Why so vulgar?

Why are people so vulgar in Guild Wars? Such as today in tombs:
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What is up with this? why wont people just be nice?

Can someone help me?

look at player 8 in your own team - "Omfg Lets Iway"

quit whining, seriously. who knows if you simply pulled his statement out of context? more importantly, who cares?

I don't care much for that particular incident as it indeed might also be quoted out of context, but in general, rudeness in GW IS a big problem, especially in PvP. If I had a dollar for every time I or my teammates have been called names in PvP, I probably could quit my job immediately. My personal guess is that around 20%-30% of the GW population qualifies as utterly rude people. The only thing we can really do is to report ANYONE who uses abusive languange immediately. However it's a fight we can't win. There are too many of them, I guess...

Its funny that everyone complains about offensive language and name calling when Ive seen character names that Id punish my son for saying. It is a problem, but its just sort of accepted. Everyone does it.. blah blah.

idk... trying to use a lame strat.. losing.. and turning around going "OMFG, so rude!"

Who cares, you lost, suck it

Heh, this thread is rude.

So your saying that telling someone to f*** off is acceptable because he used iway??


and personally i dont see using the name "OMFG lets iway", as bad as telling someone to f*** off.

Go get a dictionary and look up "manners".

Agree with everything you said... some of the stuff people come out with in the tombs is shocking. Its odd when people insult Korean and Euro teams by calling them all sorts of things... I mean what's the point?

Do it make you e-pee bigger? Does it make you feel better about yourself? I would report them, but since GW has a annoying support system I can't be asked 98% of the time unless it directed at me.

This game needs a system which by using /report "Username" the game would automatically transmit the last 20 lines of your chat window for study by A.net support...

They use this system in Planetside and it works wonders.

Taking a screen shot, coverting it to a jpeg (Most people get lost at this stage) and e-mailing it to support is simply not worth the effort.

I know.

Ive been called all sorts of names. But i simply cant be asred to spend my personal time reporting them.

i was going to start a thread about this ... but then found this one ..

i have been thinking , what are the reasons of the rude gw comunity ...
and besides the obvius , that is a free online play ...

my english vocabulary is not very deep , so ill try my best to explain this ... you can flame my gramar , i deserve it ...

the name of the game gives a clear image of what goes inside guild WARS

its a game based on war ... and for war we need adrenaline ... you know when the army shouts " atack !!!! " pulling the adrenaline out .. or when you need the be really awake and you slap your selfe ... well ,. i think people inside guild wars are rude .. to call out the adrenaline to play better ... even in pve ... i have notice that when we do everything silently , people leave or die more ofen ... if a team can survive to rudeness ... after that the team acts more like a team ... the fear of failing as come up ... the human interaction is a need for people to have a reason to play well ... and some people can only comunicate saying stupid things ... so .. when im in a batle a a warrior starts talking/flaming/teaching others , i just turn chat window off .. and keep playing until someone leaves and all go after him ...

i think the idea is +/- explained ... if you think its stupid and as nothing to do with anything ... think about what would foruns be without flames/trolls ..

its the world we live ...

better thing to do in guildwars is , find or make a guild that will have people that will only say nice things to you ...

that way you wont feel so bad when you catch a rude/troll player ...

a) not EVERYONE does it - only an immature minority does.
b) it's certainly not accepted. Maybe it's accepted by the offenders themselves, but certainly not by the 70% of players who are NOT rude
c) there is no difference between using rude language and offensive character names - both sort of people shoud get immediately banned

Yes, reporting all those people is hard work, but let's put it this way: If you report one person and this person gets banned, you just helped to make GW a better place. It's like charity, in a way.

A high adrenaline level doesn't really excuse rude language. It's not acceptably to call people names in real life - why should it be acceptable in a computer game. The character you just called a "damn n00b" is a real person of flesh and blood, too. The fact that you can't see him/her, doesn't change the fact that you just hurt a human being.

