a tip for the mouthbreathers out there... spread the word.

LFG = looking for GROUP

GLF = GROUP looking for..

In both of these phrases the important word is GROUP!

Futhermore, I don't care you who are, if you are the only member of your party you do not constitute a GROUP!

Maybe I'm just in a rotten mood, and maybe this problem is made worse by the fact that I'm a monk. But I despise when I put out an lfg and get a blind invite and it turns out to be one guy. I often just leave on principal because I clearly stated I was looking for a group. Just as annoying is when someone advertises a group looking for a monk and it turns out to be one guy.

/rant off.

ps. Mouthbreather... you've all see them, they've always got that slackjaw drawing flies look on their faces, this is how envision people who cant grasp the above concept.

LFG , GLF , mission , quest ? farming , running ?

the game is filled with humans , not robots , this words can be confusing for someone that doesnt play the game all day ... i see people everywhere still confusing this ... so dont take it as a skam ... its more of a noob act.

Nah, sorry, was being sarcastic about relating the use of the mouth to typing. Anyways, I know what you mean by it, but not so sure what's the problem. You could just start with you and the one person who invited you, and then begin the group from there.

Certainly I'm not accusing anyone of scamming, but someone whos doing this at the deldrimor war camp, or the Temple of Ages should understand the meaning of these phrases. I'm just highly annoyed. It's like a little man tap dancing on my last nerve when I'm trying to get a group for one of these places and I get the invite and I'm thinking this PUG wont suck donkey privates, and it turns out to be one guy who is just inviting me because I'm a monk. Worse in my mind is the guy who confuses the GLF because thats straight up false. I just want to yell at these people... YOU ARE NOT A GROUP. Maybe its just me.

Sometimes when I'm in a good mood I dont care. But tonight I'm not feeling very friendly and it just bothers me intensely for some reason. I mean its not like i'm being unclear, I'm stating that I'm seeking a group. Not seeking some guy to invite me because he can advertise that he has a monk in his group to recruit with. Trust me, thats not a group you really want to be in.

A group is merely a collection of people. Which is why I opt for the word 'team'.

I don't think that person is confusing GLF or LFG. Just wants to join up with a monk. By any chance was it a warrior? How about starting a group? Or getting guildies/friends if they are not busy?

Anyways, whatever works for you. Good luck.

agreed. but I dont want to further confuse people with LFT or TFL. In either case you'll agree with me that one player does not a group make, right?

I've been using lft since the days of AO

Ever heard this:
"GLF 2 monks 1 heal 1 prot, 1 Nuker and 1 Minion master for 5-man SF farming team!"
I imagine you would find this quite irritating, I just laugh and think of the poor mending W/Mo sitting alone in the corner spamming this.

What the hell!?!?! This may be the most ignorant thing I've read on this board to date, and that covers a fair bit of ground.

I'm not sure whether you're aware of this or not, but ALL groups, whether it's a Guild Wars troupe or the teamsters union, they ALL start with one person asking one other person to join him/her... and you quit a group because you were the first one the guy invited? Wow... just wow. I form groups all the time based on people saying "LFG"... that's what people say when they want to play. They don't say "LF 1 person that's starting a group so I can be second" because it makes absolutely no difference what order you're invited in. They're looking for a group, and as soon as they join me, voila, we're a pair. Then I invite 1 more person, and hey, magic again, we're a group. Soon enough, the group fills up. See how simple that was? Not joining a person because he's the one starting the group is just foolish, because there's a good chance he's forming the group because he knows what he's doing. Most morons that have no clue what they're doing won't bother starting a group, they'll join an existing one so people don't realize how useless they are until its too late. If you accept their invitation and see that he's throwing out random invites to the entire district, then yes, by all means, leave... but if he's the guy that goes there knowing exactly what to do, sees "Monk LFG" and invites you so he can begin building a solid group, and you won't join him before someone else does, thats insanely strange to me.

Simplified: if everyone required more than one person to be in a group before they accepted an invite, NO GROUPS WOULD FORM. Jesus... I don't even know how to stress this point any harder.

I'm sort of shell-shocked by how matter-of-factly you talk about this concept, like anyone who doesn't already have 3 people when they invite you is the lowest form of moron.

I see where youre coming from. Futher, I understand that all groups start with one person inviting another. That IS how groups start. But the start of a group is not a group. When I say LFG, I mean LFG, I want a group, ready to go. I deny your logic that anyone who is looking for people who are experienced and ready to go knows nothing.

