Faction = Garbage

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muelon
muelon
Ascalonian Squire
#1
OK Guys heres my gripe,

I am a PVE player that has run out of things to do in PVE.
Now I PVP all the time.
My Faction Points are way over 50,000 (spend it when i max it).
What do I spend it on?????
Well, pvp stuff that i will never use, cause all 4 of my slots r full.

Now this is my bitch. ANet Give me an emote or something that i can show off with. My faction buy me nothing.

People that farm for fame at least get something to show off with.
I got nothing.
Ollj
Ollj
Jungle Guide
#2
after everything is unlocked your faction freezes at 10.000 .
old topic.

you should get something untradeable single use item buyable in faction only.
Sofonisba
Sofonisba
Desert Nomad
#3
I'm sorry to hear it.

There have been suggestion threads in Sardelac Sanitarium about alternate uses for faction for PvE.

On my first account, I, like you, never intended to PvP ever, so I had 4 PvE characters. I have since built up/spent around 30-40k faction uselessly on that account.

I did buy a second account and actually left a PvP slot open! I love faction now (still a baby, though, at around 60k). Too bad you can't trade faction between accounts.
Shadowspawn X
Shadowspawn X
Jungle Guide
#4
Faction is for PvP'rs it was put there to stop their whining about having to play the game (which they reffer to as grind), and has had a very negative effect on PvE. They probelm is they give too much faction to PvP'rs for a Player Kill as opposed to XP for a PvE toon playing PvP.

If you have a PvP toon and a PvE toon on the same team in random. You get 20 faction per kill plus a 25 faction bonus for winning for a total of 105 faction per win. You also get 25 XP per player kill for a total of 100 XP per win.

After a 10 game winning streak they have 1050 faction and 1000 XP. The pvp toon is free to choose the skill of his choice at this point, because a skill unlock is a measly 1000 faction. On the other hand the 1000 XP does nothing for the PvE toon because a skill point is 15,000 XP so he is only 6.6% on his way to a skill point. As a matter of fact the PvE toon has to win 150 straight games for one skill point.

I say to heck with faction.
Anet needs to bring XP for Player Kills in line with faction.

So that people wont abanden their PvE toons when they start PvP.
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MarkyX
Frost Gate Guardian
#5
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So that people wont abanden their PvE toons when they start PvP.
PvE toons is for PvE, not PvP.
Sofonisba
Sofonisba
Desert Nomad
#6
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Originally Posted by MarkyX
PvE toons is for PvE, not PvP.
For people like the OP and myself, though, we both started out totally disinterested in PvP, and filled up our account with 4 PvE characters before getting the PvP bug.

You know that you can do the competition and team arenas, Tombs, and GvG with PvE characters, right?
M
MarkyX
Frost Gate Guardian
#7
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Originally Posted by Sofonisba
For people like the OP and myself, though, we both started out totally disinterested in PvP, and filled up our account with 4 PvE characters before getting the PvP bug.

You know that you can do the competition and team arenas, Tombs, and GvG with PvE characters, right?
Yes but unless you have the best runes and perfect weapons, chances are that a PvP character would own you.
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crimsonfilms
Wilds Pathfinder
#8
Intersting is I sometimes level up my PvP arenas. Trouble is, there is no way to spend it....
Anyways, increasing the XP bonus would make it unbalance since there will be 2 REWARDS to PvE characters vs 1 reward for PvP.

One skill point means cap sig = 1 elite. It takes 3K faction to unlock one for PvP.

I say get rid of XP all together in PvP so there is no confusion.
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dargon
Furnace Stoker
#9
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Originally Posted by MarkyX
Yes but unless you have the best runes and perfect weapons, chances are that a PvP character would own you.
heh, I don't have the best items, hell, my typical bow only has 1 upgrade on it and I still take down about 75% of my targets, and that includes warriors.
yesitsrob
yesitsrob
Elite Guru
#10
Faction was for PVPers to unlock things without having to play PVE. You have no PVP slots, then fine... it is useless for you, it was never realy intended for use in PVE characters... they said that from the start.

