Today, We had the displeasure of falling victim to the waiting game for the victory in GvG. We were facing an undefeated 8 monk smite build and what started out as a great match, turned into one of the lamest GvG's we've experienced to date.
We won the flag stand and pushed the enemy back early on. At the 30 min. mark, we took down their npc's. Then started the whole waiting game.
I do not recall the map, but there was quicksand and the GL area is very small surrounded by walls and 2 small entrances from the front and side. In this tiny area the monks decided to ball up and smite anyone that came in. While in a healing ball the monks were able to stay up indefinately.
It became evident that their build could not beat us, and ours could not finish them off given their surroundings and the build utilizing it to it's advantage. The only choice for victory to be decided was through an open field battle.
The 8 monk guild however decided to wait us out unitll we dropped for the win. After 2 hours of waiting for them to come out and fight us, we were forced to resign due to members needing sleep.
What do you do in that situation? What happens in a stalemate given a particular build and the surroundings it's made for. How do you finish the match if not by waiting out the opposition? Should there be a time limit?
I'd hate to see this become the new trend in GvG. There must be a solution OTHER than waiting the other team out for the win given the situation.
Lamest GvG Strat Ever! Anet PLEASE do something
Mystic Marz
Makkert
What a waste of time...
tombs may have it's terrible sides, but thank god this isn't one of them...(or I haven't whitnessed it yet)
tombs may have it's terrible sides, but thank god this isn't one of them...(or I haven't whitnessed it yet)
Thurston Killgore
why should anet nerf this strat; i was there and this is a laughing stock, u guys are obviously noobs, you took this shit build of a ranger spike into GVG...be creative, you couldn't beat us and u realized this..and your 4 energy regen ranger with no boots.....thats been screen shotted; you guys are cheaters, you know it and i know it..we beat you with environment surroundings(walls)-strategy vs any type of ranger spike build..go back to the drawing board....a good defense is a good offense..
/pwned accept defeat now
/pwned accept defeat now
Kassad
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Originally Posted by Thurston Killgore
/pwned accept defeat now
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You didnt pwn anything, except 2 hours from 16 peoples lives they could have spent with their family instead of being retards and camping in a video game that wont help you in the future.
unienaule
Somebody is missing a huge opportunity to flame Thurston here, so I'm going to step up and take one for the team. How the hell can you say they sucked when you obviously couldn't kill them either? That is the most idiotic thing i've ever heard. "You guys suck since you couldn't kill us when we hid." I don't see you killing them. Talk about a trash build. "Hey, let's go heal ball with 8 monks, THATS a great idea. I'm sure we can kill LOTS of people that way." Oh, and if it's "screen shotted," (sic) why don't I see it anywhere?
NightOwl
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Originally Posted by Thurston Killgore
4 energy regen ranger with no boots
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Anraeth
well for one, im reporting your post for containing names.
2. I thought this was funny.
3. I hope you had fun Mystics.
4. I love you thurston.
2. I thought this was funny.
3. I hope you had fun Mystics.
4. I love you thurston.
Anraeth
night owl, its a glitch where you put necromancer boots on a ranger. well, exploit really.
unienaule
And? How does one go about exploiting this?
Anraeth
there was a way to equip them about 2 weeks ago onto a pvp character, but it was patched so that you couldnt make the glitched characters anylonger.
Shadowdaemon
how is them coming into the open where they cant beat you, any different then you coming into where they were where you couldnt beat them, unfortunately you dont get to decide where the other teams goes, and when they should just let you win, good job thurston, thats funny
Takeko Nakano
Thurston
I will not pass comment on any team's builds. But you are a really sad individual for buffing yourself up there. You lost the game effectively, because YOU couldn't take down Mystic's team. They killed you more often than you killed them, otherwise they wouldn't have killed the NPCs and got control of the flag.
GW is indeed about tactics - my old guild had quite a few wins by actually using their heads. But camping is not tactics - it's a noob, last-ditch attempt at putting off defeat. Even if it works, it is not what the devs envisenged when they made the game. Trying to defend the GL until the team could get an advantage is one thing - waiting two hours for the other guild to disconnect, and not bothering to even try and get an advantage back, is the height of lameness.
