Open letter to anet

mioga

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2005

Clan Of The Elite Dragon

W/Mo

Every other mmo online has farming. Why would you mess it up? I have seen allot of people already a few hours after the update saying that they are going to go to wow or a diff mmo. I can see how you guys would want to make the money balanced, but now people are going to look for alternative ways to get money for the "high end" equipment i.e. eBay. I just don't understand why you would mess it up. So many people are probably going to leave because that was the only thing they liked to do. I myself am one of them. I used to play wow, Diablo, and Diablo II. I quit those games because I got tired of fighting monsters over and over and still never getting anything good. That was the appeal of this game. The build to farm was easy and after doing it enough I got the hang of it. This
is how I was able to start a guild and afford to make decent char to play. I may play this game for a while more but then after I get bored with it I will probably go back to a different game. It makes me sad I have spent so many hours playing this game and enjoyed every minute of it. And now it seems that it was all just time wasted getting enough money to buy equipment and runes. Now it is just going to go to waste because I won't be able to use it. I am not sure if I will even attempt the second chapter of this game because of all of this. I don't make enough money in real life to waste on eBay buying gold so I can buy weapon upgrades and fissure armor or even armor from grotto or citadel. I guess you do have hopes that it will drive prices for things down but it is still
going to be much more then the average player will be able to afford. As I have said at the begging of this letter every mmo has farming. Why go and mess up something that doesn’t even need messed with?
Jeremy

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

you join and make one cut/paste post on every site

go away troll

mioga

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2005

Clan Of The Elite Dragon

W/Mo

just doing what anet told me to do when i sent the letter to them

Sol_Vie

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

Farming is boring. Figure out a new way. My warrior can still do it without using AoE. He never did and never will. Figure out a new way.

*agrees with Loviatar*

Shadowspawn X

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

Please stop crying. Find another way to farm, try doing the quests for a change.
Also, nobodys going anywhere these whiners never got more value in any other game in their lives. Not only will they be back for chapter 2, but they wil be back for chapter 1 tonight or tomorrow as soon as they get off work/school or home from the bar/party tonight. These guys arn't going anywhere.

Tactical-Dillusions

Tactical-Dillusions

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Grimsby, UK

R/

Good job Mioga.

I think these are the answers you are looking for....

Buffed AI to stamp out the majority of botters who largely use AoE to farm insane amounts of gold.

Made rangers, mesmers, necro's and "other elements" jump inside the box...since people are incapable of thinking outside of it.

Now most players are on an equal footing since AoE is as good as dead.

Sol_Vie

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

AoE is hardly dead. Just find new ways to implement it.

GW_1337

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

California; USA

Village Retards

W/

Trappers just went down the porciline ficture... is Anet anti rangers or something? seems like every update nerfs them or affects them somehow... even when targeted at another class... R/N used to be a good build... now I cannot kill anything... Yes i have tried changing secondary but with the skill cost increase it is a waste of my money to pay 1k a skill when i could build a new character and get them all from quests.
Another thing is after I have all my skills for my lvl 20 char xp just became completley useless... my primary character has almost 900k xp... what am I going to do with all of that?

streetboy

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol_Vie
Farming is boring. Figure out a new way. My warrior can still do it without using AoE. He never did and never will. Figure out a new way.

*agrees with Loviatar*
A good player will never frustrated by changes, they are adapted changes quickly, but think about average game player, they enjoy what they do even if you think it is a boring activity. If ANet think this game is meant for PRO player, then they should add monthly fee to it. If ANet think this game meant for wide range of players, they need to ensure both PRO and Average player are happy to play.

Sol_Vie

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

Ok, but my point still stands even removing the "Farming is boring" bit. Even the average player has the ability to think.

Yamat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

San Diego, USA

Please just delete this thread.

Hanuman li Tosh

Hanuman li Tosh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

garden of the gods, CO

Over Powered

N/

why play a game with terrible ai? whats the point? they made tha ai more realistic and everybody is complaining. heres my open letter to anet:

Kudos!

streetboy

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol_Vie
Ok, but my point still stands even removing the "Farming is boring" bit. Even the average player has the ability to think.
Sorry that I quoted your post, didn't really meant to against your statement for "Farming is boring". I just want ANet to think their game direction, it seems changing a bit compare to what it started with in my opinion.