As for the guild part: Yes, indeed. You can safely assume that I would kick a rude person from the guild in less then 10 seconds. If I'd ever see one of our members calling other people "n00bs" and stuff, the next thing they'd notice is the missing cape on their backs. We have a code of coduct in our guild which prohibits all of our members from EVER being rude to anyone, guild members or not.

none of my business but http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/show...d=1#post358264

Don't like profanity? Turn back on your profanity filter. I'm not going to change who I am just because someone pissed me off and I tell them to go f themselves, and the "omg I'm offended by everything" crowd is offended.

Swearing is one thing. What I can't stand are the racist, hateful comments that are directed towards European and Korean players by the American community for no good reason.

BTW, did you know that "WTF" is on the City of Heroes profanity filter list?

Alright, let's look at varieties of rude for a moment.

1) Offensive character names - The filter for character name submission needs some work here. Being as there is no way to blot out a character name, the solution here is to report; Anet is fairly good on follow-thru here.

2) Racist or obscene commentary that involves no cursing - Tends to be the product of "aged" teenage angst. Involves some thought to produce; hence, should know better. No way to filter in volume with a 10-limit ignore list; solution is report.

3) Foul language - If directed in a hostile manner, as the OP's screenshot portrays (see the final line of chat), is usually the product of young teens whos' thought-before-action % lies somewhere near the offender's age. If non-hostile, usually a side-effect of good-natured male posturing; and while offensive to some, is not intended to offend. In either case the solution here is to use the chat filter; this is what the chat filter is there for, and to report items which could be solved via the filter is a waste of Anet time and resources. Obviously, conscious effort to circumvent the filter (i.e. C U R S E), should fall more into catagory 2 and be handled accordingly.

4) Use of character e-motes to mimic sexual acts. If this is something observed as something others are engaged in, it's basically relegated to making out in public; the clothes are on so things aren't going to go much farther than as is deserving of a headshake. Now, if these behaviours are being performed on your character in an agressive and unwanted manner (meaning you move, they follow and repeat continually); then you have reportable malicious behaviour (providing Anet with visual proof is going to be rather more involved than a single screenshot).


That's the breakdown as I see it; feel free to expand if I've missed anything. Now, I have a problem with item #3; or, more specifically, people who work themselves into a self-righteous (yes, I'm well aware of my spelling inadequecies, see? I'm horrible) fury and storm off to the forums to rattle their sabers with offended zeal.

The filter function is there. You (the offended) are bright enough to march yourselves here to post; therefore you are intelligent enough to make use of said filter. Obviously you have made a conscious choice not to use it. Why? Are you addicted to self-pity and set off here to have a good cry and bask in the consolation provided? Or are you the more malicious sort trying to rally consensus that you might outst people who fail to conform to your view of right and proper? If you find yourself filling out the submission to report someone in catagory 3; seriously, get over yourself and use the damn filter.

if i get really really annoyed at something (never yet got THAT annoyed at a person) in game, like dying for no real reason or the mouse not clicking the skills properly, if i really really feel like swearing... i never really go beyond something like /vehement swearing.

i find it works just as well if you need to let your anger be heard. people on the other hand? how do i deal with them? easy, let them take the piss out of themselves. let them swear. it won't do them any good.

MB was rather vulgar with us the last time I was grouped against them
in HoH as well, so don't feel too bad.

Playful banter in jest for the match of opposing sides.

OMFG SOMEONE TOLD ME TO RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO OFF IMMA CRY NOW

Better learn to control yourself, mate. If you don't, in real life you might wind up getting hurt or even killed for your emotional outbursts. In this game, I for one will not have any more to do with you if I'm in your party and you start badmouthing someone in the party like that. This means no healing, no rez if I am playing monk, otherwise no support if I am playing any other character. I've had my fill of party members who for no real good reason start berating someone else just because their playing style is perhaps not up to par with theirs.

Where is the difference in seeing "go fsck yourselves" and "go ---- yourselves" in chat? If your IQ is in the normal range of human beings, your brain will be perfectly capable of filling in the missing word, won't it? Swear filters are really among the silliest things ever invented. All they do is making certain people think they now have carte blanche to swear away as they please.

If you are not able to control your anger and stick to reasonable manners you shouldn't play online games...

