftermath of a continued relentless war of genocide.

Fitz Rinley

For crying out loud, man, you've already got your own thread for this nonsense. Don't go polluting other threads that have no relevance to your little pet peeve.

Right back at you kid, none of us would be here if it were not for D&D, so get real! Of course I was going to say that, why wouldn't I? Who better to give an explanation about the class then the people who invented it??

Why is it that most of the "upper-class" citizens on this site think they know it all??
When one of their own is losing an argument they will try to rush in and save their companions...Most are too prideful to admit when they are wrong, hence they ruin their credibility when it could have been saved by being an adult, showing some integrity and shutting their misinformed, uneducated mouths.

LOL...here comes the wrath of the unemployed...lol. How else could you become a Councillor; you have to make an ungodly amount of posts. Sounds to me like someone is either unemployed or needs to put down the Jergens lotion and find a life. There is one exception to this rule --> If you have been a member on this site for about 4 or more months.

Now this WILL start a fight

Oh yeah, and if you attempt to flame what I have just said..All you are doing is exposing yourself as one of the misinformed, uneducated, or PRIDEFUL people I have described above

Thanks and good day

1. All grammatical arguments and arguments among different levels of forum society on this thread stop immediately!

2. To the point of this thread, here's what I'd like to say.
I'm sure someone has made a comment of the sort before but:

Look at the professions.
I know this may cause some dispute but:

Warriors: Mainly fighting based and their weapon matters.
Rangers: Mainly fighting based and their weapon matters.
Mesmers: Mainly casting based and their weapon doesn't matter a lot.
Monks: Basically purely casting based and their weapon hardly matters at all (except for energy benefits etc.)
Elementalists: Mainly casting based and their weapon hardly matters.
Necromancers: Mainly casting based, thier weapon doesn't matter much.

As you may see, there are four professions based around mostly casting and two professions based around mostly fighting and weapon use.

Therefore, surely, it can be said that the edition of another profession based around the use of a weapon would not harm the game.
I must say that the game definitely does not need another caster.
I think the idea of an assassin or ninja is really too off-Guild Wars, but I feel that a kind of fencer, as has been mentioned earlier in this thread, would be great.
This 'fencer' or perhaps '' probably should not use fists and feet as this does not really suit Guild Wars, but either a fighting pole or 'double sticks' - dual wielding. This character would be dissimilar to the warrior and ranger in firstly that he uses a pole and also his skills are rather based on whooping damage casters - he would be ideal against mesmers and elementalists. His skills would be based around the idea of balance, mind-reading, boosting the attack and damage of comrades, while decreasing that of the enemy and causing exhaustion of casters with his weapon, and trickery.

Attributes:

Balance Arts - based around the use of the pole/sticks, moves with it.
(damage with the stick increases with level, not points in this attribute, so it is not compulsory to have points in this attribute to use the weapon)
Hypnotic Arts - Mind-reading, mind control, ability to daze, and demoralise enemy.
Vocal Arts - Shouts, mumbles, boosting allies, worsening enemies
Trickery - only available to '' primary, the amount of points in it increases the chance of the enemy being confused of you (not seeing your actions properly)

Also, as the pole is too handed it will not be avaiable to warrior with secondary or ranger secondary. It will be avaiable to casters as they can use staffs, but that may/may not work.

This new profession could alter the balance in Guild Wars but it would in my view be a good addition (or something of a similar kind to it).
My idea....

Oh dear... I struck a nerve, didn't I.

In any case, I apologize for my previous post to you. It was mean-spirited and uncalled for.

But it is rather silly to cite a D&D book as an authority in a discussion not related to D&D. And yes, I know that D&D was instrumental in forming the genre of which Guild Wars is a part. But, as it happens, most works in the genre don't conform to D&D's rules or nomenclature. Guild Wars certainly doesn't.

D&D only invented its own idiosyncratic definition of "sorcerer". The word has been in use since long before D&D existed at all, let alone the much more recent introduction of the sorcerer class.

You are correct about the "word" being used long before D&D. The point I was trying to make is that the "word" sorcerer was just that, only a word. The brains at D&D were the ones who did all the work. Meaning they created the backgrounds, personalities, skill sets, attribute points, and overall existence of what a Sorcerer is. Anyone can dream up a word for, in this case, a spell caster. In my opinion it was D&D who created this character, and it is their guidelines that we should be following, if it were to be incorporated into the game.
And yes GW is leading the way by not following there guidelines...example: In D&D Rangers not only fight with bows but are also specialized in swordsmanship, though not as inept as a warrior by any means. Yes in this game they can use a sword but have the same weapon penalty as if they were an Elementalist....Another example, Mages can also use daggers, whatever happened to daggers??