It also probably indicates that you have nothing else better to do, so I can only pitty you
I will not pass comment on any team's builds. But you are a really sad individual for buffing yourself up there. You lost the game effectively, because YOU couldn't take down Mystic's team. They killed you more often than you killed them, otherwise they wouldn't have killed the NPCs and got control of the flag.
GW is indeed about tactics - my old guild had quite a few wins by actually using their heads. But camping is not tactics - it's a noob, last-ditch attempt at putting off defeat. Even if it works, it is not what the devs envisenged when they made the game. Trying to defend the GL until the team could get an advantage is one thing - waiting two hours for the other guild to disconnect, and not bothering to even try and get an advantage back, is the height of lameness.
It also probably indicates that you have nothing else better to do, so I can only pitty you
FrogDevourer
Yet another unoriginal griefing build designed to get a draw, and not a win. Congratulations for wasting your time and your opponents' time. Now you can proceed to stage 2: how can I make build to win instead of griefing my opponent.
I don't see the point of starting this thread, as we can see similar turtle builds from Random Arena players every couple of days. I don't see the point reporting this thread either. It's a stupid strategy, so take the responsability for using it. Mystic's teams was either stupid or desperate (guild rank) to waste 2 hours on this game.
I don't see the point of starting this thread, as we can see similar turtle builds from Random Arena players every couple of days. I don't see the point reporting this thread either. It's a stupid strategy, so take the responsability for using it. Mystic's teams was either stupid or desperate (guild rank) to waste 2 hours on this game.
Takeko Nakano
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Originally Posted by FrogDevourer
Yet another unoriginal griefing build designed to get a draw, and not a win. Congratulations for wasting your time and your opponents' time. Now you can proceed to stage 2: how can I make build to win instead of griefing my opponent.
I don't see the point of starting this thread, as we can see similar turtle builds from Random Arena players every couple of days. I don't see the point reporting this thread either. It's a stupid strategy, so take the responsability for using it. Mystic's teams was either stupid or desperate (guild rank) to waste 2 hours on this game. |
Midknight
Alright guys, there's a few things we need to pick out of this information before we make accusations and get all sour.
First off, as a member of TSF, you might expect me to root for Thurston and support everything he has to say. This will not be true here.
It sounds like it was a good guild match to start off with. When things turned sour is when TSF used their GL area as a barrier to arrows. This is a perfectly legitimate tactic. It was how we countered many ranger spikes and spirt spammers before. Camping there for an hour and a half is not a legit strategy.
However, given the situation, TSF didn't seem to have much of a choice.
If Thurston says you guys were cheating, and has pics to prove it, that is a MAJOR statement. Cheating vs. Camping does not look well on the cheaters. I personally don't know if that's true, but upon seeing the screenshot, I may say you guys deserved to lose.
Not in a sense that you lost anyway. TSF won by default. Default wins should not happen.
Yes, ANET should put a system in to where a never ending struggle will be resolved. Perhaps the guild lords should run out to the flag stand and attack each other until one is dead. That would take the camping strategy away, and place emphasis on moving as a group, and general protection of the team.
Having said all of this, I find it rude to criticize another team's build when ignorance is a major key factor. We play our own invented build. It's very difficult to run, and requires a special player to play it well. We are not a turtle build and can typically wipe out teams at astonishing rates. Furthermore, it is believed that we are undefeated because we use this strategy every time. In every GvG we've played so far, we have pushed everyone else to camping, so we know what it's like to wait on the outside. It sucks, but careful target calling, misdirection, timing, and overall skill usually breaks the stalemate.
Lesson:Let us GvG fairly from now on, and one shall prevail.
First off, as a member of TSF, you might expect me to root for Thurston and support everything he has to say. This will not be true here.
It sounds like it was a good guild match to start off with. When things turned sour is when TSF used their GL area as a barrier to arrows. This is a perfectly legitimate tactic. It was how we countered many ranger spikes and spirt spammers before. Camping there for an hour and a half is not a legit strategy.
