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unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

19 Oct 2005 at 00:43 - 1

I'm not quite sure if this is against some obscure forum rule or not, but here goes.
Last night/this morning, I ran into a bunch of friends in Ascalon American D1. We noticed someone playing rock-paper-scissors for money, and joined in. It was great fun, there were many hilarios emotes used, money made and lost, ale consumed, etc. This should occur more often, possibly, a GwG-sponsored RPS tournament? Feel free to comment/flame this as you wish.
Btw, the people there were myself, Savio, huh, and somebody else here whom I forget.

Borislav Vladislav

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Chicago, Illinois

Ascendence of the Fallen

19 Oct 2005 at 01:01 - 2

lol ill take a good game of dice anyday over paper,rock, scissors the only problem with dice is that uc ant play inside of outposts

Believe

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

GRT

Mo/W

19 Oct 2005 at 01:04 - 3

Rock papper sis is stupid to play, take for example the warrior Is always Rock. So what would be the point to gamble on it unless you know Rock will win.

nicky nightmare

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

between a rock and a hard place......

Miendrak'el Myrth (MeM

19 Oct 2005 at 01:04 - 4

you can play dice???? how?

Signet of Humility

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

19 Oct 2005 at 01:12 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicky nightmare

you can play dice???? how?

on betas
there was a roll the dice
whoever gets highest gets money
type /roll (insert Number here )

it was pretty funny
while waiting for the beta to end
everybody was rolling for money
and buying their fav armor
it was fun
and while doing so
u saw those WORMS!!
attack u
they pop out of the ground and ah!!HH!!

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

19 Oct 2005 at 01:30 - 6

Actually, you can still do /roll ##. It just doesn't work in towns, that's all.

As for me betting, well, it's not my fault. I was testing the Knight's/Absorption thing yet again when I happened to warp into d1.

Ghozer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Sheffield, England, UK

Super Cute And Fluffy [scF]

E/

19 Oct 2005 at 01:50 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Believe

Rock papper sis is stupid to play, take for example the warrior Is always Rock. So what would be the point to gamble on it unless you know Rock will win.

Dude, the warrior isnt always rock..

/paper - its paper, your chara is paper,. you choose.. paper
/rock - same as above, but just rock..
/scissors - again, - seeing a pattern?

if your just typing /rock all the time, then you will always get a rock..

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

19 Oct 2005 at 01:52 - 8

They removed the dice /roll command from the towns due to the sheer gambling with it in the towns.

It's probably a similar situation rock / paper / scissor for gold but if they don't complain about it / nerf the emote in town I think Anet doesn't mind. I don't see spams for R/P/S gambling like the huge spam dice roll for gambling was myself.

huh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hou Lan Geng [HLG]

19 Oct 2005 at 02:10 - 9

Yeah it was great fun.
So much better than farming and I daresay, the odds are better too!

The only ones there I can remember were unienaule, Savio, and Scarlet (though I'm not sure if Scarlet is a member of this forum).

"peer into my eyes and foresee your impending doom"
Hahaahahahaha

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

19 Oct 2005 at 08:49 - 10

yea we were playing in team arenas with pets doing pet fighting gambling 1 on 1. it was discouraged... lets just say that. Arenanet was OK to some extent with the idea, but the concept of c0ck fighting basically was still an issue for many... so it stopped pretty fast.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

19 Oct 2005 at 09:14 - 11

Lol, anyway, its going on again, right now, in ascalon d1, if anyone wants to come join.

IceD'Bear

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Awoken Myth [MYTH]

Mo/

19 Oct 2005 at 09:46 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guildwars.com

Rules of Conduct Enforced 24 May 2005

Due to the proliferation of casinos and their potential for player abuse, we will be blocking the accounts of those who advertise or operate casinos or other gambling schemes within the game, effective immediately. Players should be aware that casinos are a breach of the Rules of Conduct, as is the advertisement or promotion of cheats, hacks, of exploits. None of these things will be accepted within Guild Wars.

Do I need to say more?

You can find this news item in the news archives for the second quarter of 2005.

Echo Flanger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

19 Oct 2005 at 12:41 - 13

Woww that makes no sense. What players do with their funds should be their business. How is that an exploit?? Its like transferring money for goods. Is that an exploit? Foolish if you askme. In fact explain this to me. Who does it hurt? Not only that, but as i check through code of conduct i see no indication of anything related to gambling there. If they banned an account because of it they'd be in the wrong there, user agreement said nothing about it and it is not an exploit or hack.

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

19 Oct 2005 at 12:48 - 14

I could be wrong.

But maybe Anet are afraid of little Timmys mommy suing them for corrupting their child.