All I’m trying to say is that there were certain "rules" set along time ago, and I’ve always been in favor of breaking rules...lol. But if GW is to ever make a Sorcerer, it would be in their best interest to follow those rules. It would keep them away from the conventional caster, and give players a new way to use their brains in a constructive manner while exploring the vast possibilities of using a caster that doesn't require the use of energy. Oh yeah and don’t forget to give them a sword proficiency. Sorcerers are not masters of the sword but they can use one without penalty.

Dont know if this count, but since english is not my native langue i tried to translate it and, suprise, the word sorcerer got the same result as the word wizard. That means they mean the same thing, but what one encompass and the other dont is up to the individual person. Personally i like the think of the wizard as a bit more organised than the sorcerer, but if you look at the D&D, when you have gotte used to it the names never really let you go, you can find wizard practising unorganised nature magick and sorcerer being in cabals.

BTW on topic. Think some sort of unarmed fighter would be fun but how they are going to balance the damage without a weapon isnt somethign i bother to think about now

I certainly would sign for the creation of such a class. However, I could see the Cestus or some equivalent as a weapon. Perhaps also, dual punching blades would be a creative design using the Tonfa as base, the right long side forward and left long side back.

Fitz Rinley

Damien,

Sorceror comes from French and originates in ideas from Zoroastrianism. It concerns 'Servants of the Lie.' This is dependent on the exact nature of the charges against the sorceror. Often it means practicing magic/miracles that are not authorized through proper religious authority. It also means charlatanry and divination as a form of scamming.

Wizardry engenders a meaning of sicentific approach. It has been said to mean 'one that holds high knowledge.' More effectively it traces back to one that is a part of the greater turning of events in cyclic history. The wizard is a part of the archtype that reinvests time and space with the ability to continue to exist by being a part of the the eternal comprehension of time and space.

Fitz Rinley

That's just not true. All the D&D people did was come up with a definition of "sorcerer" for D&D. It does not apply to anything other than D&D.

Just to pick an example, take a look at the novel Jhereg, by Steven Brust, and the many other books of that series. They present a well-fleshed-out fantasy setting with sorcerers, called by that name, who don't resemble D&D's sorcerers at all. (Except, of course, in that both use magic of some sort.) And Jhereg was published in 1987, thirteen years before sorcerers existed in D&D.

GW is not "leading the way" by not adhering to D&D's rules. People have been doing that, well, ever since D&D was published.

The rules you keep talking about were never intended for anything except D&D. And five years ago is hardly a long time, if you're talking about D&D's sorcerers.

If we are going to look at the origins of these ideas we would have to go back to records in Egypt, Sumeria, Ur, Tibet, Nineveh, etc. The oldest known text by Nin-me-Sin, an Akkadian Princess and Priestess, may even be the first to deal with the down throwing of wicked priests that were using powers without the Me (sacred authority of heaven).

Modern concepts are heavily influenced by H.P. Lovecraft whose work is compiled into the fictional Necronomicon used by some as a religious work. He wrote horror in the late 1800's if your not familiar with him. If you are I appologise for my presumption.

Friends of mine are under the impression that I perceive GW under the scope of D&D, which I departed from for many years to play other games such as Traveller, Harn, Vampire, and Mage. I really do not find the D&D system to be all that admirable in comparison to White Wolf.

The idea of sorceror is ancient. It is defined in one tract I have, attributed to Prophet Zaotar Zarathushtra from 1750 BCE according to linguistic dating, as someone that brings the lie. While witches are defined as those who summon spiders and unnatural cold.

I don't think in an international setting that there are any rules set a long time ago (past few years) by the Wizards of the Coast think tank which apply to something which in form is as old as written history and oral tradition in every culture our species has ever created.

Fitz Rinley

Firstly

A note: You people are talking about the origins of the word sorcerer in civilization.

A note: This topic is about ideas for new professions.

Secondly

Thanks Fitz for providing the name I was trying to think of
The name Dualist fits the character class well.

I think these are also good ideas.
Here is a list of weapon possibilites I have brought together in my head:

1.Pole/Sticks
2.Dual punching blades.
3.Dual mini-scythes
4.Whip
5.I can't think of a name...like dual mini-hammers, but they have smaller hammer-heads...well.
6.Metal chain.
7.Metal chain and whip

Well I know some of these are 'unrealistic' but I reckon they are pretty good ideas.

