OK Guys heres my gripe,
I am a PVE player that has run out of things to do in PVE.
Now I PVP all the time.
My Faction Points are way over 50,000 (spend it when i max it).
What do I spend it on?????
Well, pvp stuff that i will never use, cause all 4 of my slots r full.
Now this is my bitch. ANet Give me an emote or something that i can show off with. My faction buy me nothing.
People that farm for fame at least get something to show off with.
I got nothing.
Faction = Garbage
muelon
Ollj
after everything is unlocked your faction freezes at 10.000 .
old topic.
you should get something untradeable single use item buyable in faction only.
old topic.
you should get something untradeable single use item buyable in faction only.
Sofonisba
I'm sorry to hear it.
There have been suggestion threads in Sardelac Sanitarium about alternate uses for faction for PvE.
On my first account, I, like you, never intended to PvP ever, so I had 4 PvE characters. I have since built up/spent around 30-40k faction uselessly on that account.
I did buy a second account and actually left a PvP slot open! I love faction now (still a baby, though, at around 60k). Too bad you can't trade faction between accounts.
There have been suggestion threads in Sardelac Sanitarium about alternate uses for faction for PvE.
On my first account, I, like you, never intended to PvP ever, so I had 4 PvE characters. I have since built up/spent around 30-40k faction uselessly on that account.
I did buy a second account and actually left a PvP slot open! I love faction now (still a baby, though, at around 60k). Too bad you can't trade faction between accounts.
Shadowspawn X
Faction is for PvP'rs it was put there to stop their whining about having to play the game (which they reffer to as grind), and has had a very negative effect on PvE. They probelm is they give too much faction to PvP'rs for a Player Kill as opposed to XP for a PvE toon playing PvP.
If you have a PvP toon and a PvE toon on the same team in random. You get 20 faction per kill plus a 25 faction bonus for winning for a total of 105 faction per win. You also get 25 XP per player kill for a total of 100 XP per win.
After a 10 game winning streak they have 1050 faction and 1000 XP. The pvp toon is free to choose the skill of his choice at this point, because a skill unlock is a measly 1000 faction. On the other hand the 1000 XP does nothing for the PvE toon because a skill point is 15,000 XP so he is only 6.6% on his way to a skill point. As a matter of fact the PvE toon has to win 150 straight games for one skill point.
I say to heck with faction.
Anet needs to bring XP for Player Kills in line with faction.
So that people wont abanden their PvE toons when they start PvP.
If you have a PvP toon and a PvE toon on the same team in random. You get 20 faction per kill plus a 25 faction bonus for winning for a total of 105 faction per win. You also get 25 XP per player kill for a total of 100 XP per win.
After a 10 game winning streak they have 1050 faction and 1000 XP. The pvp toon is free to choose the skill of his choice at this point, because a skill unlock is a measly 1000 faction. On the other hand the 1000 XP does nothing for the PvE toon because a skill point is 15,000 XP so he is only 6.6% on his way to a skill point. As a matter of fact the PvE toon has to win 150 straight games for one skill point.
I say to heck with faction.
Anet needs to bring XP for Player Kills in line with faction.
So that people wont abanden their PvE toons when they start PvP.
MarkyX
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Sofonisba
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Originally Posted by MarkyX
PvE toons is for PvE, not PvP.
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You know that you can do the competition and team arenas, Tombs, and GvG with PvE characters, right?
MarkyX
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Originally Posted by Sofonisba
For people like the OP and myself, though, we both started out totally disinterested in PvP, and filled up our account with 4 PvE characters before getting the PvP bug.
You know that you can do the competition and team arenas, Tombs, and GvG with PvE characters, right? |
crimsonfilms
Intersting is I sometimes level up my PvP arenas. Trouble is, there is no way to spend it....
Anyways, increasing the XP bonus would make it unbalance since there will be 2 REWARDS to PvE characters vs 1 reward for PvP.
One skill point means cap sig = 1 elite. It takes 3K faction to unlock one for PvP.
I say get rid of XP all together in PvP so there is no confusion.
Anyways, increasing the XP bonus would make it unbalance since there will be 2 REWARDS to PvE characters vs 1 reward for PvP.
One skill point means cap sig = 1 elite. It takes 3K faction to unlock one for PvP.
