A tip for lonely mesmers on the fire islands.

No place like the ring of fire island missions are mesmers discriminated against harder. Granted, there are some intelligent individuals out there who realize what a well played domination mesmer can do to a number of mursaat... but for the most part it's very very difficult to get a group there as a mesmer and nearly impossible to get a group in hells precipice.

Take the time to do the "path of the monk" quest, temporarily make your secondary prof healing. A Mesmer/Monk majoring in Healing/inspiration can actually be a fairly effective back up healer as its nearly impossible to run out of energy if youre not the only one healing the party. That, and I found that the inturrupts and spirit of failure can both help take some of the strain off the healers in the group anyway.

I bitch about the anti mesmer vibe in pve, and I'd rather not have to change my second profession to get a group... but hey, I've finished the game with my mesmer now

Umm... and how are you going to go back and buy the skills you need to be any good at healing/prot? By that point most people have burned through their skill points buying skills for the classes they already are, plus cap sigs for elites. Changing classes just to make getting a group a little easier sounds very wasteful.

Plus... none of the discriminatory noobs in the RoF will take a monk secondary as a healer/prot. They all think that if you aren't a monk primary you don't count.

you dont need to buy that many skills. I took Healing seed, orison, breeze and resurrect. The rest of the skills I took were Inturrupts and spirit of failure, which makes mobs miss more often. Having a full blown monk in the group that was all the healing i needed to take, I spent 4 skill points to get the skills and bam, i was suddently acceptable to a group, If the noobs wont take a backup healer along, well thats fine. Who wants to be in a noob group anyway.

we always travel with a mesmer, when we can. many have the same mentality. we once had a great mesmer in our guild who, Dio, who did his fair share and more on the fire isles and in the underworld and fissure. If we never intially had mesmers in our guild though we may have fallen prey to this mentality. I would still suggest running with your guild is the easiest way to run through pve ... not claiming to be a healer/prot ... why? cause divine > fast cast. Stick to your guns, dom, interrupts, 'boss killer', and just a nice guy.

If you sell yourself as a second rate healer, your gonna recruit a second rate group. Sell yourself for what you are, and a good group will pick you up.

P.S. Try not to get frusterated cause no one wants to party with a whiner!

The fire islands & thirsty river were the only places i even used any mesmer skills in PvE. Well.. except in like the northern shiverpeaks and before then.

this thread is so wrong!

extreme myth of the 2 monks.

be secondary monk to get a group? muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Lol and what are you ollj.... I dare ya, make a mesmer, make a domination mesmer and see how long it takes you to get a group in Hells Prec. I'm simply filling a need that that group seemed to think it has, I would have rather brought my usual set up, but then again I'd probalby still be there yelling LFG instead of moving on to my next character or the titan quests or whatever.

Simple fact of the matter, Heals sell. Yea no shit favor is greater than fastcast. I started as a monk, and hes now a monk/mesmer,ranger,warrior,necro, with all the skills... so i know a mesmer will never be the healer a monk is, but i was able to contribute to the group in the way they felt they needed to get the mission done. And we did, with no hitches.

So mock if you like, but I'm tellin ya if youre a mesmer on hells precipice you can sit there and wait for a group who understands what a mesmer brings, or you can be a bit more flexible and thus more desireable. Simple facts of GW.

I had the same problem, but did it with henchies easy.

Diversion + Arcane Thievery + Wastrels Worry makes Mursaat stupidly easy...not to mention the other 4-5 skills you can bring.

If its any consolation, a group that doesn't see the worth of a good mesmer is probably not worth joining anyway

Amen, never had trouble finding a group as a mesmer, never had a group make one negative comment about my mesmer skills either.

Um, what mursaat? I too did missions with Mursaat as a domination mesmer, but there are no mursaat in Hells precipice, which is where I made myself more flexible and was quite pleased with the result.

As as matter of fact, I did every fire island mission with my domination mesmer. Yeah, that's right, DOMINATION mesmer. I use arcane echo, echo, chaos storm and 3 other interrupts(power spike, power leak, cry of frustration). My role in all those missions were interrupting chain lightnings from murssats and be a nuker if asked too. Triple chaos storm if used right can do over 300 damage. I don't really see how difficult it is to find a group. There is always a team in the fire island that understand what mesmer can do.


For your information, Mesmer is a GREAT farmer too. I just farmed every single eilte and non-elite skills for my secondary profession, and on my way to 1 million exp.

heres a big tip for HELLS PRECIPICE for mezzers
go Me/R and bring winter
or
i found like 3 groups wanting to invite me
Me/W with illusionary weaponary or go with swordand ineptitude

I wouldn't recommend Me/W with Illusionary weapon, as enchantment stripping is somewhat common in RoF.