Edgam20

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2005

Clan of the Elite Dragon

W/Mo

Only reason people say farming is boring, and it's good that they took that away, is because they could never get drops, nor money, and they are newbs and don't know how to play real rpgs games, farming is a part of games and life, get over it :l

mioga

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2005

Clan Of The Elite Dragon

W/Mo

Why delete this thread? anet told me to post this. Hello Jeremy,

Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Support about this.
Discussion Thread
Response (GM Mevrick) 11/10/2005 10:47 PM
Hello Jeremy,

Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Support about this.

We encourage you to consider posting your suggestions on one of many of the Guild Wars Fansite message boards. A compiled list can be found on the official Guild Wars website at http://guildwars.com/community/default.html. By posting on one of these message boards, other players can comment on your ideas, concerns, and suggestions, and Development Team members are able to catch up on what the community wants to see in Guild Wars. Fansite forums make it easy and efficient for us to learn from those playing the game.

Thank you for your efforts in assisting us to create the best gaming experience possible.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team

streetboy

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh
why play a game with terrible ai? whats the point? they made tha ai more realistic and everybody is complaining. heres my open letter to anet:

Kudos!
Sure, like I said, play PVP against real people instead.

Sol_Vie

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgam20
Only reason people say farming is boring, and it's good that they took that away, is because they could never get drops, nor money, and they are newbs and don't know how to play real rpgs games, farming is a part of games and life, get over it :l
Erm I farm. I get good drops. But farming isn't the entire game. And in case you weren't here for the plenty of other patches, farming will always find a way around supposed nerfs. People already have non AoE ideas. Farming is still possible man. =\

And streetboy? Np ^_^

Edgam20

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2005

Clan of the Elite Dragon

W/Mo

Farming is slower and annoying, and playing a ele is impossible, how is it that they are gonna run away from you when they attack, for god sake it's a war and they are running away... never knew we were fighthing cowards, and about farming, MMO's always have a way to farm, now that they changed it stuff is gonna be expensive and then u guys will start crying, gG? no rm..

Order Of Thy Sword

Order Of Thy Sword

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

C/O of Savages of Undying Legend

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamat
Please just delete this thread.
That is one of the main problems afflicting this website, people who are WAY TO FAST on the "delete-lock-close" buttons.

This (for the most part) is America, where we are free to discuss what we want.

Sol_Vie

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgam20
Farming is slower and annoying, and playing a ele is impossible, how is it that they are gonna run away from you when they attack, for god sake it's a war and they are running away... never knew we were fighthing cowards, and about farming, MMO's always have a way to farm, now that they changed it stuff is gonna be expensive and then u guys will start crying, gG? no rm..
So if you're playing your elementalist and some Ice Fiend outside Drok's/Ice Caves casts Maelstrom on you you're just going to stand there and take it? Come on now, you'd move! Especially because maelstrom interrupts! Now why would we think that these monsters that we face would be any different? One of the main goals in life is to seek pleasure and avoid pain. By moving, they're avoiding pain. It makes sense what they're doing...:

Zaklex

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

San Jose, CA, USA

Remnants of Ascalon

Guild Wars is not an MMO, period, never has been, never will be, it is and will always be a C(COMPETITIVE)On-line[semi]RPG.

Zexion

Zexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Warrior Nation [WN]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol_Vie
So if you're playing your elementalist and some Ice Fiend outside Drok's/Ice Caves casts Maelstrom on you you're just going to stand there and take it? Come on now, you'd move! Especially because maelstrom interrupts! Now why would we think that these monsters that we face would be any different? One of the main goals in life is to seek pleasure and avoid pain. By moving, they're avoiding pain. It makes sense what they're doing...:
If someone cast Fireball or Rodgort's Invocation on you, are you gonna turn around and run?
I sure hope the answer is no, else you're stupider than I expected.
And you know what? The AI as it is now does that!
THIS is why the new update sucks.
So stop the "make a better build" whining. I have made a list for my clan about skills affected by this, and it is HUGE! Nearing 50-70 skills. And only a small fraction of them is DoT (damage over time, skills like firestorm and symbol of wrath) skills.
So stop saying the new AI is good.

_Zexion

streetboy

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol_Vie
...

By moving, they're avoiding pain. It makes sense what they're doing...:
sure, they can move, but they are moving too far, which aggro second group and third one, that is not acceptable. They need to have a pattern for what monster reacting to AOE, not so random, that is acceptable behavior. Now the AOE become monster repellent spell

Like I said, there are two type of players in GW, PRO and AVERAGE, most of PRO are already in PVP, AVERAGE are in PVE. My guild started with PVP, but more PVE players joined after summer, most of them don't even know how to interrupt (actively) monsters, only know maelstrom (passive) will interrupt their spell. I have seen the reactions from those players, and they logoff the game quickly last night.

