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Originally Posted by Snowman
You cant reverse it because its always been a CORPG, its never been an MMORPG... pvp has always been the number 1 element. rpg has always been secondary.
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Observed Favor Stats from 17th – 27th October
Valdis
crimsonfilms
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Originally Posted by Fantus
I don't think anybody wants that. But it would be nice to be able to EARN it yourself instead of having to rely on other people earning it for you.
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But YOU CAN earn it. You earn it through competative battle - just like you and 7 others beating Thunderhead. Given it is much harder and requires different set of skills. But you do earn it.
Yes your earn it in a NON RPG fashion (aka grind) but that was the point. To somehow bridge the RPG and PvP aspect of GW.
In fact, I would even argue that there should be MORE of this both ways.
Unlock a new armor look for PvP for beating Hell's Prec. A banner or one of the gods in your guild for winning HoH (cosmetic mostly likely). Or your guild gets those blessings you get from offering in PvE maps.
etc. etc.
Valdis
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Originally Posted by Fantus
Yeah, the "Helloween update" was certainly the biggest PvP event ever..
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LOL....
They didn't decorate the HoH for Halloween??
Fantus
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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms
But YOU CAN earn it. You earn it through competative battle - just like you and 7 others beating Thunderhead. Given it is much harder and requires different set of skills. But you do earn it.
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Also and the most important aspect is that when winning HoH you STAY there and don't rush off to UW/FoW. I could earn favor, yes - but I usually wouldn't earn it for myself, I earn it for other people.
crimsonfilms
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Hanuman li Tosh
ok, now i have to break out my boxes, my prepay, my collectors edition, and my standard edition.
that implies that if you dont have the skill to win the hall your fate is to not go to ToA and see lit up statues.
that pretty much directly states to me what the last quote hinted at.
again...
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YOUR SKILL WILL BE YOUR LEGEND You'll prove your worth with every battle, as skill, not hours played decides your fate. |
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BE THE BEST Ascend as a team to the higest levels of cometition, a truly global tournament to control the Hall of Heros. World fame and fortune await the victors |
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FREE ONLINE PLAY enjoy free online play with the security of gameplay hosted on ArenaNet servers. Explore a wrold that dynamically grows and changes with new content while you play. |
Fantus
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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms
And thus WaW. That is the poin of it - break the barrier between the 2. Guild WARS.
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And please refrain from quoting the game title as if this would imply that GW was all about PvP. It's ridiculous - really.
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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms
Absolutely correct. But it does not mean you can't earn it. Yes, any normal person should stay and defend the Hall until beaten. I was commenting more of you the possibility of earning UW/FoW for yourself. Which is possible. Not the normal route, nevertheless, clearly possible.
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Myrkwid
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Originally Posted by Snowman
The game is also called guild WARS.. |
It's amazing how many people don't seem to know what the "Guild Wars" have been...it's not just another "word" for GvG.
@Shanaeri
Thanks for the favor stats, I'm a fan of statistics and I really enjoy them! Keep up the good work! It's interesting that Europe got that much more favor all out of a sudden, I'm curious if EU manages to keep their favorshare that large after such a long depression or if it was just caused by halloween.
smurfhunter
strength in numbers meaning if there are 5000 american teams playing and 1 korean team playing, there is a much bigger chance the hall will have only americans in it as opposed to having a korean team holding.
sure, all you do is take 8 people from an american server, move them to the siberian server, and there you go. thats cheating btw. what i meant was if you had to choose 8 players _from that server_. in your example the server would be empty, you would never find 8 players for it, and you wouldnt win the halls for siberia.
got it now?
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got it now?
crimsonfilms
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| Unfortunately, annoying people is the only thing WaW really excels in.(snip) Just as WaW as a whole, which doesn't make any sense, too. |
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Fantus
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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms
Subjective isn't it?
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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms
Well some people seem to forget the relationship between those two words.
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A poster above said it all: Read the lore book (Hint: The "Guild Wars" were a part of Tyria's history). The game title is as much a hint at GW's PvP aspect as it is a roleplaying enhancement to GW's PvE aspect. If you insist on connecting it to PvP only, the only thing you really proved hereby is that you didn't read the lore book.
It's really funny when people think they could read the entire nature of a game into its title:
- There is no siege in "Dungeon Siege"
- People don't cry in "Far Cry"
- There is no eternal night in "Neverwinter Nights"
- There is no earthquake in "Quake I-III"
- You don't play a smith in "Hearts of Iron"
- "Spellforce" can be played with a warrior character, too
- You can also build villages with "Sim City"
Reducing Guild Wars to a PvP focused game by the brute force of its title really is a narrow minded view, won't you agree?
