Guild Wars Update - Nov 10 and Nov 11
Daisys Wrath
You know.. I am a mom of 4, with big enough financial problems in the "real" world. I play this game to escape the pressures and the constant need to budget money and time and my skills.. Why do I have to do that when I am playing now too. This is just totally wrong.. I don't mind change, really. But by forcing us to change our professions to adapt.. why should we? What happened to playing how we want to. I don't want to deal with stress and having to change to adapt, I do that enough in real life dealing with marriage, kids and running my household.. Thanks ANet, for screwing up my game life too!
pcgnus
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Originally Posted by Daisys Wrath
You know.. I am a mom of 4, with big enough financial problems in the "real" world. I play this game to escape the pressures and the constant need to budget money and time and my skills.. Why do I have to do that when I am playing now too. This is just totally wrong.. I don't mind change, really. But by forcing us to change our professions to adapt.. why should we? What happened to playing how we want to. I don't want to deal with stress and having to change to adapt, I do that enough in real life dealing with marriage, kids and running my household.. Thanks ANet, for screwing up my game life too!
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c h a v e z
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Originally Posted by Daisys Wrath
You know.. I am a mom of 4, with big enough financial problems in the "real" world. I play this game to escape the pressures and the constant need to budget money and time and my skills.. Why do I have to do that when I am playing now too. This is just totally wrong.. I don't mind change, really. But by forcing us to change our professions to adapt.. why should we? What happened to playing how we want to. I don't want to deal with stress and having to change to adapt, I do that enough in real life dealing with marriage, kids and running my household.. Thanks ANet, for screwing up my game life too!
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oh thats right you need to change your profession becuase there are only aoe's on elementalists. sorry maim look at your skills again?
twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by Jaia Shadowless
You clearly never played Diablo II.
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the game will continue on with or w/o you if you think this update really ruins the game for you. no one is forcing you to play it. its a free game.
Daisys Wrath
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Originally Posted by jonnybegood
so you are are saying a-nat ruined your real life?
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No I am saying that ANet made my game life way to much like my real life.. if I wanted that I would have never started playing the game in the first place.
jonnybegood
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Originally Posted by twicky_kid
you should ask my g/f then. btw, if you were anyone in d2 you knew who bterrill was. you should ask him where he got that eth crystal sword 6/6/3 CTA
the game will continue on with or w/o you if you think this update really ruins the game for you. no one is forcing you to play it. its a free game. |
Daisys Wrath
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Originally Posted by c h a v e z
oh thats right you need to change your profession becuase there are only aoe's on elementalists. sorry maim look at your skills again?
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Have you went out and tried to play.. they run from fireball, they run from final thrust, hundred blades... I mean come one.. if I wanted to be a hydromancer I would have worked with water.. well I don't want to do that.. but I don't have a choice, if I want to keep play my ele.
jonnybegood
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Originally Posted by Daisys Wrath
No I am saying that ANet made my game life way to much like my real life.. if I wanted that I would have never started playing the game in the first place.
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if you complain about farming with a MO/W or a W/MO then i have a hint. every sungle class can farm just about anything
The Son Of Morgoth
Hey A-net the least you can do is at least respond lol? o whoops not there? well by the time u get to work at like 9 o clock u will have lost a good deal of the gw population..........
Lasareth
Please keep the discussion to the update. Personal lives don't need to be part of this conversation.
Daisys Wrath
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Originally Posted by jonnybegood
GW is a competitive game ,i dont care who tells you otherwise, so be competitive. If that meens trying hard to do what you want to do then either try harder and make more money by a better way un heard of, or try a totally different approach and try a profession that u think didnt get nerfed.
if you complain about farming with a MO/W or a W/MO then i have a hint. every sungle class can farm just about anything |
I liked the competiveness the way things were.. why did they have to go and change a good thing. What was wrong with the way things were. you couldn't take a ele and go out and solo.. so why mess with it.. oh and my ranger is shot too. she was a trapper.. I liked her the way she was.. .why mess with a good thing?