I say get rid of XP all together in PvP so there is no confusion.
dargon
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Originally Posted by MarkyX
Yes but unless you have the best runes and perfect weapons, chances are that a PvP character would own you.
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yesitsrob
Faction was for PVPers to unlock things without having to play PVE. You have no PVP slots, then fine... it is useless for you, it was never realy intended for use in PVE characters... they said that from the start.
But a lot of players do have a pvp slot... and for them it is far from useless
But a lot of players do have a pvp slot... and for them it is far from useless
Sofonisba
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Originally Posted by MarkyX
Yes but unless you have the best runes and perfect weapons, chances are that a PvP character would own you.
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Shadowspawn X
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Originally Posted by MarkyX
PvE toons is for PvE, not PvP.
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Nefertem
C'mon, faction makes it a lot easier to unlock items than just going around saying "WTB - Unidentified %s"
Unfortunately, getting groups can be a pain in the ass :/
Unfortunately, getting groups can be a pain in the ass :/
Tactical-Dillusions
The faction is capped at 10k purely to stop the 24/7 faction farmers from unlocking everything immediately in chapter 2, thus having a large advantage over other players.
I'm capped but i agree that it is frustrating having no reward in the meantime. I guess however it is supposed to be fun...but then i have never pvp'd for fun, only for the last few elusive rune unlocks.
I'm capped but i agree that it is frustrating having no reward in the meantime. I guess however it is supposed to be fun...but then i have never pvp'd for fun, only for the last few elusive rune unlocks.
Kool Pajamas
Easy....just delete a pve character.
muelon
To Shadowspawn X, thank you for your very incitefull comments on this thread.
To Dragon, get in touch with me in the areanas. I will give u lots of bow upgrades for free. Lets kick some pvp butt.
To the rest of you, when u enter the areana, it doesnt matter if you have a pvp or pve toon, its all about skill level.
But lets get back on thread, or my intended thread.
Anet hear my plea:
Give me something to spend my faction on.
I want a /screamingbanshee emote at 100,000 faction, etc.
To Dragon, get in touch with me in the areanas. I will give u lots of bow upgrades for free. Lets kick some pvp butt.
To the rest of you, when u enter the areana, it doesnt matter if you have a pvp or pve toon, its all about skill level.
But lets get back on thread, or my intended thread.
Anet hear my plea:
Give me something to spend my faction on.
I want a /screamingbanshee emote at 100,000 faction, etc.
QuixotesGhost
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Loviatar
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Originally Posted by muelon
Anet hear my plea:
Give me something to spend my faction on. I want a /screamingbanshee emote at 100,000 faction, etc. |
if you want 15k armor or a PVE show off thingie you cant use PVP money (faction) to get it.
maybe delete a pve toon for a pvp one?
Hanuman li Tosh
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Originally Posted by muelon
OK Guys heres my gripe,
I am a PVE player that has run out of things to do in PVE. Now I PVP all the time. My Faction Points are way over 50,000 (spend it when i max it). What do I spend it on????? Well, pvp stuff that i will never use, cause all 4 of my slots r full. Now this is my bitch. ANet Give me an emote or something that i can show off with. My faction buy me nothing. People that farm for fame at least get something to show off with. I got nothing. |
Gwenhywar
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Originally Posted by dargon
heh, I don't have the best items, hell, my typical bow only has 1 upgrade on it and I still take down about 75% of my targets, and that includes warriors.
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I really don't see a problem. If someone wants to just PvE, they can do so ... if someone wants to just PvP, they can do so (well, not really, since there are practically no ways to get money in PvP except holding halls for hours which is not for everyone, and sigils are cheaptastic now anyway) ... GW has an awesome system of being able to unlock skills etc via either of them.
If you want to do both, either free a slot for PvP character (many of my guildies have deleted a character they liked less to have a PvP slot for GvGs, and they are enjoying their new freedom alot! Or get enough cash to fully equip your PvE toons with the perfect weapons, all elites for all classes (to make them versatile), etc.
You have lots of choices.
Ole Man Bourbon
I think you should really have at least 1 open PvP only toon slot. I'd drop a PvE character or get another copy of the game (what I did :P ).
master_ranger_matt
i say faction should be sellable, because i would be rich right now if i hadn't had wasted 25k or so of faction on useless runes or upgrades or skills which i have unlocked in pve.
