Why putting greens in SF was the worst thing ever

One and Two

One and Two

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26 Oct 2005 at 06:15 - 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by avoll
The big problem, if there is a problem at all.
Is people will pay tons of gold for green stuff.
but in a few months you prob wont even be able to give the stuff away
cuz the market will be so flooded with them
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with both parts of this.

People do NOT pay a ton of gold for greens.

And the market won't become oversaturated that you can't even give them away.

That was a notion born the day Sorrow's came out, and people were bidding 3g on greens, in belief that they were too easy to get.

Obviously, with some greens running 10k based on the item and buyer, it is not the case.

generik

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26 Oct 2005 at 08:00 - 42
Same thing with ectos, people are farming them all the time, there must be plenty right?

Wrong, anti farming protection kicks in, prices will RISE and not fall.

Eet GnomeSmasher

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26 Oct 2005 at 08:10 - 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by curserwigger
The reason I think greens were a bad idea is because now any noob player can pay under 10k for an item that is pretty much the best.
Oh yes. Because you're only "leet" when you can pay 100k for an "uber" max stats item.

Trance Addict

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26 Oct 2005 at 09:34 - 44
Well, some green items are still quite hard to find. I've been looking for Gordac's Holy Rod since SF came out, and I just got it yesterday for 55k + 7 random gold items.

avoll

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26 Oct 2005 at 10:21 - 45
Some of the green swords and sheilds are selling for up to 60k or more
I would say thats tons of gold for some players

And I would say the market has become more and more oversaturated each day
Yes there still worth a fair amount now
But in 3 months or so there price will drop dramatically

Also comparing ecto to green items is a poor assessment
Because ectos hold a means of currency in the game, for traders trading high priced items (more then 100k)

any ways its good they added the greens
personally I wouldNT care if all bossZ droped green loot
dont care either way realE

Pandora's box

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26 Oct 2005 at 11:03 - 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaglorD
lol GW is not WOW or Diablo where items win over skills. Making items with special possibly uber mods could well unbalance the game and make it necessary to have these items to compete.
A good game is based both on skills and items. Diablo was such a game. People who think its only items ruling in d2/lod did not understand the game. Without a good build skilltree you were nowhere in pvp. Even 1 skillpoint spent in the wrong slot could make the difference. Items were there to complete a build, nothing else.

About greens in SW and farming: Its not really a problem and I think it would not make any difference if greens dropped everywhere: With some gold you can buy them. I bought Yakslapper for 17k and Stonehart for 10k. Did not take more than 5 minutes in each case. So whats the point at all where they drop?

Echo Flanger

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26 Oct 2005 at 11:28 - 47
What anet should do to combat this entire thing... even though it seems as if they're creating it purposely... is to put new items in. Stuff sells so cheap and prices drop dramatically all the time. Bought a 5:1 vamp string, looked forever, couldnt find less than 20K so i got it for 20K. 2 days later everyones sellin them for 12K. Its crap. Things lose all value. If they just stopped giving out so much, cutting back on drops, then inflation would kick in and even stuff out again. If everyones got everything, then everything is worth peanuts. Only things i see for lots of money are absolutely perfect weapons and sup vigor runes. Everything else is cheap and i cant sell stuff for decent prices at all.

Economy crash in 3...2....1...

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29 Mar 2006 at 11:49 - 48
Greens are ment to drop the cost of items. Such as Victos axe. The same axe would be 500k if it were gold.

Matsumi

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29 Mar 2006 at 13:38 - 49
I think by lowering the cost of alot of things, new players will find it more pointless to purchase gold for real money to buy these green or godly items, therefore taking the need away for farming bots/people. If they're more accessible to people it takes away the illusion of godliness of the player, thus making him/her focus more on their skills and playing well with a team perhaps, other than "I'm wielding a xxx and a xxx" when a modded collectors item might have the same effects. If somebody wants 500k for an item that I could get just as well, by playing the game and not buying his outrageously priced item, then I would rather play the game and find something just as good or better. But, on the other hand, if I was just starting out in the game and believed I had to have this item to make my character the best, and had no chances what so ever at getting it myself, it might make somebody take the easy route and buy some GW gold or something just to get an item they might eventually get anyway through playing.

I think if people wanna farm something, fine, let them farm the crap out of it, it doesn't bother me at all. I'm not really for or against green items, I really like the skins on some of the more unique ones, if I get really bored, maybe I'll go try to get one of those things. Most of the things I'm mentioning are just speculation really though, I don't really know for sure why it is the way it is, but I'm kind of relieved in a way. I think that is how things will balance themselves out eventually, and get rid of the farming issues and some other issues as well. I think there's alot of things surrounding this and other things, that could be good if there was a crash of some kind. Just some thoughts surrounding this, that's all. As for purchasing gold, anyone notice how they seem to be getting desperate with their advertising? lol

boxterduke

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29 Mar 2006 at 13:47 - 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Medion
I my opinion, it was a really bad idea of putting greens in SF and footprint only.