Kenect
Well at least with this new update sprint will be used for somthing other than running to a town, (if the enemy scatters then sprint will catch up to them, just like pvp), yeah i know people dont want pve to be like pvp but this skill wasnt created "JUST" for running people to droks.
As for the griffon farming, dont use Balt's Aura or Symbol of Wrath just use cyclon axe (over and over, worked for me), running from whrilwind and fireball, that needs to be changed, i guess they would run from meteor too (*sarcastic* that would make sense).
Running from Chaos Storm makes that skill crap (unless it was only costing 5 enegy), but this change does help monks (not solo) if they cast symbol or wrath or balth's Aura then no more stone summit cravers will attack them (for atleast a little while).
As for the griffon farming, dont use Balt's Aura or Symbol of Wrath just use cyclon axe (over and over, worked for me), running from whrilwind and fireball, that needs to be changed, i guess they would run from meteor too (*sarcastic* that would make sense).
Running from Chaos Storm makes that skill crap (unless it was only costing 5 enegy), but this change does help monks (not solo) if they cast symbol or wrath or balth's Aura then no more stone summit cravers will attack them (for atleast a little while).
fawgre
It's not that I'm opposed to having the AI scatter under the effect of AoEs. It makes perfect sense for the AI to detect high amounts of concentrated damage and then run the hell out of there. This, on principle, I am not opposed to.
However.
I am opposed to ANet suddenly deciding, 6 months into it, that they want to change a very basic premise of the game. No warning, no explanations, still no official word on the patch or any potential tweaks or fixes, they just randomly throw in the update and wait for chaos to erupt. This can't even really be compared to any of the other dramatic updates so far. Chests now have keys... does that really change the basic strategies I use to interact with the environment? Prot Bond isn't horribly broken anymore, again, does this effect anyone besides on some very uninventive farmers?
This is also not a "PvE" update and we shouldn't be calling it that. This patch was not introduced because they wanted to make PvE more challenging. How many people here are already done with the game? Two times over, three times over? How many honest-to-God new people do we really have going through the game right now? Does it matter to anyone in this thread that the Ring of Fire missions are harder now? Who cares, I'll just skip them, I already have the Titan quest on my other two characters! This was a farming update, just a really, really broad-sweeping one. Solo farming was essentially whacked in the face (not to say that it can't be done, I was doing it earlier, it's just a lot longer and a slightly more challenging) along with SF farming. Anyone try getting a group today? One Meteor Shower and both my monks are dead. I tried my damnest to hold any sort of aggro whatsoever only to watch every single enemy pass me up and "scatter" right back to my casters. There is no "protection" anymore, there is no "body-blocking," every single enemy just "scatters" right on back to the backlines and there's nothing I can do about it.
GG Anet.
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I am opposed to ANet suddenly deciding, 6 months into it, that they want to change a very basic premise of the game. No warning, no explanations, still no official word on the patch or any potential tweaks or fixes, they just randomly throw in the update and wait for chaos to erupt. This can't even really be compared to any of the other dramatic updates so far. Chests now have keys... does that really change the basic strategies I use to interact with the environment? Prot Bond isn't horribly broken anymore, again, does this effect anyone besides on some very uninventive farmers?
This is also not a "PvE" update and we shouldn't be calling it that. This patch was not introduced because they wanted to make PvE more challenging. How many people here are already done with the game? Two times over, three times over? How many honest-to-God new people do we really have going through the game right now? Does it matter to anyone in this thread that the Ring of Fire missions are harder now? Who cares, I'll just skip them, I already have the Titan quest on my other two characters! This was a farming update, just a really, really broad-sweeping one. Solo farming was essentially whacked in the face (not to say that it can't be done, I was doing it earlier, it's just a lot longer and a slightly more challenging) along with SF farming. Anyone try getting a group today? One Meteor Shower and both my monks are dead. I tried my damnest to hold any sort of aggro whatsoever only to watch every single enemy pass me up and "scatter" right back to my casters. There is no "protection" anymore, there is no "body-blocking," every single enemy just "scatters" right on back to the backlines and there's nothing I can do about it.