Even if I were to concede your point to you in that instance, which I do not, that still leaves the people who are talking about "groups" looking for 2 monks for SF that turn out to be one person. That is clearly not a group.

If you won't join a group that doesn't already have 5 or 6 people in it because you're too impatient to wait for a team to form, you don't sound like a really valuable asset to anyones team. The game takes patience, if you don't even have enough of it to wait for a group to form, good luck to you.

I didn't say that "anyone who is looking for people who are experienced and ready to go knows nothing" I just said that its ridiculous to leave a group if you're the first invited because all groups of anything start with 1. Point still stands.

Your point does not stand good sir.

A single person, advertising as a group looking for A monk, or 2 monks, does not a group make, thus, advertising as a group is false.

Again, I refute that the fact that my desire not to sit thru the construction of a pug, which in no way improves the chances of that pug being better than one thats ready to go, makes me any less of an asset to a team.

You don't have to tell me the game takes patience, I've finished with 2 and have 2 more nearly finished as well and my monk is 3 classes into all skills unlocked, but that doesn't include joining "groups" of one.

Now, thats twice, once indirectly and once directly that you've tried to insult my ability to be an asset to a party. While I have not insulted you once. Try again if you must to prove that youre right, but try this time to do it without the backhanded dig.

The backhanded digs will keep coming, no matter how many times you litter your stunted logic with 5-dollar-words or affect a pompous dialect.

If you DON'T HAVE PATIENCE, you are not an asset to your team because the game requires patience. I thought that was pretty clear. If you can't wait for a PUG to form, you don't have patience. Got it? Clear? (Don't agree, I really don't care.)

All you're doing is debating the usage of the word GROUP. People say LFG or GLF because their end goal is to have a full group, and like I've said umpteen times in the course of this discussion, ALL GROUPS START WITH ONE. The ONLY DIFFERENCE between one person inviting you and 6 people inviting you is that you'll have less of a wait before you enter your mission/area. What does that say? All you want to avoid is that couple of minutes of waiting, which is proof that your problem is that you have no patience.

I don't have to "prove" I'm right, simple logic dictates that all groups begin with one person inviting another person to join him/her. If I have to do some sort of test to "prove" this to you, you are beyond help. If you want to avoid this nonsensical, absurd "problem", then you should do something about it. Post "LFG with 7/8 slots filled" in the local channel, since that is a pretty uncommon request. I'm going to go out on a limb and say most people will think you're sort of petty if you need to be invited into a group in a certain order.

I've used indirect "insults" because I don't want to flame you, but believe me I'm having a tough time holding back... and please note, proper usage of English and grammar isn't enough to make a nonsensical argument stick or make you seem any smarter. You can gift-wrap a turd, but whats in the box?

Edit: Is calling anyone who doesn't agree with your misguided logic a "mouthbreather" and inferring that they're one step shy of completely retarded, a totally appropriate, rational, thing to say? Or would that perhaps be a "dig" of some sort? Maybe it only applies when you disagree with what they're saying?

Second edit: I'm done with this argument. Everyone who disagrees with your totally obtuse complaint, is, as you've stated, a "mouthbreather". Everyone who tries to form a group without 4 guildies already in his party before he invites you is a complete lackwit, a moron with less than half a brain. You are right, and everyone else is wrong.

Next time find something real to complain about.

Although Elistan may state his argument rather bluntly, it's still a valid point. Stop arguing semantics and throwing insults.

Yes, we'd all like a group waiting with 7 people that was just waiting for us to finish it off, but that is not reality.

Nor does a group being "ready to go" imply that it is any better than one that is newly forming. The only difference is the time you spend waiting for the rest of the group to form. Obviously you would like to always save that time, and thus never be a part of newly forming groups. The problem is, if everyone thought like that, no full groups would ever get made - as everyone would be waiting for nearly finished groups.

If his point is that 1 person does not make a group, point taken. If his point is that anyone who takes the initiative to start a group and invites people who say "LFG" (ie 100% of people playing in PUGs) is a "mouthbreather", I'm still having trouble coming to grips with it... anyway I'm posting this as an assurance to you as well, I'm done with this thread. Happy trails.

The other poster's point, although likewise stated bluntly, was likewise valid. Patience is an asset to a team. Elistan appears to only want to join groups "ready to go". I've pointed out the problem with that in my previous post.