-Loki-
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Originally Posted by Sofonisba
For people like the OP and myself, though, we both started out totally disinterested in PvP, and filled up our account with 4 PvE characters before getting the PvP bug.
You know that you can do the competition and team arenas, Tombs, and GvG with PvE characters, right? |
PieXags
The best thing to use faction on in my opinion would be if you could trade faction for money. If I could trade faction for money, I'd, you know, NOT have to spend countless hours doing shit I don't want to because I don't run a farming build. Maybe if people could spend faction for money people wouldn't BITCH so much about the new patch screwing up their 1337 skills.
imaginary friend
faction is only pointless if your a narrow minded pve character. create a pvp character... have a good time- get all the upgrades you want for certain professions
EDIT: narrow minded account with 4 pve characters
EDIT: narrow minded account with 4 pve characters
PieXags
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Originally Posted by imaginary friend
faction is only pointless if your a narrow minded pve character. create a pvp character... have a good time- get all the upgrades you want for certain professions
EDIT: narrow minded account with 4 pve characters |
Think before you flame next time, 'eh?
heist23
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Originally Posted by MarkyX
Yes but unless you have the best runes and perfect weapons, chances are that a PvP character would own you.
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in short, that statement is false.
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Originally Posted by imaginary friend
faction is only pointless if your a narrow minded pve character. create a pvp character... have a good time- get all the upgrades you want for certain professions
EDIT: narrow minded account with 4 pve characters |
well, anyway.
as for faction...
ANET: let me trade in faction for GOOOOOLD!!!!!
but then that would lead to a major price inflation, so maybe not.
oh well.
crimsonfilms
Gold is of no use for PvP char. So no - faction should not be sold for gold. There is no logic for it. Especially consider gold is not really that important. I am unsure why faction should be sellable.
Shen Xi
Sure your charcter can probably play certain things almost as good but can you really be as daptive as a pure pvp charcter?
Just using the ranger as an example, do you ahev all the diff bows to run ranger spike, or intterupt ranger or a good staff for playing a trapper or.... you get the point.
might have the druid's armour for max energy, but say you're in a build which uses greater conflag and winter, do you just ahpen to have a spare set fo frostbound armour lying around?
do you have an approiate mask with all the diff sup ranger runes so you cna ahve your stats set optimally?
i could go on with mroe examples but i won't. in general pve charcters are fine for a set particular role but aren't anywhere near flexible enough for a lot fo things.
Just using the ranger as an example, do you ahev all the diff bows to run ranger spike, or intterupt ranger or a good staff for playing a trapper or.... you get the point.
might have the druid's armour for max energy, but say you're in a build which uses greater conflag and winter, do you just ahpen to have a spare set fo frostbound armour lying around?
do you have an approiate mask with all the diff sup ranger runes so you cna ahve your stats set optimally?
i could go on with mroe examples but i won't. in general pve charcters are fine for a set particular role but aren't anywhere near flexible enough for a lot fo things.
Navaros
You should be able to trade/sell Faction for gold if you want to. It's your Faction, you should have a choice on how to use it. And you should also be able to use it for something after you have everything already unlocked.
If everything is unlocked, then Faction is indeed garbage.
Making it tradeable for gold would fix this problem.
If everything is unlocked, then Faction is indeed garbage.
Making it tradeable for gold would fix this problem.
Whosaidwhatnow
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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X
Faction is for PvP'rs it was put there to stop their whining about having to play the game (which they reffer to as grind), and has had a very negative effect on PvE. They probelm is they give too much faction to PvP'rs for a Player Kill as opposed to XP for a PvE toon playing PvP.
If you have a PvP toon and a PvE toon on the same team in random. You get 20 faction per kill plus a 25 faction bonus for winning for a total of 105 faction per win. You also get 25 XP per player kill for a total of 100 XP per win. After a 10 game winning streak they have 1050 faction and 1000 XP. The pvp toon is free to choose the skill of his choice at this point, because a skill unlock is a measly 1000 faction. On the other hand the 1000 XP does nothing for the PvE toon because a skill point is 15,000 XP so he is only 6.6% on his way to a skill point. As a matter of fact the PvE toon has to win 150 straight games for one skill point. I say to heck with faction. Anet needs to bring XP for Player Kills in line with faction. So that people wont abanden their PvE toons when they start PvP. |
Edit: on second thought, the XP they get does them no good whatsoever, unless they want to show their numbers off to someone... skill points are useless if you can't get to a town and buy skills. All they get is faction... if you play a PvE char in PvP you get to reap both benefits, so the system favors PvE chars over PvP ones.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Navaros
You should be able to trade/sell Faction for gold if you want to. It's your Faction, you should have a choice on how to use it. And you should also be able to use it for something after you have everything already unlocked.