GG Anet.
jonnybegood
well i dont think this build was oriented to the eles, i think towards the monks. i think they acted this way to distort the fine line between the poor and super rich of the game econimy.
also so i wont get banned.... i ment no harm feelings if any were taken that way.
also so i wont get banned.... i ment no harm feelings if any were taken that way.
pcgnus
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Originally Posted by The Son Of Morgoth
Hey A-net the least you can do is at least respond lol? o whoops not there? well by the time u get to work at like 9 o clock u will have lost a good deal of the gw population..........
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Hum how do you get users to leave, make a major nerf like this, and walla now the costs are back to normal because new users will never know the difference, only well seasoned users who played the game endlessly.
I for one am think this was a monitary nerf, LETS LOWER THE USER BASE SO OUR COSTS GET BACK IN LINE.
800 thousand users online * X amount for bandwidth
as opposed to
500 thousand online * amount of bandwidth.
Hum sounds like they are making room for the next million copies sold
Servant of None #12
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Originally Posted by Aracos79
Somebody call 911... cuz we got ourselves a FLAME WAR.
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But yes, back to topic, I would like this update to be rescinded. I farm legitimately. Someone said somewhere that farming is part of the economy. It is! It gets fresh gold into the system, helping keep prices low by keeping money circulating.
And it's not like I sit there in my mountain, hoarding my gold like Smaug (Tolkien fans enjoy). I make money and get drops. I fairly often give money and drops to my guild so they can get stuff they want, and I don't sell my money on eBay like a sweatshop slave driver, so why are they punishing legitimate farmers who are just earning an honest fake buck?
thief
Dear A.net, I think this patch really sucks. You have made DOT AOE's completely useless. Not only have you made AOE's useless, but you have also made running easier. Now that running is easier, we don't have any need for AOE's anyway, thanks for that. Now we can all run to wherever we need to go.
Dear Elementalists, please do not fret. Simply equip Windbourne and run your way to glory!
Dear Farmers, I am terribly sorry that you cannot farm anymore, but now that running is easier, and your aoe's are useless, you too can take an ele or warrior secondary, and use windbourne or sprint to get to wherever you need to go! I'd suggest you charge people for the runs but there is no money in it anymore. Everyone can run to wherever they need themselves.
To those who think my comments have been immature, and childish. The game sucks now and this is far more fun than guild wars at the moment.
Thank you for your time, post on.
Dear Elementalists, please do not fret. Simply equip Windbourne and run your way to glory!
Dear Farmers, I am terribly sorry that you cannot farm anymore, but now that running is easier, and your aoe's are useless, you too can take an ele or warrior secondary, and use windbourne or sprint to get to wherever you need to go! I'd suggest you charge people for the runs but there is no money in it anymore. Everyone can run to wherever they need themselves.
To those who think my comments have been immature, and childish. The game sucks now and this is far more fun than guild wars at the moment.
Thank you for your time, post on.
Daisys Wrath
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Originally Posted by jonnybegood
well i dont think this build was oriented to the eles, i think towards the monks. i think they acted this way to distort the fine line between the poor and super rich of the game econimy.
also so i wont get banned.... i ment no harm feelings if any were taken that way. |
you didn't hurt my feelings ne.. I was just basically saying that I liked the way my casters or trapper worked.. right now I can't even use cyclone axe cuz they run from it. That isn't fun.. I thought it was challenging enough trying to get through everything past Droknars Forge. But this is just one gamers opinion..