Most people are looking for at least partly made groups. If I'm forming a PUG, which I don't do anymore, I either say "LF Mesmer, Ranger, 2 Monks" or "forming new group, need Mesmer, Ranger, 2 Monks".

To clarify my earlier statement: both have valid points, but any more insults and this thread is done.

Again, I do understand the value of patience within a misson/outing whatever. I'm a monk, I'm quite often preaching patience within the mission. However, I prefer to spend as little time as possible sitting in outpost/towns. Allow me to clarify some more. A group ready to go does not always mean 7 players. If I'm looking for a group calling for a prot monk in war camp, 4 players who know thier role is of course preferred, but 3 is still a group. 1 is not.

Until its proven to me otherwise (and 600+ hours of play havent done so) when dealing with pick up groups, there is no guarentee of an even remotely competant group. Waiting during construction of a pick up group has not in my experience increased the number of good pick up groups, as no amount of pre mission communication helps when so few people actually listen. Thus, if I can get a group quickly, and it turns out to be a sour group, I can hopefully use the saved time to adjust strategy or find another group if I feel that the current group is hopeless. I apologize to any I've offended with the mouthbreather concept, I just felt it was an apt way to discribe my current impression of solo players who advertise as a group.

I often begin formation of PUGs by advertising thusly:

Lvl 20 Mesmer LFG: Defending Droknar's

(An example.)

However, if nobody invites me in a few moments, I then take it upon myself to form a group of my own, seeing as one isn't going to fall into my lap. The next person who advertises for a similar group, will get my invite. (Granted they aren't spamming insults and what not.) The fact of the matter is, he is looking for a "group"...and though I am one person, as soon as he joins me, he is, in fact, then part of a "group." Therefore, in the end, it is in no way "false advertisement" or "scamming" but rather, a difference in perception. He found a group, albeit just he and I, thus, his request was fulfilled in my eyes.

Yeah! There's no 'I' in team... oh wait there's no 'I' in group either.

Until we can Bilocate... you have to start somewhere

Gee, I hope I click myself on the OP's team by mistake so that I can get his temper up a bit! I for one interpret LFG as someone looking to get into a party or forming a party for a quest or mission. Its so easy (and fun) to find something to complain about!

Tip: when you get an invite from someone you can hover next to their name in the list and it will show you who else is in their group (if anyone)

ok... I'm willing to concede that Maybe I jumped the gun on the point where I advertised LFG, although I maintain that most groups are formed without a monk and are finished with the recruiting of monks so its not that unreasonable as a monk to expect a group invite from an actual group. How many times have you seen 5 or six groups of 6 in the fire islands, or groups of 3 talking about needing monks for a smite run, or a keg run... I find that when I'm not playing my monk most pugs are built without monks and then we wait and wait and wait and then when we get our monks we go... thus, when I'm playing my monk, I expect groups who are looking for a monk and only monk to invite me because those groups are numerous....


So maybe I jumped the gun on that point, I concede that LFG can mean that a person is looking for an invite from one player. BUT. I still reject the notion that one player avertsiing as a group looking for a monk is correct.

The difference is split.

Ok, 1 person is not a group, but as someone else posted above, if you join another person, you together form a group

then, if you join a 'group' as the second person, the leader will listen to you most of the times. If you join a group of 7/8, you join (most of the time) a group which might not even fit into your build.

For example you need a protecting monk to defend you. A group of 7/8 won`t listen to you.
A group of 2/8, will listen to you. Especially as they will need a monk later on.

if I am wrong, please say so, but you say a monk has something like the right to join a full group, where any other class will just need to wait for a good party and have patience?

What you could also do is join that 1 person, and merge with another small group. There you go, you have a nearly full party.


I can see your point that people advertising as a group should be a group however.

no, monks have no rights beyond that of any other class. Its not that I deem that groups should be built and sit around waiting for monks, its just a fact of life that it happens like that. Trust me I dispise monks who think being a monk makes them better than others, I've never "charged for services" and find the concept disgusting, nor have I ever held a group ransom with my healing or reses or anything. Although I will admit not rezing people who were extrodinarily rude to me or who died because they continually refused to listen to me when I was alerting the party that a pull break was needed for energy.

As far as getting a nearly complete party to fit my build, I dont really have any problems with that because I'm very flexible, I carry around 5 sets of armor with differeing rune set ups and can switch around to perform whatever task the party needs in about 3 minutes.