If everything is unlocked, then Faction is indeed garbage. Making it tradeable for gold would fix this problem. |
NOfaction was put in very specifically as an ALTERNATIVE method to get skills,upgrades,top stat everything much faster than PVE and most specifically to avoid having to *GRIND IN PVE WHICH WE DONT WANT TO DO*
they gave you your avoid PVE at all costs method and you will not be able to use your PVP only faction for any PVE function including gold
when you have unlocked everything in PVP faction has done exactly what it was meant to do and now it is of no further use to you.
GO OUT AND ENJOY THE REWARDS OF UAS/UAU/UAEVERYTHING AND PVP YOUR BRAINS OUT FOR FUN
Navaros
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NOfaction was put in very specifically as an ALTERNATIVE method to get skills |
It is by the same token that they forgot to give a useful purpose to Faction for people who have everything unlocked. They put the idea of Faction in as "quickfix" before it occurred to them that a final use for it in the endgame does not exist.
Now that Faction has been in place for a while and plenty of time has passed for the devs to have seen the improvements that can and should be made to Faction idea, there is no reason for them not to implement those improvements.
FireFox
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Originally Posted by Shen Xi
Sure your charcter can probably play certain things almost as good but can you really be as daptive as a pure pvp charcter?
Just using the ranger as an example, do you ahev all the diff bows to run ranger spike, or intterupt ranger or a good staff for playing a trapper or.... you get the point. might have the druid's armour for max energy, but say you're in a build which uses greater conflag and winter, do you just ahpen to have a spare set fo frostbound armour lying around? do you have an approiate mask with all the diff sup ranger runes so you cna ahve your stats set optimally? i could go on with mroe examples but i won't. in general pve charcters are fine for a set particular role but aren't anywhere near flexible enough for a lot fo things. |
BurningPants
The best idea that has been suggested so far was that faction should unlock non-combat related bonuses, like emotes, or items(like the halloween items) or hairstyles or all those other things you want to customize on your PvE character. Gives a PvE player more incentive to PvP and maybe develop an interest for it.
Loviatar
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Now that Faction has been in place for a while and plenty of time has passed for the devs to have seen the improvements that can and should be made to Faction idea, there is no reason for them not to implement those improvements. |
the pvp players expressed themselves loudly and emphatically that they wanted nothing to do with pve and demanded a non pve method of unlocking everything.
they got it and i do not see Anet letting pvp faction go for something the pvp players didnt want
special non pvp items get them the pve way.
Shen Xi
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Originally Posted by FireFox
Actualy, pve characters are better for these reasons, weapons from pve can be more specialised (Yakslapper). and if you do have all the armors / runes theres no need to remake every time.
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and i highly doubt someone would ahve all the runes and armour needed for every class they want to play. although that is easy enough for a monk or nuker i guess.
who honestly though is gonna have all the diff armours and runes? not a lot is the answer.
Navaros
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Originally Posted by Loviatar
faction has and is serving the pvp role it was intended for.
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But my point is that since the Faction idea is not as good as it could & should be, "the role it was intended for" needs to become modified so that Faction has more uses.
Especially since Faction is the only point for GVGing or doing Comp/Team Arenas; so if you have everything unlocked and/or have nothing you want to unlock, playing in those areas is pointless.
Draygo Korvan
When Anet lets me use skill points I earn on PvP characters then you can use faction to get stuff for PvE characters.
myword
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Originally Posted by FireFox
Actualy, pve characters are better for these reasons, weapons from pve can be more specialised (Yakslapper). and if you do have all the armors / runes theres no need to remake every time.
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and i'd like to be able to do more with faction! buy non-tradeable dyes for my own PvP character maybe! i already have UAS'd so my faction gained is just going to waste
to whoever who said otherwise, PvP weapons that come with a PvP character are automatically customized for them