There is no difference between verbally abusing other people because of their race or by calling them a-holes or other names. Really none. I have no respect at all for both.

You're a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing dick face, Fantus.

I said that while smiling with no anger behind it. Can't handle some profane words of english? Ragequit life.

People with bad manners usually are:

1.) Too young to know otherwise
2.) Not young anymore but suffers from a harsh upbringing
3.) Mixed with the wrong crowd
4.) Or perhaps just have inborn bitterness
5.) Or maybe too stressed out with life to care anymore


p/s. Oh yea, I used to be no.1 but not anymore

You forgot 6.) Australian and do it because they can.

Uh, dunno about you, but my PC here has no image of you smiling. So I for one can't tell if your nice quote was made in jest or in anger. If made in jest, then fine, as long as the target person is aware of that and is, despite it being in jest, not offended by it. But that is just the point: writing something profane in a chat message to another player without making it perfectly clear that the comment is made in jest is wrong. Do it to me, and I will do my best to IWAY in my own way ;-)

the 'hate' directed towards Europeans by americans is done at their own risk. quite often i'm in a group of 8 and maybe as many as 4 are europeans. the presence of just a few europeans in american ToA while europe has favor does wonders for the swearing.

True, I thought he was serious too.

It's always in PvP/HoH/GvG that the rude kids come out for.

Things like "RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing n00bs, come back when you learn to play".

There's just no reason for it. Oh well. Just report'em.

Its not guildwars its human nature, every game has it.. I dont know any game I have played for the past 20 years where this wasnt a problem at some point.

in fact, its whole point is to provoke a response.. I'd say someone posting a complaint about it (like you have) would make it all the more hilarious for them.

just ignore it

Way to point fingers. I've been called a son of a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO by a brazillian player (in portugese) and likewise addressed as RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO and various other terms by French players, sworn at no doubt by english speaking Europeans, though I wouldn't know if they were Euro without them calling me by obscure slang, and as a "----ing americano" and so on. I don't read Korean, but I bet they've called me similar things.

And I'm not even american... so they weren't even right. EVERYONE is rude. Don't point at the americans, the other countries are just as bad. I too find the racism/nationalism repugnant, yet it flows both ways. Just report every single one of them. Don't tolerate it.

As long as the computer provided anonymity, people will be far ruder, more vulgar and generally make greater asses of themselves then they would in real life. The degree of this is inversely proportional to the level of maturity the individual contains.

I love you man! T_T <(*Sniff*)
Very well said

You guys shouldn't even bother reacting to people who swear at you.
I mean this is probably a guy sitting in front of his keyboard/computer eating cheetos typing obscenities. <--- Just think about that and it won't bother you anymore.

You're the only person who can make *yourself* become upset. No one else.

In this case I could take it out of context that it was a way of being sarcastic. I have no problem with that, if this answers your question. In real life I would be able to see your face and could tell if you meant it as a jest or if you did it to insult me. Unfortunately it's hard to tell when you don't see the person, only the typing. If you said above things to me in game it would have assured you a place on my ignore list and probably a suspension on your account because I would have reported you to A-net. Besides I am perfectly sure that most profanity I saw in GW wasn't meant as a cheerful jest. Most people aren't even able to use profanity in a way that it's funny.

Count he says 2 insults:

Or you guys just blow
Go cry to your mama

Just because one has an obscenity and the other no, doesn't mean both aren't insults.

Most people swear and use profanity for no reason.
Most of them don't mean it and just say it to be cool.

And most importantly:
Most of them will actually say it just to see who bites back. *That's* when they start having fun.

Be smart: Ignore and stop biting back.

I am a Moa Bird. For me playing with honour and treating oponents with respect are the very first priorities. I like Moa Birds because they are always ready with a friendly hello to the other team and, win or lose, a friendly parting comment. We play competitively (not ultra-competitively) and rarely allow the heat of battle cause us to say or do stupid things.

I dont really care what the others said. They are responsible for their words and actions. But I think the original posting was way out of line. Posting a short except of a conversation without showing the context is wrong.