I always thought that Anet didn`t like ppl farming, but this is one BIG encouragment for ppl to farm green items. It is so easy to find them, and they make big money.

I don`t think the greens was a bad idea, but it should have been spread over whole southern shiverspeak and the fire island chain. Not only one spot where u can just get a group together and get rich in an hour.
Green item farming is dead, I laugh at people who still spend time making runs.
Even the items at Old Tombs are not worth it anymore.
That new monk item from the Queen is so cheap now.
People were selling for 50k when it was out and now its 7k

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29 Mar 2006 at 13:54 - 51
5 month old thread... lives!

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29 Mar 2006 at 14:42 - 52
Very few of the greens actually net that huge a price now. All ANet did by introducing them was create a sort of upper middle class of items and I think they did it as a balancing thing to help the players who can't farm for hours get comparable equipment. Think about it. Greens drop from specific monsters with perfect mods and max damage. The same item in gold would bring in twice as much. People with the cash still prefer high end gold items because the potential for just the right combination of mods is still there. Gold items are Bentleys and Green items are Cadillacs. Both are good but one has more features and costs you an arm and a leg.

Still I don't think it was a bad idea at all. It gives everyone the chance to own a really nice weapon without a whole whole whole lot of effort. Given the current drop in the price of greens, with the exception of things like Bulwark, I don't see this being exploited as a get rich quick scheme, not unless you consider 7k and 15k trickles as a sure fire cash cow. Sure when the greens still had that new item smell to them people farmed the hell out of them and made a mint but now that's just not the case.


EDIT: Also for those of you complaining about the price drops and blaming it on farming well that's the way things work. As the methods to get things become more well known and easier to execute then the cost will drop. Remember how much CD's cost when they first came out? Yeah now how much? Just mull that over for a bit. Fluxuations in price are going to happen and mostly it will be a drop rather than a sharp rise. Your best bet if you want to make quick cash is to be able to identify the trends and jump on board while there is money to be made.

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29 Mar 2006 at 14:45 - 53
The greens were introduced for two reasons:
1) Because everyone was complaining to heaven high about how bad the inflation was. It got so bad that they couldn't even afford to buy a gold perfect Storm Bow, but had to just barely survive with a gold perfect longbow!
2) As many players love grind, they gave them something to grind for.

The result of the greens in the new UW and GF/SF, has been that prices of all kinds of weapons except a very few extra rare ones have crashed, that *anyone* can afford perfect weapons, and that a ton of farmers are now safely tucked away in two out-of-the-way areas and don't bother the people trying to play through the story.

So, of course now the FARMERS complain that prices have gotten too low, so they're not getting enough cash any more (enough for what? They've already got FoW armor).

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29 Mar 2006 at 14:53 - 54
I'ts kind of funny to read over these old threads and watch people argue...like. fellow 'a' here, who makes a valid point..

Quote:
Originally Posted by avoll
The big problem, if there is a problem at all.
Is people will pay tons of gold for green stuff.
but in a few months you prob wont even be able to give the stuff away
cuz the market will be so flooded with them
nostrodameus lives..

and fellow 'b' here...

Quote:
Originally Posted by One and Two
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with both parts of this.

People do NOT pay a ton of gold for greens.

And the market won't become oversaturated that you can't even give them away.
Bought any unwanted greens lately?

You can scarcely get the MERCHANT to take them.. not literally, but you get the idea.

Quote:
Gold items are Bentleys and Green items are Cadillacs.

Try Bentley vs AMC Pacer, and you will hit the nail on the head.

Fate

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29 Mar 2006 at 14:53 - 55
Greens encourage more people to farm for less time.

The reasoning, with greens always being max, and the drop rate not being incredibly rare, any player who dedicates an hour or two can get them sevel a couple greens.

If it wasn't for greens then you'd have people farming for hours on end looking for that perfect mod, and so perfect mods would all be worth an insane amount of money because of how rare they are.

Greens definately result in a lot of focused farming in particular areas, but in general it means less time spent farming and more reasonable prices.

Fate

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29 Mar 2006 at 14:55 - 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by boxterduke
Green item farming is dead, I laugh at people who still spend time making runs.
Even the items at Old Tombs are not worth it anymore.
That new monk item from the Queen is so cheap now.
People were selling for 50k when it was out and now its 7k
The shields still sell for plenty of cash, so does Victos Axe. Aside from that, I'd agree many greens aren't worth the time but Old Tombs is just as hard as any other area if you approach it correctly, there is a chance for ecto drops, and you still get a decent amount of gold or other drops.

stickyballs

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29 Mar 2006 at 15:13 - 57
Green Market has pretty much crashed in anycase. Now all Greens drop a ton like a week after they come out. They did make my golds worth less though. But it balances for the players who are casual and can't play 50 hours a week, which is the point of GW.