In response to the original post when you say looking for group it gives most the impression you are either looking to form one or join one. 9 times out of 10 when I have spoke with a person who was Yelling LFG (since i was confused by this at first) they where alone and looking to form the group themselves. Dont get so mad. Plus if you want a group and one joins you are on your way then just invite people yourself!!!!

I think that taking an "I'm special becuase I'm a monk attitude" isn't very productive: it just happens to be one class that is a little more rare than others in mission PUGs, but it's also a class that many players have as alternate toons. The seemingly idiotic solo ranger who's asking the monk to join his group may very well know a lot more about monking and mission-doing than the monk does. Not exactly on-topic, but I really get peeved when monks leave the group at the slightest little inconvenience, when you know that if they were playing a mesmer or ranger or necro they'd be on the receiving end of the special attitude.

It is funny though, how when you're a monk you are kind of like royalty, regardless of your skill level.

As far as LFG's and GLF's go, if you get an invite you don't like, don't take it. If you accept one and then don't like the group, just leave. As someone above suggested, if you really want to get the most out of your group, start it yourself. I NEVER fail to start my own groups for missions like Thunderhead Keep and Thirsty River.

i always thought that lfg meant looking for game not group, but that just me

Somehow out of all of this I think you have failed to see the point. He Said he was looking for a Group, Multiple individuals, not a single person forming a group. Rather A GROUP. (<-Is usually not even a monk) All this mudslingin' and because some individual can not understand the concept of wanting a Group instead of Helping to Form a group. Is a simple concept, no ? Obtuse, only if you are a troll looking to back hand someone. Everyone plays differently, and if you want a Group of people instead of a Party of one you have that choice. No Insults and no convaluted (Spelling anyone ?) reasoning will change that.

Should be LFP (party). LFG could easily mean LFGuild, and I wish it did. Would make recruiting a lot easier.
Also, I've always wondered why people used WTB and WTS. Both are confusing to noobies, and could mean the same thing. Could be seen as "Willing To Buy" or misconstrued (and it has been a lot) as "Want To Buy?" posed as a question, like "You 'want to buy' my sword?" which would actually be WTS. I say we use what another popular MMO used: B> (Buying) S> (Selling). That is in no way confusing.

You could always try "LFG with one more opening for Monk!"

This doesn't even make sense. PUGs form rapidly when they already have a monk or two, not like there's much waiting. When I monk, when I'm too lazy to form a group myself, try and make sure to join as second member so I can have some say about who else comes into the party.

Also, the situation where a bunch of dimwits stand around a district LFGing and turning down 1 person invites as you do is so common you can end up spending 5 minutes without a party even forming.

Btw, a monk can form a group faster than anyone, because people don't turn down invites from them, especially other monks. If you're a monk sitting in a stale district, make a group yourself.

Groups have to start somewhere, you know. Or are you waiting for guilds to organize them for you?

I have seen people that ask for monks first, though Spamming "GLF 3 monks!!" when they're the only person in it.

I'm not flaming, just basing this on your use of certain phrases, but it seems your grasp on the English language isn't quite 100%. Go back and read what I said, rather than bait me into saying the exact same thing 45 times, because I've addressed, at length, everything you're saying. Nobody has "failed to see the point". I get his point, I just think its incredibly ridiculous. I can't even believe this concept is still regurgitating, but I'll recap for your benefit. Digest it slowly because I don't have any desire to come back and explain it to you beyond this post.

1 person invites him, thats no good.
2 people invite him, that's good, because 3 makes a group.

Do you not see how insignificant and petty the difference between 1 and 2 players inviting you into a group is?

If he wants a fully formed ready to go group, he should state so when he says LFG, because nobody starting a group, to the best of my knowledge, takes into consideration whether they ARE a group at the time or whether they WILL be a group in 2 minutes. When I begin a group by way of typing in the channel, I say Forming or Starting group, but usually I just remain silent, and when I see the class I need say "LFG", I just invite him, we form the group, and we go do whatever we set out to do. I've never, ever had a complaint forming a group this way.

Take care.

P.S. This argument has gone in circles, now its circling the drain... let it die unless you have something completely new to introduce.

The official and proper way:

LFP = Looking For Party

Because GW use word 'party', not words 'group' or 'team'

I prefer the term 'band'.


It's not a group, it's a band!