Here is my list for armour also:

1.Ninja stylie.
2.Chinese warrior style.
3.Martial arts kit.
4.Baggy clothes, lots of padding, that sought of thing.
5.Chainmail. It would be like the crusaders, covered in cloth (obviously not embroidered with crosses, but perhaps with some other symbol of meaning).

Over to you lads.
And could everyone please return to the topic and drop this sorcerer word history crap...
I mean it!

Good post here, im all about new classes. check out my thread on a class idea of mine, its called "trigger happy".
I hope you like it, you will be the first.

Sadly no matter what you may come up with it will never be a "new" profession...it will just be a mixture of old professions.

Check your attitude at the door, who died and gave you the right to tell people what to do???

Mallets maybe??

Mallets! Thanks

And ya I know most new profession ideas are gonna be mixes of old ones but that's why we talk about it, to try and make a better and better idea that is different to the other ones.

And this thread kinda died, cos there are new threads on the same topic.

I agree

New Profession/Class Idea....

Half Giant (slightly bigger/muscular than warriors)

Attack type:
- Hand to hand combat

Weapons:
- Gauntlets/special gloves
- gauntlets with blades for some bleeding/slash skills
- steel/metallic gauntlets for knock downs

Skills:
- bleeding/slashing (like warrior)
- knock downs (like warrior, dolyaks and earth ele)
- throws (not sure if it's possible but would be interesting to see... imagine seeing enemies being thrown when there are mobs running at you)
- Skin alteration (skin can harden and possibly turn into different materials this will have increase armor but will slow him down. It can also have increase defense against elements)
- War cries (this can assist the party or prevent enemy from attacking... dizziness, disoriented)


Attributes:
Strength (knock downs and throws)
Modification (skin alteration)
War cries
Tactics

Advantages:
- strong
- good defense against elements due to skin alterations
- gauntlets can increase dmg
- can aid party with war cries/shouts
- can stun enemies with war cries/shouts
- also uses adrenalin

Disadvantages:
- slow attack speed
- slow casting skills
- armor not as strong as worrior due to the skin alteration (increases armor for a peroid of time)
- cannot hold a weapon
- low energy storage

Ok there... that's my input. I know that people are probably gonna bash this idea. But ah well.... it was actually fun thinking about a new class. I also know that there are similarities between a half giant and the warriors but we need more variety when it comes to tanks. Because half giants can still look like humans.... Anet can incorporate them to fit the story.

comments (good and bad) is appreciated.

That's very creative. I like the idea. I would not use the term Half-giant, on the off chance that there are any possible legal complications with WotC. A slightly larger skin and warrior base could be used and call it the Brawler, Pugilist, Etc.

I would work this with a comparable dualist, or speed style combatant. In the same way that the Mesmer is a fast caster a dualist would be able to:

1) Function at increased response speed,
2) Have lower base AC, but a couple of good fast tactical Stances.
3) Attack/Skill areas: Feints (tactics), Parries (Weapon based), Thrusts (Str).
4) Slightly faster regen rate in energy than typical fighter.

This would give the Cestus wielding Pugilist you describe as an equal to the slower magical power house of the Elementalist or Necromancer. The Warrior would be in the middle as seems to be the Monk and Ranger. Then the Dualist would be at the faster combat end just as the Mesmer is at the faster magical end.

Fitz Rinley

Both are very good ideas IMO

Thank you Valdis. He's good. I just happened to be standing there. <Grin>

Fitz Rinley

Combining classes! N/W could be Shadow Master. M/R or R/W could be Rogue.
R/W or W/R could be ninja. Mo/W or W/mo could be Divine Warrior. N/M could be Deathly Illusionist. E/MO could be Elemental Healer. E/W could be Elemental Warrior. etc. etc.

Monseir,

With all do respect. Any magic using class where the warrior is primary will never be of value. The costs are too high. The warrior has to focus on warrior based attribues and free areas. If lucky and the only survivor, the warrior can res the healer who can re-establish the party before the next wave arrives. After 20 levels and discussions in these forums I have learned the ambience of a secondary class is an illusion to make one feel better, not a reality of any merrit. Our Divine Warriors are only people that got to play deacon for a semester in Middle School.

Fitz Rinley

Look at me. I'm a W/E, using a shocking chaos axe and glimmering mark. Blinding FTW. Only other 10-energy skill I use is Conjure Lightning sometimes.
Rest are adrenaline attacks or 5-energy stances. I survive.