JiggyFly

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29 Mar 2006 at 15:48 - 58
The Way I see SF was simply new content and new quest (that are quite fun, the first time). The Green items were more of a way to help out the general playing community. Because before SF unid gold weapons would sell for extraordinary amounts. So everything was slightly high in price compared to how much gld the average player had.

In my opinion SF is only really considered farming if you want it to be, and doing it constantly would make you slightly richer than the average player. While Griffon farming would make you quite a considerable amount richer than the average player.

Cyan The Archer

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29 Mar 2006 at 16:05 - 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyballs
Green Market has pretty much crashed in anycase. Now all Greens drop a ton like a week after they come out. They did make my golds worth less though. But it balances for the players who are casual and can't play 50 hours a week, which is the point of GW.
You couldn't be more right. Greens are good to have for the new players that can't afford the expensive items, and to those that think the collector stuff looks like crap

Ganks

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29 Mar 2006 at 16:11 - 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by Makkert
as long as it doesn't wreck the game economy.


The chance of getting a green that is worth something over 7k isn't that big.
Yeah... Its like gambling against house rules. Im all for green farming. I didnt like the elitism in UW/FoW and tend to stay away from it. Just my personal preferance.

Though SF Farming is much better than the B/P farming of Old Tombs. The new greens are pretty much worthless considering that the prices arent determined by the stats of the item and they drop... and drop... and drop... Pretty soon victos battle axe will be sold for 20k and a very good monk item Wenslauss' Faith, which in my opinion should be sold higher than Brohn's which is generally at a standard flat price most of the time, will drop from 5k to 2.5 and eventually 1k up untill the point where the frog will finally come to america to give out worthless greens.

SF green economy is great though.

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29 Mar 2006 at 17:36 - 61
Is SF even still occupied? I have not been there for a long while... Maybe it is worth a look again, but I doubt it. After clearing out the underworld and fissure of woe, Sorrow furnace is so easy by comparison it feels like I'm locked on easy mode anymore... It lost its luster of enjoyment after completing my quests. I have long since moved on to bigger and better things... The elite missions have only one downside that I can find. It makes the rest of the game a little too easy after being in such hard areas like the Tower of strength and power or the spawning pools in the underworld... I normally have to not play for a few weeks and n00b myself up in some way to have fun again in regular missions... Unless I'm just with some friends or something. then its just fun to play with them... I can see me spending a lot of time in cantha just for the new challenge... and only going back to Tyria for occassional underworld, fissure quests... However from some things I have seen Factions will have "SOME" special quests for people that have both games that will involved going back and forth between cantha and tyria to complete. IDK. I guess time will tell. I kinda like the idea of a few special quests for people that have both games and want to span both lands to complete them...

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29 Mar 2006 at 18:54 - 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantus
Quoted for truth!

I think the devs can do whatever they want - there will always be the big loud army of whiners waiting to whack them with their crybaby sticks.
yeah, just like there will always be a big loud army of people just waiting to defend them regardless of what they do.

eudas

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IHBT. IHL. IWHAND.

eudas

MelechRic

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29 Mar 2006 at 19:30 - 63
Quote:
Originally Posted by eudas
yeah, just like there will always be a big loud army of people just waiting to defend them regardless of what they do.

eudas

p.s.
IHBT. IHL. IWHAND.

eudas
Well at least we know what side you're on.

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29 Mar 2006 at 20:44 - 64
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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram
Is SF even still occupied?
I got a "That district is full" message trying to zone into War Camp American D1 the other day.

Big_Iron

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29 Mar 2006 at 20:53 - 65
Quote:
Originally Posted by jciardha
I got a "That district is full" message trying to zone into War Camp American D1 the other day.
Me too. It's still pretty busy there. I did an Oro run the other day with my SS and made a sweet 85k.

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29 Mar 2006 at 21:01 - 66
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Originally Posted by MelechRic
Well at least we know what side you're on.
Could you let me know, please? 'Cause *I* don't even know what side I'm on... :P

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art_

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29 Mar 2006 at 21:43 - 67
I like the idea of greens. Makes it possible for non-farmers to get perfect weapons. Let the rich deal in gold weapons.

kaldak

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30 Mar 2006 at 01:00 - 68
In response to the initial premise, I disagree. Overusing superlatives is the worst thing ever.