Its unfortunate that Rin allowed himself to be provoked. But really, who amongst us has not been provoked by the behaviour of others in this game.

Please dont judge Moa Birds on the strength of the original post. I think if you meet us in game you will find us friendly, honourable and respectful.

Cheers,
wei

<Wei Han>

I'm not going to target one specific guild, as I'm not knowledgable about who's who in GW, but I will say that the actions of the members do reflect upon the guild they're in, it's inevitable. If one person purveys a bad image, then it will reflect poorly on the whole guild, especially if that person keeps saying things.

No, he is right. Look at the OPs picture. Zoom in on it, if you have to. The guy who said F*** off is the same individual in the second set of posted pictures. Seems to me that this individual has a serious ego trip goin on.

You are so dead on. I agree with #2 (had to report with a non stop duo spamming non-stop racial to rattle us with some really bad content and it was very directed).

I am strongly agree with #3, i have my spam filter on, if some one is cursing as part of the "normal" langage it doesn't bother unless it's "direct" at people.
I've had someone that cursed up a storm but his spelling is so bad the chat did not stop one word but since it was "everyday" language it doesn't bother me.

This is, of course, why screenshots aren't supposed to have names or guilds (particularly in complaints or scamming ones).

Eventually, most people that actually care simply turn off talk when it's not needed. Your friends can speak to you in PM's, your guild has a seperate guild chat, about the only time you need it on is when forming teams not made up from your guild+friends.

Between racist/hate speech, obsecenities, and actual vulgarity (such as the few rare instances of near-cybering in the arena waiting area), you're not really missing anything. Generally don't even have to get annoyed at people using you as a scape goat saying you're a n00b or loser, and it's your fault the team lost, because 99% of the time, they feel like they have to say it in talk so the other team can hear that it's not their fault they're eating dust.

Rudeness etc is common in GW, just remember it's someone immature with a low IQ who hides behind their keyboard and who wouldn't have the bottle to say it to your face in real life as they'd get a smack for it.

It spreads. It's a chain reaction. And it ends up sticking until someone shows/proves that being nice is better. All we can do right is just deal with it. I hope people become a bit more respectful in the future, but not going to happen any time soon. But of course, obviously there are those who do respect others. It's just that they aren't noticed as someone who spams profane words in the chat the whole time.

Meh, that's really just vilifying people as an attempt to invalidate their remarks.
As long as people are publicly able to insult each other in fairly severe ways without obscenities, some people will use them casually with no thought to how other people perceive them.

Some things that seem like common sense and obvious to some people (like rhyming words), others have problems with. It is not an indication of whether they're intelligent or stupid, but a demonstration of how people's brains are wired differently.
Particularly true for some autistic people. Language just isn't perceived in the same way.

That being said, calling someone a moron and a Red Engine-Tard both equate to saying they're stupid, both are hurtful, and particularly if people around you tend to toss such words around like water, how can everyone expect everyone else to feel the same about whether a word is inherently bad or not?

I've picked up these little tidbits mainly after 2 of my closest friends started playing MMORPG's, and went from typing in a largely conventional fashion (One made frequent typos, but otherwise didn't intend to. He just stinks at spelling.), to internet shorthand, and both use profanity significantly more.
They grew up in about the same environment as myself, and actually a more christian-oriented, and they didn't have an elder brother who started liberally using them the moment he turned 16 when he realized his father didn't really care (the only word from my father's religious perspective that is forbidden is damn, under the definition of condemning another person to hell).
What's different is that online they came to find the value of the words changed. English is a conventional language, and words evolve over time. The true definition of a word is what people make it to be.

I'm too traditional and set in my ways to change my perception of the words, but I am willing to put that aside and not instantly assume someone is a 2-dimensional evil/immoral/immature person. If they see things differently, then meh, it happens.

Now, intentional censor bypass is another story. If I have my censor on, I want my censor to actively work. If people feel the need to say such things for their own benefit, more power to them, but I don't feel the need to hear it. I'm respecting their need to say it, and if they can't respect my desire not to hear it, then comes the time where respect ends.
And there ARE times where I can't figure out what's behind the -'s, so it's at least minimally effective.