W/X FoW Spider Farmer

Triple Chop, Cyclone axe, Executioners strike, penetrating blow, watch yourself, physical resistance, healing sig, sprint
Axe mas: 16 (sup+help)
Tactics: 12
Strength: 7 (for 11 sec sprint)
Inspiration: 2

Works best for me..

Certainly Leech. The standard W/Me build uses the following skills:

Physical Resistance
Watch Yourself
Healing Signet
Sprint

The final 4 skills are generally attack skills of your choice. Many people like to use cyclone axe/triple chop and group up many spiders at once. Another popular build involves dragon slash and 3 other adrenaline sword attacks. It is really up to you on what you want to use for attacks. If you are find yourself taking too much damage with the skills above, you can add in doylak signet, or replace watch yourself with doylak signet.

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awesome, thanks aB-

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yea, i dont wanna hear the actual price of that, might make me cry, but ive gotten several gold chaos axes, couple were perfect, gave some to guildies, but if i kept them all unided and just saved up, i could probaly have a bag and a half from unided gold chaos axes alone from this run

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thats from drops alone, i wouldn even waste money obsidian keys, get lots of golds from spiders, dryders, and driftwoods alone

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It's been said before, but I have to say it again. Superb build, you have my admiration Racthoh. I played with the original one for maybe five runs, with successful clearing of the cave and then jumped right in to the HH build. There is barely a comparison in speed.

Anyway, on to my actual question: Has anyone noticed wastrels worry doing double damage sometimes? I don't have a screen, but have noticed it multiple times, so I know I am not crazy. I am just wondering if anyone knows what causes it, and if there is a cure. I can't seem to pinpoint what is going on.

yea, i just timed a front spider slaughter 3:55 flat lol, but the double of wastrel worry is probaly from frenzy, remember frenzy doubles damage

Ahh yes, frenzy. I am indeed aware of the double damage, but I don't usually have it up vs. the Dryders. That's got to be it though. Guess I will have to just be more careful

I almost never get golds (non chest) while farming the cave. I get a gold drop every 1 out of 5 runs maybe, and it almost always is some crappy shadow staff. I still take keys because I have had much more luck getting good items out of them.

I use a slightly modded build to suit my needs.

Galrath slash, Hundred blades, Final thrust, Dolyak sig, Heal sig, Sprint, Vig spirit and Mending. Mending i use to reduce the amount of degen the spiders drop on me. Att points are setup as follows. 8 Heal prayers, 10 strength, 14 swords, 10 tactics. I use knight's stats armor along with the following runes. sup vig, sup absorb, sup swords, minor strength, minor tactics. my shield is a +37 while enchant, -2 damage received while enchant. sword i use a customised sundering shadow blade of fortitude. 15-22 req 11, 14^50, 20/19 sundering and +30 hp.

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This run's actually easier for me now after the absorption changes.
Reason? I ran 7 strength 2 inspiration, with a Strongroot's Shelter (req 9). So I was gimping myself out of 13 armor before, which isn't a small sum. Having bought a tactics correspondant to the Strongroot's Shelter, and even with the absorption changes, the spiders crit for 9 instead of 12 now.

gg. I ought to try the W/Mo build sometime though, but I'm not that hardcore.

i was proposing another idea on the wammo build, i haven't used the balthazar spirit one, but does balthazar actualy provide enough energy alone? what if you had a vampiric blade + balthazar's spirit? get healed +13 instead of +12 with 10 hp (+3 hp -1 degen = -2hp second = 1 hp) but also do 3 more damage per hit? and switch back to zealous when you get low on spiders to provide energy for you?

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in conclusion it would be like having an extra -1 damage reduction but lil faster in killing, but the whole idea of using vampiricblade + balth spirit, is just food for though for optimizing the wammo build even more

Once you get down to fewer spiders, the effectiveness of Balthazar's Spirit isn't all that good. If you clear the whole cave (I always do) it just feels like a wasted slot.

I'm trying to see if there is a way to eliminate Watch Yourself entirely, since I never use it once I'm inside the cave itself. Perhaps if you didn't aggro every spider with the Healing Hands build on the outside, you can swap out Watch Yourself! for another attack skill. The inside is what takes the longest, and besides even neglecting to wait until the poison wears off (which is what I have been doing) before aggroing the next dryder, it is where the bulk of the time comes from.

yea exactly, i have done this with a tanzit defender, which means i had 16 al missing, it was risky business, i came close to dieing few times, but i did get it done, but i figured this was almost close enough simulation of not having watch yourself at all, since it was a req 9 str and i didn get the full 16 al