Either that or they mean players using it to expliot others, but i dont see how.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

19 Oct 2005 at 12:53 - 15

Eh, chalk ANOTHER ONE up for the idiots who ruin fun things for the rest of us.

Hate

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Lions Arch

19 Oct 2005 at 13:19 - 16

Sounds fun, but I don't see how it's a so called 'exploit'.

Calnaion Blackhawk

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

England , Wiltshire

[mB] Mental Block

E/

19 Oct 2005 at 14:04 - 17

haha i think this would be great idea, down the ale and spend your plat!

kawaii_bat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada, Gatineau

None

Mo/R

19 Oct 2005 at 14:17 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by aron searle

I could be wrong.

But maybe Anet are afraid of little Timmys mommy suing them for corrupting their child.

Either that or they mean players using it to expliot others, but i dont see how.

They *are* afraid that other players will exploit that's why they keep the actual Droll and rPS games but don't permit players from having a guild/business about it.

Oh and you can cheat by typing:

person: Hey guys this is my dice roll hope for the best!<==1st line on text
person rolls a 100 on a 100 sided dice <==2nd lign on same text

it resembles the exact same thing as actually rolling the dice, in white and is *totaly* cheating!

huh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hou Lan Geng [HLG]

19 Oct 2005 at 14:30 - 19

I don't know about the roll game as I've never played it before.

But as far as I know, there really is no way to cheat for rock, paper, and scissors.
The animations are pretty obvious.

I suppose the only reason is scammers.
People who play and don't pay and other such garbage which will lead some to report to Anet and they'll get flooded with more scamming crap.

I've played with quite a few people yesterday and today, and my friend's list grew bigger because of it

At least its a good way to determine who won't bitch and whine and steal your drops and play the waiting game when there's a glob of ectoplasm there for you.
On the downside, I've had to add someone to my ignore list for the first time ever.

Echo Flanger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

19 Oct 2005 at 21:17 - 20

Impossible to cheat at rock paper scissors... its not "Person gets rock" its "Person plays rock paper scissors" and animations are up. Plus theres a ref to verify if its rock paper or scissors. Therefore its not an exploit, not a hack, the only way you get scammed is if someone doesnt pay. That happened to me twice and I "lost" 15000 for it so from now on when i pay I make sure the person has the money they're betting. If they dont pay i just dont play with them again... whatever.

Echo Flanger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

19 Oct 2005 at 22:42 - 21

One more thing.... Today i had some people flaming me in public that i'm "Scamming" players. Explain this to me. How is it possible? Please don't waste your time in public screamin "SCAM" when obviously its impossible to scam something BOTH PLAYERS can see. If you start at the same time... and each player sees the other players hand... then there is no way you can scam as in DICE which is text based. Quick runthrough here.

1. Place your bet with other player.
2. Show bet to other player in trade (If it's 2K, both players show 2K in trade)
3. Line up, count down 3-2-1-go.
4. Both players check other players hand.
5. Tally up score as of that round. 1-0 or 0-0.
6. Play until 3 rounds have been played and tally again. 1-0 and 2-0 are winning scores. 0-0 and 1-1 are played out as tiebreaker rounds until one person wins a round.
7. Pay the other player.

How can you scam this? "The Antichrist" accuses me of scamming others and says its a "well known scam" and "look it up on google". Well... wtf. There is no casino rake (which would be a "ref" taking both players bets then taking some of the money off the pot) its player to player. There is ONE WAY you can scam someone else. You lose, then you quit or dont pay. These players are then recorded by myself and others who saw it, and not allowed to play until they pay off their debts. So since there are no "casinos" or "managers" to run these games... just a bunch of players getting together playing and paying each other... There is no possible scam. Sorry. STFU "Antichrist".

Sergio Leone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dallas, TX

The International Terrorists [USA]

W/Mo

20 Oct 2005 at 02:08 - 22

Hey anyone want to setup a planned tourny or gambling night Friday or something at like 9 or 10 eastern. We can all just gather in a some random district (i.e. The Wilds International District 3) or something like that. Bring how ever much you want. It would be a great way to make new friends and meet some new people. Anyone who wants to help me set this up (huh and unienaule seem to be the ones to set it up) please PM me or post here.

Fian Adair

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dublin, Ireland

An Cuallacht

R/Me

20 Oct 2005 at 12:43 - 23

What I wouldn't give for a poker room in Guild Wars...two of my favourite past-times combined!

Echo Flanger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

20 Oct 2005 at 21:08 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fian Adair

What I wouldn't give for a poker room in Guild Wars...two of my favourite past-times combined!