Mormegil
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Originally Posted by Arathorn5000
Are you kidding me?! Why do you even bother with these stats, if you are just going to spin whatever results you get into your own opinion about how you don't like WaW?
past two months: "See look at my pretty statistics, WaW isn't fair because only players on the american server get to access 2 bonus PvE areas" -But Shanaeri, nothing is keeping Europeans or Koreans from competiting in, and winning, the HoH as much as they want. We told you this the last time you posted the same thing too. "No, american server has more people and automagically that means they're going to hold HoH more. I don't want to PvP, but I want to reap the benefits for top-level PvP. Worlds at War is a failed concept." -It doesn't have anything to do with how many players are on the server, it matters which server can put an 8-player group into the hall and win. We agree that it's strange to give a small PvE reward to top-level PvP, but that's a-net's deal. It is not a failed concept by any means. now: "As you can see by my pretty graph, favor times have almost perfectly evened out. By this we can see that WaW is a failed concept, because most of the players play on the American servers, and now they can't enter two bonus PvE areas." -....you can't be serious. Shall we ignore that this absolutely conflicts with your past few months of opinionated reasoning? You're just grasping at straws now, it's amusing that you can post what you did with a straight-face. Arenanet has been completely vindicated by these results, as it proves that everyone has an equal ability to hold favor. If you don't like that PvE areas are the rewards for PvP play, post in the sardelac sanitarium area as a game suggestion. In fact, find where someone else has undoubtedly already posted the same thing and agree with them there. But do yourself a favor and stop gathering this data if you're simply going to spin it the same way no matter what the data says. |
[/Yoda mode on]And, oh, much disappointment in your first post, Shanaeri, I smell, even though unnoticed you think it went. Your stats brilliant are, but still, much you have to learn in judgment, padawan. Even before your calculations posted were, America's misfortune by the quantity of swearing and cursing in ToA you could've guessed.
May the force be with the yanks.[/Yoda mode off]
They're gonna need it.
aron searle
This subject is never going to die untill PVE's can get access to PVE content without relying on others to gain favor.
Im all for a WaW system of some kind, but having a PVE reward seems to get up too many peoples backs for no good reason.
Oh and for those who say , i should just win HOH anwsere me this.
Do you really think i have time to go and win favor and then have time to spend clearing fow/uw.
only schoolkids have that much time (mainly, this is no insult so dont worry).
(and dont say it dosnt take long, you also have to account for any time spent looking for team members, discussing tactics, and all the little breaks people like to take and.......)
Im all for a WaW system of some kind, but having a PVE reward seems to get up too many peoples backs for no good reason.
Oh and for those who say , i should just win HOH anwsere me this.
Do you really think i have time to go and win favor and then have time to spend clearing fow/uw.
only schoolkids have that much time (mainly, this is no insult so dont worry).
(and dont say it dosnt take long, you also have to account for any time spent looking for team members, discussing tactics, and all the little breaks people like to take and.......)
crimsonfilms
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Originally Posted by Fantus
Yes, but I am really not the only person who thinks that...
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(and yes, we are dangerously turning in to a semantics war here).
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I specifically said that WaW is an attempt merge the TWO aspects of Guild Wars.
Your examples are moot because unlike Guild Wars, the name meant to be literal - not metaphoric or ironic and other literary tools you want to add. It meant to be literal - just like War and Peace or Weekend at Bernie's.
Not to mention the further text on the box itself (as someone has quoted already).
BTW - there is 'siege' in Dungeon Siege - as in you siege dungeons. Sieging as a verb and not a noun.
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unienaule
Guild Wars is full of other crap that doesn't do what it says it does. All the broken skills... absorption, mesmer casting bonus... the list could go on and on and on.
Oh, and his point about the armor? He can't do BOTH HoH and FoW crafter. That would take many hours with nearly any group.
Oh, and his point about the armor? He can't do BOTH HoH and FoW crafter. That would take many hours with nearly any group.
aron searle
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| I don't have time to get FoW armor does not mean it should be sold in D Forge. |
So not really a good comparison, eh?
However UW / FOW are areas for high level PVE action, time is not the issue favor is (time only becomes an issue when you have to win favor before you can get into fow).
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crimsonfilms
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"time is not the issue skill is"
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Let me rephrase you if you allow me - "time is not the issue skill is" |
Are you suggesting that if your skilled enough you can somehow turn back time so you can win HOH and then warp back and play FOW.
fiery
i also noticed where i am in America (maryland) has only favor around 7 to midnight or later..last night we had Startlight Extinction winning and holding favor for a bit..as for not gaining favor always..