However, given the situation, TSF didn't seem to have much of a choice.
If Thurston says you guys were cheating, and has pics to prove it, that is a MAJOR statement. Cheating vs. Camping does not look well on the cheaters. I personally don't know if that's true, but upon seeing the screenshot, I may say you guys deserved to lose.
Not in a sense that you lost anyway. TSF won by default. Default wins should not happen.
Yes, ANET should put a system in to where a never ending struggle will be resolved. Perhaps the guild lords should run out to the flag stand and attack each other until one is dead. That would take the camping strategy away, and place emphasis on moving as a group, and general protection of the team.
Having said all of this, I find it rude to criticize another team's build when ignorance is a major key factor. We play our own invented build. It's very difficult to run, and requires a special player to play it well. We are not a turtle build and can typically wipe out teams at astonishing rates. Furthermore, it is believed that we are undefeated because we use this strategy every time. In every GvG we've played so far, we have pushed everyone else to camping, so we know what it's like to wait on the outside. It sucks, but careful target calling, misdirection, timing, and overall skill usually breaks the stalemate.
Lesson:Let us GvG fairly from now on, and one shall prevail.
Makkert
well, sanity has come back to this thread. Midnight, I agree with you here.
It was a stalemate, and I belief both guilds had not much of a way of winning this.
Thurston, I'm not sure if you realise this, but you are a bad advertisement for your guild. Why? I'd let you figure that one out yourself...
As for this glitch thing, report the abuser to ANet, and play on. Let them deal with it.
Back to topic: it is obvious that neither party will have had a great night here. I hope changes will be made (like 'the match has ended in a draw' ?) to prevent this boredom fest.
It was a stalemate, and I belief both guilds had not much of a way of winning this.
Thurston, I'm not sure if you realise this, but you are a bad advertisement for your guild. Why? I'd let you figure that one out yourself...
As for this glitch thing, report the abuser to ANet, and play on. Let them deal with it.
Back to topic: it is obvious that neither party will have had a great night here. I hope changes will be made (like 'the match has ended in a draw' ?) to prevent this boredom fest.
Calnaion Blackhawk
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Originally Posted by Thurston Killgore
why should anet nerf this strat; i was there and this is a laughing stock, u guys are obviously noobs, you took this shit build of a ranger spike into GVG...be creative, you couldn't beat us and u realized this..and your 4 energy regen ranger with no boots.....thats been screen shotted; you guys are cheaters, you know it and i know it..we beat you with environment surroundings(walls)-strategy vs any type of ranger spike build..go back to the drawing board....a good defense is a good offense..
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haha u owned them, seriously guys, this is getting out of hand, EVERY SINGLE GOOD BUILD is being whined at by lil faggots who cant take that someone else has a better build and better co-ordination, that monk build takes ALOT of practise and co-ordination to work in effect.. well done to you guys winning
Thurston Killgore
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flame..me i dont bitch on forums because I cant win..and midknight i know u dont agree with what i said; but u are correct with "It sounds like it was a good guild match to start off with. When things turned sour is when TSF used their GL area as a barrier to arrows. This is a perfectly legitimate tactic. " and Shadowdaemon is correct...we used tactics..we turned this street battle into an RTS...justify it as this....a ranger without boots fishy? indeed
flame..me i dont bitch on forums because I cant win..and midknight i know u dont agree with what i said; but u are correct with "It sounds like it was a good guild match to start off with. When things turned sour is when TSF used their GL area as a barrier to arrows. This is a perfectly legitimate tactic. " and Shadowdaemon is correct...we used tactics..we turned this street battle into an RTS...justify it as this....a ranger without boots fishy? indeed
melvy
Oh man-up and take the loss! You could have come in and taken our GL anytime to end the match. You are going to have to learn to turtle bust sooner or later and we just gave you your first lesson.