I pwnd U
anet has just basicaly kiled eles. i know i know eles have more then just aoe skills. but what is an ele build on? aoe yes i know more then fire types. but theres malestorm for water idk for earth. but come on. monsters act like lili wimps. they run from a simple aoe spell. half the time aoes arent used to farm they are used to help out a team. now u cant use meteor shower to knockdown enimes to save a team mate b/c the enemies know its coming and run away. u even think a/b using lava front to protect yurslf they run away wait til its down then come back and kill u. basically the nuker has become obsolete. also the farming thing isnt such a bad thing.. now they run from aoes. so people who want to farm have to WORK at it. its not just stand there and throw up baths aura u have to think and work at it. it hasnt killed farming just made it more difficult. but to all the players taht are legit and try there best to make the best possible nuker. im srry bout anet has just screwed u over. i knwo myslf have put lots of time into my nuker. his purpose was to through up aoes to help out the team. now i cant even do that. and when they cahse the fleeing enimes they aggro more enemies. and then they will run and so on. so basically life for the nuker sucks. u will proly see more warriors. and yes anet proly killed off some of there population of players w/ this stupid update. if they really thought a/b it they could of possilby but in a program that notified when u went out by yurslf then if u used and aoe the monsters would run. now im missions and quest nukers are pointless. so all u e/mos mite as well become full healing... thanks alot anet.
*note this is not a flame this is just my personal thought and opinion*
*note this is not a flame this is just my personal thought and opinion*
AncientPC
Hey, now I have an excuse to delete my little used ascended Elementalist!
Necro here I come! (or maybe I should try Mesmer, naw too hard to get into a pug as Mesmer.
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Necro here I come! (or maybe I should try Mesmer, naw too hard to get into a pug as Mesmer.
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ToMTeMoR
I think this update is marvellous. It will make people think more when creating farming builds. And lol no farming isn't dead, i already have 2 builds which do not rely on AoE Damage.
Which brings me to another subject. Does Aftershock count as a AoE? It only does damage once?
Which brings me to another subject. Does Aftershock count as a AoE? It only does damage once?
Tater_Knuts
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Do the enemies still attack when they have Empathy and Spiteful Spirit on them? Do spellcasters still whip out spells as fast as possible when they have Backfire on them? Why target, JUST the AoE spells?
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EternalTempest
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Originally Posted by pcgnus
Again the point. They want people to run, they want us to leave. Less people playing means less bandwidth, bandwidth costs money. Think of it you buy the game for 50$ they have 20$ allocated for bandwidth for your game. You spend months on the game and now you are costing them money.
Hum how do you get users to leave, make a major nerf like this, and walla now the costs are back to normal because new users will never know the difference, only well seasoned users who played the game endlessly. I for one am think this was a monitary nerf, LETS LOWER THE USER BASE SO OUR COSTS GET BACK IN LINE. 800 thousand users online * X amount for bandwidth as opposed to 500 thousand online * amount of bandwidth. Hum sounds like they are making room for the next million copies sold |
In the reports they gave to people that buy stock told them the expect to get a million units sold by the end of the year as an educated guess. They would set up the infrasture to support million this close to the end of the year. The more people play and stay playing = much much better chapter 2 sales.
They have beat there guess and got more money then they expected and can pay for the bandwidth. There part of NCSoft so I highly doubt they are buying stand alone systems at full price. There can use money to expand NCSoft for GW stuff at cheaper price by adding on to the existing infrastructure.
If we started getting lag across the board for everyone I must think about this a reason but still would not beleive they shot themselves in the foot to lose players as the only reason.
(Edit) They would do shotgun to the head by charging for the game and lose people that way and hope to have enough to sustain the infrasture.
kenjiglock
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Originally Posted by Servant of None #12
I would like to think I am not "flaming" people. I am getting a bit annoyed at someon in particular trying to insult my friend. Again I say, trying, but not succeeding at it.