Exactly what i said last night. Big huge multi-table tournaments, i'd be freakin rolling in dough! It'd be way easier than rock paper scissors, which is easy enough as it is (Chalk up another 10K in winnings last night)

Alex Weekes

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Brighton, UK

20 Oct 2005 at 21:16 - 25

re: the gambling, you need to keep in mind that the laws pertaining to "online gambling" around the world vary markedly. In Australia, since 2001 (Interactive Gambling Act 2001), it is illegal for anyone to provide an online gambling service to anyone physically present in Australia.

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

20 Oct 2005 at 21:25 - 26

Here's a current link to the Australian ComLaw website:
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/Legi...25702600029F0C

Now, could someone tell me how it affects GW? Is betting for virtual money as illegal as betting for real money? (I couldn't stand reading all of that.)

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

20 Oct 2005 at 22:45 - 27

(3) For the purposes of this Act, none of the following services is a prohibited Internet gambling service:

(aa) an excluded wagering service (see section 8A);

(ab) an excluded gaming service (see section 8B);

(ac) a service that has a designated broadcasting link (see section 8C);
(ad) a service that has a designated datacasting link (see section 8C);

8C Designated broadcasting link and designated datacasting link

Designated broadcasting link

(1) For the purposes of this Act, a gambling service has a designated broadcasting link if:

(a) either:

(i) the service is expressly and exclusively associated with a particular program, or a particular series of programs, broadcast on a broadcasting service

It's really only possible to play RPS for fake money in Guild Wars.

Alex Weekes

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Brighton, UK

20 Oct 2005 at 23:42 - 28

OK, probably a bad example

(although I believe the law is largely untested, and therefore open for courtroom interpretation). Point is, there's a lot more to think about with a global game that runs the same client worldwide.

Fian Adair

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dublin, Ireland

An Cuallacht

R/Me

21 Oct 2005 at 00:55 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

Gambling leaves a trail of human misery and dispair in it's wake! Were we to introduce a Casino in Lion's Arch, the crime rate would surely double the Tyrian average! Brothels and houses of sin and smut would crop up in their dozens! The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil (1 Timothy 6:10) and the love of money is at the very heart of gambling!!! HEATHENS!

I say we start an unofficial guilwarsguru.com poker tournament on one of the online poker rooms...

Sergio Leone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dallas, TX

The International Terrorists [USA]

W/Mo

21 Oct 2005 at 01:12 - 30

Seriously let's meet tomorrow night at 10 PM Eastern U.S. We can have some rock paper scissors matches and stuff. The location will be.....Magumma Stade International District 2. Bring ANYONE you can it'll be great! See you all there hopefully.

Once there dignify yourself as here for RCS and meet at storage.

huh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hou Lan Geng [HLG]

21 Oct 2005 at 03:46 - 31

Well we have had an NCSoft representative posting in this thread and no mention about it against the rulings of EULA or ToS.
Only federal laws in countries...but unienaule's research shows otherwise.
And I also checked the Guild Wars rules page and didn't notice anything about gambling for virtual money...unless they updated in the past 10 minutes.

With this in mind I say this:
Come one come all!
Down the Dwarven Ale and gamble your money away!
That fissure armour you've been wanting so badly could be just a few rocks, papers, or scissors away!
So is the route that leads to "please can i have some money so i can get my super power uber unstoppable drakor's fork armour".... (hopefully those who lose won't resort to such things though)

I assure this, as long as everybody who plays is honourable, we'd have a damn good time.
And as common sense and honour goes, gamble with what you have, not with an empty storage and hoping to win the next bet.
Its also a great way to meet up with farming groups cos you'd know they won't make off with your item (depending on the size of your bets of course).

To illustrate my point:
If you play for 500g a round, and an ecto drops, there's no assurance.
If you play for 50k a round, and an ecto drops, you're pretty sure you won't get screwed over.
Choose who you gamble with wisely and flash the cash before the gamble to be safe

I won't be playing for a few days though.
Damn exams coming up.

Sergio Leone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dallas, TX

The International Terrorists [USA]

W/Mo

21 Oct 2005 at 21:15 - 32

Dang huh and I was hoping to see ya there. Well I have recently learned that I have an event to go tonight so I MIGHT (not for sure but might) be a little late to the event. If tonight doesn't go very well we will have to set up another one, but I'll see everyone there later!

Fian Adair

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dublin, Ireland

An Cuallacht

R/Me

22 Oct 2005 at 00:05 - 33

This should definitely be organised...but with a bit more notice!

And you think Rock Paper Scissors is a game of chance? Think again! I'll be studying this in the run up to any RPS gambling...

http://www.worldrps.com/advanced.html

Sergio Leone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dallas, TX

The International Terrorists [USA]

W/Mo

22 Oct 2005 at 02:03 - 34

Yeah I'll/someone will plan it better next time.