Lucifer PVP
Well, attached is a pic of Four Energy Reg .. somewhat explaining how the glitch worked .. this was taken a few weeks ago and already reported it back then..enjoy 
Lucifer PVP
and this next pic is him without his boots once again in pvp arena
Not to say this matters a huge deal, just to point out that one of them likely was cheating.
Not to say this matters a huge deal, just to point out that one of them likely was cheating.
mamluk
Personally after seeing the exploit that MM is using, I hope they get their accounts banned. I think its hilarious they waited 2 hours to lose. No respect for exploiters and cheaters. And to think that one of them had the temerity to complain!!! 
Personally I think that the guild lords need to rush out during 'victory or death' and battle it out in the middle, then again you might get a lot of guild building around to use that, making for some long and boring matches.
Personally I think that the guild lords need to rush out during 'victory or death' and battle it out in the middle, then again you might get a lot of guild building around to use that, making for some long and boring matches.
Lucifer PVP
I would just say on top of their cheating this was their maturity level in game
Dion Star
What this guy is not telling you is they (WW) did come in to fight us (TSF) many times. Every time we would decimate all but their 2 heal monks. They would then res back at base and of course we could not cap the flag because they would take us if we where in the open. OR they would just re cap it in less than 2 min so we would not get the moral boost. In the end we had no DP because they would come in and die so often that we worked off our DP in about 8 minutes. They held the flag stand so we could not work up the DP on them they would just pull back and wait.
The match did end after they made one more assault with 7 players that ended in them running back. At that point we charged them out and they drooped from match as we came in and took out their GL.
We used the lay of the land to win this match. Against odds of them exploiting the ranger energy regen and holding the flag stand.
If they where the better team they could have came in and owned our base and killed out GL or worked our DP. But because they did not own us as they are saying we had NO DP because we didn’t die. We just chose to fight them smart.
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and BTW we did not run seed ball.. We did have a LB prot monk and 2 heal monks.
The match did end after they made one more assault with 7 players that ended in them running back. At that point we charged them out and they drooped from match as we came in and took out their GL.
We used the lay of the land to win this match. Against odds of them exploiting the ranger energy regen and holding the flag stand.
If they where the better team they could have came in and owned our base and killed out GL or worked our DP. But because they did not own us as they are saying we had NO DP because we didn’t die. We just chose to fight them smart.
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and BTW we did not run seed ball.. We did have a LB prot monk and 2 heal monks.
Mystic Marz
FER conflict will be resolved. This is getting out of hand. I'll delete screenies for the sake of ending this. The point was that something has to be done in GvG if there is a stalemate given certain builds and the environment they're setup for. A game shoudn't have to go on forever untill one team drops. In the end it's just a loss.
melvy
Put your boots on and come in and fight us, the match would have been over in less then 15 minutes... problem solved.
=HT=Ingram
Common Mods. Close this already. its nothing but a flame war on both sides anyway.
Mystic Marz
agreed. Close it. Delete it.
Oryaka Drake
You know what is really sad... the fact that you actually took pictures of the conversation... how important you must feel that you take time out of your life to argue about a game for over i would guess now 5 to 10 hours of your life... Get a job, or if you in school why dont you study.
unienaule
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Put your boots on and come in and fight us, the match would have been over in less then 15 minutes... problem solved.
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Dion Star
MM I think to be fair you should drop from the ladder and the current tournament. Using the Ranger/boots exploiting is cheating and if you are all about doing the right thing then dropping from the ladder after this mess you created would be the right thing to do.
You didn't think about the ranger spike build before you GVGed and it caused you to loose the match. You didn't think about what would happen if you posted about the loss in the forums with all the obvious evidence of you cheating and your great display of maturity in game.
AND before people flame on, let me remind you THEY posted first.
MM you have been caught red handed, I just hope Anet is watching No wonder you want to kill this thread.
You didn't think about the ranger spike build before you GVGed and it caused you to loose the match. You didn't think about what would happen if you posted about the loss in the forums with all the obvious evidence of you cheating and your great display of maturity in game.
AND before people flame on, let me remind you THEY posted first.