But a lot of players do have a pvp slot... and for them it is far from useless
Sofonisba
Sofonisba
Desert Nomad
#11
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Originally Posted by MarkyX
Yes but unless you have the best runes and perfect weapons, chances are that a PvP character would own you.
As far as random and team arenas, which is mostly what I do with both PvP and PvE chars, ... that has not been my experience.
Shadowspawn X
Shadowspawn X
Jungle Guide
#12
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Originally Posted by MarkyX
PvE toons is for PvE, not PvP.
To be technically correct there is no such thing as a PvE toon, when you build the toon it gives you the option of a " PvE and PvP" or a "PvP only" . That elitest pvp atitude is why tombs suck now, and btw a "PvE and PvP" toon with all skills unlocked is much more flexable and powerful than a pvp toon. The probelm is Anet has made it so hard to develop a "PvE and PvP" toon that most people just feel its easier to unlock stuff and rollup whatever, especially when they give away faction like welfare cheese.
Nefertem
Nefertem
Ascalonian Squire
#13
C'mon, faction makes it a lot easier to unlock items than just going around saying "WTB - Unidentified %s"

Unfortunately, getting groups can be a pain in the ass :/
Tactical-Dillusions
Tactical-Dillusions
Desert Nomad
#14
The faction is capped at 10k purely to stop the 24/7 faction farmers from unlocking everything immediately in chapter 2, thus having a large advantage over other players.

I'm capped but i agree that it is frustrating having no reward in the meantime. I guess however it is supposed to be fun...but then i have never pvp'd for fun, only for the last few elusive rune unlocks.
Kool Pajamas
Kool Pajamas
Forge Runner
#15
Easy....just delete a pve character.
muelon
muelon
Ascalonian Squire
#16
To Shadowspawn X, thank you for your very incitefull comments on this thread.
To Dragon, get in touch with me in the areanas. I will give u lots of bow upgrades for free. Lets kick some pvp butt.

To the rest of you, when u enter the areana, it doesnt matter if you have a pvp or pve toon, its all about skill level.

But lets get back on thread, or my intended thread.

Anet hear my plea:

Give me something to spend my faction on.
I want a /screamingbanshee emote at 100,000 faction, etc.
QuixotesGhost
QuixotesGhost
Krytan Explorer
#17
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Yes but unless you have the best runes and perfect weapons, chances are that a PvP character would own you.
Collector items ain't exactly difficult to get.
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Loviatar
Underworld Spelunker
#18
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Originally Posted by muelon
Anet hear my plea:

Give me something to spend my faction on.
I want a /screamingbanshee emote at 100,000 faction, etc.
pvp and get a pvp rank show off thingie.

if you want 15k armor or a PVE show off thingie you cant use PVP money (faction) to get it.

maybe delete a pve toon for a pvp one?
Hanuman li Tosh
Hanuman li Tosh
Lion's Arch Merchant
#19
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Originally Posted by muelon
OK Guys heres my gripe,

I am a PVE player that has run out of things to do in PVE.
Now I PVP all the time.
My Faction Points are way over 50,000 (spend it when i max it).
What do I spend it on?????
Well, pvp stuff that i will never use, cause all 4 of my slots r full.

Now this is my bitch. ANet Give me an emote or something that i can show off with. My faction buy me nothing.

People that farm for fame at least get something to show off with.
I got nothing.
look, this game has pvp and pve. you made a CHOICE to ONLY pve. now you get ONLY pve rewards, so deal with it.
Gwenhywar
Gwenhywar
Lion's Arch Merchant
#20
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Originally Posted by dargon
heh, I don't have the best items, hell, my typical bow only has 1 upgrade on it and I still take down about 75% of my targets, and that includes warriors.
You may have heard that there exist other forms of PvP than just random arenas where anything goes. I'm talking about high-end organized 8v8 team PvP where highly skilled teams battle, and, yes, every tiny bit that your weapon is worse than the opponents can contribute to your loss because you are not against a 10 year old WaMo who just picked up the game from the shop, but against another skilled player.

I really don't see a problem. If someone wants to just PvE, they can do so ... if someone wants to just PvP, they can do so (well, not really, since there are practically no ways to get money in PvP except holding halls for hours which is not for everyone, and sigils are cheaptastic now anyway) ... GW has an awesome system of being able to unlock skills etc via either of them.

If you want to do both, either free a slot for PvP character (many of my guildies have deleted a character they liked less to have a PvP slot for GvGs, and they are enjoying their new freedom alot! Or get enough cash to fully equip your PvE toons with the perfect weapons, all elites for all classes (to make them versatile), etc.

You have lots of choices.