1)ppl could have left the game
2)not many good players just wanting to get fame and rank and go join iway
3)those good guilds could be remaking
the halloween decortations..rumors is they would stay permanent from forge wut i heard..i mean i wouldnt mind..kill off the collectors thou..than i wouldnt mind if it all goes back to normal..scenary is scenary..
winning favor
1)europe or america
2)korea squezzes in whenever europe and america had there battle of bloody knuckles and r done for the day
1)ppl could have left the game
2)not many good players just wanting to get fame and rank and go join iway
3)those good guilds could be remaking
the halloween decortations..rumors is they would stay permanent from forge wut i heard..i mean i wouldnt mind..kill off the collectors thou..than i wouldnt mind if it all goes back to normal..scenary is scenary..
winning favor
1)europe or america
2)korea squezzes in whenever europe and america had there battle of bloody knuckles and r done for the day
Hanuman li Tosh
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crimsonfilms
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| using your logic, china would win every gold medal in the olympics becasue they have by far the largest pool to choose from. |
Anyways, in Olympics depending on the sport - China and Madagascar can have the same number of participants per contest.
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Mahanaxar
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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh
using your logic, china would win every gold medal in the olympics becasue they have by far the largest pool to choose from.
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4. China 15 8 9 32
Seoul 1988
11. China 5 11 12 28
Barcelona 1992
4. China 16 22 16 54
Atlanta 1996
4. China 16 22 12 50
Sydney 2000
3. China 28 16 15 59
Athen 2004
2. China 32 17 14 63
The numbers are gold medals, silver medals, bronze medals and total.
China seems to win more medals every time
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by unienaule
Oh, and his point about the armor? He can't do BOTH HoH and FoW crafter. That would take many hours with nearly any group.
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aron searle
Another argument people like to tote, is that not having favor and wanting to do abit of FOW encourages you to go to the HOH, or to try PVP in general
Well i dont know about anyone else but ive never gone "oh we dont have favor, well blow me all of a sudden i have the urge to PVP instead of my normal PVE".
I liked the pvp match as you left pre-seer. I would like ot see more of it, because win or lose you still go on with your PVE game, but you get to enjoy PVP (and because there is no penalty (for example keep trying till you win, people dont come away bitter if they lose, which is a much better way to encourage pvp).
Well i dont know about anyone else but ive never gone "oh we dont have favor, well blow me all of a sudden i have the urge to PVP instead of my normal PVE".
I liked the pvp match as you left pre-seer. I would like ot see more of it, because win or lose you still go on with your PVE game, but you get to enjoy PVP (and because there is no penalty (for example keep trying till you win, people dont come away bitter if they lose, which is a much better way to encourage pvp).
Hanuman li Tosh
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Originally Posted by Mahanaxar
Los Angeles 1984
4. China 15 8 9 32 Seoul 1988 11. China 5 11 12 28 Barcelona 1992 4. China 16 22 16 54 Atlanta 1996 4. China 16 22 12 50 Sydney 2000 3. China 28 16 15 59 Athen 2004 2. China 32 17 14 63 The numbers are gold medals, silver medals, bronze medals and total. China seems to win more medals every time |
conclusion, strenght in numbers is a vaid argument for individual fights but not tournaments.
Mahanaxar
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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh
thank you for proving my point. the amount of gold medals varies from 5-32. silver and bronze dont mean anything in this case becasue 2nd and 3rd place dont win the halls, only 1st. i am asuming the number before the year is the place they came in overall. it should be one in each case using the 'strength in numbers logic.
conclusion, strenght in numbers is a vaid argument for individual fights but not tournaments. |
Excluding Seoul, China wins increase every time.
position: 4-4-4-3-2
golds: 15-16-16-28-32
total: 32-54-50-59-63
See the trend? Doubled each stat in 20 years.
China 2008 will be pure chinese ownage.
Considering the big issues of chinese society and economy (i think half of chinese population doesnt even have a television to see olympic games), they can compete against occidental nations because they are so many.
Are they 1 billion? Take away the poors, the over exploited hand-employees, the huge country population. Even 1% of one billion is a huge pool to find olympic stars.
Numbers ARE important.
Hanuman li Tosh
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Originally Posted by Mahanaxar
I think these stats prove that numbers ARE important.
See the trend? Doubled each stat in 20 years. |
the logic is that the american server has a larger pool and therefore wins the most in GW.
chaina has the largest pool of people and always has so if the logic was correct then they would have the most olympic gold each time. they dont.
also india would come in second as they have over 1 billion people.