MM you have been caught red handed, I just hope Anet is watching No wonder you want to kill this thread.
dansamy
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agreed. Close it. Delete it.
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Brock
I have a question, Why should we be kicked from the ladder after our hard work moving up the ladder when one ranger without us knowing was using this glitch, He is new to our guild and we didn't know of him using this glitch, and none of our other rangers were using it.
I mean really this has to be the most stupid excuse ever, One ranger with one more energy regen made our 8 man team unstoppable?
I mean really this has to be the most stupid excuse ever, One ranger with one more energy regen made our 8 man team unstoppable?
Dion Star
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Originally Posted by Brock
I have a question, Why should we be kicked from the ladder after our hard work moving up the ladder when one ranger without us knowing was using this glitch, He is new to our guild and we didn't know of him using this glitch, and none of our other rangers were using it.
I mean really this has to be the most stupid excuse ever, One ranger with one more energy regen made our 8 man team unstoppable? |
Brock,
you should know who you have playing for you and their setup. There is no excuse for MM's cheating. I never said anything about it being unstoppable, in fact we ended up wining the match, remember? *I* feel because you used this exploit it speaks volumes for the integrity of your guild. A cheat is a cheat and should be stopped at once with serious repercussion. e.g. MM dropped from the ladder as an example so other ranger spike teams will not use this same exploit.
Thurston Killgore
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Originally Posted by Brock
I have a question, Why should we be kicked from the ladder after our hard work moving up the ladder when one ranger without us knowing was using this glitch, He is new to our guild and we didn't know of him using this glitch, and none of our other rangers were using it.
I mean really this has to be the most stupid excuse ever, One ranger with one more energy regen made our 8 man team unstoppable? |
Brock
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Brock,
you should know who you have playing for you and their setup. There is no excuse for MM's cheating. I never said anything about it being unstoppable, in fact we ended up wining the match, remember? *I* feel because you used this exploit it speaks volumes for the integrity of your guild. A cheat is a cheat and should be stopped at once with serious repercussion. e.g. MM dropped from the ladder as an example so other ranger spike teams will not use this same exploit. |
But i know we did not know of this exploit and would not have used it even if we had known of it and would have made that member stop right away, This is the first time we've heard of this exploit.
Teddy Bear
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Originally Posted by Brock
I have a question, Why should we be kicked from the ladder after our hard work moving up the ladder when one ranger without us knowing was using this glitch, He is new to our guild and we didn't know of him using this glitch, and none of our other rangers were using it.
I mean really this has to be the most stupid excuse ever, One ranger with one more energy regen made our 8 man team unstoppable? |
lol using a ranger spike build and moving up the ladder isn't hard at all
and im sure only 1 of your rangers was using the cheat u all most likely or most of u were using it
Mimi Miyagi
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I understand a exploit is cheap, I do not support taken advantage of bugs or exploits or any kind of cheating and i would leave MM right away if i thought they were using a exploit to move up the ladder,
But i know we did not know of this exploit and would not have used it even if we had known of it and would have made that member stop right away, This is the first time we've heard of this exploit. |
Not only was he cheating, but he was ADVERTISING he was cheating. Do you think TSF would've noticed otherwise? Who looks at boots?
Either your team is just the stupidest people on the ladder, or you think everyone ELSE is.
Not that I care, I don't belong to TSF - or even like them.
Lucifer PVP
Listen he isn't that new to guild i reported him prior when he did it in comp arena quite awhile ago when he was under MM.. but all aside this isn't worth it, ban him if what my screen shot was is true.
We are done.
TSF
:Out
We are done.
TSF
:Out
Brock
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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi
Now, this is just absurd. To claim you or your team didn't know about the exploit - AND THE DOOD's NAME SPELLS IT OUT (Four Energy Regen)????? You think people are just stupid or born yesterday?
Not only was he cheating, but he was ADVERTISING he was cheating. Do you think TSF would've noticed otherwise? Who looks at boots? Either your team is just the stupidest people on the ladder, or you think everyone ELSE is. Not that I care, I don't belong to TSF - or even like them. |