But yes, back to topic, I would like this update to be rescinded. I farm legitimately. Someone said somewhere that farming is part of the economy. It is! It gets fresh gold into the system, helping keep prices low by keeping money circulating. And it's not like I sit there in my mountain, hoarding my gold like Smaug (Tolkien fans enjoy). I make money and get drops. I fairly often give money and drops to my guild so they can get stuff they want, and I don't sell my money on eBay like a sweatshop slave driver, so why are they punishing legitimate farmers who are just earning an honest fake buck? |
jonnybegood
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ToMTeMoR
cyclone isn't a aoe... it won't affect them
DeathDealer
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Originally Posted by kenjiglock
Sorry, but putting fresh gold into the economy doesnt keep prices down. It just leads to inflation. Prices will be higher the more you farm. As someone said earlier, economics is awesome :-p.
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twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by ToMTeMoR
I think this update is marvellous. It will make people think more when creating farming builds. And lol no farming isn't dead, i already have 2 builds which do not rely on AoE Damage.
Which brings me to another subject. Does Aftershock count as a AoE? It only does damage once? |
pretty much all eles have are spells so it is hitting them hard b/c they rely on the aoe dmg. multiply it by the number of eles in party and it nukes everything in its path.
hint for future farmers (not going to give it away) look to skills that are NOT spells for your aoe dmg. they only flee on spells.
lyra_song
Its actually funny...i cast symbol of wrath and follow it up with Bull's Strike!! Hilarious!! Now I can make them run away anytime i want to so i can hit them from behind....Brilliant A.I. Improvement.
Mysterial
OK, I'm getting here late, but let's see if I got this straight:
Since the game came out, many many people whined and bitched about how monsters and henchmen (more so henchmen) stand there and take it when duration AoE's are cast on them. Now, they've finally fixed that, as they should because it was rediculous how many battles I've lost due to Alesia standing in Maelstrom or Meteor Shower instead of doing something useful, and now people whine and bitch instead because they can't do much damage with their precious Firestorm - which, news flash, sucked even when the enemy stood in it the whole time. I'm actually hoping that now that that spell and a couple others like it sucks in PvE just as much as in PvP that Arenanet will finally boost the damage.
Oh, and there's the farmers. Here's a news flash for you guys, too: The world does not revolve around you; Arenanet was most likely trying to be the good guys and fix something lots of people complained about and couldn't care less about how it affects your farming either way. Try using a little bit of your brain and figure out a new way to farm instead of crying like spoiled children.
Did I get it all?
Since the game came out, many many people whined and bitched about how monsters and henchmen (more so henchmen) stand there and take it when duration AoE's are cast on them. Now, they've finally fixed that, as they should because it was rediculous how many battles I've lost due to Alesia standing in Maelstrom or Meteor Shower instead of doing something useful, and now people whine and bitch instead because they can't do much damage with their precious Firestorm - which, news flash, sucked even when the enemy stood in it the whole time. I'm actually hoping that now that that spell and a couple others like it sucks in PvE just as much as in PvP that Arenanet will finally boost the damage.
Oh, and there's the farmers. Here's a news flash for you guys, too: The world does not revolve around you; Arenanet was most likely trying to be the good guys and fix something lots of people complained about and couldn't care less about how it affects your farming either way. Try using a little bit of your brain and figure out a new way to farm instead of crying like spoiled children.
Did I get it all?
I pwnd U
not everyone complaning a/b the new aoe update is farmers. some people are legit nukers that worked hard to get there. now they have to scrap that build and start all over. so ya sure farmers wil cry bout it but they will get over it. eles wil be most effected.
Racthoh
Concerning the whole farming thing, prehaps if gold had a purpose other than esthetics this update would've made sense. My fissure has no advantage over your droks, your black dyed robe is no better than my red, and my collector sword is just as strong as your fellblade.
Also, Hundred Blades isn't making mobs run from me. The same is true for Galrath Slash and Final Thrust.
Also, Hundred Blades isn't making mobs run from me. The same is true for Galrath Slash and Final Thrust.