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30 Mar 2006 at 01:20 - 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by kaldak
In response to the initial premise, I disagree. Overusing superlatives is the worst thing ever.
Although it's not being overused in your sentence, I still find it funny that "worst thing ever" is superlative

And you've got to love threadomancy, but I still think there are people that missed the point of green items entirely. I don't think i've ever sold a green item for profit, nor have I bought any (save one domination staff) from another player.

An important economic note: if there wasn't a market for green items, nobody would farm them. Until you can stop people from buying things, there will always be an enterprising person(s) out there willing to farm for desired items.

Sagius Truthbarron

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30 Mar 2006 at 01:43 - 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by Medion
About the farming, ok maybe they are not agains farming greens.
(I do think its screwing the economy, but I guess Anet knows better then I do.)

But about getting no items above 7K in an hour, I believe there have been several posts/threads, about that (I believe)75% of the ppl doesnt have more then 20K. 5 hours and you are way above that 20K. But I guess rich to u means like 10000K.
Ever go to Fissure of Woe, Tomb of the Primeval Kings, or Underworld? They are alot better for making money than Sorrow's Furnace. Much faster.

85% of all green items are worth less than 8k. The chances of getting more than 1 green item (any green item) per run is about 20%.

Just kind of obvious that you've never been in an SF farming group before.

spiritofdead

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30 Mar 2006 at 09:41 - 71
People are becoming obsessed of farming because of this green items. Make the public channel at Warcamp more annoying. It is bad enough people post their item for sale on public channel.

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30 Mar 2006 at 11:59 - 72
I really think the auction system whatever it ends up being will fix a few problems in the trade system... Most of what I have in inventory that my guildies already have or don't want will be making an appearance on the Auction house system ASAP. I want to give it a real test. I'm offering ectos, I'm offering dyes, I'm offering greens, Strings, Hafts, Runes, Anything I have in stored inventory. I want to see how well this system is going to work. Time will tell. I am hoping it will basically be I set a price and 1st come 1st serve to get the item for that price. If price is too high I can change it to lower the price. that kind of thing. Basically I want it to be something I can give to a vendor walk away and play for a bit and come back to see if it sold yet. if not lower the price or remove it from the market. The key factor for me will be The place it and forget it factor. I want to play the game, not sit around spamming WTS waiting for the right idiot to come along to buy it, then have them more then likely scam me for my efforts... No . Its not worth wasting the time to do it the way it is currently.

Medion

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30 Mar 2006 at 14:51 - 73
Wow, would never have thought this topic would come back.

To those quoting me on the 'get rich in an hour' thing, you have to realise it was what, 5 months back? The economy was a lot more different back then, but more importantly, I was dumber .

I don't agree with my post in the OP anymore, but editing it would look rather silly I guess .

My opinion nowadays is that it was actually a good move of Anet, they made it easier for the casual player.

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30 Mar 2006 at 14:57 - 74
Thread necromancy is a sin...

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30 Mar 2006 at 15:32 - 75
I will assist anyone do the missions there... just send me a whisper in-game.

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30 Mar 2006 at 16:47 - 76
I am usually against farming but in this case, since there is no green item trader, the only impact the farming will have on the economy is the gold brought in while fighting to get the green item and not the item itself. However since its teams of like 5 going out to farm then whatever gold that does drop is divided by the 5 people so there really won't be any impact on the economy. I've also seen no change in the price of rare (gold) weapons and offhands as a result of greens coming in, still being sold for 50 to 100k for perfect (sometimes more). I really don't get the big deal about them anyway. Yeah sure they are max dmg, low req with great bonuses but no mods. The last I checked you can't put mods on green weapons. This makes rare weapons more customizable and is probably why the prices are still high for them as seen in Lion's arch. Sure the prices have dropped for some but from what I've seen those are the rare weapons and offhands that everyone seems to have and are trying to sell while noone is buying. I will always use gold over green. If I want to change from a perfect vampiric bow to a poisonous bow, rather than find another green weapon, I'll just get the different bow string.

Alleji

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30 Mar 2006 at 17:11 - 77
Rich? Please. There's about 5 greens left that are actually worth anything. I think greens were a bad idea for a whole different reason - they killed the value of some of the gold items. Greens should've all had basic skins, like crafter and collector's items, so people who actually paid for their 15^50 fellblade would be recognized and not look identical to every noob with a victo's sword.

Greens are a good thing, because they level the playing field and let virtually everyone get their hands on perfect items, but green shadow shields, shadow staffs and fellblades were a bad move IMO.

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30 Mar 2006 at 17:51 - 78
cookie cuter builds anyone lol, that is all I have to say to this thread!

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31 Mar 2006 at 06:47 - 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by kaldak
In response to the initial premise, I disagree. Overusing superlatives is the worst thing ever.
As I've said a billion times -- don't exaggerate!!!