**edit** but yea i see what you mean, the dryder pulling is a real drag, i hate the cave part cus of the slowness of killing the dryders, but having healing signet instead of balth spirit seems to be faster, since i just charge after the next dryder with my bow since i got healing signet to speed things up recovery wise between spider groups, but what if possible, you took off 3 or 2 points, add on superior tactics or major tactics to meet req 9 shield requirements and take off watch yourself, pump more into hp and cover up damage loss from no watch yourself with more hp per hit and getting hit during hh time, i saw a shield the other day taht was req 7 tactics -2/-2 just imagining only having 7 tactics using major or sup rune to meet the 7 tactics, maxing healing prayer and having more hp addon and maybe investing some in strenght as left over for more sprint

would geoffer's bulwark a good shield?
req 9 tactics
16 armor
+30hp always
+10 armor Vs. piercing

Mathijn, the math has been worked out that -2 always is better then +10 armor vs

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yea, there is exceptions, -2 isnt always greater then +10 al

ok, i didn't know that math
gonna do this when i get on =)
last time i did it it was a long time ago =)

i replaced balthazar spirit with dolyak signet and set stats from wammo spider farmer to 16 weap 9 tactics 9 str 8 healing prayers and got awesome results:



i now officialy love this build, farming avicara with 16 weapon + frenzy is sweet, with only one minor skill and att change from the original build. . .

, i havent tested on ice imps to see if it can ids farm, but would be pretty awesome with 16 sword + frenzy, slaughtering imps, btw stay away from the groups with monks and necros,

it worked great on grawls in talus chute, until they used their dang malaise and stripped my enchantments, then i had balthazar spirit in place of sprint, it worked so awesome, i was using vampiric sword btw to add more damage, and switch to zealous when the enemies ran low, it worked so awesomely until those dang crones strippped them, but to be honest, i dont see how they stripped my enchantments, and rarely strip a 55er that goes and kills the grawls, plain unfair >:-( 55ers deserve to be stripped more then a war, i wondered if anyone else tried grawl with a frenzy wammo variant and got stripped as well, i dont see how 55ers rarely get stripped in that area


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OK i tried it on the ice imps, it can work, if you bunch them up really close, if you have to walk too far of a distance to attack one, you will die but it kils the ice imps really fast, only downfall is decrease speed movement, so it is kinda hard to do them because its hard to get to a fresh new one soon as one is dead and your being hammered withotu using live vic to heal by attacking and having hh out by recharge also frenzy + walking slowly to the next one = BAD BAD, so try let it end or cancel it out once one is dead, but be careful killing them with this build is tricky

After a lot of testing and playing, for a while now, I have been using a setup which allows me to take no damage but degen, spend a minimum amount of time healing, and eventualy, clear the cave in 40 minutes, total fow time.



Standing Slash
Galrath Slash
Silverwing Slash
Dragon Slash {e}
Healing Signet
"Shields Up!"
Physical Resistance
Sprint (10 secodns).

(note: no dolyak!)

knight's armor with duelist's helm, including a changable helm and boots for a second set of runes.

attributes:
setup 1 (up to the cave):
swordsmanship 14 (12+1+1)
tactics 13 (12+1)
strengh 4 (3+1)
hp 530.

setup 2 (starting at the cave entrance)
swordsmanship 16 (12+1+3)
tactics 15 (12+3)
strengh 4 (3+1)
hp 380.


it's ether sundering (the 17% which I currently have), or 10% furious. I still haven't decided.


With all of this, and with phys res active, I only get hit for 3~2 damage when getting a critical in the head, once in a while. I only need "shields up!" for healing, and in every activation of it (20 seconds long), I would normaly heal twice for 152*2, which is enough for 38 seconds. (152*2/8=38). activating phys res every 30 seconds, and shields up not more then that, (using it only when I have to heal, usualy around those 8 seconds after the last one recharged), does not require any energy managment.

The luring tactics has also changed. I lure the 3 first dryders, and then rush to the inner one. with a bit care, there is no danger in killing the dryder while under the spiders' attacks. then, standing right can almost always allow to kill the spiders one by one without any healing springs in the way. if they are too bunched up, I just rush the next dryder, and go on in the cave. sometimes I even clear the whole cave from the dryders, and then do the way back while killing the spiders.

With those 4 adrenaline skills, and the fast recharge due to dragon slash, atleast half of my attacks are skills, which deal around 65~70 damage. (furious helps a lot when I use it).

another thing to note is that I don't relay on adrenaline to defend myself, meaning I can stop attacking anytime, if I want to pick up loot, or talk on the phone. (with just clicking phys res, shields up, and the sig in the right way).



Please share with me your thoughts and ideas.

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hmm u got a nice shield there +10 piercing attack, -2 stance

foo, should quivering blade work instead of dragon slash?
4 adrealine, +36 dmg

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I hate to make a new off-topic post, but what is the song used in the Time Trial video?

(thanks Koning : )

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