Kenect
good luck with the quest in pre-searing from elementalist azuire (with firestorm)
EDIT: Oh well my intended nuker just got screwed, looks like it time for pac man
EDIT: Oh well my intended nuker just got screwed, looks like it time for pac man
Amused Observer
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Originally Posted by unienaule
Just a hint to the UW groups now, weakness is your friend.
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Zoolooman
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Originally Posted by Aracos79
Seriously... the overreaction is pretty amusing. Adjust, adapt, develop new strategies. Just because you can't "echo nuke" everything in the game now doesn't mean that it's the end of the world.
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To all who strawman the anti-patch arguments as a fear of change:
Change is neither inherently good, nor inherently bad, and to assume otherwise is fallacious.
There is nothing good and proper about change and adaptation. Sometimes, things ain't broke and don't need fixin', and other times things are broke and do need fixin'.
This is the former case. Things weren't broke, yet this patch unnecessarily "fixed" an entire class of PvE-oriented attacks. Face it, most area of effect spells are shit. They have huge energy costs, deal minor damage, and take forever to cast and kill. They were only effective because they hit multiple targets, all of which stayed and kept taking damage.
But they aren't effective now. Sure, the cheap AoEs make the enemies move around and waste time, but it's not long before that oversight will be patched, and then what? After that, where will AoE spells be useful? In time, people will realize that there are better ways of dealing damage, most of them involving hexes, conditions, and direct strikes on singular targets. They will abandon the nerfed AoE spells, to the detriment of the game's variety and scope.
In essence, I'm not complaining because I have a negative reaction to change, little skill, low adaptability, or low creativity. I'm complaining because I want to get the most out of this game's design, and by that benchmark this patch is a major step backwards, not forwards. It does not increase the number of useful skills, but instead decreases it, and I think we can all agree that that is not good.
DeathDealer
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Originally Posted by I pwnd U
not everyone complaning a/b the new aoe update is farmers. some people are legit nukers that worked hard to get there. now they have to scrap that build and start all over. so ya sure farmers wil cry bout it but they will get over it. eles wil be most effected.
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Elena
and yust when i made a pve echo nuker -cry oh well guess i'l go air muahah
calamitykell
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Originally Posted by Kenect
good luck with the quest in pre-searing from elementalist azuire (with firestorm)
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You don't actually have to use firestorm to kill them all
twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by Mysterial
OK, I'm getting here late, but let's see if I got this straight:
Since the game came out, many many people whined and bitched about how monsters and henchmen (more so henchmen) stand there and take it when duration AoE's are cast on them. Now, they've finally fixed that, as they should because it was rediculous how many battles I've lost due to Alesia standing in Maelstrom or Meteor Shower instead of doing something useful, and now people whine and bitch instead because they can't do much damage with their precious Firestorm - which, news flash, sucked even when the enemy stood in it the whole time. I'm actually hoping that now that that spell and a couple others like it sucks in PvE just as much as in PvP that Arenanet will finally boost the damage. Oh, and there's the farmers. Here's a news flash for you guys, too: The world does not revolve around you; Arenanet was most likely trying to be the good guys and fix something lots of people complained about and couldn't care less about how it affects your farming either way. Try using a little bit of your brain and figure out a new way to farm instead of crying like spoiled children. Did I get it all? |
BBoy_Manchild
im not worried about monsters running away from aoe spells, i dont play those chars anyways, my warrior, necro, and ranger are not effected at all.
what i hate is the new AI on henchmen, i prefered when they stood and took aoe over time spells like monkeys suffering from down syndrome, now they run away from aoe spells AND DO NOTHING, they do NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, take the damage and do something is what i say
what i hate is the new AI on henchmen, i prefered when they stood and took aoe over time spells like monkeys suffering from down syndrome, now they run away from aoe spells AND DO NOTHING, they do NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, take the damage and do something is what i say