Why does ANet kill it's own customer base? which still make me confused

Mr D J

Mr D J

Permanently Unbanned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol_Vie
Farming is boring. Figure out a new way. My warrior can still do it without using AoE. He never did and never will. Figure out a new way.

*agrees with Loviatar*
well i agree my warrior can do it without aoe and i can solo griffs no problem
but can ur warrior kill aatxes without aoe?? they have 1.4k hp and regen...

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by mioga
It makes me sad I have spent so many hours playing this game and enjoyed every minute of it. And now it seems that it was all just time wasted getting enough money to buy equipment and runes. Now it is just going to go to waste because I won't be able to use it. I am not sure if I will even attempt the second chapter of this game because of all of this.
right here is why i am both totally pissed and also pity you.

you had i lot of fun for a very long time but now all that previous fun has somehow been taken?

if you had a lot of fun say i had a lot of fun and now i will try something else.

dont go i had a really good time but all my fun was a waste of time.

Hanuman li Tosh

Hanuman li Tosh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

garden of the gods, CO

Over Powered

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaklex
Guild Wars is not an MMO, period, never has been, never will be, it is and will always be a C(COMPETITIVE)On-line[semi]RPG.
debating somantics is stupid. it an mmo by definition of MMO, but anet also classified it as a corpg.

Quote:
Sure, like I said, play PVP against real people instead.
no, people have the right to choose one or the other or both. if they ruined pvp i would understand but all they did was make it more realistic.

honestly, i have seen people not move out of the aoe many many times. i think that pretty much says a lot about ai vs actual intelligence.

streetboy

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
right here is why i am both totally pissed and also pity you.

you had i lot of fun for a very long time but now all that previous fun has somehow been taken?

if you had a lot of fun say i had a lot of fun and now i will try something else.

dont go i had a really good time but all my fun was a waste of time.
seems to me, you are a very logical person, but don't go too far with word by word. People plays game for fun, period.

Yamat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

San Diego, USA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Order Of Thy Sword
That is one of the main problems afflicting this website, people who are WAY TO FAST on the "delete-lock-close" buttons.

This (for the most part) is America, where we are free to discuss what we want.
Why delete this thread? Because we already have multiple threads discussing the same thing... we don't need more.

Victory Gaint

Victory Gaint

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

in a box

Archs of Cursed Blood [War]

R/W

Yes but anet wanted to decrease profits from their game.

streetboy

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh
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honestly, i have seen people not move out of the aoe many many times. i think that pretty much says a lot about ai vs actual intelligence.
Yes, those are called average players we facing in the game, they don't know much of what other profession can do, they just do what they are good at for couple of hours everyday. I don't think that it is good to alienate their enjoyment from this game. If you think that AI or monster is not smart, will you like to be ambushed? and remove the radar completely to satisfy your realistic? Is this still callled RPG game or RTS game?

Pandora's box

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

Opp: I understand your frustration and I agree that the pve section of this game is very poor. Basicly all encounters are the same: group of monsters with some fighters, a healer and a mesmer/necro to dispell, counter or drain. No flying dragons around, hordes of ghouls, fire elementals and so on. Its like the game engine cant handle sophisticated actions, so everything is a poorly worked oud duplication of a basic action with only some extra power added. No wonder that clever builds can easily slay the game engine. Causing a never ending downwards spiral of attemps to make things more difficult by exploiting the little recources the game engine offers.

Nevertheless there lies some challenge in trying to keep slaying the nerfing system. I adapted a slower build of farming long ago, and it stills serves me, even after this change
As for the expansion, I think many people out of the million who bought the original game will give it a try if its not too expensive. That means Arenanet can afford it to follow its own direction. Maybe that's a shame because players can't slamb their fist on the table and demand things. Anyway, even I still play lod these days as every new update there adds some new items, so allways keep in mind that there are other games too... But as for me: its ok if people keep trying to improve pve, even if it implies giving negative reactions

828168

828168

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Victory Gaint
Yes but anet wanted to decrease profits from their game.
Anet got all the bulk of the profits from their game already. They probably tired of those exploiting their game for profit on fleabay by selling gold and items.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

We don't need another complaint thread. Closed.