Anyway, mesmers are great in ring of fire, I find triple chaos storm great (which is possible with gylph of renewal btw) mainly because of it's armour ignoring damage. Not sure sure what an illusion mesmer can do, I suppose really long damage over time is useful, but no need for imagined burden and that stuff.

I never found Chaos Storming Mesmers particularily useful in my parties, even when I used it myself, area of effect is so tiny and damage isn't that great anyway. Hell, better just use CoF to negate that annoying signet on fists/hands and, of course, interrupt sparks before they use rodgort. I mean, main function of Mesmers isn't being pseudo-nuker, no?

dude.. the best mesmers on fire island are good dom mesmers (im one of the few) but even then im pretty much discriminated so i went from mes/necro to mes/ele and everyone loves me...

as long as their is a ranger with winter i have no trouble finding a group as a fast casting nuker.. why?? everyone for some reason is having a nuking shortage their at moment.. its hard to find an ele down there..

try just being a mes/ele air attacker with double lighting and orb to finish off the enmys

Im tired of the threads, but...
If you are stuck on the Ring of Fire Island Chains........
Bring Henchies.
Every class combo can beat this mission with pure henchies, no wait, no loneliness and no class change. It requires skill, which if you dont have, you might better off to not waste time pug'ing
End of story

My thoughts exactly.

I formed my own group with leftovers in Hell's. We had my Mes/Nec, 2 Necros, 3 Rangers, 1 Monk and Mhenlo, who is a nublet healer btw. We did just fine without tanks or nukers.

every group that my mesmer entered in RoF loved me...my first character was a ranger, so I led the group and pulled the mobs with precision...also, empathy + backfire is a constant...and next would be power block and power spike...how about a little arcane echo + chaos storm...or even double up the arcane thievery...and to extend my 73 energy even more, i use glyph of lesser energy

i rarely stop to regen, even with all the 15e skills...double chaos costs only 35e instead of 45e...double power block will totally own a boss, although next time i'll bring diversion for that mursaat monk in abaddon's...his orison is hard to block...i'm talking a 20 minute stalemate between Willa and Cain and my 8 man henchie group

anyway, unless you're not a good mesmer, you shouldn't have a problem in RoF...and if you're not a good mesmer, try to actually do the missions/quests instead of being ran everywhere

When I was raising my mesmer I never had trouble getting a group while I was specced dom. Had some trouble grouping as an illusion mesmer, and rightfully so in pve.

If you're having trouble grouping, you seriously shouldn't be speccing healing. Most good players would drop a mesmer who claimed to be a healer, fast casting in no way benefits heal spells. That's not to say you shouldn't use dom and take some monk heals or better yet prot spells as support, but a pure healing/inspiration is a waste of a slot.

By far the easiest way to get a group as a mesmer is to go fast cast fire nuker. It's obviously not as good as an ele, but that's really only due to runes, and you won't suffer for lack of energy storage. People are more accepting of it than dom mesmers too, probably because "fast cast nuker" is easy for the simple minded to understand.

Oh yeah, you could just wait until people find that Mursat Monk boss - Whatshername the Matron - takes forever to kill without mesmer(or Ranger, preferably with CG)

Yes she does, without someone to interrupt her chain you can nuke and pound on her all day long. Mesmer/interrupt ranger is crucial for second to last mission

Man, talk about missing the point.

Clearly, I would have preferred to go as a domination mesmer, as I also had done the missions prior with henchies. I probably couldve done the last mission with henchies as well, but it takes long enough as is in a regular group, and Henchies arent as fast.

The point of this thread is not a discussion on what mesmer build "is best" for hells precipice. The point is to illustrate that you can get into a group as a mesmer (dont bother replying to tell me how you get all kind of groups as a mesmer because if you do its the same group over and over.) alot easier if you are willing/able to be flexible and fill a need that the group belives it has.

Half of you make my point for me, instead of reaching out and trying different things and filling the needs of a group, you want to tell me what you think is best. LOL. It's classic because If you didn't notice I said we got thru the mission without a singular hitch, so please dont tell me how its only scrub groups who can think a little outside the box.

And further more, for anyone whos gonna tell me how I couldnt have been an effective healer, well your kind of right. I wouldnt have sold myself as a primary healer for the whole party. I took strain off the healer in the party, which sped the party along because we never had to wait for the healers to regen energy even though we didnt have a batter necro (gasp).

several people have (apparently not seeing others do it) told me how rotten fast casting is for healing.... Yes i agree, i didnt have a point in fast casting. My focus was healing and inspiration. So no, i'm not casting any faster, but I'm also NEVER out of energy and able to intturupt 3 ways....

Its about thinking outside of the same old box.

Be a Mes/Nec and you'll get in a group no worries !

Just advertise you're a battery willing to recharge those monks out there with BiP and away you go !

I normally just start my own group.